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GAZA (Reuters) - Israel launched air raids on Hamas security targets in Gaza on Saturday, wounding more than 20 people including a baby, medical officials in the Islamist-ruled territory said, as militants stepped up rocket fire, wounding an Israeli man.
The escalating violence threatened to unravel Wednesday's shaky Egyptian-brokered truce which had temporarily calmed violence that erupted on Monday after a raid across Egypt's Sinai border in which an Israeli man and two gunmen were killed.
Israel confirmed its aircraft had struck two militant targets in Gaza overnight, calling it a response to rocket fire aimed at Israel from the Islamist-ruled territory.
The Israeli strikes were reported after the worst rocket assault in six days of fighting. One projectile slammed into the Israeli town of Sderot wounding an Israeli man in the neck just as he was trying to enter a concrete shelter.
The rocket was one of more than 50 fired into Israel, nearly 10 times the number fired on Friday, the military said. At least six other rockets were intercepted by an Israeli missile defense system.
Israel's military chiefs scheduled urgent consultations to weigh a "course of action," a military spokeswoman said. Israeli authorities also urged the one million Israelis who live in the south to stay indoors or close to fortified shelters.
Officials in Gaza said Israel attacked security targets in Gaza City and also in northern and southern parts of the crowded coastal strip before dawn.....snip~
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-bombs-hamas-security-targets-gaza-officials-003947316.html
Reuters – 53 mins ago<<<<<
Looks like Israel will have to worry about this escalating rather than trying to make a move on Syria. Isn't is just rich that Egypt brokered a peace on Wed. Even tho Rockets continued to be fired into Israel and even more today.
Also note how the Palestinians are always reporting that a child has been killed women injured. Always when the Israelis strike back. Yet the Palestinians say nothing when they do it.
So we have Israel being engaged in the usual nefarious ways of warfare. Israel reported that there was a group affiliated to AQ which is pumping up activity around the Egyptian border. Which leaves the MB and Hamas in their usual mode of Gradualism while trying to tell the world they Embrace Democracy.
Moreover the Bedouin have constantly been hitting the water supply pipeline as well as taking out the electric. Both Running into Israel.
Then topping it all off is Iran. Team Obama is uncertain if Israel will make a move. So they are doing all they can to keep Israel from jumping off. Last time it was the French doing the talking to Israel. I don't think we will see that from the French anymore. So I expect it will be the Brits this time round, and they will be driving those points home. Not us!
Looks like Israel is weighing a course of action as to deal with this situation. Here the Israelis state 6 days of straight bombing. Notice Hamas isn't listening to the Egyptian Military to much.
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Trinnity
06-24-2012, 09:29 AM
Israel has to move on Hamas; they've left no alternative.
Trinnity
06-24-2012, 09:37 AM
Hamas threatens to escalate attacks on Israel
(http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/23/gaza-militant-killed-as-rockets-hit-israel/)
JERUSALEM – Gaza's militant Hamas rulers threatened to escalate fighting with Israel on Saturday after airstrikes killed several gunmen in the coastal territory, and Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel wounded one person and damaged an elementary school in the country's south.
The two sides periodically clash, but this flare-up was the most serious in months. It started with an attack by a little known al-Qaida-inspired Palestinian militant group but has extended to drag in Hamas.
This ^
Like Hamas needs any encouragement getting into it with Israel.
But...
Hamas has largely stayed out of direct confrontation with Israel since a war more than three years ago although other factions have launched cross-border attacks.
Al-Qaeda never sleeps. It exists to kill and divide and advance the Pan-Islamic agenda through direct conflict, covertly fueling situations like that above, and 24/7 pushing of soft-Jihad.
HAMAS VOWS TO 'SMASH' ISRAEL
Hamas's military wing, which had not claimed responsibility for any of the rocket fire in the past few days, said it was "ready to smash the Israeli arrogance in response to its aggression".....snip~
Then this. :laughing4:
The AQ sympaticos are the Salafis.....hanging out down by that Southern Border. Notice how the Palestinians cry about Children and women yet say nothing when they kill or injure women and children.
Trinnity
06-24-2012, 10:24 AM
Course not! It's all about perception. Must play to the press, and be as dirty as possible when no one's looking.
:blowup:
Course not! It's all about perception. Must play to the press, and be as dirty as possible when no one's looking.
:blowup:
The Salafis came across from the Egyptian border. Both Egyptian and the Israelis stated that. Wonder if the Egyptians opened fire on the AQ Sympaticos? Think they would?
Peter1469
06-24-2012, 11:10 AM
Hamas can't "smash" Israel. Of course Israel can't effectively fight back in the modern PC world. The last time Israel was really effective in destroying the Hamas (or maybe it was Hezbollah then) dogs was during Reagan's administration- but they also killed off over 10,000 Lebanese civilians in the process.
That is why it is illegal under international law for enemy combatants to hide among the civilian population- they lose their protection as civilians......
That is why it is illegal under international law for enemy combatants to hide among the civilian population- they lose their protection as civilians......
Linkie, please. **
Hamas can't "smash" Israel. Of course Israel can't effectively fight back in the modern PC world. The last time Israel was really effective in destroying the Hamas (or maybe it was Hezbollah then) dogs was during Reagan's administration- but they also killed off over 10,000 Lebanese civilians in the process.
That is why it is illegal under international law for enemy combatants to hide among the civilian population- they lose their protection as civilians......
Yeah thats one International Law those Muslims and Muslim Arabs in the ME.....tend to always forget about, huh?
Yeah thats one International Law those Muslims and Muslim Arabs in the ME.....tend to always forget about, huh?
So cite it. * Or have you forgotten it ?*
So cite it. * Or have you forgotten it ?*
I think the perception of hiding behind women and children and innocent civilians, showing that Cowardice to all. Says a whole lot more than any International Law or a Nation's Law. When Most of the Entire Planet sees the same thing. Doesn't leave the cowardly to many places to hide. Much more valuable lesson than any written law.
Peter1469
06-24-2012, 11:27 AM
Linkie, please. **
It is a basic principle of the Geneva Conventions. Civilians are a protected class. If your military sets up an offensive unit next to civilians, say an anti-artillery battery next to a school- the school loses its protected status. The battery can be targeted and the commander that put the battery there can be tried for war crimes-- putting the civilians at risk.
So cite it. * Or have you forgotten it ?*
It's called Human Shield.....here is the basics from Wikipedia. Referenced. Under UN International Law and From the Geneva Convention.....
Human shield is a military and political term describing the deliberate placement of civilians (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Civilian) in or around combat targets to deter an enemy from attacking those targets. It may also refer to the use of civilians to literally shield combatants during attacks, by forcing the civilians to march in front of the soldiers. This is done in the hope that the other party will be reluctant to attack them. Furthermore, if the other party attacks these targets anyway, the resulting civilian casualties have propaganda (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Propaganda) value.
Using this technique increases the civilian casualty rate and is illegal by any nation that is party to the Fourth Geneva Convention (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention).....snip~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield
It is a basic principle of the Geneva Conventions. Civilians are a protected class. If your military sets up an offensive unit next to civilians, say an anti-artillery battery next to a school- the school loses its protected status. The battery can be targeted and the commander that put the battery there can be tried for war crimes-- putting the civilians at risk.
Many Israeli military installations are in civilian areas. * That doesn't turn civilians into legitimate targets. * Palestinian civilians are not reserve soldiers- *as Israelis are. *There is not even an official Palestinian military. *
It's called Human Shield....
The neozionists use Palestinians as human shields on a frequent basis- *even though the Israeli courts have tried to stop them doing it. *
The neozionists use Palestinians as human shields on a frequent basis- *even though the Israeli courts have tried to stop them doing it. *
Thats not what you asked. I didn't see you asking about how the law is being applied by and to different races of people. Moreover they can also apply it to Crimes against humanity.....
For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
(e) Imprisonment (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Imprisonment) or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law
h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Human_race), national, ethnic, cultural (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Culture), religious (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Religion), gender (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Gender) as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court
i) Enforced disappearance (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Forced_disappearance) of persons
(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.....snip~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity
Any of these would do as well. :grin:
Trinnity
06-24-2012, 01:31 PM
Human shields.....the shield of a coward.
Human shields.....the shield of a coward.
Which there is no getting round that they.....knowingly know, exactly what they are doing. Even moreso with the targeting of those civilians.
Thats not what you asked.For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:You're not even addressing the point.
You're not even addressing the point.
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by moon http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=90768#post90768)
So cite it. * Or have you forgotten it ?*
Are you sure about that?
Peter1469
06-24-2012, 03:18 PM
Many Israeli military installations are in civilian areas. * That doesn't turn civilians into legitimate targets. * Palestinian civilians are not reserve soldiers- *as Israelis are. *There is not even an official Palestinian military. *
Israel is not at war with anyone.
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by moon http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=90768#post90768) So cite it. * Or have you forgotten it ?*Are you sure about that?The issue was a matter of civilians losing their protected status under the GCs.
Israel is not at war with anyone.That's worth checking out.
Peter1469
06-24-2012, 03:53 PM
That's worth checking out.
Why? If there are any declared wars they would be self evident.
It pays to follow up;
Israel is still technically at war with Syria,http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iptu1WQFA0w7f-KWIhawKL_Rybdg?docId=CNG.04ce9c7950c63b192cb925974 5e302e0.331
Peter1469
06-24-2012, 05:42 PM
You seem to be making a case for an Israeli attack on Syria.
You seem to be making a case for an Israeli attack on Syria.No, I'm just pointing out that you were wrong. Israel is technically at war with Syria. Israel, in fact, launched an airstrike on Syria just a couple of years back. Israel illegally occupies Syrian territory. Israel , clearly, is the aggressor.
Peter1469
06-25-2012, 03:44 PM
No, I'm just pointing out that you were wrong. Israel is technically at war with Syria. Israel, in fact, launched an airstrike on Syria just a couple of years back. Israel illegally occupies Syrian territory. Israel , clearly, is the aggressor.
So is there a declaration of war?
So is there a declaration of war?
Do you see Israel occupying Syrian territory Pete? Do losers who start a War. Get to make any calls? Get to call any shots? Do you think they can figure it out what it means to lose a War? Or do you think they need to be shown what Total War really looks like in order for them to grab that Concept?
Peter1469
06-25-2012, 08:32 PM
I imagine he is referring to the Golan Heights.
Do you see Israel occupying Syrian territory Pete?
Yes, he clearly does. * Peter1469, evidently, is no fool.
Do losers who start a War. Get to make any calls? Get to call any shots? Do you think they can figure it out what it means to lose a War? Or do you think they need to be shown what Total War really looks like in order for them to grab that Concept?
A few hours contemplation of international law in these regards will answer your questions for you.*
I imagine he is referring to the Golan Heights.
Yes, occupied in 1967 during a war which was initiated by the neozionists.
Internationally recognized as Syrian territory, the Golan Heights has been occupied and administered by Israel since the 1967.[1] It was captured during the 1967 Six-Day War, establishing the Purple Line. [12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights
The Golan provides a third of Israel's water. *That's why the occupation continues. *The thieves are thirsty.
Peter1469
06-26-2012, 03:52 PM
Yes, occupied in 1967 during a war which was initiated by the neozionists.
The Golan provides a third of Israel's water. *That's why the occupation continues. *The thieves are thirsty.
That seems like a legitimate reason to want the land. Gotta have fresh water.
When I was in college I read something from some professor that painted the entire Middle East conflict as a fight over water rights. His thesis was that everything else was peripheral.
It's a legitimate reason for WANTING it , sure, but there is no legitimacy in occupying it and stealing water which is not theirs.
Peter1469
06-26-2012, 04:57 PM
It's a legitimate reason for WANTING it , sure, but there is no legitimacy in occupying it and stealing water which is not theirs.
That is what people say about the US and the American Indians. I for one am glad for our present circumstance.
Peter1469
06-26-2012, 04:59 PM
Syria attacked Israel before Israel defeated the Syria army and seized the Golan.
That is what people say about the US and the American Indians. I for one am glad for our present circumstance.
That particular episode of ethnic cleansing happened before there was any international law to prevent it or repair it.
Syria attacked Israel before Israel defeated the Syria army and seized the Golan.
In Zionworld, perhaps. * Not in reality;
After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields. Within six days, Israel had won a decisive land war. Israeli forces had taken effective control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.
Treating Israel's neighbors as independent entities under such circumstances is just a convenient piece of propaganda.*
Here ya go Pete All the Wars and Conflicts with Syria, Palestine, and or Jordan or What is commonly referred to as TransJordanian, during modern times.....
http://www.historyguy.com/israel_syria_wars.htm
No sense going with any Propaganda. Lets bring it all out and talk about all those defeats and then Syria trying to argue over land lost or set up as Demilitarized Zones. Lets just pour in all those atrocities committed by Arabs. Started by Arabs and what happens when Arabs get their azzes kicked with the relating of History and facts. Then lets look at all their incompetancies. Then lets look at the Future of the Arab world. Which is on the ropes and hanging by a thread.
I'll start off with something simple as the History guy before I start throwing up all the other sources. Then we can watch them cry about whatever sources. Would like to see some from the Far East jump in with their thoughts about Arabs and what they see as the Arabs real future.
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