Liberals: ISIS is very Un-Islamic.

[Reason10]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/02/04/liberals_isis_is_very_un_islamic


ZAKARIA: Yeah, well, we recognize... Look, ISIS, is not really about Islam or religion. This is a very... I mean, this is a barbarous thing to do and a violation of any kind of humanity, but it's also very un-Islamic. It doesn't follow any precepts of Islam. And so they claim to be Islamic. No! They're a band of thugs.

RUSH: A band of thugs; they're not Islamic. See, that's gonna be the running theme throughout all of this. They're calling themselves the Islamist State, but they're not Islamists, and they're not a state. They're just "a bunch of thugs." Well, we know they're not Christians, and we know that they're not Catholics, and we know they're not Buddhists, and now they're not Islamists. What are they? Just a bunch of renegade thugs?


And you wonder why everyone thinks liberals are ignorant douchebags.

[Cigar]

:rollseyes:

[Common Sense]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

[Captain Obvious]

Rush: Tending his pastures for his flock for decades.

Got food insurance?

:biglaugh:

[Captain Obvious]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

That's the thing about Rush, he'll never be put into a position to defend his hypocrisy.

No caller would get past screening with a question like that nor will he bring up that comparison himself.

And his audience sure as hell isn't smart enough to think outside of the lines.

[Common Sense]

http://www.goodrushbadrush.com/grbr.jpg

[Common Sense]

That's the thing about Rush, he'll never be put into a position to defend his hypocrisy.

No caller would get past screening with a question like that nor will he bring up that comparison himself.

And his audience sure as hell isn't smart enough to think outside of the lines.

Some of the dumbest people I've ever met are Rush tards...this thread is a great example of that.

You'd think by this point they would be embarrassed to admit they listen to that idiot bloviate.

[Howey]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/02/04/liberals_isis_is_very_un_islamic



And you wonder why everyone thinks liberals are ignorant douchebags.

That's a true statement.

[Captain Obvious]

Some of the dumbest people I've ever met are Rush tards...this thread is a great example of that.

You'd think by this point they would be embarrassed to admit they listen to that idiot bloviate.

And they're unashamed about it, that's the best part. They have no clue they're doing it.

This is what happens when a society becomes fat, happy and lethargic. It dumbs down.

When we need shit, freezing, starving, being chased down by dinosaurs, riddled with mites and diseases - that's when we're on our toes and innovative and are forced to think and be practical.

It's a symptom of the universe, no doubt.

[Cigar]

That's a true statement.

Who is "they" that is getting painted with this broad brush?

I want some names.

[Captain Obvious]

This is why these members, the bottom feeding RWingnut Radio listeners would be happier over at Trinns where it's a bucket carrier circle-jerk.

[Captain Obvious]

Who is "they" that is getting painted with this broad brush?

I want some names.

You people

[PolWatch]

And they're unashamed about it, that's the best part. They have no clue they're doing it.

This is what happens when a society becomes fat, happy and lethargic. It dumbs down.

When we need shit, freezing, starving, being chased down by dinosaurs, riddled with mites and diseases - that's when we're on our toes and innovative and are forced to think and be practical.

It's a symptom of the universe, no doubt.

just speaking for me...I'll have a slice of Fat, Happy & lethargic...you can have the mites & disease (I don't want to be selfish)

[Mac-7]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

Not so.

Some Christians have been violent.

But Christ was a man of peace.

Mohammed murdered people.

[Common Sense]

Not so.

Some Christians have been violent.

But Christ was a man of peace.

Mohammed murdered people.

Oh really? Who did Mohamed murder?

Isn't Jesus God? Did God not kill anyone? Did God not order whole towns to be leveled? Did he not do that himself?

Both religions have a propensity for violence (it seems all religions do).

[Private Pickle]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/02/04/liberals_isis_is_very_un_islamic



And you wonder why everyone thinks liberals are ignorant douchebags.

The Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam. Every time a liberal says something with some sense this type of thing inevitably follows.

[Private Pickle]

Oh really? Who did Mohamed murder?

Isn't Jesus God? Did God not kill anyone? Did God not order whole towns to be leveled? Did he not do that himself?

Both religions have a propensity for violence (it seems all religions do).

Oh dude...

[Captain Obvious]

Oh really? Who did Mohamed murder?

Isn't Jesus God? Did God not kill anyone? Did God not order whole towns to be leveled? Did he not do that himself?

Both religions have a propensity for violence (it seems all religions do).

Apparently he raped children too.

All this stuff goes in one ear and out the other unless I hear it from a credible source.

[Common Sense]

Oh dude...

Duuude...

[Mac-7]

Oh really? Who did Mohamed murder?

Isn't Jesus God? Did God not kill anyone? Did God not order whole towns to be leveled? Did he not do that himself?

Both religions have a propensity for violence (it seems all religions do).

Mohammed commanded a military force that conquered unbelievers by the sword and either converted them or killed them.

Jesus is the Son of God but he is not God.

[Private Pickle]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

Except there are about 15-20 Westborough Baptists and they don't shoot people, burn people, chop people's heads off or take over vast swaths of land. Outside of that you're dead on.

[Captain Obvious]

Duuude...

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/24/245f01ad4aeefb81d4907e6181f51419883f82aaede00d480b a410e66258892f.jpg

[Peter1469]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

Not really. Westborough are asswipes, they aren't 7th century murderers.

[Common Sense]

Do these groups represent Christianity?

KKK

The Lords resistance Army

Army of God

Manipur

Tripura

[Captain Obvious]

Do these groups represent Christianity?

KKK

The Lords resistance Army

Army of God

Manipur

Tripura

Add the Catholic Church to that mix too

[Private Pickle]

Duuude...

Mohamed was a conqueror.... Either you had no idea of that or you have some weird definition of murder.

[Common Sense]

Mohammed commanded a military force that conquered unbelievers by the sword and either converted them or killed them.

Jesus is the Son of God but he is not God.

Not really up on your Christian theology, are you?

[Captain Obvious]

Mohamed was a conqueror.... Either you had no idea of that or you have some weird definition of murder.

I'm not saying being a conqueror is a good thing in anyway but it's not "murder" per se.

Just say he was a conqueror, why confusticate the issue.

[Captain Obvious]

Not really up on your Christian theology, are you?

He's the expert authority on his version, that I assure you.

[Private Pickle]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/24/245f01ad4aeefb81d4907e6181f51419883f82aaede00d480b a410e66258892f.jpg

As far as you go...

Does Wiki count as credible?



Traditional sources dictate Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad,[153] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Watt-encyc-online-160)[226] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Spellberg-233)[227] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Armstrong-234) with the marriage not being consummated (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consummate) until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old.[153] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Watt-encyc-online-160)[226] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Spellberg-233)[228] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Karen_Armstrong-235)[229] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Haykal-236)[230] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-237)[231] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-238)[232] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-239) She was therefore a virgin at marriage.[226] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Spellberg-233) A small number of modern Muslim writers have estimated her age between 12 and 24.[233] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-240)[234] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-241)[235] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-242)]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#Household

[Common Sense]

Mohamed was a conqueror.... Either you had no idea of that or you have some weird definition of murder.

Lots of people were conquerors.

Is war murdering? Were the Crusaders just murderers?

[Private Pickle]

I'm not saying being a conqueror is a good thing in anyway but it's not "murder" per se.

Just say he was a conqueror, why confusticate the issue.

He slaughtered the populates of every village he came across including Mecca.

But the comparison was to Jesus. The comparison is so incredibly ludicrous it's like comparing Alexander to Ghandi.

[Captain Obvious]

As far as you go...

Does Wiki count as credible?




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#Household

I generally consider Wiki credible.

And in our culture, sex with a minor (defined by our culture as under the age of 18) is generally frowned upon.

Brace yourself now, there are other cultures out there that don't define things the way we do.





...you ok?

[Common Sense]

As far as you go...

Does Wiki count as credible?




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#Household

Joseph married Mary at probably the age of 12...so...

[Captain Obvious]

He slaughtered the populates of every village he came across including Mecca.

But the comparison was to Jesus. The comparison is so incredibly ludicrous it's like comparing Alexander to Ghandi.

Who's comparing Mo to Jesus?

...beside the bucket bunch?

That's neither here nor there, I'm more interested in correctly defining Mo historically and I think the RW bedshitting is just that.

[Private Pickle]

Lots of people were conquerors.

Is war murdering? Were the Crusaders just murderers?

Did Jesus lead the Crusades and yes...any war in the name of any religion is murder plain and simple because it's only an excuse for whatever the real goal is.

[Private Pickle]

Who's comparing Mo to Jesus?

...beside the bucket bunch?

That's neither here nor there, I'm more interested in correctly defining Mo historically and I think the RW bedshitting is just that.

Common did... Wiki is right-wing bedshitting?

[Common Sense]

Did Jesus lead the Crusades and yes...any war in the name of any religion is murder plain and simple because it's only an excuse for whatever the real goal is.

So it's clear that both religions have had people murder in the name of them.

Nothing new here...

[Common Sense]

Common did... Wiki is right-wing bedshitting?

Mac did...

[Mac-7]

Not really up on your Christian theology, are you?

I think I am.

Jesus never practiced or preached violence.

mohammed did.

[Mac-7]

So it's clear that both religions have had people murder in the name of them.

Nothing new here...

But only islam had the founder of the religion commit murder in his own name.

Mohammad was just a common war lord.

[Captain Obvious]

Common did... Wiki is right-wing bedshitting?

I dunno - is it?

I never said it was.

[Captain Obvious]

So it's clear that both religions have had people murder in the name of them.

Nothing new here...

But theirs is more dastardly than ours...

:biglaugh:

Moving on now, nothing to see here, that's for sure.

[Private Pickle]

I'm not saying being a conqueror is a good thing in anyway but it's not "murder" per se.

Just say he was a conqueror, why confusticate the issue.

Becaue its its common knowledge. I was shocked he wasn't aware...

[Private Pickle]

I dunno - is it?

I never said it was.

Well I gave you a source backing up the fact that Mohammed was a pedophile. Was wondering if it wasn't conservative enough for you.

[Common Sense]

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[Private Pickle]

But theirs is more dastardly than ours...

:biglaugh:

Moving on now, nothing to see here, that's for sure.

An undeniable fact today.

[Captain Obvious]

Well I gave you a source backing up the fact that Mohammed was a pedophile. Was wondering if it wasn't conservative enough for you.

I guess you didn't brace hard enough for the reply comment.

That's ok, no biggie.

[Common Sense]

Well I gave you a source backing up the fact that Mohammed was a pedophile. Was wondering if it wasn't conservative enough for you.

As was Joseph...as were basically all men back then. Child brides were common.

[Private Pickle]

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Absolutely. Then Jesus amassed his followers and burned Jeruselem to the ground killing everyone in it....oh wait...

[Captain Obvious]

As was Joseph...as were basically all men back then. Child brides were common.

but... but...

:biglaugh:

I was hoping some of the scholars would chime in but sadly this will just continue to be a piss fest.

[Common Sense]

Absolutely. Then Jesus amassed his followers and burned Jeruselem to the ground killing everyone in it....oh wait...

It took some time for Christianity to gain in popularity and power. Then they did a shit ton of killing in his name and his honor.

[Green Arrow]

It took some time for Christianity to gain in popularity and power. Then they did a shit ton of killing in his name and his honor.

The killing wasn't religiously motivated, it was political. Religion was just used as a cover to keep the people going along with it.

[Private Pickle]

As was Joseph...as were basically all men back then. Child brides were common.

What did Joseph have to do with anything? You want to start cherry picking characters from the Koran and Bible as examples of the argument that Jesus was basically the same as Mohammed? We can do that but I will win and you know it.

While child brides were common, a child was generally considered ready when she menstruated. Back then it happened much later in life than it does now. 14-16 generally.

9 years old is pushing it even for those days and he had 13 wives.

[Common Sense]

The killing wasn't religiously motivated, it was political. Religion was just used as a cover to keep the people going along with it.

That's a theory. But to truly know the motivations of the people is impossible. Not to mention, that same rationale can be used today to explain ISIS.

[Private Pickle]

The killing wasn't religiously motivated, it was political. Religion was just used as a cover to keep the people going along with it.

This.

[Mac-7]

but... but...

:biglaugh:

I was hoping some of the scholars would chime in but sadly this will just continue to be a piss fest.

Im not a Bible authority but the age of Mary when Jesus was born is not specified.

Best guess by real a Bible scholars is 15-16.

But since Joseph was not the father the question is academic.

[Private Pickle]

It took some time for Christianity to gain in popularity and power. Then they did a shit ton of killing in his name and his honor.

The difference being Jesus was long dead. Mohamed lead the killing in his name and honor and secondarily Islam's.

The the two are simply polar opposites.

[Common Sense]

What did Joseph have to do with anything? You want to start cherry picking characters from the Koran and Bible as examples of the argument that Jesus was basically the same as Mohammed? We can do that but I will win and you know it.

While child brides were common, a child was generally considered ready when she menstruated. Back then it happened much later in life than it does now. 14-16 generally.

9 years old is pushing it even for those days and he had 13 wives.

It was also quite common to be married long before consummating the marriage.

I never said Jesus was the same as Mohamed.

[Mac-7]

It took some time for Christianity to gain in popularity and power. Then they did a $#@! ton of killing in his name and his honor.

Not Jesus.

Jesus was clear about embracing peace and non-violence.

Mohammed was a man of violence who set the example for the islams who came along after.

[Common Sense]

Im not a Bible authority but the age of Mary when Jesus was born is not specified.

Best guess by real a Bible scholars is 15-16.

But since Joseph was not the father the question is academic.

Oh yeah...immaculate conception. Somebody was a pedo in that scenario.

[Mister D]

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Exegesis is not your forte.

[Private Pickle]

but... but...

:biglaugh:

I was hoping some of the scholars would chime in but sadly this will just continue to be a piss fest.

I don't consider this a piss fest... Bringing up random bible characters to validate a point is disingenuous but not a piss fest.

[Mac-7]

Oh yeah...immaculate conception. Somebody was a pedo in that scenario.

Yes, Jesus was the Son of God.

[Common Sense]

Exegesis is not your forte.

Quoting the bible is like blowing a dog whistle for you...

[Mister D]

I don't consider this a piss fest... Bringing up random bible characters to validate a point is disingenuous but not a piss fest.

Common Sense is an expert on Christianity.

[Common Sense]

Yes, Jesus was the Son of God.

Ask Mr. D to explain the trinity to you.

[Common Sense]

Common Sense is an expert on Christianity.

No, you're the expert.

[Mister D]

Quoting the bible is like blowing a dog whistle for you...

Kinda like racial remarks and a certain Canadian religious scholar.

[Mister D]

No, you're the expert.

In relative terms, certainly.

[Private Pickle]

Oh really? Who did Mohamed murder?

Isn't Jesus God? Did God not kill anyone? Did God not order whole towns to be leveled? Did he not do that himself?

Both religions have a propensity for violence (it seems all religions do).

Is this not a direct comparison to Jesus with Mohammed?

[Common Sense]

Is this not a direct comparison to Jesus with Mohammed?

Re read the thread and who I was responding to...he made the comparison.

[Mister D]

Is this not a direct comparison to Jesus with Mohammed?

Of course it is. Then when you tell him he's FOS you're getting "defensive". :rollseyes:

[Private Pickle]

Re read the thread and who I was responding to...he made the comparison.

So you are admitting that Jesus and Mohammed were complete opposites with completely different messages?

[Green Arrow]

That's a theory. But to truly know the motivations of the people is impossible. Not to mention, that same rationale can be used today to explain ISIS.

It's not just a theory, it's pretty obvious. And no, that same rationale cannot be used for ISIS.

[Private Pickle]

Of course it is. Then when you tell him he's FOS you're getting "defensive". :rollseyes:
Or it becomes a "piss fest" which allows an easy exit.

[Common Sense]

It's not just a theory, it's pretty obvious. And no, that same rationale cannot be used for ISIS.

It is a theory..or were you there? And yes, the same rationale can be used. In fact it's quite a good comparison, so thanks for that.

[Mister D]

It's not just a theory, it's pretty obvious. And no, that same rationale cannot be used for ISIS.

Right. I don't recall IRA gunmen dancing about in the blood of their victims praising Jesus.

[Common Sense]

Or it becomes a "piss fest" which allows an easy exit.

Here's who brought it up..


Not so.

Some Christians have been violent.

But Christ was a man of peace.

Mohammed murdered people.


No need to apologize.

[Mister D]

Here's who brought it up..




No need to apologize.

That's called a contrast not a comparison. No charge on that one.

[Private Pickle]

Here's who brought it up..




No need to apologize.

But he was right! You went on to compare how violent both were. You were wrong...Mac was right... You probably need to go take a shower right about now...

[Archer0915]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

Are you sure it is not that they are Islam and those against them are not? They follow Mo-Ham_Mads example.

[Mac-7]

Here's who brought it up..

No need to apologize.

You were comparing Christians to Muslims.

And I reminded you that Christians who murder people are not living up to the example of Jesus but Isis and other Muslim wackos are doing what Mohammed told them to do.

[Green Arrow]

It is a theory..or were you there? And yes, the same rationale can be used. In fact it's quite a good comparison, so thanks for that.

No, it's a pretty terrible comparison, because there's nothing remotely political about what ISIS is doing.

[Common Sense]

Don't get me wrong...I'm no fan of Islam. I think it's a horse shit religion based on idiocy and the worshiping of a fictional character. It's book is filled with misogyny and violence. I just happen to feel the same way about Christianity.

[Common Sense]

No, it's a pretty terrible comparison, because there's nothing remotely political about what ISIS is doing.

Oh of course not...trying to establish a country isn't political in any way. Clearly nothing like the crusades at all.

[Mac-7]

Don't get me wrong...I'm no fan of Islam. I think it's a horse $#@! religion based on idiocy and the worshiping of a fictional character. It's book is filled with misogyny and violence. I just happen to feel the same way about Christianity.

Thats ok.

i don't care if you find Jesus or not.

I should, but I don't.

but practically speaking when you and the chickenhawk golfer in chief equate Christians who did bad things 1,000 years ago with Muslims raping, beheading and burning people alive TODAY you are really on the wrong track.

[Common Sense]

Thats ok.

i don't care if you find Jesus or not.

I should, but I don't.

but practically speaking when you and the chickenhawk golfer in chief equate Christians who did bad things 1,000 years ago with Muslims raping, beheading and burning people alive TODAY you are really on the wrong track.

When you malign an entire religion that consists of 1.6 billion people based on the action of a few...you're not exactly very Christ like...nor are you being intelligent.

You may think you've found Jesus...but you're doing it wrong.

[Private Pickle]

When you malign an entire religion that consists of 1.6 billion people based on the action of a few...you're not exactly very Christ like...nor are you being intelligent.

You may think you've found Jesus...but you're doing it wrong.

"Actions of a few"?

How many?

[Mister D]

Don't get me wrong...I'm no fan of Islam. I think it's a horse $#@! religion based on idiocy and the worshiping of a fictional character. It's book is filled with misogyny and violence. I just happen to feel the same way about Christianity.


Yes, that comes across quite clearly but you're like "huh, what?" when people notice and respond. Don't do that. It just makes it even more obnoxious.

[Green Arrow]

Oh of course not...trying to establish a country isn't political in any way. Clearly nothing like the crusades at all.

No, it wasn't. The crusades weren't about establishing new countries, they were about expanding territory of existing countries, resources, and maintaining a strategic foothold in Muslim territory to better halt their advances into Europe.

[Green Arrow]

When you malign an entire religion that consists of 1.6 billion people based on the action of a few...you're not exactly very Christ like...nor are you being intelligent.

You may think you've found Jesus...but you're doing it wrong.

Irony alert.

[Private Pickle]

When you malign an entire religion that consists of 1.6 billion people based on the action of a few...you're not exactly very Christ like...nor are you being intelligent.

You may think you've found Jesus...but you're doing it wrong.

But you maligned both of the religions... So by your logic you're not being intelligent. In addition given your perception of Jesus as a man of violence I would say you're no authority on "doing it wrong".

[Mac-7]

When you malign an entire religion that consists of 1.6 billion people based on the action of a few...you're not exactly very Christ like...nor are you being intelligent.

You may think you've found Jesus...but you're doing it wrong.

It more than just a few.

There are million engaged directly and indirectly in jihad.

[The Xl]

As far as murders in religions name goes.....

While the wars we wage today are certainly not for religious purposes, many of our people support it because of religious beliefs, our government knows this and plays it up.

Christianity and Judaism are two reasons why America gets away with its wars of aggression and foreign policy in general

[Mac-7]

But you maligned both of the religions... So by your logic you're not being intelligent. In addition given your perception of Jesus as a man of violence I would say you're no authority on "doing it wrong".


Good post

[Common Sense]

But you maligned both of the religions... So by your logic you're not being intelligent. In addition given your perception of Jesus as a man of violence I would say you're no authority on "doing it wrong".

I'm not judging the actions of either group. I'm just saying I don't like any religion in general. It's not a judgement on its adherents. There are plenty of good and bad on both side, in any religion.

[Common Sense]

It mare than just a few.

There are million engaged directly and indirectly in jihad.

You just pulled that out of your ass...

[Private Pickle]

I'm not judging the actions of either group. I'm just saying I don't like any religion in general. It's not a judgement on its adherents. There are plenty of good and bad on both side, in any religion.

Liking or not liking is a judgement call.

[Captain Obvious]

For a garbage, hack flamebait thread it sure turned into a half decent discussion.

Half indecent too, but take the good with the bad.

[Private Pickle]

You just pulled that out of your ass...

I believe his estimate to be low. I believe it to be in the tens of millions and potentially into the hundreds.

[Archer0915]

One can not compare the actions of the two faiths unless one admits that Islam is still in the middle ages (stone ages?). They still have the mentality held by less socially evolved and aware hominids.

[The Xl]

One can not compare the actions of the two faiths unless one admits that Islam is still in the middle ages (stone ages?). They still have the mentality held by less socially evolved and aware hominids.

Sure, they're barbaric, but it's not like America and other countries aren't icing innocents either. And say what you will, religion plays a part in that. There is a strong Jewish lobby in the US, and many Christians support them as well, so their is a link between those religions and the actions we take that result in murders.

[Common Sense]

I believe his estimate to be low. I believe it to be in the tens of millions and potentially into the hundreds.

They're everywhere. There's probably a few in your neighborhood...maybe some under your bed. You go check. I'll wait here.

[Archer0915]

Sure, they're barbaric, but it's not like America and other countries aren't icing innocents either. And say what you will, religion plays a part in that. There is a strong Jewish lobby in the US, and many Christians support them as well, so their is a link between those religions and the actions we take that result in murders.

Oh but we do it in the name of money!

[The Xl]

Oh but we do it in the name of money!

Of course it's about money, but the they sell religion as a reason to the public to get support

[Green Arrow]

As far as murders in religions name goes.....

While the wars we wage today are certainly not for religious purposes, many of our people support it because of religious beliefs, our government knows this and plays it up.

Christianity and Judaism are two reasons why America gets away with its wars of aggression and foreign policy in general

Christianity to a degree, but that's really only for support of Israel (which is bizarre, because Christianity had nothing to do with Israel until the evangelical eschatologists of the 1970s). The leadership of Israel is by and large secular Jews, and most American Jews these days are secular.

[The Xl]

Christianity to a degree, but that's really only for support of Israel (which is bizarre, because Christianity had nothing to do with Israel until the evangelical eschatologists of the 1970s). The leadership of Israel is by and large secular Jews, and most American Jews these days are secular.

They may be secular, but they certainly use their religion as a way the play the victim and get the American Jews and Christians juices flowing.

Their is a massive Christian and Jewish handprint in our foreign policy, and in that sense, it's not totally different than the murders attributed to Muslims.

[Archer0915]

They may be secular, but they certainly use their religion as a way the play the victim and get the American Jews and Christians juices flowing.

Their is a massive Christian and Jewish handprint in our foreign policy, and in that sense, it's not totally different than the murders attributed to Muslims.

Here is the deal. We are us and they are not. they are the enemy and we do not give a fuck what we do or have done. they are a threat and need to be eliminated. We will blame their faith because that is what they claim. they want liberal pity and at this point liberals are excusing everything Islam. It is pissing non-Islamic people the fuck off.

[Common Sense]

Here is the deal. We are us and they are not. they are the enemy and we do not give a fuck what we do or have done. they are a threat and need to be eliminated. We will blame their faith because that is what they claim. they want liberal pity and at this point liberals are excusing everything Islam. It is pissing non-Islamic people the fuck off.

Who is "they"? All 1.6 billion Muslims? They are your enemy?

[The Xl]

Here is the deal. We are us and they are not. they are the enemy and we do not give a fuck what we do or have done. they are a threat and need to be eliminated. We will blame their faith because that is what they claim. they want liberal pity and at this point liberals are excusing everything Islam. It is pissing non-Islamic people the fuck off.

They're our enemy because of our retarded fucking foreign policy over the last half century plus.

The rest of my point stands.

[Mac-7]

You just pulled that out of your ass...

If you don't know that millions of muslims support radical islam then you haven't been paying attention.

and my guess is maybe a billion Muslims find jihad acceptable even if the have no wish to be suicide bombers themselves.

[texan]

My only experience with Islam is violence. If they are not for this then why do I not hear them in masses going after these people? Why do I see them parading and cheering in the streets when an American is killed? Just curious. Is the Jordanian King an Islamist? Went back to his country and hung two people and then went on a murdering/bombing/get even spree? Is that what Islam taught him?

[Common Sense]

If you don't know that millions of muslims support radical islam then you haven't been paying attention.

and my guess is maybe a billion Muslims find jihad acceptable even if the have no wish to be suicide bombers themselves.

Guess being the key word...

[Mac-7]

Guess being the key word...

Everything you say about their violence or peaceful nature is just someone else's guess/opinion.

I'm just honest enough to admit that I think for myself.

[Polecat]

Common Sense. The sword you misquoted Jesus as bringing rather than peace is demonstrated quit literally in this thread. There is no documentation of any kind as to what age Mary was so you're just making stuff up there. As for the rest of your comments, they reflect a profound confusion over what a church is as opposed to the people that practice a faith. There are more Christians that behave as heathens than actually follow the teachings of Christ. There are more Muslims that behave in like fashion. People do not need religion or a church to practice evil. It comes naturally to us. Using the church or religion as a weapon is most understandable however.

[Mac-7]

Islam was founded by a man who practiced violence.

Not all Muslims are violent.

But enough are out of 1.6 billion to be a real threat to world peace and stability.

[Common Sense]

@Common Sense (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1085). The sword you misquoted Jesus as bringing rather than peace is demonstrated quit literally in this thread. There is no documentation of any kind as to what age Mary was so you're just making stuff up there. As for the rest of your comments, they reflect a profound confusion over what a church is as opposed to the people that practice a faith. There are more Christians that behave as heathens than actually follow the teachings of Christ. There are more Muslims that behave in like fashion. People do not need religion or a church to practice evil. It comes naturally to us. Using the church or religion as a weapon is most understandable however.

There is no documentation of Mohamed's wife's age as well. Both assumptions are based on the practices of the age. In both instances and cultures, child brides were common.

[Polecat]

There is no documentation of Mohamed's wife's age as well. Both assumptions are based on the practices of the age. In both instances and cultures, child brides were common.

The Koran documents the exploits of Mohammad in far more detail than you give it credit for.

[Common Sense]

The Koran documents the exploits of Mohammad in far more detail than you give it credit for.

So tell me how old the Koran tells us his wives were. His first wife was in her 40's...

[Polecat]

So tell me how old the Koran tells us his wives were. His first wife was in her 40's...

Yes, and he was 25.

[Common Sense]

Yes, and he was 25.

Yeah...and where does it say he had sex with a child?

[Captain Obvious]

Yes, and he was 25.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LVexao85OJM/UMHrkScorsI/AAAAAAAA_3U/72AJ7sVN_tg/s640/Meme+0234.jpg

[Polecat]

http://quran.com/images/ayat/3_84.png

[Common Sense]

Ummm, what?

[protectionist]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.

Upon WHAT do you base that statement (about ISIS) ? Or are you OK with just throwing baseless statements around ?

[protectionist]

Islam was founded by a man who practiced violence.

Not all Muslims are violent.

But enough are out of 1.6 billion to be a real threat to world peace and stability.

It only took 19 of them to enact the 9/11 attacks. It only took 1 for Fort Hood.

[Green Arrow]

It only took 19 of them to enact the 9/11 attacks. It only took 1 for Fort Hood.

Well, that and an incompetent U.S. government.

[Private Pickle]

Yeah. I would run away from this argument too if I were you.

[protectionist]

When you malign an entire religion that consists of 1.6 billion people based on the action of a few...you're not exactly very Christ like...nor are you being intelligent.

You may think you've found Jesus...but you're doing it wrong.

If you really buy into the SCAM of Islam being a religion, then you're even dumber than I thought.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were expousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform. And it spread only because marauding Muslims killed 270 million people to spread it. And by far, most "Muslims" living today are that only because their ancestors were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call themselves a Muslim.

[Captain Obvious]

http://quran.com/images/ayat/3_84.png

I think that says "three rings for elven kings under the skies, seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone, nine for mortal men doomed to die..."

[Common Sense]

I thought it was a knock knock joke.

[Captain Obvious]

I thought it was a knock knock joke.

Knock knock

Who's there?

Mohammad

Mohammad who?

Mohammad another beer before last call.

[protectionist]

Knock knock

Who's there?

Mohammad

Mohammad who?

Mohammad another beer before last call.

Minus 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. :rolleyes20:

[protectionist]

Yeah...and where does it say he had sex with a child?

Are you talking about Mo the Pedophile ?

[Common Sense]

Are you talking about Mo the Pedophile ?

No, I'm not talking about you.

[protectionist]

They're our enemy because of our retarded $#@!ing foreign policy over the last half century plus.

The rest of my point stands.

NONSENSE! Nutjob Muslims have been the enemy of the entire sane world for 1400 years. During that time, they've killed 270 million people around the world. What we're seeing now is just a continuation of all that, and it is a drop in the bucket. The US foreign policy excuse has been buried for years. Pathetic, some of the stuff you hear around here.

[protectionist]

No, I'm not talking about you.

You're talking about Mo the Pedophile.

[Common Sense]

You're talking about Mo the Pedophile.

You shouldn't reveal private information about yourself on a public forum. Just sayin...

[The Xl]

NONSENSE! Nutjob Muslims have been the enemy of the entire sane world for 1400 years. During that time, they've killed 270 million people around the world. What we're seeing now is just a continuation of all that, and it is a drop in the bucket. The US foreign policy excuse has been buried for years. Pathetic, some of the stuff you hear around here.

What were they doing to us in the past 200 or so years prior to our post WW2 meddling?

I'll wait.

[protectionist]

What were they doing to us in the past 200 or so years prior to our post WW2 meddling?

I'll wait.

What WW2 "meddling" ? In WWII, Muslims fought with the Nazis.

[The Xl]

What WW2 "meddling" ? In WWII, Muslims fought with the Nazis.

Yeh, and Nazi Germany was mostly Protestant and Catholic, ergo, we were at war with those religions, as well, no? Seems you didn't think that one through.

We had no terrorist attacks or anything of the like until post WW2 when we supported Israel and starting meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.

[Common Sense]

What WW2 "meddling" ? In WWII, Muslims fought with the Nazis.

Ummm, many Indian Muslims fought along side the British in WW1 and WW2...

http://metro.co.uk/2010/11/10/armistice-day-muslims-contribution-must-not-be-forgotten-577418/

[The Xl]

Ummm, many Indian Muslims fought along side the British in WW1 and WW2...

http://metro.co.uk/2010/11/10/armistice-day-muslims-contribution-must-not-be-forgotten-577418/

You also had Catholics.....fighting Catholics.

I'm sure he thought he made a brilliant point, but sad to say, it was merely a idiotic statement from someone who is insane.

[Peter1469]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by protectionist http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=950784#post950784)
You're talking about Mo the Pedophile.




You shouldn't reveal private information about yourself on a public forum. Just sayin...


Warning: if you two have some disagreement, PM each other about it.

[Mister D]

Ummm the Muslim contribution to Britain's war effort (in either war) was minuscule. Common, what you linked to is not "history". It's a diversity ad.

[Mister D]

What WW2 "meddling" ? In WWII, Muslims fought with the Nazis.

That's correct. In fact, Muslim sentiment world wide was overwhelmingly pro-Nazi in the Second World War.

[Captain Obvious]

That's correct. In fact, Muslim sentiment world wide was overwhelmingly pro-Nazi in the Second World War.

I'm guessing Hitler looked as Islam as a useful idiot though.

I seem to recall him saying something about giving them their territory but keeping them penned in after the war.

[PolWatch]

I'm guessing Hitler looked as Islam as a useful idiot though.

I seem to recall him saying something about giving them their territory but keeping them penned in after the war.

interesting...wonder if that had any influence on the creation of Israel.

[Common Sense]

That's correct. In fact, Muslim sentiment world wide was overwhelmingly pro-Nazi in the Second World War.

Worldwide huh? I think you mean (some) Arabs when you say Muslims.

[Mister D]

I'm guessing Hitler looked as Islam as a useful idiot though.

I seem to recall him saying something about giving them their territory but keeping them penned in after the war.

No, it's just that Arab Muslims knew that Germany (in both world wars) had no designs on the Middle East whereas the western liberals obviously did. The sheer hypocrisy of the western colonialists was clear to the Arabs so they appealed to Germany and were much more open to German overtures.

[Mister D]

Worldwide huh? I think you mean (some) Arabs when you say Muslims.

No, I mean worldwide. Overwhelmingly pro-Nazi. It's more than understandable.

[Mister D]

interesting...wonder if that had any influence on the creation of Israel.

Who? The Nazis?

[PolWatch]

No, it's just that Arab Muslims knew that Germany (in both world wars) had no designs on the Middle East whereas the western liberals obviously did. The sheer hypocrisy of the western colonialists was clear to the Arabs so they appealed to Germany and were much more open to German overtures.

do you think that their support of Germany had any influence on the creation of Israel....as in retaliation against the Arab nations?

[Common Sense]

No, I mean worldwide. Overwhelmingly pro-Nazi. It's more than understandable.

That's a load. There was division even among the Arabs when it came to siding with the Nazis.

Of course many Muslims did side with the Nazis because of their stance on Jews.

[Mister D]

do you think that their support of Germany had any influence on the creation of Israel....as in retaliation against the Arab nations?

No, I think that 1) Zionism was an influential force in Britain and 2) the Arabs knew it. Israel was also a way for Europe to get rid of a problem population.

[Mister D]

That's a load. There was division even among the Arabs when it came to siding with the Nazis.

Of course many Muslims did side with the Nazis because of their stance on Jews.

No, it was Germany's stance on the western imperial powers as well as communism and Zionism. The pro-Nazi Arab position was simply the logical one.

[Captain Obvious]

No, I think that 1) Zionism was an influential force in Britain and 2) the Arabs knew it. Israel was also a way for Europe to get rid of a problem population.

So then, in theory, France would be pro-Palastine.

[Mister D]

So then, in theory, France would be pro-Palastine.

France and Britain were the leading imperial powers although I'd say Zionism was much stronger in Britain.

[The Xl]

No, it's just that Arab Muslims knew that Germany (in both world wars) had no designs on the Middle East whereas the western liberals obviously did. The sheer hypocrisy of the western colonialists was clear to the Arabs so they appealed to Germany and were much more open to German overtures.
Which, if anything, bolsters the point that Muslim aggression towards us is due to our interventionist fp

[Mister D]

Which, if anything, bolsters the point that Muslim aggression towards us is due to our interventionist fp

Our aggression is more than strictly political. Americanism is an inescapable force in the post war world. I know many of you take issue with this but I'll say it again: many people find our way of life repulsive even when they are paradoxically attracted to it in some respects. It's not just our government. It's the way we live. Yes, the world is getting smaller and smaller but that's hardly the inevitable and positive process of liberal propaganda. There is a strong ideological component to it and globalization is recognized as the latter day vehicle of western, especially US, hegemony.

[Private Pickle]

Our aggression is more than strictly political. Americanism is an inescapable force in the post war world. I know many of you take issue with this but I'll say it again: many people find our way of life repulsive even when they are paradoxically attracted to it in some respects. It's not just our government. It's the way we live. Yes, the world is getting smaller and smaller but that's hardly the inevitable and positive process of liberal propaganda. There is a strong ideological component to it and globalization is recognized as the latter day vehicle of western, especially US, hegemony.

Excellent post.

[The Xl]

Our aggression is more than strictly political. Americanism is an inescapable force in the post war world. I know many of you take issue with this but I'll say it again: many people find our way of life repulsive even when they are paradoxically attracted to it in some respects. It's not just our government. It's the way we live. Yes, the world is getting smaller and smaller but that's hardly the inevitable and positive process of liberal propaganda. There is a strong ideological component to it and globalization is recognized as the latter day vehicle of western, especially US, hegemony.

Realistically, we have had a limited number of Muslim attacks, and there are plenty of opportunities to capitalize on if they actually had a strong enough will, see that nun who breached a power plants security. With that stated, it probably goes without saying that the murder and occupation of those people harbors more of their limited aggression then our lifestyle, it's the logical line of reasoning.

If it's an issue, it's the much smaller one. There is a much bigger reason for their anger, and even still, their aggression is lukewarm at best

[Mister D]

Realistically, we have had a limited number of Muslim attacks, and there are plenty of opportunities to capitalize on if they actually had a strong enough will, see that nun who breached a power plants security. With that stated, it probably goes without saying that the murder and occupation of those people harbors more of their limited aggression then our lifestyle, it's the logical line of reasoning.

If it's an issue, it's the much smaller one. There is a much bigger reason for their anger, and even still, their aggression is lukewarm at best

That it has taken the form of religious fundamentalism as opposed to nationalism etc. suggests otherwise. Their resistance is as much cultural as it is political not least because western/American methods of domination blend the two.

[Mister D]

Excellent post.

Danke

[Mister D]

@The Xl (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=865) this isn't to downplay the role that political intervention plays. I just think you're missing the big picture.

[hanger4]

@The Xl (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=865) this isn't to downplay the role that political intervention plays. I just think you're missing the big picture.

To put it simply, They don’t attack us for what we do. They attack us for who we are.

[Green Arrow]

To put it simply, They don’t attack us for what we do. They attack us for who we are.

Those two concepts are inseparable.

[Cigar]

Nobody wants to admit this: Saddam Hussein would be our ally against ISISHe was a secular dictator who hated Islamofascists and treated them ruthlessly.

Were he alive today, I think the US (be it Obama, Bush or whoever) would be relying on Saddam quite a bit against ISIS.

[Archer0915]

Nobody wants to admit this: Saddam Hussein would be our ally against ISISHe was a secular dictator who hated Islamofascists and treated them ruthlessly.

Were he alive today, I think the US (be it Obama, Bush or whoever) would be relying on Saddam quite a bit against ISIS.





Amen brudder! The thing people do not realize is the thing both liberals and conservatives will not admit... Some peoples just need a damn dicktater to keep their asses in line and to keep them from ISISing. The ME is full of dicktaters! Why? Bunch of fucking nut cases over there.

[Alyosha]

To put it simply, They don’t attack us for what we do. They attack us for who we are.

They attack us for both. We have assaulted their political systems with our letter agencies even when we are not overtly being aggressive militarily. On top of that we are exporting our culture which is incompatible with ours a "top down" assertive approach that is common of modern liberalism.

Because we believe everyone has a right to twerk while wearing a bikini against a man in a bear suit on television while making the Baphomet sign doesn't mean that everyone wants that the world over.

[PolWatch]

Such behavior seems to be very profitable for those posing in the bikinis, etc. I have to wonder if it would be that profitable if only liberals were the ones supporting such behavior.

[Alyosha]

Such behavior seems to be very profitable for those posing in the bikinis, etc. I have to wonder if it would be that profitable if only liberals were the ones supporting such behavior.

I don't use "liberal" as Democrat/progressive. I'm a liberal. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. I am speak of liberalism and yes, even the self-identified conservatives in the US are mostly liberals by the definition I use.

You couldn't throw a rock in the air today and hit a conservative. They are a limited and rare breed.

[Mister D]

I don't use "liberal" as Democrat/progressive. I'm a liberal. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. I am speak of liberalism and yes, even the self-identified conservatives in the US are mostly liberals by the definition I use.

You couldn't throw a rock in the air today and hit a conservative. They are a limited and rare breed.

Which is the original and most common definition of the term outside the US.

[Peter1469]

Nobody wants to admit this: Saddam Hussein would be our ally against ISISHe was a secular dictator who hated Islamofascists and treated them ruthlessly.

Were he alive today, I think the US (be it Obama, Bush or whoever) would be relying on Saddam quite a bit against ISIS.





There likely would have been no ISIL had Saddam be left in charge. Although we don't know what the Arab Spring would have done in Iraq.

[Redrose]

ISIS is to Islam as Westborough Baptists are to Christianity.

Neither are true representations of either faith.


That is an excellent analogy, and the Westborough loons are still referred to as"Christians". IS is a group of evil Muslims killing in the name of Islam. They're not Jews, they're not Christians, they're not Hindus, they are Muslims.

Even though they are a bastardization of the faith, the need to be identified as Islamic terrorists. It is what it is.