Muslim Hero who saved the lives of many during the hostage situation in France.

[Cigar]

http://cubiclane.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Lassana-Bathily-620x330.jpg

Charlie Hebdo: Lassana Bathily, the hero who saved the lives of many.
His name Lassana Bathily and he is a hero. Tributes have been flooding social networking for his heroic act during the hostage situation in France.

Lassana Bathily is Malian and Muslim. Friday, at a time when Amedy Coulibaly enters the grocery store in Porte de Vincennes, he was there, working like every day.

In the panic, many customers of the store were looking for a place to hide. They rushed to the basement of the store. The employee opened the freezer to let them in.

“When they ran down, I opened the freezer door. Several people got in with me. I turned off the light, I turned off the freezer. After I turned off the cold room, I closed the door, I said, you stay calm there, I’m going out.”


A move that saved their lives.


Amedy Coulibaly killed four other hostages: Yoav Hattab, Philip Braham, Yohan Cohen, François-Michel Saada.

http://cubiclane.com/2015/01/10/charlie-hebdo-lassana-bathily-hero-saved-lives-many-81243

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eO8o9_rI154/Tw4x1NQg0EI/AAAAAAAAAnk/QeUJsEsqgMg/s1600/gus-psyche-popcorn.gif

[Peter1469]

She has been mentioned in several posts. And one of the police officers that was killed (the one on the video) was a Muslim. His mother was part of the funeral parade. Up front I believe.

[Cigar]

http://assets.amuniversal.com/581425907db60132bdff005056a9545d.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

I'm beginning to believe that diversity is an unattainable failure, that we would be better off completely segregated.

So all Muslims - you stay in this part of the world. Don't let anyone else in there, just you all stay there and do your thing. Black people over here, we'll give you lots of hoodies and Escalades so you'll be happy. French people, stay there. Everyone else leave - Jews to Israel, Muslims to the desert. Hispanics get all of South America. White people North America.

All the "undecided" go to Australia.

I think we need to understand our collective limitations and that collectively we're really not that smart of a society.

[Mac-7]

http://assets.amuniversal.com/581425907db60132bdff005056a9545d.jpg

Of course if there were no Muslims in France 16 people would still be alive.

[protectionist]

This thread is another feeble attempt to glorify, or at least excuse Islam, for it's uncivilized, barbaric, savagery. Falls short. No matter how you turn it, Islam is what it has been for 1400 years. A conjob ideology, masquerading as a religion, which pushes war and hatred/intolerence of everything non-Muslim, while pretending to be a "a religion of peace and love".

As for the "religion" description, most people around the world do not consider Islam to be a religion. This includes some entire nations. One of these is Italy. They are not scammed. Italy refuses to accept Islam as a religion, and does not grant it religious tax status.

[protectionist]

Of course if there were no Muslims in France 16 people would still be alive.

17 people. 12 at Charlie Hebdo. 4 at the grocery store. And the policewoman.

[The Sage of Main Street]

This thread is another feeble attempt to glorify, or at least excuse Islam, for it's uncivilized, barbaric, savagery. Falls short. No matter how you turn it, Islam is what it has been for 1400 years. A conjob ideology, masquerading as a religion, which pushes war and hatred/intolerence of everything non-Muslim, while pretending to be a "a religion of peace and love".

As for the "religion" description, most people around the world do not consider Islam to be a religion. This includes some entire nations. Islam is not a religion. It is a criminal enterprise.

[Common Sense]

Islam is not a religion. It is a criminal enterprise.

If that's true then it's true for all religions.

Islam is as much a religion as Christianity and Judaism. I mean they all worship the same god.

[Codename Section]

If that's true then it's true for all religions.

Islam is as much a religion as Christianity and Judaism. I mean they all worship the same god.

Technically "no". Jesus is God to Christians. God with a big "G" and he is worshipped, hence all the crosses, statues, and praying and shit.

Muslims don't pray to Jesus and wouldn't. He is a prophet with no "g".

[protectionist]

If that's true then it's true for all religions.

Islam is as much a religion as Christianity and Judaism. I mean they all worship the same god.

That is absolute nonsense. One common thread of religions is a code of ethics. Islam is a code on NON-ethics, its Koran riddled with immoral advocacies (if not commands). The SCAM of Islam being a religion stems from the 7th century when Mohammed used it as a means to insualate him and his arm from severe criticism. The only reason why this scam even survived so long is because marauding Muslims enforced it with mass murder. The notion of Islam being a religion is preposterous. It's about equivalent to calling a drug cartel, a baseball team.

[Common Sense]

Technically "no". Jesus is God to Christians. God with a big "G" and he is worshipped, hence all the crosses, statues, and praying and $#@!.

Muslims don't pray to Jesus and wouldn't. He is a prophet with no "g".

Technically they all worship God who was revealed to man by Abraham.

[Common Sense]

That is absolute nonsense. One common thread of religions is a code of ethics. Islam is a code on NON-ethics, its Koran riddled with immoral advocacies (if not commands). The SCAM of Islam being a religion stems from the 7th century when Mohammed used it as a means to insualate him and his arm from severe criticism. The notion of Islam being a religion is preposterous. It's about equivalent to calling a drug cartel, a baseball team.

So you don't know anything about Islam.

Hey I'm not a fan of it or any other religion. But I'm aware of the tenants of all three. They are actually all very similar.

[protectionist]

Technically they all worship God who was revealed to man by Abraham.

That doesn't make Islam a religion. In Islam, "God" is used as a protection from criticism, but don't feel bad. You have lots of company in the number of people who also have been suckered.

[Common Sense]

That doesn't make Islam a religion.

Ummm, technically it actually does.

[protectionist]

So you don't know anything about Islam.

Hey I'm not a fan of it or any other religion. But I'm aware of the tenants of all three. They are actually all very similar.

I know more about Islam in my little finger, than you know in your whole body. Want to go one on one ? > Bring it on.

[protectionist]

Ummm, technically it actually does.

Ummm, no it doesn't. Your problem is you don't know what religions are. Once you get that fixed, you can proceed in this thread.

[Green Arrow]

A religion is an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules to worship a god or gods. Islam qualifies.

[Common Sense]

Ummm, no it doesn't. Your problem is you don't know what religions are. Once you get that fixed, you can proceed in this thread.

Religion is the belief in and worship of a God or gods. Is it not?

[Common Sense]

I know more about Islam in my little finger, than you know in your whole body. Want to go one on one ? > Bring it on.

Clearly you don't.

[protectionist]

A religion is an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules to worship a god or gods. Islam qualifies.

It doesn't not contain a system of ethics. It does NOT qualify. Worse yet, it contains a very elaborate system of UNethics. Islam is about as NON-religious as it gets. Chalk up another sucker. Going on vacation ? Go to Italy. You might learn something.

[protectionist]

Religion is the belief in and worship of a God or gods. Is it not?

That's PART of it. You read my posts. No need to ask silly questions.

[Green Arrow]

It doesn't not contain a system of ethics. It does NOT qualify. Worse yet, it contains a very elaborate system of UNethics. Islam is about as NON-religious as it gets. Chalk up another sucker. Going on vacation ? Go to Italy. You might learn something.

Ethics are irrelevant, but yes, Islam has a code of ethics.

[protectionist]

Clearly you don't.
Only in your UNclear lack of vision.

[Common Sense]

It doesn't not contain a system of ethics. It does NOT qualify. Worse yet, it contains a very elaborate system of UNethics. Islam is about as NON-religious as it gets. Chalk up another sucker. Going on vacation ? Go to Italy. You might learn something.

Yeah thanks, I've been to Italy a few times. Nice country.

Of course they have a code of ethics. In fact their ethics are pretty conservative. They are against abortion, against theft, adultery, murder etc...

[protectionist]

Ethics are irrelevant, but yes, Islam has a code of ethics.

Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th edition. Religion- a system of beliefs and worship, with a code of ethics. (my emphasis)

You call this ethics ? >> (mass genocide, rape, severe discrimination against women, wife-beating, pedophilia, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty (Eid-al Adha), killing of gays & apostates. etc)

Maybe you call this ethics. I don't.

[Mr. Right]

We don't worship the same god. The god I worship would cry at the behaviour displayed by muslims. My god doesn't look at non-Chrisitans as anything other than "un-saved" potentials. My god doesn't promote the murder of those with differing religious views. My god frowns upon mistreatment of any people, especially girls and women. In Islam, women are cattle.

Islam is a cult of conquest and the Muslims are currently in conquest mode. Anyone thinking that muzzies moving to foreign lands like England, France, Sweden, etc. are just moving there for a better place to live are sadly mistaken. They wanna take over. Get used to it.

[Common Sense]

Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th edition. Religion- a system of beliefs and worship, with a code of ethics. (my emphasis)

You call this ethics ? >> (mass genocide, rape, severe discrimination against women, wife-beating, pedophilia, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty (Eid-al Adha), killing of gays & apostates. etc) Maybe you call this ethics. I don't.

So Christians have never done all of the above.

Their religion doesn't allow for what terrorists and other insane muslims do...every religion has been and will be bastardized.

If you read the texts, they aren't much different than Christianity. Jesus even makes an appearance in the quran.

[protectionist]

Yeah thanks, I've been to Italy a few times. Nice country.

Of course they have a code of ethics. In fact their ethics are pretty conservative. They are against abortion, against theft, adultery, murder etc...

Missed my point ? Italy does not accept Islam to be a religion. The religious tax status that they grant to real religions is denied to Islam. In Italy, Islam is NOT A RELIGION.


http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2 (http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/05/uncategorized/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2)

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

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Islam and the Definition of Religion (http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/islam-and-the-definition-of-religion.html)

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum (http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/100100/sec_id/100100)

Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/08/14/former-muslim-wafa-sultan-says-islam-is-not-a-religion/)

?Allah is Dead ? Why Islam is Not a Religion? | Logan's Warning (http://loganswarning.com/2011/02/19/%E2%80%9Callah-is-dead-%E2%80%93-why-islam-is-not-a-religion%E2%80%9D/)

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International (http://beforeitsnews.com/international/2013/02/islam-is-not-a-religion-but-a-dangerous-ideology-2451630.html)

Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame (http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2010/07/28/islam-not-a-religion/)

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights (http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/islam-is-not-a-religion-nor-is-it-a-cult-it-is-a-complete-system/)

Half Sigma: Islam not a religion? (http://www.halfsigma.com/2011/01/islam-not-a-religion.html)

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy)

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Comments_from_Former_Muslims)

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion (http://thepatriotfactor.blogspot.com/p/islkam-is-not-religion.html)

Why Islam Should NOT Be Protected Under the US Constitution! | CatchKevin.com (http://catchkevin.com/islam-not-protected/)

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb (http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina21228.htm)

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status.html)

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion (http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/islam-is-not-religion.html)

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult (http://www.knightscrusaders.com/Knights_Crusaders/The_Islamic_Honor_Killings_In_America.html)

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Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FH10Aa01.html)

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Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles (http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/25412-Islam-is-not-a-religion-but-a-death-cult-of-misogynistic-pedophiles)

[Green Arrow]

Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th edition. Religion- a system of beliefs and worship, with a code of ethics. (my emphasis)

You call this ethics ? >> (mass genocide, rape, severe discrimination against women, wife-beating, pedophilia, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty (Eid-al Adha), killing of gays & apostates. etc)

Maybe you call this ethics. I don't.

Nope, but there are actual ethics modeled after the Ten Commandments in there. Giving to the poor, respecting parents, don't be miserly or wasteful with your expenditures, "mercy killing" is a great sin, adultery is evil, do not kill except for just cause, keep your promises, care for orphaned children, be honest and fair, don't be arrogant.

[protectionist]

We don't worship the same god. The god I worship would cry at the behaviour displayed by muslims. My god doesn't look at non-Chrisitans as anything other than "un-saved" potentials. My god doesn't promote the murder of those with differing religious views. My god frowns upon mistreatment of any people, especially girls and women. In Islam, women are cattle.

Islam is a cult of conquest and the Muslims are currently in conquest mode. Anyone thinking that muzzies moving to foreign lands like England, France, Sweden, etc. are just moving there for a better place to live are sadly mistaken. They wanna take over. Get used to it.

This post lives up to your display name. Good post!

[texan]

I have been buying a lot of Croissants and French Wine lately, can I be considered a hero too?

[protectionist]

So Christians have never done all of the above.

Their religion doesn't allow for what terrorists and other insane muslims do...every religion has been and will be $#@!ized.

If you read the texts, they aren't much different than Christianity. Jesus even makes an appearance in the quran.

HA HA HA. "If I read the texts" ? I have been reading them since 1959. And I've read the Koran in 18 different translations. Most recently Pickthall, Arberry, Shakir, Dawood & even the CAIR-endorsed sanitized for western readers Ali version. Guess how many times I have been approached with the utterly asinine attempt to equivaocate Christianity with Islam ? Try HUNDREDS. Every time, I laugh at it. Anyone who makes the ludicrous statement you just made, knows nothing of the difference between Christianity and Islam. They are as different as night and day. Show where in the New Testament are the atrocities I mentioned in Post # 26, all of which are in the Koran.

Ho hum. Same old Islamapologist empty, ludicrous talking point, I've heard for years. Yawn ****

PS- NO, Jesus does NOT "make an appearance in the quran" He was put there by Muslims long after he died. Jesus would not be soiled by putting himself in the filthy, satanic book of hatred.

[Howey]

We don't worship the same god. The god I worship would cry at the behaviour displayed by muslims. My god doesn't look at non-Chrisitans as anything other than "un-saved" potentials. My god doesn't promote the murder of those with differing religious views. My god frowns upon mistreatment of any people, especially girls and women. In Islam, women are cattle.

Islam is a cult of conquest and the Muslims are currently in conquest mode. Anyone thinking that muzzies moving to foreign lands like England, France, Sweden, etc. are just moving there for a better place to live are sadly mistaken. They wanna take over. Get used to it.

How about gheys?

[protectionist]

Nope, but there are actual ethics modeled after the Ten Commandments in there. Giving to the poor, respecting parents, don't be miserly or wasteful with your expenditures, "mercy killing" is a great sin, adultery is evil, do not kill except for just cause, keep your promises, care for orphaned children, be honest and fair, don't be arrogant.

The point is the UNethics. Religions don't have them. Immoral, criminal ideologies masquerading as religions do. It's notable that the Koran commands I mentioned in post # 26 are all ILLEGAL (under US law), in addition to immoral, as is Islam itself, by virtue of the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2) + 2 US Codes (2384 & 2385)

[Redrose]

I have been buying a lot of Croissants and French Wine lately, can I be considered a hero too?


Turkey breast on a croissant with a glass of Pouilly Fuisse is fantastic. :smiley:

[Howey]

This thread is another feeble attempt to glorify, or at least excuse Islam, for it's uncivilized, barbaric, savagery. Falls short. No matter how you turn it, Islam is what it has been for 1400 years. A conjob ideology, masquerading as a religion, which pushes war and hatred/intolerence of everything non-Muslim, while pretending to be a "a religion of peace and love".

As for the "religion" description, most people around the world do not consider Islam to be a religion. This includes some entire nations. One of these is Italy. They are not scammed. Italy refuses to accept Islam as a religion, and does not grant it religious tax status.

Of course not! And keep the money away from the Father O'Diddles of Italy!

http://pamelageller.com/2010/08/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status.html/

**lol at Pam Geller**

Now, protectionist. Can we have a list of countries that don't allow Islam? Other than, of course, Italy.

While you're at it, can you give us a list of Muslim countries that don't allow other religions?

[protectionist]

Of course not! And keep the money away from the Father O'Diddles of Italy!

http://pamelageller.com/2010/08/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status.html/

**lol at Pam Geller**

Now, @protectionist (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1054). Can we have a list of countries that don't allow Islam? Other than, of course, Italy.

While you're at it, can you give us a list of Muslim countries that don't allow other religions?

Working hard at reducing your credibility ? HA HA. Try reading my list of links in Post # 29. The very first one is a Muslim one from the Muslim Times, which has the same story as the Pamala Geller link. About another 100 other sources also have it. So you think you can get by, by ridiculing Pamela Gellar (just because your lefty media pretends she has no substance?) :rollseyes: Oh boy. I thought I was going to have an intelligent discussion here. Oh well.

As for Muslim countries that don't allow other religions, we can start with Iran and Saudi Arabia. What's the point though ?

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/05/uncategorized/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

As for your "of course not", of course not WHAT ?

[Green Arrow]

The point is the UNethics. Religions don't have them. Immoral, criminal ideologies masquerading as religions do. It's notable that the Koran commands I mentioned in post # 26 are all ILLEGAL (under US law), in addition to immoral, as is Islam itself, by virtue of the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2) + 2 US Codes (2384 & 2385)

Virtually all religions have unethical practices. Fact is, Islam has a codified system of ethics. They meet every definition of religion.

[protectionist]

Virtually all religions have unethical practices. Fact is, Islam has a codified system of ethics. They meet every definition of religion.

So you think you can come in here and just deny the FACTS, and get away with it.

EARTH TO YOU: You can't.

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Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/08/14/former-muslim-wafa-sultan-says-islam-is-not-a-religion/)

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Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Comments_from_Former_Muslims)

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Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles (http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/25412-Islam-is-not-a-religion-but-a-death-cult-of-misogynistic-pedophiles)

[del]

So you think you can come in here and just deny the FACTS, and get away with it.

EARTH TO YOU: You can't.


http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2 (http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/05/uncategorized/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2)

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

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Islam and the Definition of Religion (http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2010/islam-and-the-definition-of-religion.html)

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum (http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/100100/sec_id/100100)

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Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame (http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2010/07/28/islam-not-a-religion/)

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights (http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/islam-is-not-a-religion-nor-is-it-a-cult-it-is-a-complete-system/)

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Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Comments_from_Former_Muslims)

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Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion (http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/islam-is-not-religion.html)

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult (http://www.knightscrusaders.com/Knights_Crusaders/The_Islamic_Honor_Killings_In_America.html)

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/...d-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2 (http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/05/uncategorized/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2)

Islam is NOT a Religion (http://www.awsg.us/islam-is-not-a-religion/)

Islam Does Not Qualify Under US Constitution ?Freedom of Religion? Rights « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/3062)

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FH10Aa01.html)

Islam is a political system ? NOT a religion | Creeping Sharia (http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/islam-is-a-political-system-not-a-religion/)

Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles (http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/25412-Islam-is-not-a-religion-but-a-death-cult-of-misogynistic-pedophiles)

you're not as boring when you whine about how teh blacks screwed you 50 years ago.

[Howey]

Working hard at reducing your credibility ? HA HA. Try reading my list of links in Post # 29. The very first one is a Muslim one from the Muslim Times, which has the same story as the Pamala Geller link. About another 100 other sources also have it. So you think you can get by, by ridiculing Pamela Gellar (just because your lefty media pretends she has no substance?) :rollseyes: Oh boy. I thought I was going to have an intelligent discussion here. Oh well.

As for Muslim countries that don't allow other religions, we can start with Iran and Saudi Arabia. What's the point though ?

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/05/uncategorized/italy-islam-not-recognized-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

As for your "of course not", of course not WHAT ?

Only Saudi Arabia doesn't allow other religions.

Iran does.

Now how does that coincide with your statement:


most people around the world do not consider Islam to be a religion. This includes some entire nations.

[Howey]

Oh, protectionist.

Don't forget the link to the poll of the citizens of Earth so we can see how many don't think Islam is a religion.

[protectionist]

Oh, @protectionist (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1054).

Don't forget the link to the poll of the citizens of Earth so we can see how many don't think Islam is a religion.

You got a poll on it ? If so, let's hear it. :icon_biggrin:

[protectionist]

you're not as boring when you whine about how teh blacks screwed you 50 years ago.

Lost all capability to debate the topic, huh ? It happens.

[protectionist]

Only Saudi Arabia doesn't allow other religions.

Iran does.

Now how does that coincide with your statement:

Upon WHAT do you base the statement ? > "Only Saudi Arabia doesn't allow other religions"

[The Sage of Main Street]

That is absolute nonsense. One common thread of religions is a code of ethics. Islam is a code on NON-ethics, its Koran riddled with immoral advocacies (if not commands). The SCAM of Islam being a religion stems from the 7th century when Mohammed used it as a means to insualate him and his arm from severe criticism. The only reason why this scam even survived so long is because marauding Muslims enforced it with mass murder. The notion of Islam being a religion is preposterous. It's about equivalent to calling a drug cartel, a baseball team. Oil money from the OPECkers and from our own price-gouging petro-pirate collaborators finances those who preach tolerance of this intolerant and intolerable bandits' creed.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Prehistoric bandit clans were so unevolved that they couldn't produce much from Nature and had to steal from those who could. The superior abilities of their victims led to superior weaponry and tactics. The advanced tribes forced the bandits to hide out in the No Man's Land of deserts, jungles, and mountains. The decadence of post-classical Europe (similar to our New Age's Postmodernism) weakened the formerly strong nations and made them ripe for new attacks from these bandits streaming out of Arabia. The natural-born killers and thieves devised a religion to give their feral behavior the spiritual motivation of a mission from God.

[protectionist]

Oil money from the OPECkers and from our own price-gouging petro-pirate collaborators finances those who preach tolerance of this intolerant and intolerable bandits' creed.

We should give them as much tolerance as we should give to Islam > NONE.

[protectionist]

Prehistoric bandit clans were so unevolved that they couldn't produce much from Nature and had to steal from those who could. The superior abilities of their victims led to superior weaponry and tactics. The advanced tribes forced the bandits to hide out in the No Man's Land of deserts, jungles, and mountains. The decadence of post-classical Europe (similar to our New Age's Postmodernism) weakened the formerly strong nations and made them ripe for new attacks from these bandits streaming out of Arabia. The natural-born killers and thieves devised a religion to give their feral behavior the spiritual motivation of a mission from God.

As good an analysis as any I've heard for quite some time. Good post!

[The Sage of Main Street]

We should give them as much tolerance as we should give to Islam > NONE. I prefer positive action and not even answering the preaching of the appeasers. Instead, we should do exactly the opposite of the toning down that they recommend. We need public bonfires of the Koran and public burning of the flags of all Islamic countries. We need to have marches demanding the closing of the mosques here and the deportation of all Moslems. Those enlightened enough should even start demanding the annexation of all Moslem oilfields.

[Common Sense]

i prefer positive action and not even answering the preaching of the appeasers. Instead, we should do exactly the opposite of the toning down that they recommend. We need public bonfires of the koran and public burning of the flags of all islamic countries. We need to have marches demanding the closing of the mosques here and the deportation of all moslems. Those enlightened enough should even start demanding the annexation of all moslem oilfields.

lol...

[Green Arrow]

I prefer positive action and not even answering the preaching of the appeasers. Instead, we should do exactly the opposite of the toning down that they recommend. We need public bonfires of the Koran and public burning of the flags of all Islamic countries. We need to have marches demanding the closing of the mosques here and the deportation of all Moslems. Those enlightened enough should even start demanding the annexation of all Moslem oilfields.

You are one strange bird.

[William]

I don't think ISIS is Islam, any more than the kiddy-fiddler priests or the Inquisition are Christianity. I go to school with Muslim boys, and I have been to their homes - they are no different from anyone else here.

And I dunno why someone congratulating a Muslim person who was a hero should cause all this Muslim-bashing. :huh:

[Dr. Who]

I don't think ISIS is Islam, any more than the kiddy-fiddler priests or the Inquisition are Christianity. I go to school with Muslim boys, and I have been to their homes - they are no different from anyone else here.

And I dunno why someone congratulating a Muslim person who was a hero should cause all this Muslim-bashing. :huh:
Unfortunately people have a tendency to tar everyone with the same brush. It happens often with minority groups in western society. As it happens the ME is a mess. There are extremely poor and/or unhappy Muslims looking to blame someone for their problems and there are very convincing Muslim warlord recruiters who use out of context passages of the Q'uran to manipulate the disenchanted and turn them into monsters. I mean it's even happening with non-Muslim western kids who are so unhappy with their prospects in life that they are even being drawn into this insanity and becoming radicalized Muslims who are getting drawn into ISIS. (Where are the western apologists for their contribution to the fray?) At the same time there are exponentially more reasonable Muslim immigrants who emigrated to get away from poverty, violence and authoritarian regimes who seem to be required to be apologists for every misguided Muslim who joins the party. We expect people to apologize on behalf of the misguided followers of lies and half truths like they are poster children for the religion, when in fact they are the exemplar of a societal psychosis born of western political manipulation, greedy rulers and global business agendas. Will we see western apologists when our own disenchanted population of young people find a persuasive warlord without a religious angle who starts encouraging terrorist activity to rectify the ever increasing diminishment of their future opportunities in life?

[William]

Unfortunately people have a tendency to tar everyone with the same brush. It happens often with minority groups in western society. As it happens the ME is a mess. There are extremely poor and/or unhappy Muslims looking to blame someone for their problems and there are very convincing Muslim warlord recruiters who use out of context passages of the Q'uran to manipulate the disenchanted and turn them into monsters. I mean it's even happening with non-Muslim western kids who are so unhappy with their prospects in life that they are even being drawn into this insanity and becoming radicalized Muslims who are getting drawn into ISIS. (Where are the western apologists for their contribution to the fray?) At the same time there are exponentially more reasonable Muslim immigrants who emigrated to get away from poverty, violence and authoritarian regimes who seem to be required to be apologists for every misguided Muslim who joins the party. We expect people to apologize on behalf of the misguided followers of lies and half truths like they are poster children for the religion, when in fact they are the exemplar of a societal psychosis born of western political manipulation, greedy rulers and global business agendas. Will we see western apologists when our own disenchanted population of young people find a persuasive warlord without a religious angle who starts encouraging terrorist activity to rectify the ever increasing diminishment of their future opportunities in life?

Hey, thanks for that - it was really informative. I just finished watching a National Press Club address by the head of ASIO (the Aussie version of MI6 or the CIA) who was talking about exactly those things. It was like you and he were comparing notes!

He was stressing that we have had a Muslim population for a very long time (the early camel trains which crossed the Australian deserts in the 1800s were ridden by Afghan Muslims who settled here) and despite all the media panic over 'the Siege of Sydney' we actually haven't had a terrorist attack on Australian soil.

Like he said, these are people who came here to build a better life for their children, and many if not most Australian Muslims were born here - they are more Aussie than me (I was born in the UK).

I hate the idea of people being more or less Aussie (or British or American), depending on what their religion is, what kind of food they eat, and what language they speak with their mum and dad. If you are an Australian citizen, or permanent resident, you are just as Aussie as anyone whose relatives came over with the First Fleet in 1788. Or someone whose ancestors were nomads and worshipped the Rainbow Serpent. I don't believe in 2nd class citizens.

People just want to feel they are better than others for no reason - I know what it's like. I get called a 'Pom' just cos my accent is different - but it doesn't really bother me. LOL, I just tell my Aussie-born mates that Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand, etc. wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the greatest empire the world has ever seen - and guess who made that? So sucks! :grin:

[Peter1469]

I think it is a lot of PC b.s. The militants are practicing real Islam. The moderates have done what all other religious groups have done. Water down the dogma to something reasonable.

[PolWatch]

PC or not...which group do you think is the majority?

[Peter1469]

PC or not...which group do you think is the majority?
The ones who moderated the text.

[Dr. Who]

I think it is a lot of PC b.s. The militants are practicing real Islam. The moderates have done what all other religious groups have done. Water down the dogma to something reasonable.
Heck, so did the Christians. Islam is perhaps in the middle east where Christianity was a few hundred years ago. Poverty and lack of education has had that effect, however most Muslims are no more violent than any other person on the planet. The problem is that Islam has been politicized in the ME and we both know the underlying causation. You can only abuse anyone for so long before they start to retaliate. The problem is that the west has been using and abusing the middle east for a couple of hundred years and colluding with the very wealthy elite to suck wealth out of those countries to benefit Europe and N.A. but do nothing for the indigenous populations. Most of the nomads have left the deserts and now live in the crowded cities. People in general have every right expect to be able to make a living in places where the oil wealth is sufficient to allow every citizen to get an education and live very well, but that has not happened. They don't know who to blame - they blame the west, but they also blame whichever partisans they see as encouraging the exploitation of their birth rights, so the Sunnis blame the Shias and vice versa and everyone condemns the west, but in the meantime, in the midst of all of this instability, the outlier warlords who have always existed in these places where there was only ever the very rich and mostly the very poor have found an opportunity to gain power and money by preying upon young muslims who have been raised seeing western lifestyles in the media and now find their own lots in life wanting. They no longer believe that there is honor in poverty when they are surrounded by wealth. It will not be that long before the same starts happening here, but it won't have a religious pretense.

[Peter1469]

I already agreed that most people moderate their religions.

Militant Islam is true to the Koran. It is contrary to the teachings of Christ.
Heck, so did the Christians. Islam is perhaps in the middle east where Christianity was a few hundred years ago. Poverty and lack of education has had that effect, however most Muslims are no more violent than any other person on the planet. The problem is that Islam has been politicized in the ME and we both know the underlying causation. You can only abuse anyone for so long before they start to retaliate. The problem is that the west has been using and abusing the middle east for a couple of hundred years and colluding with the very wealthy elite to suck wealth out of those countries to benefit Europe and N.A. but do nothing for the indigenous populations. Most of the nomads have left the deserts and now live in the crowded cities. People in general have every right expect to be able to make a living in places where the oil wealth is sufficient to allow every citizen to get an education and live very well, but that has not happened. They don't know who to blame - they blame the west, but they also blame whichever partisans they see as encouraging the exploitation of their birth rights, so the Sunnis blame the Shias and vice versa and everyone condemns the west, but in the meantime, in the midst of all of this instability, the outlier warlords who have always existed in these places where there was only ever the very rich and mostly the very poor have found an opportunity to gain power and money by preying upon young muslims who have been raised seeing western lifestyles in the media and now find their own lots in life wanting. They no longer believe that there is honor in poverty when they are surrounded by wealth. It will not be that long before the same starts happening here, but it won't have a religious pretense.

[Dr. Who]

I already agreed that most people moderate their religions.

Militant Islam is true to the Koran. It is contrary to the teachings of Christ.
The Quran is not as militant as you would think. Most of the encouragement to violence in the Quran is very contextual, but it is simply taken out of context. Like the Bible, the Quran is a historical document with references to temporal issues involving horrendous attacks on religious peoples. The moderates, as you like to refer to them are actually educated Muslims who have learned how to discriminate between contextual advice and the modern world. The problem is that there are vast numbers of people in the ME who cannot read and therefore get their information from self-proclaimed Imams with their own agendas. Islam unlike western religions has no overseeing body, so every Imam is able to teach his own particular version of the Quran and if that Imam has a alternative agenda, he will pick and choose excerpts from the Quran to support his own ideology and ultimate goals. The ignorant believers who often cannot read are none the wiser. The frustrated, but educated followers are simply looking for a solution to their problems and don't care to do their own research. It's much the same as the criticism leveled at Christianity for apparently spawning witch burning, when the real causation was far more worldly and based on very human foibles. Religion is often used as a vehicle for bad behavior. This includes repugnant notions that any major religion actually condones physical abuse of anyone, except in the face of physical attack.

[Peter1469]

I have heard that interpretation, I don't agree with it. I think it was designed to be militant for a militant people.

I
The Quran is not as militant as you would think. Most of the encouragement to violence in the Quran is very contextual, but it is simply taken out of context. Like the Bible, the Quran is a historical document with references to temporal issues involving horrendous attacks on religious peoples. The moderates, as you like to refer to them are actually educated Muslims who have learned how to discriminate between contextual advice and the modern world. The problem is that there are vast numbers of people in the ME who cannot read and therefore get their information from self-proclaimed Imams with their own agendas. Islam unlike western religions has no overseeing body, so every Imam is able to teach his own particular version of the Quran and if that Imam has a alternative agenda, he will pick and choose excerpts from the Quran to support his own ideology and ultimate goals. The ignorant believers who often cannot read are none the wiser. The frustrated, but educated followers are simply looking for a solution to their problems and don't care to do their own research. It's much the same as the criticism leveled at Christianity for apparently spawning witch burning, when the real causation was far more worldly and based on very human foibles. Religion is often used as a vehicle for bad behavior. This includes repugnant notions that any major religion actually condones physical abuse of anyone, except in the face of physical attack.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't think ISIS is Islam, any more than the kiddy-fiddler priests or the Inquisition are Christianity. I go to school with Muslim boys, and I have been to their homes - they are no different from anyone else here.

And I dunno why someone congratulating a Muslim person who was a hero should cause all this Muslim-bashing. :huh: Patriots hear a lot of that well-funded denial. But don't you think Catholics should leave the Church because of the pedophilia and the coverups? Same with "moderate" Moslems.

[William]

Patriots hear a lot of that well-funded denial. But don't you think Catholics should leave the Church because of the pedophilia and the coverups? Same with "moderate" Moslems.

Who are what you call 'patriots'? Denial of what? And who is 'funding' me to say this stuff? (Something must have gone wrong with the system, cos I haven't seen any money yet! :grin:)

No, I don't think Catholics should leave their church cos of what a minority of priests do, but I do think the Catholic Church shouldn't cover up for the kiddy-fiddlers, and should turn them over to the police.

And if you Google 'Muslim protests against terrorism' you get over 56 million results. So there are plenty of moderate Muslims.

So OK - do you think Americans should have left the USA after the My Lai massacre and two million civilian deaths became public knowledge, or both Brits and Americans should have left their countries after they found out they destroyed a country and caused the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis by an invasion based on lies?

[The Sage of Main Street]

Who are what you call 'patriots'? Denial of what? And who is 'funding' me to say this stuff? (Something must have gone wrong with the system, cos I haven't seen any money yet! :grin:)

No, I don't think Catholics should leave their church cos of what a minority of priests do, but I do think the Catholic Church shouldn't cover up for the kiddy-fiddlers, and should turn them over to the police.

And if you Google 'Muslim protests against terrorism' you get over 56 million results. So there are plenty of moderate Muslims.

both Brits and Americans should have left their countries after they found out they destroyed a country and caused the deaths of nearly a million Iraqis by an invasion based on lies? You're too unimportant to be funded. Just like the Moslems, you don't even have a self-identity, so the one who ​is paid to preach appeasement is whatever guru put these foolish ideas into your passive brain. All Moslems are at least toxic shields blocking our revenge on the natural-born killers attracted to their savage religion. Multiculturalism is a poison designed to make us lose our national identity

[William]

You're too unimportant to be funded.

LOL, you might be right but I think my mum and dad might disagree with you. But you know, we can't all be really important people like you. :grin:


Just like the Moslems, you don't even have a self-identity, so the one who ​is paid to preach appeasement is whatever guru put these foolish ideas into your passive brain.

LOL again, wtf is a 'self-identity' and where do I buy one? And as for the passive brain bit, and indoctrination. I'm not the Neo-Nazi here who is preaching racial superiority and putting down untermenschen.


All Moslems are at least toxic shields blocking our revenge on the natural-born killers attracted to their savage religion. Multiculturalism is a poison designed to make us lose our national identity

Dream on - but read some history. Multiculturalism is the story of your country, my country, and every other developed nation on earth, and nationalism (not patriotism) is the last refuge of the scoundrel. The man who is nothing clings on to something bigger than himself, that other people have built, and calls it 'national pride'. Where we were born and where we live are just accidents, but we are still only human beings just like all the others.

[The Sage of Main Street]

LOL, you might be right. :grin:



LOL again, wtf is a 'self-identity' and where do I buy one? And as for the passive brain bit, and indoctrination. I'm not the Neo-Nazi



Dream on - but read some history. Multiculturalism is the story of your country, my country, and every other developed nation on earth, and nationalism (not patriotism) is the last refuge of the scoundrel. The man who is nothing clings on to something bigger than himself, that other people have built, and calls it 'national pride'. Where we were born and where we live are just accidents, but we are still only human beings just like all the others. Boko Haram approves of this message.