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nic34
01-15-2015, 08:36 AM
Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we make sure Bob has enough food to eat and a home to live in, he'll never try to better himself.


If, on the other hand, we take away Bob's food and make it as hard as possible for him to have a home while simultaneously cutting taxes for millionaires, Bob will suddenly realize that the answer to all his problems is to become a millionaire himself. Lacking marketable skills and a viable plan for becoming a millionaire are just pesky details. We don't have time for details...our focus is on the big picture.

And see how well focusing on the big picture works? We just solved poverty. You can thank us at the ballot box, Bob.

Captain Obvious
01-15-2015, 08:38 AM
Minimum wage increases will make it even harder for Bob to get a job because it's sending even more unskilled labor jobs overseas, reducing them also by automation and attrition.

Welcome to today's progressive - fire, aim, ready!

Common
01-15-2015, 08:39 AM
Minimum wage increases will make it even harder for Bob to get a job because it's sending even more unskilled labor jobs overseas, reducing them also by automation and attrition.

Then we will have a revolution, the peasants will swarm the castles and kill the barons. You cant push anything living into a corner without them fighting for their lives.

Captain Obvious
01-15-2015, 08:45 AM
Then we will have a revolution, the peasants will swarm the castles and kill the barons. You cant push anything living into a corner without them fighting for their lives.

Nope.

We'll give them entitlements, make them gubmint dependent and many of them will vote Democrat in return.

That's the plan.

Mister D
01-15-2015, 08:47 AM
Bob, meet your Ecuadorian replacement Bobito. Nic supports his entry into the country cuz you know...it would be like racist and shit otherwise.

Common
01-15-2015, 08:47 AM
Nope.

We'll give them entitlements, make them gubmint dependent and many of them will vote Democrat in return.

That's the plan.

ok that will save the barons at least They arent as dumb as I thought

Common
01-15-2015, 08:48 AM
Bob, meet your Ecuadorian replacement Bobito. Nic supports his entry into the country cuz you know...it would be like racist and $#@! otherwise.

I dont send their ass' back

Captain Obvious
01-15-2015, 08:48 AM
Bob, meet your Ecuadorian replacement Bobito. Nic supports his entry into the country cuz you know...it would be like racist and shit otherwise.

Boom!

Mac-7
01-15-2015, 08:49 AM
Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we make sure Bob has enough food to eat and a home to live in, he'll never try to better himself.


If, on the other hand, we take away Bob's food and make it as hard as possible for him to have a home while simultaneously cutting taxes for millionaires, Bob will suddenly realize that the answer to all his problems is to become a millionaire himself. Lacking marketable skills and a viable plan for becoming a millionaire are just pesky details. We don't have time for details...our focus is on the big picture.

And see how well focusing on the big picture works? We just solved poverty. You can thank us at the ballot box, Bob.

Then there is Shemika who was born in the ghetto to a mother on welfare.

She does not personally know anyone who works and does not expect to ever have a job herself because Obama and Senator pokohontas tell her that the rich just want to exploit her labor.

so she supports open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens because after all, someone has to do the work.

Cigar
01-15-2015, 09:19 AM
Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we make sure Bob has enough food to eat and a home to live in, he'll never try to better himself.


If, on the other hand, we take away Bob's food and make it as hard as possible for him to have a home while simultaneously cutting taxes for millionaires, Bob will suddenly realize that the answer to all his problems is to become a millionaire himself. Lacking marketable skills and a viable plan for becoming a millionaire are just pesky details. We don't have time for details...our focus is on the big picture.

And see how well focusing on the big picture works? We just solved poverty. You can thank us at the ballot box, Bob.

They are having a difficult Decade :laugh:

Cigar
01-15-2015, 09:37 AM
The GOP's Absurd, Hilarious Ploy to Pretend They Care About Poor PeopleAcross the GOP, there’s been an outbreak of claims by party leaders and presidential candidates that Republicans deserve credit for a slow-but-steady economic recovery, and that the GOP is the emerging champion of still-struggling working Americans.

Both of these assertions are brazen falsehoods.The first of these claims, by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, is the latest effort to dilute the White House's achievements; while the second—by likely 2016 candidates including Florida's ex-Gov. Jeb Bush—is another variety of political theft, all but plagarizing Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-MA.

Republicans like McConnell seem to believe their claims of credit for a growing sense that the economy is recovering will sway an unobservent public. They betting that people will notrecall that in 2013 the GOP-led the effort to undermine the government’s credit rating and forced a federal goverrnment shutdown that damaged the economy. That came after years of criticizing almost everything that the Obama White House tried to do to shift economic policy, from bailing out Detroit automakers to implementing Obamacare.

"The uptick appears ro coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration's long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress," McConnell said, reciting his new script.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/gops-absurd-hilarious-ploy-pretend-they-care-about-poor-people

:laugh:

Mac-7
01-15-2015, 09:40 AM
The GOP's Absurd, Hilarious Ploy to Pretend They Care About Poor People

Across the GOP, there’s been an outbreak of claims by party leaders and presidential candidates that Republicans deserve credit for a slow-but-steady economic recovery, and that the GOP is the emerging champion of still-struggling working Americans.

Both of these assertions are brazen falsehoods.The first of these claims, by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, is the latest effort to dilute the White House's achievements; while the second—by likely 2016 candidates including Florida's ex-Gov. Jeb Bush—is another variety of political theft, all but plagarizing Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-MA.

Republicans like McConnell seem to believe their claims of credit for a growing sense that the economy is recovering will sway an unobservent public. They betting that people will notrecall that in 2013 the GOP-led the effort to undermine the government’s credit rating and forced a federal goverrnment shutdown that damaged the economy. That came after years of criticizing almost everything that the Obama White House tried to do to shift economic policy, from bailing out Detroit automakers to implementing Obamacare.

"The uptick appears ro coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration's long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress," McConnell said, reciting his new script.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/gops-absurd-hilarious-ploy-pretend-they-care-about-poor-people

:laugh:

Its a difference in approach.

Repubs believe that work is its own reward.

Dems believe that work only benefits its rich people.

Cigar
01-15-2015, 10:14 AM
Its a difference in approach.

Repubs believe that work is its own reward.

Dems believe that work only benefits its rich people.

Tell us more about this WORK Thing ... :laugh:

http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/tt150115.gif

nic34
01-15-2015, 10:15 AM
The GOP's Absurd, Hilarious Ploy to Pretend They Care About Poor People

Across the GOP, there’s been an outbreak of claims by party leaders and presidential candidates that Republicans deserve credit for a slow-but-steady economic recovery, and that the GOP is the emerging champion of still-struggling working Americans.

Both of these assertions are brazen falsehoods.The first of these claims, by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, is the latest effort to dilute the White House's achievements; while the second—by likely 2016 candidates including Florida's ex-Gov. Jeb Bush—is another variety of political theft, all but plagarizing Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-MA.

Republicans like McConnell seem to believe their claims of credit for a growing sense that the economy is recovering will sway an unobservent public. They betting that people will notrecall that in 2013 the GOP-led the effort to undermine the government’s credit rating and forced a federal goverrnment shutdown that damaged the economy. That came after years of criticizing almost everything that the Obama White House tried to do to shift economic policy, from bailing out Detroit automakers to implementing Obamacare.

"The uptick appears ro coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration's long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress," McConnell said, reciting his new script.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/gops-absurd-hilarious-ploy-pretend-they-care-about-poor-people

:laugh:

It's all good now...Tout est pardonne, right?

nic34
01-15-2015, 10:17 AM
Nope.

We'll give them entitlements, make them gubmint dependent and many of them will vote Democrat in return.

That's the plan.

Yes, we understand that the concept of a "safety net" is a foreign concept to sociopaths.

Mac-7
01-15-2015, 10:24 AM
Yes, we understand that the concept of a "safety net" is a foreign concept to sociopaths.

What libs call a safety net has become a hammock for lazy Americans.

nic34
01-15-2015, 10:32 AM
What libs call a safety net has become a hammock for lazy Americans.

Nice hammock:

https://contemporaryfamilies.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/poor-family.jpg

Mac-7
01-15-2015, 10:35 AM
Nice hammock:

https://contemporaryfamilies.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/poor-family.jpg

Thats not the life conservatives want for Americans.

unfortunately bleeding heart libs lure weak people into a life of government dependency that never lives up to the promises made.

The Sage of Main Street
01-15-2015, 12:28 PM
Minimum wage increases will make it even harder for Bob to get a job because it's sending even more unskilled labor jobs overseas, reducing them also by automation and attrition.

Welcome to today's progressive - fire, aim, ready! Every millionaire cries himself to sleep every night because he is not a billionaire. These employers make their obscene profits only by underpaying their workers. If they paid just wages, they'd still make a lot of money. We should outlaw their privilege of moving overseas; that is nothing but treason. The real reason they are afraid is that they are just a clique of dummies and would be replaced by more intelligent managers if wage-pressure were put on them to actually run a business competently. The solution is similar to what Gorbachev was trying to do in order to reform Communism--force the commisars to work smarter and harder by allowing competition from private enterprises. Any dummy can make a profit if he has absolute supremacy in the matter of wages and work rules.

As for automation, that also includes job-creating inventions. What jobs did the invention of the telephone kill? It created a net of millions of jobs. So we should not let these parasites get away with the extortion of threatening to automate us into poverty. We must only allow job-killers if it frees up workers for job-creaters.

Second, most of the jobs of the executives and their bootlickers can also be automated. Are the stockholders aware of that? Don't they get tired of paying millions to a CEO who could easily be replaced by relatively cheap software? And this same Jabba the Hutt is probably lying to them and the stock market about the real value of their holdings, as was done at Enron and is still being done all over and all the time.

The Sage of Main Street
01-15-2015, 12:39 PM
Thats not the life conservatives want for Americans.unfortunately bleeding heart libs lure weak people into a life of government dependency that never lives up to the promises made. Hereditary privileges are dependency. At the age of 18, Preppies must be legally cut off from all of Daddy's money and connections. The HeirDad must say to his spoiled Fortunate Son, "Work your way through college, Junior. If you can't stand living like that, join the Army." If he doesn't, he has no right to boss the rest of us around about anything.

Forty-seven percent of them will wind up in the 47%. If you believe they won't because they have also inherited superior genes, then they won't need any help and headstarts from Daddy to get back into the upper class on their own, will they? If that unAmerican aristocracy continues to have a future, the rest of us don't. If they are set up halfway to the finish line, we must break their legs and force them to crawl the rest of the way.

Codename Section
01-15-2015, 12:59 PM
Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we make sure Bob has enough food to eat and a home to live in, he'll never try to better himself.


If, on the other hand, we take away Bob's food and make it as hard as possible for him to have a home while simultaneously cutting taxes for millionaires, Bob will suddenly realize that the answer to all his problems is to become a millionaire himself. Lacking marketable skills and a viable plan for becoming a millionaire are just pesky details. We don't have time for details...our focus is on the big picture.

And see how well focusing on the big picture works? We just solved poverty. You can thank us at the ballot box, Bob.

That's simplistic kinda like this.



Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we give Bob money for food to eat and a home to live in, he'll be so grateful
that he rushes right out and tries to get a job that won't pay as much as what we're giving him.

That doesn't make sense either.


None of this is as simple as Republicans and Democrats make it out to be. It's why a group of 600 people can't and won't be able to solve it. Every community's problems are different. Some have poverty due to drug epidemics, others because the factory left, others because of drought. We can't create one size fits all solutions.

Chris
01-15-2015, 01:04 PM
Bob can work at Walmart. They're always hiring.

And then he can marry Bobita.

Chris
01-15-2015, 01:09 PM
http://i.snag.gy/YwzA2.jpg

PolWatch
01-15-2015, 01:16 PM
what happened to the welfare reforms that Clinton started...they actually seemed to work....until everyone since pushed them aside in favor of political posturing.

Chris
01-15-2015, 01:23 PM
what happened to the welfare reforms that Clinton started...they actually seemed to work....until everyone since pushed them aside in favor of political posturing.

The Great Recession is what happened:

http://i.snag.gy/XPdaM.jpg

That and Obama Guts Welfare Reform (http://dailysignal.com/2012/07/12/obama-guts-welfare-reform/): "Today, the Obama Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released an official policy directive rewriting the welfare reform law of 1996. The new policy guts the federal work requirements that were the foundation of the reform law. The Obama directive bludgeons the letter and intent of the actual reform legislation."

Mac-7
01-15-2015, 01:30 PM
Hereditary privileges are dependency. At the age of 18, Preppies must be legally cut off from all of Daddy's money and connections. The HeirDad must say to his spoiled Fortunate Son, "Work your way through college, Junior. If you can't stand living like that, join the Army." If he doesn't, he has no right to boss the rest of us around about anything.

Forty-seven percent of them will wind up in the 47%. If you believe they won't because they have also inherited superior genes, then they won't need any help and headstarts from Daddy to get back into the upper class on their own, will they? If that unAmerican aristocracy continues to have a future, the rest of us don't. If they are set up halfway to the finish line, we must break their legs and force them to crawl the rest of the way.

your success does does not depend on the failure or the destruction of someone else who started out with more.

the American pie is not limited.

New wealth is created every day and it is available TP everyone.

But at the same time most Americans are not smart enough or ambitious enough to become rich.

They are average people with some education but not enough to be professionals.

They need jobs that require some thinking and also some physical effort.

Today so called blue collar jobs are looked down upon by rich and poor alike.

But they represented the American Dream for many generations of middle class people in this country.

Peter1469
01-15-2015, 02:13 PM
What happens to daddy's money? Seized by the State?




Hereditary privileges are dependency. At the age of 18, Preppies must be legally cut off from all of Daddy's money and connections. The HeirDad must say to his spoiled Fortunate Son, "Work your way through college, Junior. If you can't stand living like that, join the Army." If he doesn't, he has no right to boss the rest of us around about anything.

Forty-seven percent of them will wind up in the 47%. If you believe they won't because they have also inherited superior genes, then they won't need any help and headstarts from Daddy to get back into the upper class on their own, will they? If that unAmerican aristocracy continues to have a future, the rest of us don't. If they are set up halfway to the finish line, we must break their legs and force them to crawl the rest of the way.

texan
01-15-2015, 02:24 PM
Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we make sure Bob has enough food to eat and a home to live in, he'll never try to better himself.


If, on the other hand, we take away Bob's food and make it as hard as possible for him to have a home while simultaneously cutting taxes for millionaires, Bob will suddenly realize that the answer to all his problems is to become a millionaire himself. Lacking marketable skills and a viable plan for becoming a millionaire are just pesky details. We don't have time for details...our focus is on the big picture.

And see how well focusing on the big picture works? We just solved poverty. You can thank us at the ballot box, Bob.

Do you plagiarizer often?

domer76
01-15-2015, 09:54 PM
Bob can work at Walmart. They're always hiring.

And then he can marry Bobita.

At Walmart, he will still be on welfare.

del
01-15-2015, 10:00 PM
Minimum wage increases will make it even harder for Bob to get a job because it's sending even more unskilled labor jobs overseas, reducing them also by automation and attrition.

Welcome to today's progressive - fire, aim, ready!

yeah, if we raise the minimum wage to $10.00 it will be worth almost as much as the $1.65 i earned in the 60's and we all know how badly the economy suffered then.

plus, those two times we raised it in the 90's really trashed the economy then, too.

your nobel prize in economics is in the mail

Chris
01-16-2015, 05:43 AM
At Walmart, he will still be on welfare.

Entry level, perhaps. Especially if he has to support Bobita.

Chris
01-16-2015, 05:44 AM
yeah, if we raise the minimum wage to $10.00 it will be worth almost as much as the $1.65 i earned in the 60's and we all know how badly the economy suffered then.

plus, those two times we raised it in the 90's really trashed the economy then, too.

your nobel prize in economics is in the mail


Apply the simple law of supply and demand. Don't need a degree for that.

Peter1469
01-16-2015, 05:47 AM
Raising the minimum wage won't hurt the economy. It will displace a lot of no-skill jobs. A lot of jobs simply are not worth $10 an hour. The market will make due without them.
yeah, if we raise the minimum wage to $10.00 it will be worth almost as much as the $1.65 i earned in the 60's and we all know how badly the economy suffered then.

plus, those two times we raised it in the 90's really trashed the economy then, too.

your nobel prize in economics is in the mail

The Sage of Main Street
01-16-2015, 03:38 PM
your success does does not depend on the failure or the destruction of someone else who started out with more.



They are average people with some education but not enough to be professionals.

They need jobs that require some thinking and also some physical effort.

Today so called blue collar jobs are looked down upon by rich

So if Preppies start out a race positioned halfway to the finish line, the success of us other runners isn't dependent on whether we can take that unearned advantage away from them before starting the race? No one with any self-respect would put up with that, or with their baseball team getting to start out every inning with the bases loaded. If they don't want to play fair, neither we'll we. We will first break their legs and make sure all of them will always lose.

Second, their fathers control the competitive job market and have to make sure their brats' advantages aren't worn away through competition. So they make sure that Junior only has to compete with people with no special talent or with talented people who have no pride.

The Sage of Main Street
01-16-2015, 03:49 PM
What happens to daddy's money? Seized by the State? The best way would use it to pay people with natural talent to develop that talent. But even in your Stalinist strawman, at least it would eliminate HeirHeads getting critical positions they would not have gotten without Daddy's Money. It would also eliminate the need for income tax. Unless you believe in ghosts, it is better to tax the dead than tax the living.

Matty
01-16-2015, 03:52 PM
Liberals are just plain nuts! And have penis envy!

Peter1469
01-16-2015, 04:00 PM
The best way would use it to pay people with natural talent to develop that talent. But even in your Stalinist strawman, at least it would eliminate HeirHeads getting critical positions they would not have gotten without Daddy's Money. It would also eliminate the need for income tax. Unless you believe in ghosts, it is better to tax the dead than tax the living.

Sieg heil der fuhrer - so we have a true fascist here.

domer76
01-16-2015, 05:03 PM
Entry level, perhaps. Especially if he has to support Bobita.

Bobita also works at Walmart and she is also on welfare. That means we support Bob, Bobita and Walmart.

Chris
01-16-2015, 05:04 PM
Hypothetically.

Blackrook
01-16-2015, 08:07 PM
Tell us more about this WORK Thing ... :laugh:

http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/tt150115.gif
Obama is taking orders from the same guy, Cigar. Why do you think Wall Street is doing so well, while the rest of America suffers?

Bob
01-16-2015, 08:21 PM
Everybody, meet Bob here. Bob was raised in poverty, really knows nothing else. He was laid off from his job sweeping floors down at the factory because the factory moved to China. If we make sure Bob has enough food to eat and a home to live in, he'll never try to better himself.


If, on the other hand, we take away Bob's food and make it as hard as possible for him to have a home while simultaneously cutting taxes for millionaires, Bob will suddenly realize that the answer to all his problems is to become a millionaire himself. Lacking marketable skills and a viable plan for becoming a millionaire are just pesky details. We don't have time for details...our focus is on the big picture.

And see how well focusing on the big picture works? We just solved poverty. You can thank us at the ballot box, Bob.

What have you done for Bob?

Bob
01-16-2015, 08:24 PM
So if Preppies start out a race positioned halfway to the finish line, the success of us other runners isn't dependent on whether we can take that unearned advantage away from them before starting the race? No one with any self-respect would put up with that, or with their baseball team getting to start out every inning with the bases loaded. If they don't want to play fair, neither we'll we. We will first break their legs and make sure all of them will always lose.

Second, their fathers control the competitive job market and have to make sure their brats' advantages aren't worn away through competition. So they make sure that Junior only has to compete with people with no special talent or with talented people who have no pride.

The rich people I have met in the past 60 some odd years have done their best to educate their children so they could get there faster.

Democrats are clueless why people earn money. They think the duty of the feds is to supply it to them.

Blackrook
01-16-2015, 08:35 PM
Does this Bob person have a will of his own? He appears to be helpless in the face of market forces that overwhelm him.

Dr. Who
01-16-2015, 10:19 PM
your success does does not depend on the failure or the destruction of someone else who started out with more.

the American pie is not limited.

New wealth is created every day and it is available TP everyone.

But at the same time most Americans are not smart enough or ambitious enough to become rich.

They are average people with some education but not enough to be professionals.

They need jobs that require some thinking and also some physical effort.

Today so called blue collar jobs are looked down upon by rich and poor alike.

But they represented the American Dream for many generations of middle class people in this country.
Unfortunately, increasingly those jobs are being automated, at least to the extent where if you once needed 10 people you now only need 2 or 3. Eventually there will be only 1 mechanic, a computer tech and a bunch of machines. The point is a lot of average can be automated now and unquestionably will be in the future because machines can be depreciated on a business tax return, however people can not. Machines don' require a pension or insurance. Their cost is gradually written off and then new equipment is purchased. Machines don't unionize and they don't complain. They certainly don't go on strike.

What happens to all of the average people who don't have the wherewithal to start businesses, when there literally is no more work for them? Already places like Home Depot are planning to introduce robot customer service agents in their stores. Fast food restaurants are beginning to automate. The jobs for the great unwashed are disappearing rapidly and we can only climb on our entitled high horses for so long and complain about welfare and how our pockets are being picked, but that argument will not have much traction when you literally have multi-millions of unemployable people. Unless you want to be stepping over their malnutritioned bodies on the street while wearing body armor to protect yourself from those who refuse to live that way, at some point we have to pull our collective heads out of the sand and realize that we are on the precipice of an entirely new world, where the old rules no longer apply. We already have millions of unemployed skilled and educated people who are having a hard time finding jobs in an ever shrinking job market. At some point we are going to start having domestic economically driven terrorism fueled by the frustration of the millennium generation who are currently largely cynical about their futures. These are the kids who are having a hard time even finding part-time jobs in a market where their parent's generation are taking all of the jobs previously reserved for teenagers. Freedom 55 is now pretty much a joke for many people and we are now looking at freedom 75 for those people whose investments were gutted in the recession and others whose jobs were forfeit as a result.

PolWatch
01-16-2015, 10:37 PM
Thank you Dr Who!

Instead of looking at reality, we have people who believe that all problems will be solved if XXXX of party R/D is elected. That will provide a magical solution to the problems that have been percolating for the last 20 - 30 years. Until we all realize that the old ways of looking at and doing things are not working, we will continue to dig ourselves deeper into the mud.

Dr. Who
01-16-2015, 11:16 PM
Thank you Dr Who!

Instead of looking at reality, we have people who believe that all problems will be solved if XXXX of party R/D is elected. That will provide a magical solution to the problems that have been percolating for the last 20 - 30 years. Until we all realize that the old ways of looking at and doing things are not working, we will continue to dig ourselves deeper into the mud.
I get so frustrated with the notion that because X economic theory worked in the past that it will continue to do so and that the only reason that there is welfare is because the bulk of the unemployed simply don't want to work or the notion that if we paid them starvation stipends that they will somehow create jobs out of nothing or find jobs where there are none to be had. There are simply not enough jobs that don't require a great deal of skill and there are not enough jobs for people with skills. The rhetoric that I hear is just too far inside the box. It's just not that simple. While welfare currently has it's issues and corruptions, it really pales in the face of what is coming and I don't see anyone really addressing the reality of this rapidly changing world. Meanwhile we are depending on the political sycophantic dependents of big business to find a solution which makes as much sense as asking the mongoose to create a better climate for cobra success.

Guerilla
01-16-2015, 11:36 PM
Unfortunately, increasingly those jobs are being automated, at least to the extent where if you once needed 10 people you now only need 2 or 3. Eventually there will be only 1 mechanic, a computer tech and a bunch of machines. The point is a lot of average can be automated now and unquestionably will be in the future because machines can be depreciated on a business tax return, however people can not. Machines don' require a pension or insurance. Their cost is gradually written off and then new equipment is purchased. Machines don't unionize and they don't complain. They certainly don't go on strike.

What happens to all of the average people who don't have the wherewithal to start businesses, when there literally is no more work for them? Already places like Home Depot are planning to introduce robot customer service agents in their stores. Fast food restaurants are beginning to automate. The jobs for the great unwashed are disappearing rapidly and we can only climb on our entitled high horses for so long and complain about welfare and how our pockets are being picked, but that argument will not have much traction when you literally have multi-millions of unemployable people. Unless you want to be stepping over their malnutritioned bodies on the street while wearing body armor to protect yourself from those who refuse to live that way, at some point we have to pull our collective heads out of the sand and realize that we are on the precipice of an entirely new world, where the old rules no longer apply. We already have millions of unemployed skilled and educated people who are having a hard time finding jobs in an ever shrinking job market. At some point we are going to start having domestic economically driven terrorism fueled by the frustration of the millennium generation who are currently largely cynical about their futures. These are the kids who are having a hard time even finding part-time jobs in a market where their parent's generation are taking all of the jobs previously reserved for teenagers. Freedom 55 is now pretty much a joke for many people and we are now looking at freedom 75 for those people whose investments were gutted in the recession and others whose jobs were forfeit as a result.


Thank you Dr Who!

Instead of looking at reality, we have people who believe that all problems will be solved if XXXX of party R/D is elected. That will provide a magical solution to the problems that have been percolating for the last 20 - 30 years. Until we all realize that the old ways of looking at and doing things are not working, we will continue to dig ourselves deeper into the mud.

"We cannot solve the worlds problems with the same level of thinking that created them." - Albert Einstein

Animal Mother
01-16-2015, 11:52 PM
I'm cynical. When "they" realize they can automate so much that the rabble becomes unnecessary to maintain their lifestyle then the Georgia Guidestones will be set in motion. Those that survive whatever they have planned will end up underground like Morlocks.

You can't watch the world and believe that those at the top have good intentions and you cannot watch the world and believe that you can use their tool (the government) to your favor.

This whole urban society prevents us from providing for ourselves and if we cannot do that then we've no liberty at all.

Dr. Who
01-17-2015, 12:12 AM
I'm cynical. When "they" realize they can automate so much that the rabble becomes unnecessary to maintain their lifestyle then the Georgia Guidestones will be set in motion. Those that survive whatever they have planned will end up underground like Morlocks.

You can't watch the world and believe that those at the top have good intentions and you cannot watch the world and believe that you can use their tool (the government) to your favor.

This whole urban society prevents us from providing for ourselves and if we cannot do that then we've no liberty at all.
In a nutshell.

nic34
01-17-2015, 05:34 AM
Bob, meet your Ecuadorian replacement Bobito. Nic supports his entry into the country cuz you know...it would be like racist and $#@! otherwise.

That's nice. Does Bobito have passage to China where Bob's job went? :laugh:

The Sage of Main Street
01-17-2015, 10:41 AM
Sieg heil der fuhrer - so we have a true fascist here. About as logical as "Zionazis." Hitler himself tried to deflect from attacks on hereditary class supremacy by screaming, "It's not about class, it's about race!"

Peter1469
01-17-2015, 11:19 AM
About as logical as "Zionazis." Hitler himself tried to deflect from attacks on hereditary class supremacy by screaming, "It's not about class, it's about race!":shocked:

Alyosha
01-17-2015, 11:35 AM
About as logical as "Zionazis." Hitler himself tried to deflect from attacks on hereditary class supremacy by screaming, "It's not about class, it's about race!"

Race is hereditary/genetic and much of the wealth was consolidated in the people whose race he disliked. It wasn't fair to rob their wealth or take their lives. What is fair is that people have access to land and all that the earth provides, not "wealth".

The Sage of Main Street
01-20-2015, 02:22 PM
:shocked: You should really use an "Awed" emoticon whenever the Sage mentors you with his wisdom.