Yellowstone River oil spill (pipeline burst)

[Chloe]

I condensed the article but if you click the link at the bottom you'll see it all. Thankfully it won't affect the national park, but it will still have a lot of negative effects.

FYI....this was a pipeline that burst

The scenic Yellowstone River has suffered its second sizable oil spill in four years, prompting truckloads of drinking water to be shipped into the eastern Montana city of Glendive. The latest spill is not expected to affect Yellowstone National Park (http://www.nps.gov/yell/index.htm), about 350 miles upstream.

Some oil from the weekend spill got into a water supply intake along the river that serves about 6,000 people in Glendive, according to preliminary tests at the city's water treatment plant (http://dawsoncountymontana.org/). The sample showed elevated levels of volatile organic compounds, predominantly benzene, that would explain the odor in tap water, officials at the plant said. The potential health risks are uncertain until further testing is complete, they said.

A breach along the Poplar Pipeline caused a spill of up to 50,000 gallons of oil produced in the Bakken shale fields of Montana and North Dakota, Bridger Pipeline announced Saturday (http://truecompanies.truecos.com/Bridger/Bridger%20-%20Press%20Release.pdf)
....

The Poplar Pipeline, which runs from Canada to Baker, Montana, carries crude oil from the Bakken oil fields. It remained closed Monday as crews worked to pump out any oil left in the section where the breach occurred. It cannot be restarted until it receives approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which dispatched inspectors to the area. (See related story: "Oil Spill Spotlights Keystone XL Issue: Is Canadian Crude Worse? (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/04/130405-arkansas-oil-spill-is-canadian-crude-worse/)")

Oil Spills Into Yellowstone River, Possibly Polluting Drinking Water (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2015/01/150120-oil-spills-into-yellowstone-river/)

[Peter1469]

I wonder if it was a lack of maintenance that contributed to the pipe breaking.

[Chloe]

I wonder if it was a lack of maintenance that contributed to the pipe breaking.

I'm not sure yet but it certainly helps to highlight the fact that pipelines aren't infallible and that they can pose possible dangers to the ecosystem and even our own health.

[PolWatch]

I could not locate how old the pipeline is. It could be maintenance or poor construction. Maybe a drunk ran over it. Accidents happen. How many opportunities for accidents would the Keystone Pipeline provide? It may not be in the drinking water now but 50,000 gallons is now seeping into the ground. It is possible that it could reach ground water.

[Private Pickle]

I condensed the article but if you click the link at the bottom you'll see it all. Thankfully it won't affect the national park, but it will still have a lot of negative effects.

FYI....this was a pipeline that burst

The scenic Yellowstone River has suffered its second sizable oil spill in four years, prompting truckloads of drinking water to be shipped into the eastern Montana city of Glendive. The latest spill is not expected to affect Yellowstone National Park (http://www.nps.gov/yell/index.htm), about 350 miles upstream.

Some oil from the weekend spill got into a water supply intake along the river that serves about 6,000 people in Glendive, according to preliminary tests at the city's water treatment plant (http://dawsoncountymontana.org/). The sample showed elevated levels of volatile organic compounds, predominantly benzene, that would explain the odor in tap water, officials at the plant said. The potential health risks are uncertain until further testing is complete, they said.

A breach along the Poplar Pipeline caused a spill of up to 50,000 gallons of oil produced in the Bakken shale fields of Montana and North Dakota, Bridger Pipeline announced Saturday (http://truecompanies.truecos.com/Bridger/Bridger - Press Release.pdf)
....

The Poplar Pipeline, which runs from Canada to Baker, Montana, carries crude oil from the Bakken oil fields. It remained closed Monday as crews worked to pump out any oil left in the section where the breach occurred. It cannot be restarted until it receives approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which dispatched inspectors to the area. (See related story: "Oil Spill Spotlights Keystone XL Issue: Is Canadian Crude Worse? (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/04/130405-arkansas-oil-spill-is-canadian-crude-worse/)")

Oil Spills Into Yellowstone River, Possibly Polluting Drinking Water (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2015/01/150120-oil-spills-into-yellowstone-river/)

Yup. Lots of negative effects.

Is that the end of this thread then?

[Private Pickle]

I'm not sure yet but it certainly helps to highlight the fact that pipelines aren't infallible and that they can pose possible dangers to the ecosystem and even our own health.

So can mudslides.

[Peter1469]

I'm not sure yet but it certainly helps to highlight the fact that pipelines aren't infallible and that they can pose possible dangers to the ecosystem and even our own health.

They don't just break on their own. If they are properly maintained they are safe (although a tempting target for terrorists).

I suspect that we won't need them anymore before the century is over.

[momsapplepie]

It happens. It's good they caught it quickly. I'm sure the repairs are already in progress.

[exotix]

Just In


Montana Governor Declares State Of Emergency After River Oil Spill

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378660013/montana-governor-declares-state-of-emergency-after-river-oil-spill

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/20/us/yellowstone-river-spill/

http://www.deq.mt.gov/yellowstonespill2015.mcpx

As much as 50,000 gallons of oil has spilled into the Yellowstone River in Montana.

Those who live in surrounding cities have been told not to drink tap water.

In 2011, more than 60,000 gallons of oil spilled in the same river.

It was caused by a pipeline rupture near the high plains town of Glendive.

The governor has declared a state of emergency in two counties because of the spill.

Montana Public Radio's Eric Whitney reports.



http://i61.tinypic.com/et74hk.png

http://www.cnn.com/video/bestoftv/2011/07/03/exp.nr.seg.exxon.oil.yellowstone.cnn.640x360.jpg


A warning sign shows the location of a 12-inch oil pipeline owned by Bridger Pipeline Co. that spilled up to 50,000 gallons of crude along the Yellowstone River near Glendive, Mont., Monday, Jan. 19, 2015.

The Keystone Pipeline is 4 times Bigger

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2511356/thumbs/o-GLENDIVE-MONTANA-facebook.jpg

[del]

but, jobs

also, freedom

[Mac-7]

50,000 gallons is not very much oil.

[del]

50,000 gallons is not very much oil.

we'll drop it off in your backyard

let me know how that works out for you

[Mac-7]

we'll drop it off in your backyard

let me know how that works out for you

If my backyard is a river that flows 50,000 gallons of water every hour it would not be so bad.

[exotix]

we'll drop it off in your backyard

let me know how that works out for you
He's a patriot so that's ok with 'em.



'I saw a river of oil heading down my street'
http://observers.france24.com/content/20130403-exxon-spill-river-oil-video-mayflower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKYz00aouo

[gamewell45]

but, jobs

also, freedom

Freedom to drink water contaminated with oil. :)

[nic34]

Montana has some drinking water for you mac.

Free. Just come get it.

Oil pipelines.... so what could happen?

[Mac-7]

Montana has some drinking water for you mac.

Free. Just come get it.

Oil pipelines.... so what could happen?

I have plenty of drinking water.

And so do the people in Montana.

[del]

Freedom to drink water contaminated with oil. :)

if we aren't free to drink contaminated water, the terrorists win.

man up

[PolWatch]

Duplicate threads merged

[Bob]

I condensed the article but if you click the link at the bottom you'll see it all. Thankfully it won't affect the national park, but it will still have a lot of negative effects.

FYI....this was a pipeline that burst

The scenic Yellowstone River has suffered its second sizable oil spill in four years, prompting truckloads of drinking water to be shipped into the eastern Montana city of Glendive. The latest spill is not expected to affect Yellowstone National Park (http://www.nps.gov/yell/index.htm), about 350 miles upstream.

Some oil from the weekend spill got into a water supply intake along the river that serves about 6,000 people in Glendive, according to preliminary tests at the city's water treatment plant (http://dawsoncountymontana.org/). The sample showed elevated levels of volatile organic compounds, predominantly benzene, that would explain the odor in tap water, officials at the plant said. The potential health risks are uncertain until further testing is complete, they said.

A breach along the Poplar Pipeline caused a spill of up to 50,000 gallons of oil produced in the Bakken shale fields of Montana and North Dakota, Bridger Pipeline announced Saturday (http://truecompanies.truecos.com/Bridger/Bridger - Press Release.pdf)
....

The Poplar Pipeline, which runs from Canada to Baker, Montana, carries crude oil from the Bakken oil fields. It remained closed Monday as crews worked to pump out any oil left in the section where the breach occurred. It cannot be restarted until it receives approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which dispatched inspectors to the area. (See related story: "Oil Spill Spotlights Keystone XL Issue: Is Canadian Crude Worse? (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/04/130405-arkansas-oil-spill-is-canadian-crude-worse/)")

Oil Spills Into Yellowstone River, Possibly Polluting Drinking Water (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2015/01/150120-oil-spills-into-yellowstone-river/)

http://www.magellanpetroleum.com/operations/united-states

Data on the owner.

I believe the pipe dates to the 1950s.

But surely you don't think the pipe was laid without government permits?

I suspect Government named the specifications at the time.

They can replace pipes. They need to fully inspect all such pipes.

[domer76]

So can mudslides.

Mud is a lot easier to remove from your drinking water than benzene

[Bob]

Freedom to drink water contaminated with oil. :)

There are water agencies operated by Government that will not allow that.

[Mac-7]

http://www.magellanpetroleum.com/operations/united-states

Data on the owner.

I believe the pipe dates to the 1950s.

But surely you don't think the pipe was laid without government permits?

I suspect Government named the specifications at the time.

They can replace pipes. They need to fully inspect all such pipes.

The environmentalists just hate oil.

[Bob]

I'm not sure yet but it certainly helps to highlight the fact that pipelines aren't infallible and that they can pose possible dangers to the ecosystem and even our own health.

I am close to a Fire department. I hear when one of those fire trucks hits something, often diesel spills.

May we ban fire trucks over a spill?

[domer76]

I am close to a Fire department. I hear when one of those fire trucks hits something, often diesel spills.

May we ban fire trucks over a spill?

They must have spilled something in your water supply that makes you ask dumb questions

[hanger4]

I'm not sure yet but it certainly helps to highlight the fact that pipelines aren't infallible and that they can pose possible dangers to the ecosystem and even our own health.

Neither are railroad tanker cars or tanker trucks

[Bob]

I apologize for giving the wrong pipeline owner. It is Bridger and not Magellan. Magellan owns the Poplar oil field.

[Matty]

Drive around in your automobiles much?

[Bob]

They must have spilled something in your water supply that makes you ask dumb questions

You never heard that there are no dumb questions? Well, you made a dumb statement.

[Bob]

The environmentalists just hate oil.

This is actually the pipeline company. I erred by blaming Magellan.

https://www.bridgergroup.com/

[Bob]

Mud is a lot easier to remove from your drinking water than benzene

The question is not what is easier, but can Benzene be removed.

I can't speak for every city but I suspect my city can remove it. We have state of the art facilities.

[Mac-7]

This is actually the pipeline company. I erred by blaming Magellan.

https://www.bridgergroup.com/

It does not make any difference to the greenies.

Anyone who works in the oil industry is their enemy.

[Professor Peabody]

I condensed the article but if you click the link at the bottom you'll see it all. Thankfully it won't affect the national park, but it will still have a lot of negative effects.

FYI....this was a pipeline that burst

The scenic Yellowstone River has suffered its second sizable oil spill in four years, prompting truckloads of drinking water to be shipped into the eastern Montana city of Glendive. The latest spill is not expected to affect Yellowstone National Park (http://www.nps.gov/yell/index.htm), about 350 miles upstream.

Some oil from the weekend spill got into a water supply intake along the river that serves about 6,000 people in Glendive, according to preliminary tests at the city's water treatment plant (http://dawsoncountymontana.org/). The sample showed elevated levels of volatile organic compounds, predominantly benzene, that would explain the odor in tap water, officials at the plant said. The potential health risks are uncertain until further testing is complete, they said.

A breach along the Poplar Pipeline caused a spill of up to 50,000 gallons of oil produced in the Bakken shale fields of Montana and North Dakota, Bridger Pipeline announced Saturday (http://truecompanies.truecos.com/Bridger/Bridger - Press Release.pdf)
....

The Poplar Pipeline, which runs from Canada to Baker, Montana, carries crude oil from the Bakken oil fields. It remained closed Monday as crews worked to pump out any oil left in the section where the breach occurred. It cannot be restarted until it receives approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which dispatched inspectors to the area. (See related story: "Oil Spill Spotlights Keystone XL Issue: Is Canadian Crude Worse? (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/04/130405-arkansas-oil-spill-is-canadian-crude-worse/)")

Oil Spills Into Yellowstone River, Possibly Polluting Drinking Water (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2015/01/150120-oil-spills-into-yellowstone-river/)

Pipelines have spills like trains or trucks that transport of oil.

http://america.aljazeera.com/content/ajam/articles/2013/11/8/train-carrying-oilderailsexplodesinalabama/_jcr_content/mainpar/adaptiveimage/src.adapt.480.low.jpg

http://tarsandssolutions.org/images/made/images/uploads/article_images/oiltrain_535_345.jpg

Look at the train oil spills.

http://www.waterkeeperschesapeake.com/media/k2/items/cache/fa55c8bad0e242eb7986dc1135b50adb_XL.jpg

http://www.waterkeeperschesapeake.com/images/hottopics/trainfire.jpg

http://www.rootforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/arkansas-oil-spill-slideshow-1-300x198.jpg
In northern Ontario, the Globe and Mail has revealed that a supposedly minor oil spill due to yet another Canadian Pacific Railway train derailment actually consisted of 400 barrels, not 4 as initially reported.

http://ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-01-at-9.37.09-AM.png
"There is some spillage in the river of crude oil,” Lynchburg city spokeswoman LuAnn Hunt told the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/summer2014/images/larger/railcars.jpg
The wreckage after an oil train derailed and exploded in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec in July 2013.

[Chloe]

Pipelines have spills like trains or trucks that transport of oil.

http://america.aljazeera.com/content/ajam/articles/2013/11/8/train-carrying-oilderailsexplodesinalabama/_jcr_content/mainpar/adaptiveimage/src.adapt.480.low.jpg

http://tarsandssolutions.org/images/made/images/uploads/article_images/oiltrain_535_345.jpg

Look at the train oil spills.

http://www.waterkeeperschesapeake.com/media/k2/items/cache/fa55c8bad0e242eb7986dc1135b50adb_XL.jpg

http://www.waterkeeperschesapeake.com/images/hottopics/trainfire.jpg

http://www.rootforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/arkansas-oil-spill-slideshow-1-300x198.jpg
In northern Ontario, the Globe and Mail has revealed that a supposedly minor oil spill due to yet another Canadian Pacific Railway train derailment actually consisted of 400 barrels, not 4 as initially reported.

http://ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-01-at-9.37.09-AM.png
"There is some spillage in the river of crude oil,” Lynchburg city spokeswoman LuAnn Hunt told the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/summer2014/images/larger/railcars.jpg
The wreckage after an oil train derailed and exploded in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec in July 2013.

Yes i know

[PolWatch]

mud spills...no diff...sure....
brought to you compliments of BP Oil Company

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608030128159851881&w=224&h=168&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608010680547541004&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608031382288924944&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bp-oil-spill-Dave-Martin-alabama-orange-beach-shore-animals-peta-surf.jpg

[Mac-7]

mud spills...no diff...sure....
brought to you compliments of BP Oil Company

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608030128159851881&w=224&h=168&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608010680547541004&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608031382288924944&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bp-oil-spill-Dave-Martin-alabama-orange-beach-shore-animals-peta-surf.jpg

Sez the lib who is riding a bicycle everywhere she goes.

[del]

Sez the lib who is riding a bicycle everywhere she goes.

stunning rebuttal, chapeau de derriere

[Mac-7]

stunning rebuttal, chapeau de derriere

We need the oil.

Even environmentalists who hate oil.

[domer76]

You never heard that there are no dumb questions? Well, you made a dumb statement.

Banning fire trucks? You appear to be the exception to the no dumb question rule.

[domer76]

The question is not what is easier, but can Benzene be removed.

I can't speak for every city but I suspect my city can remove it. We have state of the art facilities.

Your average water treatment facility is not geared up to remove things like benzene from your drinking water. It takes special methods.

[momsapplepie]

Tell you what, all the libs can give their cars to the poor people who need them and they can go ride bikes to get where they need to. Then they don't need to worry about oil. It will be none of their business.

[nic34]

The question is not what is easier, but can Benzene be removed.

I can't speak for every city but I suspect my city can remove it. We have state of the art facilities.

Water reclamation plants are not cheap. In fact VERY expensive if they are to remove oil pollutants. I know, I design them.

[Bob]

Water reclamation plants are not cheap. In fact VERY expensive if they are to remove oil pollutants. I know, I design them.

Thanks for telling me that. Maybe you can check our area and tell me what you think should we have a similar problem.

Fremont is part of the Alameda County Water system.

They put up a lot on their website.

http://www.acwd.org/
nic34

[Bob]

Tell you what, all the libs can give their cars to the poor people who need them and they can go ride bikes to get where they need to. Then they don't need to worry about oil. It will be none of their business.


I love that.

Really, it is cool.

:applause:

[Bob]

Yes i know

Keystone will put an end to train spills. As brand new pipes, we are safe for decades. Probably centuries.

[Bob]

Your average water treatment facility is not geared up to remove things like benzene from your drinking water. It takes special methods.

I have asked nic34 for his opinion on that for my city. While I am not disputing a tiny town of 5,000 probably did not protect itself, wouldn't you think they should have? They are a known area of oil pipes and oil production. Seems the wise insure such failures.

[Bob]

Banning fire trucks? You appear to be the exception to the no dumb question rule.

Well, you are no exception to asking dumb questions.

[domer76]

Thanks for telling me that. Maybe you can check our area and tell me what you think should we have a similar problem.

Fremont is part of the Alameda County Water system.

They put up a lot on their website.

http://www.acwd.org/
@nic34 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=572)

I looked at the reports and didn't see any results for the Volatile Organic Contaminants (VOCs), which are also listed in the Primary Drinking Water regs. They should have been, but I only saw the basic inorganic contaminant list. Perhaps they have a waiver to not monitor those.

[Bob]

I looked at the reports and didn't see any results for the Volatile Organic Contaminants (VOCs), which are also listed in the Primary Drinking Water regs. They should have been, but I only saw the basic inorganic contaminant list. Perhaps they have a waiver to not monitor those.


I plan to call their lab tomorrow. Thanks

[domer76]

I plan to call their lab tomorrow. Thanks

Here are the primary compounds to ask about. You'll see that benzene, toluene ethyl benzene and the xylenes (BTEX) are there. Those are often from underground storage tanks, or in the case of Yellowstone, the oil. Not usually a problem for most systems. The ones that are much more commonly found are trichloroethylene and tetrachloroethylene. More toxic, too.

http://water.epa.gov/lawsregs/rulesregs/sdwa/chemicalcontaminantrules/basicinformation.cfm

[Professor Peabody]

Here are the primary compounds to ask about. You'll see that benzene, toluene ethyl benzene and the xylenes (BTEX) are there. Those are often from underground storage tanks, or in the case of Yellowstone, the oil. Not usually a problem for most systems. The ones that are much more commonly found are trichloroethylene and tetrachloroethylene. More toxic, too.

http://water.epa.gov/lawsregs/rulesregs/sdwa/chemicalcontaminantrules/basicinformation.cfm

http://america.aljazeera.com/content/ajam/articles/2013/11/8/train-carrying-oilderailsexplodesinalabama/_jcr_content/mainpar/adaptiveimage/src.adapt.480.low.jpg

http://tarsandssolutions.org/images/made/images/uploads/article_images/oiltrain_535_345.jpg

Look at the train oil spills.

http://www.waterkeeperschesapeake.com/media/k2/items/cache/fa55c8bad0e242eb7986dc1135b50adb_XL.jpg

http://www.waterkeeperschesapeake.com/images/hottopics/trainfire.jpg

http://www.rootforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/arkansas-oil-spill-slideshow-1-300x198.jpg
In northern Ontario, the Globe and Mail has revealed that a supposedly minor oil spill due to yet another Canadian Pacific Railway train derailment actually consisted of 400 barrels, not 4 as initially reported.

http://ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-01-at-9.37.09-AM.png
"There is some spillage in the river of crude oil,” Lynchburg city spokeswoman LuAnn Hunt told the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/summer2014/images/larger/railcars.jpg
The wreckage after an oil train derailed and exploded in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec in July 2013.

Is this supposed to be a better way to transport oil?

BTW When did you sell all your cars?

We can prove our beliefs by our committal to them, and in no other way. If you hate Big Oil, give up your car. If you think coal causes global warming, close your account with the electric company. To not do those things makes you a hypocrite.

[PolWatch]

not a problem...put the pipeline & refinery in your backyard. My backyard has had enough

[Ransom]

I'm not sure yet but it certainly helps to highlight the fact that pipelines aren't infallible and that they can pose possible dangers to the ecosystem and even our own health.

Who ever argued that pipelines are infallible?

Or that an oil leak couldn't pose dangers to drinking water, wildlife, or ecosystems?

I don't believe every incident needs to create hysterics nor strawman endeavors.

:rolleyes:

[Professor Peabody]

not a problem...put the pipeline & refinery in your backyard. My backyard has had enough

Have you sold all your cars?

[nic34]

Thanks for telling me that. Maybe you can check our area and tell me what you think should we have a similar problem.

Fremont is part of the Alameda County Water system.

They put up a lot on their website.

http://www.acwd.org/
@nic34 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=572)

The following treatment method(s) have proven to be effective for removing benzene to below 0.005 mg/L or 5 ppb: granular carbon in combination with packed tower aeration.


http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/benzene.cfm#eight


But like I said, this is an expensive treatment because of the time it takes, and not all plants have this ability.


Currently you have the Mission San Jose WTP (MSJWTP) in service since 1974, and currently utilizes membrane ultra-filtration technology for treatment of surface water from the South Bay Aqueduct and Water Treatment Plant No. 2 (WTP2) in service since 1993. It is a conventional ozone plant used to treat water delivered via the South Bay Aqueduct. It is located on Mission Boulevard near the I-680 interchange in Fremont.


I don't see anything on their site that indicates ability to remove benzene at this time without actually touring the facilities.


You do have a good thing at the Newark Desalination Facility (NDF) service since September 2003. It utilizes a reverse osmosis (RO) membrane filtration process to treat brackish groundwater. The facility is located near Cherry and Central Avenue in Newark. Desalination is the future in California.


http://www.acwd.org/index.aspx?NID=101

[PolWatch]

Have you sold all your cars?

not necessary...in fact, I may buy a larger, less efficient vehicle. That new refinery in your backyard will provide lots of fuel to run them all. thanx

[nic34]

Who ever argued that pipelines are infallible?

Or that an oil leak couldn't pose dangers to drinking water, wildlife, or ecosystems?

I don't believe every incident needs to create hysterics nor strawman endeavors.

:rolleyes:

So then we can all agree that moving oil and gas is a risky business. Seems the idea would be to move it short distances or not at all. In fact to err on the side of safety and life, would be to leave as much of it where it is and find safer forms of energy.

(Note: there are already safer forms of energy out there being used.) :grin:

[nic34]

Further info on "packed tower aeration technology"


Packed Tower Aeration


Because they can achieve high air to water ratios and removals approaching 99 percent, packed tower systems are a popular option for removing volatile solvents from ground water media. They employ a five to 12 meter tower equipped with a distributor at the top. The distributor introduces water evenly across the top of a tower packed with plastic, ceramic or metal objects engineered to maximize air-water contact. Air is pushed or drawn upward through the tower against the direction of water flow. A pump at the base collects and removes treated water.

Tower systems are often permanent installations, but they may be constructed on a portable trailer and moved from place to place.

While simple in principle, packed tower systems, like other air stripping systems, are prone to clogging because of particulate buildup, rust-producing bacteria, and the precipitation of calcium carbonate. Treatment costs increase significantly if water must be pre-treated or if system air must be purified before it is released into the atmosphere.

The base cost associated with air stripping systems is in electric power, used to run the pumps and air blowers that drive this purification technology.


http://www.drinking-water.org/html/en/Treatment/Air-Stripping-Systems-technologies.html#tech3

Our office:

http://www.wilson-engineers.com/index.html

[Mac-7]

not necessary...in fact, I may buy a larger, less efficient vehicle. That new refinery in your backyard will provide lots of fuel to run them all. thanx

If the Professor happens to live along the Gulf Coast, say Houston for instance, he already has a refinery in his back yard.

[Mac-7]

So then we can all agree that moving oil and gas is a risky business. Seems the idea would be to move it short distances or not at all.

Thats a great idea.

Tell PolWatch not to buy that gas guzzling Hummer and go pick up her free ObamaBike instead.

[texan]

"but it will still have a lot of negative effects."

GEE I WONDER WHY? Maybe because we are very thoughtful in the construction and ongoing maintenance?

Also, I like the way this part is ignored so we can talk about the other Pipeline the tree hugging morons don't want. It too will have no negative affects vs. the good.

[Private Pickle]

Mud is a lot easier to remove from your drinking water than benzene

Tell that to the Japanese after the tsunami hit. Believe it or not a mudslide could easily and quickly corrupt a water supply.

[Ransom]

So then we can all agree that moving oil and gas is a risky business.

What was that? "So then" we can all agree? Who is not in agreement that moving oil and gas...or drilling for it....or transporting it.....or refining it.....or using it at your home even...isn't a "risky business?"

Don't jump on the strawman argument train here, ok Nic.


Seems the idea would be to move it short distances or not at all. In fact to err on the side of safety and life, would be to leave as much of it where it is and find safer forms of energy.

So swing your pack. Head off for the hills. Do your homework. Develop another source of energy......my guess is you want government to do this, to tax or ban product forcing the American People to make changes you see fit. I'm all for alternative sources of energy, oil was one of those innovations at one time. But I'd like market forces rather than government decree to make changes. You want Daddy to come on an infract(tax). Typical liberal epic fail policy.


(Note: there are already safer forms of energy out there being used.) :grin:

Lead by example then.

[Ransom]

Have you sold all your cars?

No they haven't. Nor discontinued flying. Look to the product they're using to type this nonsense. Oil based production of PC or laptop, tablet, microchip...keyboards, their iPhones...

americans so famous for whining on about resources and corporations......on their electronics from their automobiles.

[Peter1469]

If the government enforced current regulations pipelines would be safe, other modes of transporting oil would be safe (always a higher chance of an accident though) and companies that violate the regulations would pay for clean up and be fined.

Deep Water Horizon was allowed to happen because the government didn't bother to enforce current regulation (unless you consider handing out waivers like candy to be OK under the regs).

[PolWatch]

Deep water Horizon happened because the regulators were friends with the oil industry. They allowed the discontinuation of safety equipment currently required on every other deep water rig in the world...except in the Gulf of Mexico. ain't friends grand?

[BB-35]

Deep water Horizon happened because the regulators were friends with the oil industry. They allowed the discontinuation of safety equipment currently required on every other deep water rig in the world...except in the Gulf of Mexico. ain't friends grand?
What safety equipment?

[Professor Peabody]

not necessary...in fact, I may buy a larger, less efficient vehicle. That new refinery in your backyard will provide lots of fuel to run them all. thanx

I live in the mountains and a refinery here is quite unlikely. With that being said we have plenty of refineries, we just need more oil to refine.