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Cigar
06-15-2012, 12:05 PM
President Obama sometimes forgets that an important speech does not have to be endless. On Thursday, appearing before supporters at a Cleveland community college (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/us/politics/obama-speech-seeks-to-assert-stark-choice-for-voters.html?hp), he spent 53 minutes on the stark contrast between his goals and the failed Bush-era policies that Mitt Romney is trying to resurrect. It’s hard to imagine that the speech (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/14/remarks-president-economy-cleveland-oh), overgrown as it was with policy details, won the hearts of many independent voters yearning for a clear understanding of how much is at stake in November.

That doesn’t mean that the principal point Mr. Obama made on Thursday isn’t worth considerable repetition: There is no meaningful difference between the trickle-down economics of George W. Bush, rejected by the country in 2008, and the plans supported by Mr. Romney and his Republican allies in Congress. All the elements are there, from the slavish devotion to tax cuts for the rich, to a contempt for government regulation, to savage cutbacks in programs for those at the bottom.

“If you want to give the policies of the last decade another try, then you should vote for Mr. Romney,” he said. “You should take them at their word, and they will take America down this path. And Mr. Romney is qualified to deliver on that plan.”

Mr. Romney, in fact, helped reinforce the president’s point with his own speech (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/romney-says-obama-oratory-failes-to-deliver/?hp) minutes before, in which he denounced virtually all forms of regulation, from ones cleaning the air to those preventing banks from engaging in the same destructive behavior that produced the Great Recession on Mr. Bush’s watch. If only the government would get out of the way, he suggested, and stop trying to cover those without health insurance, or keep the groundwater clean, then jobs would magically reappear.

Of course, that didn’t happen when Mr. Bush tried it; painfully slow job growth was followed by a recession that shed nine million jobs. The proposals made by Mr. Obama in Cleveland are more likely to put people back to work: invest more money in education, job training and rebuilding infrastructure. Focus more on developing new energy sources than pulling globe-warming coal from the ground. Lower the deficit through higher taxes on the rich, which could lead to a pact to cut spending responsibly.

The Republican recalcitrance on taxes has led to a Washington stalemate that the president referred to eight times in his speech, saying it can be broken only by the voters. But Mr. Obama’s re-election cannot, by itself, end the impasse. It is once his opponents’ free-market ideas are fully seen to be bankrupt that Congress will either change or begin acting in the country’s interest. Breaking the grip of these ideas truly is, as Mr. Obama said Thursday, “a make-or-break moment for America’s middle class.”

And it is there that Mr. Obama still has not made his case. Mr. Romney’s entire campaign rests on a foundation of short, utterly false sound bites. The stimulus failed. (Three million employed people beg to differ.) The auto bailout was a mistake. (Another million jobs.) Spending is out of control. (Spending growth is actually lower than under all modern Republican presidents.) He says these kinds of things so often that millions of Americans believe them to be the truth.


It is hard to challenge these lies with a well-reasoned-but-overlong speech — just as, in an odd juxtaposition, Mr. Obama failed to make his case for his Afghanistan policy in a speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/world/asia/text-obamas-speech-in-afghanistan.html) in May that was both too short and too shallow. The president has less than five months to find a way to make a vital message sink in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/opinion/the-political-contrast.html


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/mittromneynewpinocchiologo.jpg

Chris
06-15-2012, 12:12 PM
I think you're supposed to only post a couple paragraphs to comply with copyright. Just sayin'.

I read O's speech but beyond criticism of who came before and might after couldn't pick out any details of what his economic model is. Can you tell us?

Cigar
06-15-2012, 12:19 PM
I post the link to the story for the all the naysayers and denial experts ...

So if anyone wants to sue me ... tell them to contact my Legal Representative - Helen Waite :)

MMC
06-15-2012, 12:31 PM
But he knows the spending statement is a lie.....due to the bailouts. Seems this speech even the NY times is saying Obama has to find a way to get a vital message to sink in.

Clearly they didnt think this one did. :wink:

Peter1469
06-15-2012, 03:14 PM
Obama said that we needed the stimulus to prevent the unemployment from rising above 8%. Well, the stimulus failed spectacularly.

Chris
06-15-2012, 06:16 PM
Was hoping cigar could summarize O's plan, but thanks, Peter, looks like he's a demand-side stimulater which hasn't worked.

Peter1469
06-15-2012, 07:46 PM
Elementary, as you know Chris.

JohnAdams
06-15-2012, 11:19 PM
President Obama sometimes forgets that an important speech does not have to be endless. On Thursday, appearing before supporters at a Cleveland community college (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/us/politics/obama-speech-seeks-to-assert-stark-choice-for-voters.html?hp), he spent 53 minutes on the stark contrast between his goals and the failed Bush-era policies that Mitt Romney is trying to resurrect. It’s hard to imagine that the speech (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/14/remarks-president-economy-cleveland-oh), overgrown as it was with policy details, won the hearts of many independent voters yearning for a clear understanding of how much is at stake in November.

That doesn’t mean that the principal point Mr. Obama made on Thursday isn’t worth considerable repetition: There is no meaningful difference between the trickle-down economics of George W. Bush, rejected by the country in 2008, and the plans supported by Mr. Romney and his Republican allies in Congress. All the elements are there, from the slavish devotion to tax cuts for the rich, to a contempt for government regulation, to savage cutbacks in programs for those at the bottom.

“If you want to give the policies of the last decade another try, then you should vote for Mr. Romney,” he said. “You should take them at their word, and they will take America down this path. And Mr. Romney is qualified to deliver on that plan.”

Mr. Romney, in fact, helped reinforce the president’s point with his own speech (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/romney-says-obama-oratory-failes-to-deliver/?hp) minutes before, in which he denounced virtually all forms of regulation, from ones cleaning the air to those preventing banks from engaging in the same destructive behavior that produced the Great Recession on Mr. Bush’s watch. If only the government would get out of the way, he suggested, and stop trying to cover those without health insurance, or keep the groundwater clean, then jobs would magically reappear.

Of course, that didn’t happen when Mr. Bush tried it; painfully slow job growth was followed by a recession that shed nine million jobs. The proposals made by Mr. Obama in Cleveland are more likely to put people back to work: invest more money in education, job training and rebuilding infrastructure. Focus more on developing new energy sources than pulling globe-warming coal from the ground. Lower the deficit through higher taxes on the rich, which could lead to a pact to cut spending responsibly.

The Republican recalcitrance on taxes has led to a Washington stalemate that the president referred to eight times in his speech, saying it can be broken only by the voters. But Mr. Obama’s re-election cannot, by itself, end the impasse. It is once his opponents’ free-market ideas are fully seen to be bankrupt that Congress will either change or begin acting in the country’s interest. Breaking the grip of these ideas truly is, as Mr. Obama said Thursday, “a make-or-break moment for America’s middle class.”

And it is there that Mr. Obama still has not made his case. Mr. Romney’s entire campaign rests on a foundation of short, utterly false sound bites. The stimulus failed. (Three million employed people beg to differ.) The auto bailout was a mistake. (Another million jobs.) Spending is out of control. (Spending growth is actually lower than under all modern Republican presidents.) He says these kinds of things so often that millions of Americans believe them to be the truth.


It is hard to challenge these lies with a well-reasoned-but-overlong speech — just as, in an odd juxtaposition, Mr. Obama failed to make his case for his Afghanistan policy in a speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/world/asia/text-obamas-speech-in-afghanistan.html) in May that was both too short and too shallow. The president has less than five months to find a way to make a vital message sink in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/opinion/the-political-contrast.html


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/mittromneynewpinocchiologo.jpg

Note the red,bold, underlined, this is the entire point of the piece. :)

THE OBAMA has yet to find a way, to put forth policy, or a message which resonates with the American people, and which is the truth for a change.

Now note the green text, THE OBAMA is once again dead wrong.

Congress will only begin acting in the nations best interest, when Congress has been cleaned of the liberal infestation currently in it, and replaced with members who will adhere too and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

Note the period liberals.

Trinnity
06-15-2012, 11:23 PM
Just like the spin in the OP, Obama is one great big mess of FAKE.

MMC
06-16-2012, 09:18 AM
Yeah I thought it was funny he picked the piece by the NY Times saying Obama needs to find a vital message. Gonna need a bigger one now that he just went around Congress again. :angry:

coolwalker
06-19-2012, 04:19 PM
Cool, keep attacking Bush.it doesn't matter that he isn't running and hasn't been there for almost 4 years.

Obama keeps putting out ads attacking Romney and Romney is keeping to the high ground just stating what he will do to correct the problems Obama started. Hopefully he will do some attacking too, but all during the debates where Obama can't hide or run from the truth.

Mainecoons
06-19-2012, 05:53 PM
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Cigar
06-19-2012, 06:07 PM
Cool, keep attacking Bush.it doesn't matter that he isn't running and hasn't been there for almost 4 years.

Obama keeps putting out ads attacking Romney and Romney is keeping to the high ground just stating what he will do to correct the problems Obama started. Hopefully he will do some attacking too, but all during the debates where Obama can't hide or run from the truth.

Well ... neither has Jimmy Carter. :)

Ooops .. by bad ... that's obviously different.

Next!

Mainecoons
06-19-2012, 06:34 PM
Funny, I don't remember Reagan whining about Carter three years after the former was elected. Could you post some links that refute this?

You forgot to say thanks for that picture I posted just for you, Cigar. Is this person a relative of yours?