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Redrose
02-18-2015, 04:48 AM
(CBS NewYork) — After recent displays of almost unspeakable violence by Islamic State militants, a suggestion from the U.S. State Department about how to stop terrorists is raising eyebrows.
As CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported Tuesday, the statement was jaw-dropping to some. The State Department said the long-term solution to stopping ISIS (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/02/10/group-affiliated-with-isis-hacks-newsweeks-twitter-account/)in its tracks is to create jobs for members of the bloodthirsty terror group.
The State Department said jobs can help stop jihad. But at least one congressman called the idea absurd.“This is absolute insanity. We are at war with ISIS. You don’t win a war by a jobs program or by giving out more welfare,” said Rep. Peter King (R-Long Island) “This shows to me the basic misunderstanding, and really, ignorance, of the Obama administration.”
King was reacting to an assertion by State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf — speaking with Chris Matthews on MSNBC.
“We cannot win this war by killing them. We cannot kill our way out of this war,” Harf said. “We need, in the longer term — medium and longer term — to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups — whether it’s lack of opportunity for jobs.”

This is like a bad SNL skit, but sadly it's true.


Rep. Peter King Shocked At Claim That Jobs Program Can Stop ISIS ... (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/02/17/u-s-rep-terror-expert-shocked-at-state-dept-claim-that-jobs-program-can-stop-isis/)

newyork.cbslocal.com/.../u-s-rep-terror-expert-shocked-at-state-dept-claim-...

Common
02-18-2015, 05:48 AM
What!!!!!!!!!! Know what this is beyond stupid and theres no response other than whoevers created this idea should be sent to find isis and talk to them about job creation.

Peter1469
02-18-2015, 06:50 AM
It sounds like satire. Unfortunately it is the news.

Captain Obvious
02-18-2015, 08:14 AM
I don't know.

Like many other wholly morally corrupt institutions I have no doubt ISIS preys on the desperate to carry their buckets, much like the GOP. I have a hard time believing that the ISIS rank-and-file share the same oppressive ambitions that ISIS upper management envisions, they're ditch diggers basically, every organization is framed basically the same way.

So what do the rank-and-file really want?

I know on the surface it sounds like a ridiculous idea but think about it for a second. We're not offering the oppressive regime... jobs or whatever, we're considering giving their ditch diggers those opportunities.

Mac-7
02-18-2015, 08:22 AM
I don't know.

Like many other wholly morally corrupt institutions I have no doubt ISIS preys on the desperate to carry their buckets, much like the GOP. I have a hard time believing that the ISIS rank-and-file share the same oppressive ambitions that ISIS upper management envisions, they're ditch diggers basically, every organization is framed basically the same way.

So what do the rank-and-file really want?

I know on the surface it sounds like a ridiculous idea but think about it for a second. We're not offering the oppressive regime... jobs or whatever, we're considering giving their ditch diggers those opportunities.

I am not personally acquainted with any Isis terrorists.

So i can't say if most of them are just crazy mixed up kids who could be turned around with understanding and compassion and a job.

I suspect based on what I see going on that they are Muslim fanatics who really believe what they are saying about killing all the infidels.

But maybe that's just me.

Cigar
02-18-2015, 08:33 AM
Brillinat ... this should send the Right Running around like the hair is on fire for the next couple weeks. :laugh:

exotix
02-18-2015, 08:58 AM
Brillinat ... this should send the Right Running around like the hair is on fire for the next couple weeks. :laugh:
Notice the outrage coming from *Saint Peter King of New York* ... LOL

Captain Obvious
02-18-2015, 08:59 AM
Brillinat ...

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/7b/7b0d7db1293ca47eba970b69be4b02150b5a7e647d3ef952d6 447a04d2a09fd0.jpg

Cigar
02-18-2015, 09:02 AM
Notice the outrage coming from *Saint Peter King of New York* ... LOL

Get's them plenty of TV time and they don't have to Govern :laugh:

Billinat Distraction

Cigar
02-18-2015, 09:03 AM
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Modifig Members Post ... that will sure get you nothing :laugh:

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:03 AM
Get's them plenty of TV time and they don't have to Govern :laugh:

Billinat Distraction
All right-wingers from New York are required to carry the torch from the man who saved New York City ... *Thaint 'oodie of 9/11* ... LOL

Captain Obvious
02-18-2015, 09:04 AM
Modifig Members Post ... that will sure get you nothing :laugh:

Changing the intent of the post is frowned on, carving out other non-related posts is ok.

That's how I understand it.

But blame it on white privilege and you'll be fine.

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:08 AM
Changing the intent of the post is frowned on, carving out other non-related posts is ok.

That's how I understand it.

But blame it on white privilege and you'll be fine.
How'bout changing the intent of the premises by omitting passages from the OP article ... known as academic dishonesty ...



Meanwhile, Harf took Twitter to defend herself, quoting President George W. Bush, whom she claimed said, “We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror.”

Captain Obvious
02-18-2015, 09:10 AM
How'bout changing the intent of the premises by omitting passages from the OP article ... known as academic dishonesty ...

So, is this where I respond with a random example of dishonesty?

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:13 AM
So, is this where I respond with a random example of dishonesty?
Yes sir ... as you can see ... what Bush is really saying is *Arbeit Macht Frei* ... which eventually gave you ISIS.

Captain Obvious
02-18-2015, 09:16 AM
Yes sir ... as you can see ... what Bush is really saying is *Arbeit Macht Frei* ... which eventually gave you ISIS.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/157193/beetlejuice-ok-then-o.gif

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:18 AM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/157193/beetlejuice-ok-then-o.gifThis is a juvenile response simply for the fact to disguise the fact ... that you have none ... LOL

Reason10
02-18-2015, 09:28 AM
http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-021815-jobs-IBD-COLOR-FINAL-1476.gif.cms

Chris
02-18-2015, 09:31 AM
Maybe if we sent them Food Stamps.

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:31 AM
http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-021815-jobs-IBD-COLOR-FINAL-1476.gif.cmsThat looks like a 47%'r ... LOL

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:32 AM
Maybe if we sent them Food Stamps.
Oh so now you're attacking poor people ... sad.

Chris
02-18-2015, 09:44 AM
Oh so now you're attacking poor people ... sad.

^^Loony.

del
02-18-2015, 09:45 AM
if peter king is against it, it's probably a good idea, no matter how stupid it sounds

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:46 AM
^^Loony.
.... says the conservative atheist anarchist ... LOL

Chris
02-18-2015, 10:30 AM
.... says the conservative atheist anarchist ... LOL

You're getting close. But you need to do more than merely attack labels as if it's meaningful.

Mac-7
02-18-2015, 10:48 AM
You're getting close. But you need to do more than merely attack labels as if it's meaningful.

Being an atheist anarchist pretty much says it all.

Chris
02-18-2015, 11:44 AM
Being an atheist anarchist pretty much says it all.

^^Another shallow label attacker.

Find some substance, exomac.

Redrose
02-18-2015, 03:16 PM
Oh so now you're attacking poor people ... sad.



Your reading comprehension needs work.

Blackrook
02-18-2015, 07:31 PM
High unemployment does turn people desperate. Permanent unemployment, as they have in so many countries due to socialist systems, means people lose all hope.

Mac-7
02-18-2015, 07:43 PM
^^Another shallow label attacker.

Find some substance, exomac.

I guess those labels earn you some credits wherever you hang out but it makes you look like a loser to me.

Mac-7
02-18-2015, 07:45 PM
High unemployment does turn people desperate. Permanent unemployment, as they have in so many countries due to socialist systems, means people lose all hope.

Al quieda, Isis and the Muslim brotherhood include doctors, engineers, and members of wealthy Muslim families.

exotix
02-18-2015, 08:13 PM
Maybe if we sent them Food Stamps.
Your reading comprehension needs work.
High unemployment does turn people desperate. Permanent unemployment, as they have in so many countries due to socialist systems, means people lose all hope.
Al quieda, Isis and the Muslim brotherhood include doctors, engineers, and members of wealthy Muslim families.
I think your boy Bush said the same thing ...



"We Fight Against Poverty Because Hope Is An Answer To Terror."


http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/02/17/right-wing-media-attack-obama-for-tying-terror/202548

"Many here today have devoted their lives to the fight against global poverty, and you know the stakes.

We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror.

We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity.

We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it.

And we fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.
[...]
We will challenge the poverty and hopelessness and lack of education and failed governments that too often allow conditions that terrorists can seize and try to turn to their advantage."

~ President George W. Bush's Remarks To The International Conference on Financing for Development, United Nations, 3/22/02 (http://www.un.org/ffd/statements/usaE.htm)

Chris
02-18-2015, 08:31 PM
Was Bush being sarcastic? Didn't think so.

exotix
02-18-2015, 08:39 PM
Was Bush being sarcastic? Didn't think so.
No ?

How'bout this ?


"We Must Help Raise Up The Failing States" That Lack Economic Opportunity, Because They "Provide Fertile Ground For The Terrorists."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/02/17/right-wing-media-attack-obama-for-tying-terror/202548

In a 2005 speech before the United Nations General Assembly, Bush laid out a framework for defeating global terrorism explaining that the fight would not "be won by force of arms alone," but rather with targeted attacks on the roots causes of terrorism.

Bush called on nations to "spread the vision of hope" in the fight against terrorism to help countries struggling with poverty:


"Yet we know that this war will not be won by force of arms alone. We must defeat the terrorists on the battlefield and we must also defeat them in the battle of ideas.

We must change the conditions that allow terrorists to flourish and recruit by spreading the hope of freedom to millions who've never known it.

We must help raise up the failing states and stagnant societies that provide fertile ground for the terrorists.

We must defend and extend a vision of human dignity and opportunity and prosperity, a vision far stronger than the dark appeal of resentment and murder.

To spread the vision of hope the United States is determined to help nations that are struggling with poverty"

~ Bush 9/14/05 (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/14/international/14text-bush.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)

Chris
02-18-2015, 08:44 PM
No.

exotix
02-18-2015, 08:46 PM
No.
No ?

Explain please.

Minty
02-18-2015, 09:00 PM
I am not personally acquainted with any Isis terrorists.

So i can't say if most of them are just crazy mixed up kids who could be turned around with understanding and compassion and a job.

I suspect based on what I see going on that they are Muslim fanatics who really believe what they are saying about killing all the infidels.

But maybe that's just me.Ahhahahahha.

Good one.

Minty
02-18-2015, 09:02 PM
Al quieda, Isis and the Muslim brotherhood include doctors, engineers, and members of wealthy Muslim families.Egg-actly.

Saying being poor 'causes' Muzzies to cut peoples' heads off is pure pretext. An excuse created by terrorist lovers.

Chris
02-18-2015, 09:19 PM
No ?

Explain please.

No.

The Xl
02-18-2015, 09:25 PM
Sounds stupid.

Redrose
02-18-2015, 09:33 PM
I think your boy Bush said the same thing ...



"We Fight Against Poverty Because Hope Is An Answer To Terror."


http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/02/17/right-wing-media-attack-obama-for-tying-terror/202548

"Many here today have devoted their lives to the fight against global poverty, and you know the stakes.

We fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror.

We fight against poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right to human dignity.

We fight against poverty because faith requires it and conscience demands it.

And we fight against poverty with a growing conviction that major progress is within our reach.
[...]
We will challenge the poverty and hopelessness and lack of education and failed governments that too often allow conditions that terrorists can seize and try to turn to their advantage."

~ President George W. Bush's Remarks To The International Conference on Financing for Development, United Nations, 3/22/02 (http://www.un.org/ffd/statements/usaE.htm)

Poverty breeds terrorism, leaders warn

2-day U.N. conference begins as Castro leaves ahead of Bush's arrival in
March 22, 2002|By COX NEWS SERVICE
MONTERREY, Mexico - President Bush and more than 50 world leaders began meeting yesterday to affirm what many hail as a historic global commitment to boost aid to poor countries, spur freer trade and cut world poverty by more than half by 2015.
The leaders' two-day assembly got off to a tumultuous start when Cuban President Fidel Castro - speaking before Bush's arrival - lambasted rich countries for plundering poor nations. He then left Mexico, implying that he was not welcome at the United Nations International Conference on Financing for Development.


Before arriving in Monterrey, Bush stopped in El Paso, Texas, and said he and Mexican President Vicente Fox would announce a joint plan today to enhance security at the U.S.-Mexico border without harming trade.
During a parade of speeches inside a cavernous assembly hall, some of the presidents and others warned that growing poverty around the world could create a breeding ground for terrorism.
"Global security is closely tied to the health of the world economy. Insecurity and the sinister role that terrorism plays must be confronted," said Peruvian President Alejandro Toledo, who was forced to leave the conference early after a car bomb explosion killed nine people in front of the U.S. Embassy in Lima.
After dining yesterday with world leaders and meeting privately with Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Bush is scheduled to address the U.N. conference today.
All the presidents will meet at a private retreat and then Fox and Bush will meet privately to talk about issues key to U.S.-Mexico relations, including the border, trade, drug trafficking, illegal immigration and a dispute between the two countries over water rights along the Rio Grande.
The new joint border security plan, which follows a similar agreement in December with Canada, aims to employ new technology at the border to better and more quickly identify those crossing, while avoiding delays in commercial traffic.
"On the one hand, we want the legal commerce," Bush said in El Paso. "On the other hand, we want to use our technology to make sure we weed out those who we don't want in our country - the terrorists, the coyotes, the smugglers, those who prey on innocent life."
Bush has proposed about $11 billion for increased border security, including $380 million for the Immigration and Naturalization Service to develop swifter and better systems for identifying and accommodating those crossing the border.
At the conference, Castro stirred the atmosphere and prompted some applause from U.N. delegates when he called "the existing world order" a "system of plundering and exploitation like no other in history."
Castro doubted the promises world leaders from all continents are making to reduce poverty. "People believe less and less in statements and promises," he said.



Bush was concerned with the border between us and Mexico. If better jobs were available in Mexico, we wouldn't see the crime and illegal immigration from our Southern border.

ISIS wasn't even hinted to at that time.

Unlike Obama's statement that ISIS is the JV and better opportunities would help deter their blood thirsty terrorism.

There is a distinct difference.

exotix
02-18-2015, 09:46 PM
Bush was concerned with the border between us and Mexico. If better jobs were available in Mexico, we wouldn't see the crime and illegal immigration from our Southern border.

ISIS wasn't even hinted to at that time.

Unlike Obama's statement that ISIS is the JV and better opportunities would help deter their blood thirsty terrorism.

There is a distinct difference.
So what you're saying is that Bush wanted to give Latin & Mexican illegal terrorists hope, food stamps and love ... is that what you're saying ?

Redrose
02-18-2015, 09:50 PM
So what you're saying is that Bush wanted to give Latin & Mexican illegal terrorists hope, food stamps and love ... is that what you're saying ?


No, Mexico needs to do that. Illegal Mexicans have to sneek into our country before they get all that.

That's Obamalove, paid for by the beleagured American middle class.

del
02-18-2015, 11:04 PM
yeah, there were no illegals until obama

Blackrook
02-18-2015, 11:16 PM
OK, if it's not unemployment, the reason for terrorism is that when they go to school, their teachers fill up their heads with hatred of Jews and Christians, and then when they go to religious services on Friday, their preacher fills up their heads with even more hatred towards Jews and Christians.

The only permanent solution is to close down and level every Muslim school and mosque.

At some point, when they've pushed us that far, we may have to do it.

We basically did that to the Germans and Japanese, forced them to go to classes and "de-Nazify."

Safety
02-18-2015, 11:31 PM
OK, if it's not unemployment, the reason for terrorism is that when they go to school, their teachers fill up their heads with hatred of Jews and Christians, and then when they go to religious services on Friday, their preacher fills up their heads with even more hatred towards Jews and Christians.

The only permanent solution is to close down and level every Muslim school and mosque.

At some point, when they've pushed us that far, we may have to do it.

We basically did that to the Germans and Japanese, forced them to go to classes and "de-Nazify."

That's mighty Christian of you.

Chris
02-18-2015, 11:35 PM
yeah, there were no illegals until obama

Yes, he was the first illegal.

del
02-18-2015, 11:43 PM
Yes, he was the first illegal.

he's a wily kenyan, that one

Redrose
02-19-2015, 12:23 AM
yeah, there were no illegals until obama


No there were plenty, but Obama has speeded up the process.