And Now The Truth: We're living in a GOP economy

[Cigar]

Republicans are basing their entire re-election strategy on pinning the blame for the residual effects of their own failed policies on President Obama. They repeatedly claim that President Obama’s economic policies have failed, but the fact is, Obama’s policies weren’t ever really enacted. Thanks to the GOP’s strategy of sustained hostage taking over nearly every single piece of legislation, the GOP still owns our economic policy. Don’t believe me? Well, let’s review the record (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/04/opinion/krugman-this-republican-economy.html?pagewanted=all):

Look first at total government spending — federal, state and local. Adjusted for population growth and inflation, such spending has recently been falling at a rate not seen since the demobilization that followed the Korean War.
How is that possible? Isn’t Mr. Obama a big spender? Actually, no; there was a brief burst of spending in late 2009 and early 2010 as the stimulus kicked in, but that boost is long behind us. Since then it has been all downhill. Cash-strapped state and local governments have laid off teachers, firefighters and police officers; meanwhile, unemployment benefits have been trailing off even though unemployment remains extremely high.


As an aside, I think it’s worth pointing out that although the economy’s performance has been disappointing, to say the least, none of the disasters Republicans predicted have come to pass. Remember all those assertions that budget deficits would lead to soaring interest rates? Well, U.S. borrowing costs have just hit a record low. And remember those dire warnings about inflation and the “debasement” of the dollar? Well, inflation remains low, and the dollar has been stronger than it was in the Bush years.


And let’s look at what Republicans have done with their time in the Congress. You’ll recall they made their big sweep in 2010 on the promise to create jobs.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/A-GOP-priority-chart-386x460.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/ColeJ20120611_low.jpg

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/politics/2012/06/10/were-living-in-a-gop-economy/

Get ready for the flood of denials ... ready ... set ... start your whining :)

[Professor Peabody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related

We are living in a Democrat made economy.

[Smartmouthwoman]

You seem to be forgetting the enormous impact the passage of Obamacare had on small businesses. Nobody is hiring because they're too scared of the financial consequences of adding on people. He didn't have to spend a dime... all it took was 'we must pass the bill to find out what's in the bill' to create a national sense of dread and foreboding in the business community. The unknown is always worse than the known. Your excuses for Mr. Obama fall flat.

[Chris]

Get ready for the flood of denials ... ready ... set ... start your whining

Why the need to poison the well of discussion, cigar? Is your argument so weak?



Republicans are basing their entire re-election strategy on pinning the blame for the residual effects of their own failed policies on President Obama. They repeatedly claim that President Obama’s economic policies have failed, but the fact is, Obama’s policies weren’t ever really enacted. Thanks to the GOP’s strategy of sustained hostage taking over nearly every single piece of legislation, the GOP still owns our economic policy.

Seems to me you're saying Obama has been ineffective.

[Cigar]

I'm sorry ... who was President of The United States in 2008?

Need a reminder ... ?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/BushEats.jpg

[Cigar]

Why the need to poison the well of discussion, cigar? Is your argument so weak?



Seems to me you're saying Obama has been ineffective.

Depends on how you measure affective ... looks to me like the GOP is doing exactly what they want to do.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/Cloture-Invoked3Final.png


Affective ... despite that GOP in 2011

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/6647977061_f6f4358a27_z.jpg

[Cigar]

You seem to be forgetting the enormous impact the passage of Obamacare had on small businesses. Nobody is hiring because they're too scared of the financial consequences of adding on people. He didn't have to spend a dime... all it took was 'we must pass the bill to find out what's in the bill' to create a national sense of dread and foreboding in the business community. The unknown is always worse than the known. Your excuses for Mr. Obama fall flat.

You're missing a Link to your FACTS. :)

[Professor Peabody]

Depends on how you measure affective ... looks to me like the GOP is doing exactly what they want to do.

They are doing the right thing obstructing asinine Democrat policies, it's why we elected them.

[Chris]

I'm sorry ... who was President of The United States in 2008?

Need a reminder ... ?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/BushEats.jpg

And who is President now? Is he so ineffective you can't remember?

[Chris]

Depends on how you measure affective ... looks to me like the GOP is doing exactly what they want to do.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/Cloture-Invoked3Final.png


Affective ... despite that GOP in 2011

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/6647977061_f6f4358a27_z.jpg


Depends on how you measure affective

I agree, Obama is affective. That's how he got elected.

But the question here is whether he is effective.



It's interesting. You offer two facts, increase in GOP obstruction and increase in jobs. One might conclude GOP obstructionism has effectively led to more jobs.

[Professor Peabody]

You're missing a Link to your FACTS. :)

Here ya go.

Obamacare’s devastating small business tax hikes (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/21/obamacares-devastating-small-business-tax-hikes/)
Published: 11:40 PM 03/21/2012

[Chris]

More: How Obama Creates Uncertainty and Paralyzes Growth (http://reason.com/archives/2012/06/07/how-obama-creates-uncertainty-and-paraly).

[Smartmouthwoman]

You're missing a Link to your FACTS. :)

Don't feel bad, dear. Barack was surprised to hear how it's affecting small businesses too... just yesterday.


Obama Surprised To Hear ObamaCare Hurts Small Businesses (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/11/obama_shocked_to_hear_obamacare_hurts_small_busine sses.html)http://images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com/141852_5_.jpg




President Obama doesn't believe that ObamaCare made a small business close up shop and says his signature piece of legislation doesn't have any regulations that harm business. Transcript follows.

KTIV-TV (Sioux City, Iowa) reporter Matt Breen: "One of those businesses that I mentioned said very specifically when they said they needed to close up shop and move their jobs back to Wisconsin was that it was a direct result of the health care reform that you initiated, that Congress passed. How do you react to that?"

President Obama: "That would be kind of hard to explain, because the only folks that have been impacted in terms of the health care bill are insurance companies who are required to make sure that they’re providing preventive care, or they’re not dropping your coverage when you get sick. And so, this particular company probably wouldn’t have been impacted by that. I know that there’s a perception sometimes that there’s all kinds of regulations coming out of Washington, the truth is actually we’ve seen fewer regulations coming out of my administration than the previous administration. But obviously, you know it’s tough running a small business no matter what. And we’re going to make sure that we continue to provide whatever financing help that we can provide.”


(video at link)

[Cigar]

Here ya go.

Obamacare’s devastating small business tax hikes (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/21/obamacares-devastating-small-business-tax-hikes/)
Published: 11:40 PM 03/21/2012



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[Cigar]

They repeatedly claim that President Obama’s economic policies have failed, but the fact is, Obama’s policies weren’t ever really enacted. Thanks to the GOP’s strategy of sustained hostage taking over nearly every single piece of legislation, the GOP still owns our economic policy.

[Chris]

They repeatedly claim that President Obama’s economic policies have failed, but the fact is, Obama’s policies weren’t ever really enacted. Thanks to the GOP’s strategy of sustained hostage taking over nearly every single piece of legislation, the GOP still owns our economic policy.

IOW, Obama has been ineffective.

[coolwalker]

Whoever is in charge is...in charge. Today's (ugg) leader is a failed leader, but a great campaigner. His policies are absurd and more pointedly, socialist in nature. Give me a capitalist anyday.

[Professor Peabody]

They repeatedly claim that President Obama’s economic policies have failed, but the fact is, Obama’s policies weren’t ever really enacted. Thanks to the GOP’s strategy of sustained hostage taking over nearly every single piece of legislation, the GOP still owns our economic policy.

The Democrats owned the White House AND both houses of Congress in 2009 and 2010. Got any more excuses?

[Cigar]

The Democrats owned the White House AND both houses of Congress in 2009 and 2010. Got any more excuses?



Ever hear of the term Filibuster or the GOP Plan to Obstruct on the day The President took office ...

Come-on ... you're a smart person ... figure it out, playing stupid isn't really a game to be proud of. :)

[Cigar]

Whoever is in charge is...in charge. Today's (ugg) leader is a failed leader, but a great campaigner. His policies are absurd and more pointedly, socialist in nature. Give me a capitalist anyday.

Good ... 2008 is the responsibility of who?

[Trinnity]

Republicans are basing their entire re-election strategy on pinning the blame for the residual effects of their own failed policies on President Obama. You can stop right there. The dem party, principally Dodd and Frank and their partner ACORN facilitated the mortgage meltdown.

Obama wanted the job of POTUS. HE claimed he could bring us back to prosperity; get the country back on track. Or that's what we thought he said.

What he really said was "fundamentally transform America". To what? Well.... something else.
His policies have made it worse. He's a statist, a socialist, a globalist, a Marxist, an operative of the Chicago machine, and a puppet of big union leaders including the likes of Leo Gerard, and of George Soros and other international globalists.

He has no real leadership qualities, even if he was autonomous, he couldn't really lead. He only knows how to do one thing: campaign and make speeches that were written for him.

He is on the verge of getting voted OUT.

[coolwalker]

Good ... 2008 is the responsibility of who?

You need to stop living in the past. This is 2012 and I blame Obama for everything since the day he took office. Also I don't think about 1865, or 1942...I think about today. You need to move forward (we're in 2012)...isn't forward the Marxist way? Ha!

[Mainecoons]

Fact is, the country has had very bad leadership from the top beginning in 2000. Obama has simply made everything worse. But Junior sure did his part too.

[Chris]

Fact is, the country has had very bad leadership from the top beginning in 2000. Obama has simply made everything worse. But Junior sure did his part too.

Amen to that!

Federal Debt: One-party town (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/rtd-opinion/2012/jun/10/tdopin01-one-party-town-ar-1976569/)
...Meanwhile, here in Ramerica — the Rest of America, outside the Capital Beltway — the public ought to take note of a number that does not depend on partisan spin. Federal debt has risen to nearly 75 percent of total GDP. In 2008, it stood at just 40 percent of GDP.

That's because for all the bickering between Democrats and Republicans, Washington is really a one-party town. It belongs to the pro-spending party. Tax revenue goes up and tax revenue goes down, but spending just keeps climbing. President Obama deserves plenty of blame for this, but he needn't shoulder it all. There is more than enough to go around.

[Cigar]

If you're thrown out of a skyscraper and halfway down someone hooks you up with a parachute; you don't exactly stop falling, but you're sure as hell grateful the free-fall is over.

That's for playing sports fans, you didn't disappoint me on the humor. :)

[Chris]

If you're thrown out of a skyscraper and halfway down someone hooks you up with a parachute; you don't exactly stop falling, but you're sure as hell grateful the free-fall is over.

That's for playing sports fans, you didn't disappoint me on the humor. :)

Nice metaphor, cig, but I think your parachute has holes in it.

http://i.snag.gy/O56WD.jpg

[Cigar]

Nice metaphor, cig, but I think your parachute has holes in it.

http://i.snag.gy/O56WD.jpg



Sorry to hear you're doing worse NOW than you were before January 20th 2009.

Would like me to forward you the name of a good financial adviser?

Hopefully it's not too late for you to catch up with everyone who didn't wait for the sky to fall. :)

[Chris]

Sorry to hear you're doing worse NOW than you were before January 20th 2009.

Would like me to forward you the name of a good financial adviser?

Hopefully it's not too late for you to catch up with everyone who didn't wait for the sky to fall. :)

Making things up again, cig? Seems to be a pattern.

[Cigar]

Making things up again, cig? Seems to be a pattern.

Learning from the Best :)

[Chris]

Learning from the Best :)

Good to see you admitting you make things up. A good first step. For it's not a good reputation to develop.

[Chris]

But let's get back to the political topic here. As we see in the following chart, what maine said is true: Obama alone is not to blame, but he is making it worse.

http://i.snag.gy/BXSXD.jpg

From PRESIDENT OBAMA, SPENDER IN CHIEF (http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/12/president-obama-spender-in-chief/).

[Cigar]

I guess if you have NO HELP and a Concentrated Effort and Political gain from the GOP to see America FAIL ... How Patriotic.

[roadmaster]

I guess if you have NO HELP and a Concentrated Effort and Political gain from the GOP to see America FAIL ... How Patriotic.

Obama did this to himself. No one here wanted to see America fail whoever was the President.

[Cigar]

Obama did this to himself. No one here wanted to see America fail whoever was the President.

You may want to re-think this ... we all know the truth>

As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.

The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."


According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.


For several hours in the Caucus Room (a high-end D.C. establishment), the book says they plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform.


"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," Draper quotes McCarthy as saying. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."


The conversation got only more specific from there, Draper reports. Kyl suggested going after incoming Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner for failing to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes while at the International Monetary Fund. Gingrich noted that House Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) had a similar tax problem. McCarthy chimed in to declare "there's a web" before arguing that Republicans could put pressure on any Democrat who accepted campaign money from Rangel to give it back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html?icid=hp_politics_art_more

[roadmaster]

Cigar no independent like me is buying the lies of Obama. If it had been McCain I would say the same. Obama won't get the independent vote this time around. Sugar-coat it all you want but he failed same as Bush walking to his plane acting like nothing was wrong with the economy.

[Cigar]

Cigar no independent like me is buying the lies of Obama. If it had been McCain I would say the same. Obama won't get the independent vote this time around. Sugar-coat it all you want but he failed same as Bush walking to his plane acting like nothing was wrong with the economy.

If Mitt Wins ... you deserve him and I'll give You all the Credit for Electing him if that happens. :)

It's not like you have any choices ...

[Chris]

"Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration"

You mean to say Reps are against Dems. Never would have guessed.


"I guess if you have NO HELP and a Concentrated Effort and Political gain from the GOP to see America FAIL ... How Patriotic."

Can someone translate to the English, please?

[Cigar]

"Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration"

You mean to say Reps are against Dems. Never would have guessed.


"I guess if you have NO HELP and a Concentrated Effort and Political gain from the GOP to see America FAIL ... How Patriotic."

Can someone translate to the English, please?

How about Spanish ... :)

[roadmaster]

If Mitt Wins ... you deserve him and I'll give You all the Credit for Electing him if that happens. :)

It's not like you have any choices ...

I will take my chance with Mitt. Couldn't and wouldn't vote for McCain.

[Chris]

How about Spanish ... :)

As long as it's coherent.

[Professor Peabody]

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