Story of the Flood

[eninn]

God says in the Quran
The story of the flood in the era of Prophet Noah, peace be upon him
The science of God Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Through the revelation
Of Jibreel
In the Holy Quran
Of 1433 year


1. Verily, We sent Nuh (Noah) to his people (Saying): "Warn your people before there comes to them a painful torment."2. He said: "O my people! Verily, I am a plain warner to you,
3. "That you should worship Allah (Alone), be dutiful to Him, and obey me,
4. "He (Allah) will forgive you of your sins and respite you to an appointed term. Verily, the term of Allah when it comes, cannot be delayed, if you but knew."
5. He said: "O my Lord! Verily, I have called my people night and day (i.e. secretly and openly to accept the doctrine of Islamic Monotheism) ,
6. "But all my calling added nothing but to (their) flight (from the truth).
7. "And verily! Every time I called unto them that You might forgive them, they thrust their fingers into their ears, covered themselves up with their garments, and persisted (in their refusal), and magnified themselves in pride.
8. "Then verily, I called to them openly (aloud);
9. "Then verily, I proclaimed to them in public, and I have appealed to them in private,
10. "I said (to them): 'Ask forgiveness from your Lord; Verily, He is Oft-Forgiving;
11. 'He will send rain to you in abundance;
12. 'And give you increase in wealth and children, and bestow on you gardens and bestow on you rivers.' "
13. What is the matter with you, [that you fear not Allah (His punishment), and] you hope not for reward (from Allah or you believe not in His Oneness).
14. While He has created you in (different) stages Nutfah, then 'Alaqah and then Mudghah, see (V.23:13,14) the Qur'an].
15. See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,
16. And has made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
17. And Allah has brought you forth from the (dust of) earth. [Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.29, Page 97].
18. Afterwards He will return you into it (the earth), and bring you forth (again on the Day of Resurrection)?
19. And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse).
20. That you may go about therein in broad roads.
21. Nuh (Noah) said: "My Lord! They have disobeyed me, and followed one whose wealth and children give him no increase but only loss.
22. "And they have plotted a mighty plot.
23. "And they have said: 'You shall not leave your gods, nor shall you leave Wadd, nor Suwa', nor Yaghuth, nor Ya'uq, nor Nasr (names of the idols);
24. "And indeed they have led many astray. And (O Allah): 'Grant no increase to the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, and disbelievers, etc.) save error.' "
25. Because of their sins they were drowned, then were made to enter the Fire, and they found none to help them instead of Allah.
26. And Nuh (Noah) said: "My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth!
27. "If You leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers."
28. "My Lord! Forgive me, and my parents, and him who enters my home as a believer, and all the believing men and women. And to the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, and disbelievers, etc.) grant You no increase but destruction!"


A scientist A British ship Noah in Turkey on Mount Joudi

Which sparked the controversy .... Turks in the country and made people


Seek them from the east and Morocco with their own eyes to make sure the authenticity of the news ....


When the news and rumors reached the clerics stressed that it is


Ship Noah 100% ... Nor hypocrisy in it ..


When he tried to British researcher pursuit of evidence and proof


In order to cut any doubt resorted to the use of the Holy Quran


With the help of his friends where he found Muslims .....


The descriptions of the ship completely identical ... The ship, which they found


In Mount Joudi name of the mountain where the Holy Quran stating


This is Noah peace be upon him to leaching of water from the face of the earth


It has been possible to seek the stability and the fall of the ship


Which had been stabilized after walking on the back of the great mountain Joudi


Which is a famous mountain in Turkey was the length of the ship


Thousand and two hundred arm (1200) and display arm six hundred (600) The three layers


As Noah (peace be upon him) was put in the first layer of beasts and monsters


Layer and the layer where Humans and birds and the people alleged that the book Noah


Rode to the ship was 600 years old.


Fathar He was astonished when he heard a British researcher and an in-depth story and judgment


In addition to that he achieved great success and became a call from those of researchers like him ....


And lie some health news, but some of the clergy confirmed that this is the ship


No point in disbelief .... The cut any doubt when I took measurements




Found that the age of the ship up to more than 100 thousand years. Mission Allothar says they found

Ambassnaaly Mount Joudi in Turkey ...

And the Bible had said that the ship docked on Mount Ararat.

Of course there is a Christian mission to drill for this ship and it was a big disappointment when I found the ship

On Mount Joudi.

This represents a painful blow to the credibility of the Gospel. But it added to their anger that the Koran was a mistake

To locate Noah's Ark peace be upon him. Joudi Mount is the location set by the Holy Quran

To prove that indeed a miracle from God and that he was the religion of truth, and what other void


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRZlh7AlwQ

[MMC]

There also has been other floods. Both the Hindus and the Sumerians speak of another flood long before the Time of Noah. Also Zoroastor.

[Calypso Jones]

Respectfully MMC. I don't know how that can be. I don't know when this koran thing says this happened but there does happen to be that layer of mud around the world, of course the flood narratives of other cultures and then the archeological deposits of the so-called pre-historic flora and fauna.

I don't know. Maybe you and i are in agreement. hard to tell with the 'information' in the initial post.

[MMC]

Also when all the Continents were once one.....breaking apart there were floods. Moreover they have known of about 200 villages, towns or cities under Club Med. Plus now they have discoverd some under the Indian Ocean around Pakistan and India. They may even predate anything out of the ME or Africa.

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28aBeiZ2PWk

Sumerian version that predates the bible by almost 2,000 years. Much of text, written in cuneiform on stone tablets, did not survive the long and difficult journey through the ages but enough has survived to sufficiently blow your mind.....snip~

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rIgkmnLWqU&feature=relmfu

Before Noah there was Atrahasis, hero of the Old Babylonian flood story.....snip~

:wink:

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEbBz-obBCQ


Deluge myth:
deluge myth or flood myth is a mythical story of a great flood sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution. It is a widespread theme among many cultures, though it is perhaps best known in modern times through the biblical account of Noah's Ark, the Hindu Puranic story of Manu, through Deucalion in Greek mythology or Utnapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh.....snip~

Part 1. :wink:

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keQETq_7xLA&feature=relmfu

Part 2.

Black Sea deluge theory:
The Black Sea deluge is a hypothesized catastrophic rise in the level of the Black Sea circa 5600 BC due to waters from the Mediterranean Sea breaching a sill in the Bosporus Strait. The hypothesis made headlines when The New York Times published it in December 1996, shortly before it was published in an academic journal. While it is agreed that the sequence of events described did occur, there is debate over the suddenness and magnitude of the events. Two opposing hypotheses have arisen to explain the rise of the Black Sea: gradual and oscillating. The oscillating hypothesis specifies that over the last 30,000 years, water has intermittently flowed back and forth between the Black Sea and Aegean Sea in relatively small magnitudes.....snip~

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gts9DmNyq0I&feature=relmfu

Part 3.

Flood hypothesis:
In 1997, Bill Ryan and Walter Pitman published evidence that a massive flooding of the Black Sea occurred about 5600 BC through the Bosporus, following this scenario. Before that date, glacial meltwater had turned the Black and Caspian Seas into vast freshwater lakes which were draining into the Aegean Sea. As glaciers retreated, some of the rivers emptying into the Black Sea declined in volume and changed course to drain into the North Sea. The levels of the lakes dropped through evaporation, while changes in worldwide hydrology caused sea level to rise. The rising Mediterranean finally spilled over a rocky sill at the Bosporus. The event flooded 155,000 km2 (60,000 sq mi) of land and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and west. According to the researchers, "Ten cubic miles [42 km3] of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls ... The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days."
Samplings of sediments in the Black Sea by a series of expeditions carried out between 1998 to 2005 confirmed the conclusion of Pitman and Ryan. These results were also completed by the Noah project led by the Bulgarian Institute of Oceanography (IO-BAS).[6][page needed] Furthermore, calculations made by Mark Siddall predicted an underwater canyon that was actually found.....snip~

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTjFZrzSTs8&feature=relmfu

Part 4.

Evidence from archaeology
Although neolithic agriculture had by that time already reached the Pannonian plain, Ryan and Pittman link its spread with people displaced by the postulated flood. More recent examinations by oceanographers such as Teofilo A. "Jun" Abrajano Jr. at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and his Canadian colleague Ali Aksu of Memorial University of Newfoundland have cast some doubt on this linkage. Abrajano's team, finding sapropel mud deposits in the Sea of Marmara which are today associated with freshwater outflow over top of salt-water inflow, have concluded that there has been sustained fresh water outflow from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean and the Black Sea for at least 10,000 years: Aksu found an underwater delta south of the Bosporus; evidence for a strong flow of fresh water out of the Black Sea in the 8th millennium BC.....snip~

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zKVs0gGiPQ&feature=relmfu

Part 5 and the final piece.

In a series of expeditions, a team of marine archeologists led by Robert Ballard identified what appeared to be ancient shorelines, freshwater snail shells, drowned river valleys, tool-worked timbers, and man-made structures in roughly 300 feet (100 m) of water off the Black Sea coast of modern Turkey. Although radiocarbon dating of freshwater mollusk remains indicated an age of about 7,500 years, one should note that radiocarbon dating in freshwater mollusks in particular can be inaccurate. Such inaccuracies, however, are always in the direction of objects appearing older than they actually are (containing less 14C than expected), so the time given is a maximum age of a freshwater shoreline at that location.....snip~

[Calypso Jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28aBeiZ2PWk

Sumerian version that predates the bible by almost 2,000 years. Much of text, written in cuneiform on stone tablets, did not survive the long and difficult journey through the ages but enough has survived to sufficiently blow your mind.....snip~

Of course it would pre-date the bible. The OT was largely oral tradition. But where did Sumer come from? Like maybe one of the sons of Noah and his descendants. Shem to be exact.

[MMC]

Of course it would pre-date the bible. The OT was largely oral tradition. But where did Sumer come from? Like maybe one of the sons of Noah and his descendants. Shem to be exact.

The Sumerians were there before the Hebrews or any Arabs. It was the Sumerians that taught Enoch how to write. Again it is alleged the Sumerians were the first to write. They speak of Enoch being like a Hebrew King. Later when the Egyptians roamed into the Area even they have Glyphs about the Hebrew Enoch. Son of Cain. In which then Ham is alleged to be the line of the Egyptians and taken back to Noah.

Note then there are the Hindu's Sanskrit Texts which they alleged to be the oldest writings on the planet. Both Sumerian and Sanskrit have been carbon dated and are older than any other known writings in the world.

[Calypso Jones]

I respectfully disagree with that too.

The Great Flood is estimated to have occurred 4300 BC
The origin of Sumer is about 2700 BC

It is entirely plausible that Sumer is descended from one of the sons of Noah. It makes as much sense as Ancient Aliens.

[MMC]

http://www.fsmitha.com/images/map00_small.gif

In that part of the Middle East called the Fertile Crescent (http://thepoliticalforums.com/map00-fc.html), hunter-gatherers began planting gardens. By 7000 BCE there was farming, which required permanent settlement. By 4500 BCE, people archaeologists call Ubaidians were living in towns near where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers emptied into the Persian Gulf. The Ubaidians drained marshes. They grew wheat and barley and irrigated their crops by digging ditches to river waters. They kept farm animals. Some manufactured pottery. They did weaving, leather or metal work, and some were involved in trade with other societies.This was Mesopotamia (http://thepoliticalforums.com/map01mes.htm)(Greek for "between two rivers").

It was around 4000 BCE that a people called Sumerians moved into Mesopotamia, perhaps from around the Caspian Sea (http://thepoliticalforums.com/map01mes.htm). By 3800 BCE the Sumerians had supplanted the Ubaidians and Semites in southern Mesopotamia.

Sumerian writing is the oldest full-fledged writing that archaeologists have discovered. The Ubaidians may have introduced the Sumerians to the rudiments of writing and numerical calculation, which the Sumerians used with the rise in trade and to calculate and to keep records of supplies and goods exchanged. The Sumerians wrote arithmetic based on units of ten -- the number of fingers on both hands. Concerned about their star-gods, they mapped the stars and divided a circle into units of sixty, from which our own system of numbers, and seconds and minutes, are derived.

The Sumerian renaissance lasted until about 1950 BCE, when Sumer was attacked by Elamites from the Zagros Mountains, just east of Mesopotamia. And Sumer was attacked by a Semitic speaking people from Syria who became known as Amorites (a word meaning westerner). The Amorites sacked and burned Sumerian cities.The Amorites overran much of Sumer and settled along the Euphrates River (http://thepoliticalforums.com/map04mes.htm) just north of Sumer, where they founded the city of Babylon, and the Amorites settled to the north, along the Tigris River (http://thepoliticalforums.com/map04mes.htm), in an area that included the city of Ashur. A Sumerian had described the Amorites as nomadic: as a people knowing no submission and having no house in their lifetime.

The Book of Genesis in the Old Testament describes an Amorite as the grandson of Ham, youngest son of Noah, and describes an Amorite and other descendants of Noah as living between "the river of Egypt" and the Euphrates (Genesis 10:1-16 and 15:18-21). And in Amos 2:9, Amos describes the Amorites as being as tall as cedar trees.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch03.htm (http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch03.htm)

Ubaidians

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/612223/Ubaidian

Sumer was first settled between 4500 and 4000 bc by a NON SEMITIC people who did not speak the Sumerian language. These people now are called proto-Euphrateans or Ubaidians , for the village Al-Ubaid, where their remains were first discovered. The Ubaidians were the first civilizing force in Sumer.

[Frogger]

Sorry, eninn but your Koran was about 1,400 years late with the story. The story of Noah, like many Islamic tales was taken directly from the Hebrew Old Testament.

That there was a flood in the area around the Mediterranean Sea is pretty much accepted as a given fact. It is the cause of the flood that is in question. I happen to be in the inundation by the Black Sea camp. If a natural earthern barrior was breached there would be catestrophic flooding and something like that would be extraordinary enough to become part of racial memory. This could easily explain the story of the floor.

[eninn]

Ambassnaaly Mount Joudi in Turkey ...

And the Bible had said that the ship docked on Mount Ararat.

Of course there is a Christian mission to drill for this ship and it was a big disappointment when I found the ship

On Mount Joudi.

This represents a painful blow to the credibility of the Gospel. But it added to their anger that the Koran was a mistake

To locate Noah's Ark peace be upon him. Joudi Mount is the location set by the Holy Quran

To prove that indeed a miracle from God and that he was the religion of truth, and what other void

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpKnwh3AvE

Chinese and Turks made the initial discovery so they say.

Do you really think that that Noah could fit two of every living creature on the planet into a boat?

[wingrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpKnwh3AvE

Chinese and Turks made the initial discovery so they say.

Do you really think that that Noah could fit two of every living creature on the planet into a boat? yep considering the sise of the boat.. and that he probably only took the young .. and only about 16,000 species,, and besides that the average sise would be about the same as a small sheep.

http://creation.com/how-did-all-the-animals-fit-on-noahs-ark

[MMC]

yep considering the sise of the boat.. and that he probably only took the young .. and only about 16,000 species,, and besides that the average sise would be about the same as a small sheep.

http://creation.com/how-did-all-the-animals-fit-on-noahs-ark



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMl4xyqm15U

Both mainstream Archeologists, Biblical scholars and theologians agree that this would be physically and biologically impossible. As it would involve every animal, bird and insect. There would be no ship large enough to contain all living species except that of fish and mammals.

Moreover the bulk of the animals would not have been in the medium range.

[wingrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMl4xyqm15U

Both mainstream Archeologists, Biblical scholars and theologians agree that this would be physically and biologically impossible. As it would involve every animal, bird and insect. There would be no ship large enough to contain all living species except that of fish and mammals.

Moreover the bulk of the animals would not have been in the medium range.
hmmmmmm.. apparently you did not look at my link... OK

[MMC]

hmmmmmm.. apparently you did not look at my link... OK

Bible commentators are evenly divided about whether the Hebrew means ‘seven’ or ‘seven pairs’ of each type of clean animal. Woodmorappe takes the latter just to concede as much to the biblioskeptics as possible. But the vast majority of animals are not clean, and were represented by only two specimens each. The term ‘clean animal’ was not defined until the Mosaic Law. But since Moses was also the compiler of Genesis, if we follow the principle that ‘Scripture interprets Scripture’, the Mosaic Law definitions can be applied to the Noahic situation. There are actually very few ‘clean’ land animals listed in Leviticus 11 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=lev+11&version=ESV) and Deuteronomy 14 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=deut+14&version=ESV).

God created a number of different types of animals with much capacity for variation within limits.4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#endRef4) The descendants of each of these different kinds, apart from humans, would today mostly be represented by a larger grouping than what is called a species. In most cases, those species descended from a particular original kind would be grouped today within what modern taxonomists (biologists who classify living things) call a genus (plural genera).
For example, horses, zebras and donkeys are probably descended from an equine (horse-like) kind, since they can interbreed, although the offspring are sterile. Dogs, wolves, coyotes and jackals are probably from a canine (dog-like) kind. All different types of domestic cattle (which are clean animals) are descended from the Aurochs, so there were probably at most seven (or fourteen) domestic cattle aboard. The Aurochs itself may have been descended from a cattle kind including bisons and water buffaloes. We know that tigers and lions can produce hybrids called tigons and ligers, so it is likely that they are descended from the same original kind.....snip~

Also on the end the big Cats would not have been able to produce a marguay or an ocelot or a lynx.

Oh I did look at your link.....also the dinosaur issue has several more arguments as to why there could be no ship large enough. Which one of the main arguments is over the germs and diseases the dinos carried as opposed to mammals. Note that is also conjecture and assumption on the issue of the reptiles.

[eninn]

That God commanded him to carry them from all of the things a couple two and that the survival of this type does not need to keep this type until the Day of Resurrection, Allah Almighty has estimated it extinction or lack of, or extinction in some places and a presence in some places means to stay in some places this does not contradict the verse because God did not say where the animals will remain in the ship to its kind, the Day of Resurrection even say that this is contrary to reality, but it twilight for the survival of this type

[MMC]

That God commanded him to carry them from all of the things a couple two and that the survival of this type does not need to keep this type until the Day of Resurrection, Allah Almighty has estimated it extinction or lack of, or extinction in some places and a presence in some places means to stay in some places this does not contradict the verse because God did not say where the animals will remain in the ship to its kind, the Day of Resurrection even say that this is contrary to reality, but it twilight for the survival of this type

On another clay tablet, surviving fragments of a poem describe the gods as having decided that humans were evil and the gods as having created a flood "to destroy the seed of humanity," a flood that raged for seven days and seven nights. The tablet describes a huge boat commanded by a king named Ziusudra, who was preserving vegetation and the seed of humankind. His boat was "tossed about by the windstorms on the great waters." When the storm subsided, the god Utu -- the sun -- came forward and shed light on heaven and earth. The good king Ziusudra opened a window on the boat and let in light from Utu. Then Ziusudra prostrated himself before Utu and sacrificed an ox and a sheep for the god.....snip~

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/religion-sumer.htm


Sound Familiar?

[Trinnity]

Ambassnaaly Mount Joudi in Turkey ...
And the Bible had said that the ship docked on Mount Ararat.
Of course there is a Christian mission to drill for this ship and it was a big disappointment when I found the ship

On Mount Joudi.

This represents a painful blow to the credibility of the Gospel. But it added to their anger that the Koran was a mistake
To locate Noah's Ark peace be upon him. Joudi Mount is the location set by the Holy Quran
To prove that indeed a miracle from God and that he was the religion of truth, and what other voidBlah, blah, blah.

Your tacit attempts to convert people to Islam by proselytizing and posting Islamic propaganda and claiming Islam is superior to Christianity and Christians are wrong and Muslims are right - is offensive to me, sir. I consider it soft-Jihad.

IMO your real mission here is to promote the Pan-Islamic agenda.

[eninn]

No God but Allah .....


I invite you to embrace the religion of Islam, the religion of God is right, a religion that unites God and no one else is God

Wahed Al Ahad Samad individual begets not and did not have one no longer, God is not like humans eat and sleep




God holds the sky to fall on the ground and prevents the sinking of the Sea



God Almighty and the highest is greater than that
God sent a prophet and a messenger to teach human and guided a

Seal of the Prophets and Messengers, Muhammad peace be upon him illiterate prophet religion of Islam commands us to worship

God alone does not associating anything with Him and believe that Mohammed is the servant of God and His Messenger, and that Jesus is the servant of God and His Messenger

The speech he gave to Mary and the spirit of it and not the Son of God and believe in all prophets and messengers, and I like to

Tell you that Muhammad is the Messenger of Islam is mentioned in the Bible right and not a typeface has been preached by Jesus was God said in the Holy Koran in Surat (the cow) (255) 255) Allah - there is no deity except Him , the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kurs extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.


As well as in Sura (fidelity). 1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."


Say no God but Allah, Mohammad is the Messenger of God and that Jesus is the servant of God and His Messenger, save yourself from the fire enter the Islam lived happiness that you are looking for


Try when stressed and depressed to put your head on the ground and prostrate to God and say Glory to my Lord Supreme beyond the narrow and guide me to the true religion will feel happy and solve your problems and rest assured I do that when you are alone in your room after a shower and hygiene, such as prayer a Muslim to remember my words when they encounter a problem

[Trinnity]

No God but Allah .....
I invite you to embrace the religion of Islam, This is offensive to me.
Look what happened to this man for converting to Christianity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWldmhg00I&feature=related

What about this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H754R9tX2UY&feature=related

and this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq4PFnl1S6Q

or this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCPo3pzJ-Is

Can you justify these things? A culture that believes in these things is barbaric and dangerous. Embrace Islam? Not a chance!!!

[MMC]

Suffice to say each of the major religions have their own dogma. The Ancient Sanskrit Texts are alleged to be over 6000yrs old. According to them Rama was the first World Savior.

Each has their own ceremonies and paying homage to what the Essences called the SUGMAD. Which for some reason is muted upon by the MS Media.

Yet what does this have to do with the flood or floods Eninn? Or even that of Noah and the Ark. Did you not watch the video upon the discovery and what was said by the Chinese and the Turks?

[eninn]

Your words is incorrect

Islam is innocent of
Actions of governments
God says in the Quran

(32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves
one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Now you recognize
destroyed Iraq
Afghanistan and the poor
And Palestine
Bosnia and
who will be tried Of the murderers?
To kill millions of innocent people

Help governments and Christian
Corrupt rulers



And false media hides the truth
From the world
And laughing at people like you
However
Islam in increasing
After knowing the truth

[Peter1469]

God doesn't say anything in the Koran- that would be Allah.

[Calypso Jones]

allah is a man made god. No man could come up with the true forgiving loving nature of God and islam is no different. In order to achieve paradise, a good muslim must earn it. allah has no son who was the perfect sacrifice for His creation, man. allah makes no sacrifice in your stories. He is not loving of his creation, he is harsh and unforgiving and he may or may not help his creation.

[MMC]

Your words is incorrect

Islam is innocent of
Actions of governments
God says in the Quran

(32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves
one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Now you recognize
destroyed Iraq
Afghanistan and the poor
And Palestine
Bosnia and
who will be tried Of the murderers?
To kill millions of innocent people

Help governments and Christian
Corrupt rulers



And false media hides the truth
From the world
And laughing at people like you
However
Islam in increasing
After knowing the truth


Then there was Iran and their Muslim Clerics.....no need to deflect Eninn.

[eninn]

60. Is not He (better than your gods) Who created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you water (rain) from the sky, whereby We cause to grow wonderful gardens full of beauty and delight? It is not in your ability to cause the growth of their trees. Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but they are a people who ascribe equals (to Him)!61. Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but most of them know not.
62. Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations. Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Little is that you remember!
63. Is not He (better than your gods) Who guides you in the darkness of the land and the sea, and Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain)? Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? High Exalted be Allah above all that they associate as partners (to Him)!
64. Is not He (better than your so-called gods) Who originates creation, and shall thereafter repeat it, and Who provides for you from heaven and earth? Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Say, "Bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful."

[eninn]

Suffice to say each of the major religions have their own dogma

My dear brother
I like

You are polite
You are cultured
And you like reading
But
I hope you
Study of the Qur'an
And you go to specialists Islamist
In your country
And compared between the Koran and other books now

[MMC]

Suffice to say each of the major religions have their own dogma

My dear brother
I like

You are polite
You are cultured
And you like reading
But
I hope you
Study of the Qur'an
And you go to specialists Islamist
In your country
And compared between the Koran and other books now




Ah.....that is my point as well Eninn. To look at the all other Sources as well. Compare, and assess! Moreover there are religions that have come and gone.

Does this mean there was no truth in them?

[eninn]

True Gospel
In the era of the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him only
Bible now interpolated
As well as
Torah true in the era of Prophet Moses, peace be upon him
Torah is now distorted
But
Quran a single copy
Of 1433 year

[Goldie Locks]

Pray to Jesus to rid the world of this cult called Islam.

[MMC]

True Gospel
In the era of the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him only
Bible now interpolated
As well as
Torah true in the era of Prophet Moses, peace be upon him
Torah is now distorted
But
Quran a single copy
Of 1433 year

Which is why I asked about the other religions that have come and gone. No chance for those to be distorted or interpolated. Still again does this mean there was no truth in them even tho they have come and gone?

[wingrider]

the flood happened .. people died... end of story

[eninn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y0jZRRinZM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuxyL3zA6zc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVSY_3xbJxY

[eninn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS_TbmJ4H1g&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C9MiHJkHsY&feature=player_embedded Convert to Islam after answer her question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZWEt2o0F0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZWEt2o0F0&feature=related Michael Jackson

[birddog]

Pray to Jesus to rid the world of this cult called Islam.

Amen Sister! I don't consider their cult a true religion, therefore the muslims in this country should not have First Amendment protection related to religion.

[MMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg

Okay Eninn.....if ya is going to bring Up Michael Jackson. I will raise you one Weird Al and a Amish Paradise. :wink: :laugh:

Enjoy!

[eninn]

40(So ​​it was) till then there came Our Command and the oven gushed forth (water like fountains from the earth). We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two (male and female), and your family, except him against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And none believed with him, except a few."

41. And he [Nuh (Noah)] said: "Embark therein, in the Name of Allah will be its moving course and its resting anchorage. Surely, my Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. 12, Page 43)

42. So it (the ship) sailed with them amidst the waves like mountains, and Nuh (Noah) called out to his son, who had separated himself (apart), "O my son! Embark with us and be not with the disbelievers."

43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to a mountain, it will save me from the water." Nuh (Noah) said: "This day there is no saviour from the Decree of Allah except him on whom He has mercy." And a wave came in between them, so he (the son) was among the drowned.

44. And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allah) was fulfilled (ie the destruction of the people of Nuh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doing)! "

45. And Nuh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges."

46. He said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Surely, he is not of your family; verily, his work is unrighteous, so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you, lest you be one of the ignorants . "

47. Nuh (Noah) said: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers."

48. It was said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Come down (from the ship) with peace from Us and blessings on you and on the people who are with you (and on some of their off spring), but (there will be other ) people to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end a painful torment will reach them from Us.

[MMC]

Eninn what date in history would you say the Flood you are talking about was?

You are aware now that there are 3 sites in the World dating back to 12,000 yrs BC aren't you?

[shaarona]

Respectfully MMC. I don't know how that can be. I don't know when this koran thing says this happened but there does happen to be that layer of mud around the world, of course the flood narratives of other cultures and then the archeological deposits of the so-called pre-historic flora and fauna.

I don't know. Maybe you and i are in agreement. hard to tell with the 'information' in the initial post.

There is no world wide layer of mud or flood footprint.. There are very ancient cities all over the world that were never touched by any flood.

Jericho being one and it is below sea level.

[shaarona]

Eninn what date in history would you say the Flood you are talking about was?

You are aware now that there are 3 sites in the World dating back to 12,000 yrs BC aren't you?

Here's a short library of Sumerian Myths.
Noah Kramer spent his whole life translating them.

Here's a link to the story of the Deluge.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/sum/sum09.htm

Sumerian Mythology

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/sum/index.htm

[Trinnity]

Some scientists think the flood was a local event. I dunno. It was a documentary I saw on the History Channel, I think.

[shaarona]

Some scientists think the flood was a local event. I dunno. It was a documentary I saw on the History Channel, I think.

I think it was local ... on the Euphrates river circa 2900 BC.

[Calypso Jones]

naturally there is going to be a worldwide flood story. When those 8 people came off the ark they settled in different areas. The flood story was passed down from these few survivors. Nothing unusual about that.

Mohammad of course plagiarized this bit of history for his moon god cult.

[shaarona]

naturally there is going to be a worldwide flood story. When those 8 people came off the ark they settled in different areas. The flood story was passed down from these few survivors. Nothing unusual about that.

Mohammad of course plagiarized this bit of history for his moon god cult.

There was no worldwide flood... but there have been local floods worldwide throughout the ages..

[Peter1469]

For a group of people that likely haven't traveled very far outside of a specific range, a massive regional flood might as well be "world-wide."

[shaarona]

For a group of people that likely haven't traveled very far outside of a specific range, a massive regional flood might as well be "world-wide."

Thank you, Peter. :highfive:

[Calypso Jones]

There was no worldwide flood... but there have been local floods worldwide throughout the ages..

if it was local all they'd have to do is to go to where it wasn't flooding. Many other civilizations have called it a worldwide flood. And you're going to doubt them?? They aren't christian.

[Calypso Jones]

if it was local all they'd have to do is to go to where it wasn't flooding and they'd have said so. Many other civilizations have called it a worldwide flood. And you're going to doubt them?? They aren't christian.

Additionally. It's 600 miles from Ur to Haran. Albeit this is Abraham's travels but why should it have been any different at the time of the flood. After all, Noah built that huge ark, what's six hundred miles. So. If 600 miles is not big deal to Abraham in those days what's the problem with travelling out of a local flood zone? Surely they could have managed at least 100 miles. or more. It was a world flood. Even archeological evidence points to that fact.

[shaarona]

if it was local all they'd have to do is to go to where it wasn't flooding. Many other civilizations have called it a worldwide flood. And you're going to doubt them?? They aren't christian.

There was no worldwide flood... There are many ancient cities that have no flood print sediment.

[AZFlyFisher]

There is no scientific evidence for a worldwide flood and no one has found the ark. Every attempt by Creationists to prove otherwise has been thoroughly debunked.

The thing I find most amusing about what Creationists currently believe is that they are claiming rapid evolution happened after the animals exited the ark. :shocked:

[shaarona]

if it was local all they'd have to do is to go to where it wasn't flooding and they'd have said so. Many other civilizations have called it a worldwide flood. And you're going to doubt them?? They aren't christian.

Additionally. It's 600 miles from Ur to Haran. Albeit this is Abraham's travels but why should it have been any different at the time of the flood. After all, Noah built that huge ark, what's six hundred miles. So. If 600 miles is not big deal to Abraham in those days what's the problem with travelling out of a local flood zone? Surely they could have managed at least 100 miles. or more. It was a world flood. Even archeological evidence points to that fact.

There is NO evidence for a flood in Jericho which is 800 feet below sea level.. and none in Byblos or Baalbeck.. and numerous other ancient cities.

Read your bible.. there are TWO flood stories and the water only rose 15 cubits (22 feet) where it covered the hills.

[Calypso Jones]

There is NO evidence for a flood in Jericho which is 800 feet below sea level.. and none in Byblos or Baalbeck.. and numerous other ancient cities.

Tead your bible.. there are TWO flood stories and the water only rose 15 cubits (22 feet) where it covered the hills.

then post the links.

[shaarona]

then post the links.

Don't you ever study things on your own?

I have been studying this for over 50 years and you want a link?

Pick any ancient city.. preferaby the oldest you can find.. Like 11,000 year old.




See Catal Huyuk (http://www.telesterion.com/catal1.htm) in Anatolia.. or the 11,000 year old granaries near the Dead Sea..

[Stuck_In_California]

.........I have been studying this for over 50 years.........

......and you're still a moron.

Who are you, Sandra Fluke or something?

[shaarona]

......and you're still a moron.

Who are you, Sandra Fluke or something?

And you are apparently good at name calling. I take it that you have not traveled to any of these ancient sites and have no interest in archeology or geology.

[Trinnity]

This is a reminder to members to please be civil.

[Calypso Jones]

There is no scientific evidence for a worldwide flood and no one has found the ark. Every attempt by Creationists to prove otherwise has been thoroughly debunked.

The thing I find most amusing about what Creationists currently believe is that they are claiming rapid evolution happened after the animals exited the ark. :shocked:

well that first part is just not true. Surely secularists outnumber those that are willing to look to the bible for some evidence or clues, those that you creationists. And tell me. What difference would it make to you if an ark was discovered with evidence of animals having been in it. none i'd wager.

[Calypso Jones]

Margot knows, grudgingly, that evidence of a worldwide flood far outweighs the local flood theory.

[shaarona]

Margot knows, grudgingly, that evidence of a worldwide flood far outweighs the local flood theory.

It does not, but that is the purpose of science over morality tales. Geology, archeology, plate tectonics are not "secular".. or "spiritual"...just factual.

The original flood story came from Sumer on the Euphrates and lasted 4 days in 2900 BC. Barges broke loose and floated downstream hauling beer, grain and livestock.

[Stuck_In_California]

.........I have been studying this for over 50 years.........
......and you're still a moron.

Who are you, Sandra Fluke or something?
And you are apparently good at name calling...........

The thing about name calling is that what matters is if the name fits. In your case, it does.


.........I take it that you have not traveled to any of these ancient sites and have no interest in archeology or geology.

Travelling somewhere does not make you any more or less knowledgable, which is evidenced by your moronic posts throughout this forum.

I am sure you have gone to a hospital many times. Did those travels make you a doctor? You may have gone to court before. Did going to court make you a lawyer?

Spare us all your condescending drivel. "Oh, I took a plane somewhere so I know everything and you should listen." LOL!! What a crock of crap. You don't know squat. Your posts are inane and ignorant.

And anyone who turns to a godless hate document like the Koran for knowledge needs their head examined.

[shaarona]

The thing about name calling is that what matters is if the name fits. In your case, it does.



Travelling somewhere does not make you any more or less knowledgable, which is evidenced by your moronic posts throughout this forum.

I am sure you have gone to a hospital many times. Did those travels make you a doctor? You may have gone to court before. Did going to court make you a lawyer?

Spare us all your condescending drivel. "Oh, I took a plane somewhere so I know everything and you should listen." LOL!! What a crock of crap. You don't know squat. Your posts are inane and ignorant.

Have you ever seen core samples from deep drilling? Have you ever been to Byblos or Baalbeck or Jericho?

If you had, you might give more thought to the sciences of geology, archeology or plate tectonics.

Do you know what the African Rift is or have you ever studied how old it is of how far north it runs to the Dead Sea in Palestine?

Your penchant for name calling simply indicates you have a limited vocabulary and an inferiorty complex.. Education puts your ego at risk.

[Stuck_In_California]

Have you ever seen core samples from deep drilling? Have you ever been to Byblos or Baalbeck or Jericho?........

One more time for the slow of learning:

Travelling somewhere does not make you any more or less knowledgable, which is evidenced by your moronic posts throughout this forum. I am sure you have gone to a hospital many times. Did those travels make you a doctor? You may have gone to court before. Did going to court make you a lawyer?

Guess what: I have never been to the moon, but I know I can't breath there. I have never been to the deepest depths of the ocean, but I know I can't exist there. I have never been to the sun, but I know I'd burn up there.

Quit asking me where I've been; its a stupid moronic question.

[AZFlyFisher]

One more time for the slow of learning:

Travelling somewhere does not make you any more or less knowledgable, which is evidenced by your moronic posts throughout this forum. I am sure you have gone to a hospital many times. Did those travels make you a doctor? You may have gone to court before. Did going to court make you a lawyer?

Guess what: I have never been to the moon, but I know I can't breath there. I have never been to the deepest depths of the ocean, but I know I can't exist there. I have never been to the sun, but I know I'd burn up there.

Quit asking me where I've been; its a stupid moronic question.

Your analogies suck.

[Stuck_In_California]

One more time for the slow of learning:

Travelling somewhere does not make you any more or less knowledgable, which is evidenced by your moronic posts throughout this forum. I am sure you have gone to a hospital many times. Did those travels make you a doctor? You may have gone to court before. Did going to court make you a lawyer?

Guess what: I have never been to the moon, but I know I can't breath there. I have never been to the deepest depths of the ocean, but I know I can't exist there. I have never been to the sun, but I know I'd burn up there.

Quit asking me where I've been; its a stupid moronic question.


Your analogies suck.

And I assume that "sucking" is your forte'

[shaarona]

One more time for the slow of learning:

Travelling somewhere does not make you any more or less knowledgable, which is evidenced by your moronic posts throughout this forum. I am sure you have gone to a hospital many times. Did those travels make you a doctor? You may have gone to court before. Did going to court make you a lawyer?

Guess what: I have never been to the moon, but I know I can't breath there. I have never been to the deepest depths of the ocean, but I know I can't exist there. I have never been to the sun, but I know I'd burn up there.

Quit asking me where I've been; its a stupid moronic question.

Of course travel and education are important.. They encourage a person to THINK rather than name call.

[Stuck_In_California]

Of course travel and education are important.. They encourage a person to THINK rather than name call.

Well, you don't think, and you do name-call, so your post is stupid.

[Captain Obvious]

Everyone wave buh-bye to SiC.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgh_BX93X5AWdTbOTzIpzyNH2ehXHvt V01GgOh-8zLkodmll26

[shaarona]

Everyone wave buh-bye to SiC.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgh_BX93X5AWdTbOTzIpzyNH2ehXHvt V01GgOh-8zLkodmll26

Oops.............

[Calypso Jones]

well at least SIC is a patriot and not a muslim supporting kaffir.

[shaarona]

well at least SIC is a patriot and not a muslim supporting kaffir.

Supporting peace between people of different faiths is meaningful to the tens of thousands of American Christians who have lived and worked in the Arab world.

Have you ever looked up the definition of Kaffir?

[roadmaster]

Supporting peace between people of different faiths is meaningful to the tens of thousands of American Christians who have lived and worked in the Arab world.

Have you ever looked up the definition of Kaffir?

I work with Muslims here and I know two families that fled from Egypt. Can we live together without the extremist yes.

[Calypso Jones]

Supporting peace between people of different faiths is meaningful to the tens of thousands of American Christians who have lived and worked in the Arab world.

Have you ever looked up the definition of Kaffir?

I'll bet you know what it is.

[shaarona]

I work with Muslims here and I know two families that fled from Egypt. Can we live together without the extremist yes.

Of course we can.. There are 40,000 Americans in Saudi Arabia today.

[shaarona]

I'll bet you know what it is.

Fixating on a single word is not constructive. Christians, Jews and Muslims understand the epic myths of the Abrahamic religions and have no conflict with science. The key seems to be education.

At KAUST.. King Abdulaziz Center for Science and Technology, they have very sophisticated interactive exhibits that explain the development of the the African Rift and the movement of the East African Plate .... underneath each is a small brass plaque with a creation verse from the Koran.

[AZFlyFisher]

ha ha

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