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Wehrwolfen
02-22-2015, 01:34 PM
Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters



By "George Washington"
Feb. 20, 2015


Below, we demonstrate that the U.S. keeps “losing” war after war.

There are 3 potential reasons this might be happening:


• Is this chaos an intentional way to implement regime change and grab resources?

• Or is this a sign of the decline of the American empire … and we just can’t win a war anymore?

• Or do those in charge just not really give a damn about winning … and are they just focusing on one short-term goal after another?


We’ll let you decide why you think this keeps happening. But if you don’t believe that the U.S. has been losing its recent wars, read on …

U.S. Keeps Messing Up

IRAQ
LIBYA
AFGHANISTAN
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

SYRIA
YEMEN

**[Snip]**
So here’s my scorecard for American military interventions since 2000:
• Afghanistan: A disaster. It’s arguable that Afghanistan is no worse off than it was in 2001, but after losing thousands of American lives and spending a trillion American dollars, it’s no better off either. [Since the government has put a gag order on all military information, it’s hard to know what’s really going on.]
• Iraq: An even bigger disaster. Saddam Hussein was a uniquely vicious dictator, but even at that there’s not much question that Iraq is worse off than it was in 2003. We got rid of Saddam, but got a dysfunctional sectarian government and ISIS in return.
• Libya: Another disaster. We got rid of Muammar Qaddafi, but got a Somalia-level failed state in return.
• Yemen: Yet another disaster. After years of drone warfare, Houthi rebels have taken over the government. This appears to be simultaneously a win for Iran, which backs the rebels, and al-Qaeda, which may benefit from the resulting chaos. That’s quite a twofer.


(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...been-disasters (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-20/911-us-has-been-involved-more-5-wars-%E2%80%A6-and-they%E2%80%99ve-all-been-disasters)

IMO, one might argue that responsibility rests with Bush and his administration. Selective and short term memory of history indicates the interference of Progressive Marxist ideology are behind these losses. Iraq was for all intents and purposes pacified and under control until the precipitous withdrawal from Iraq by Barack Hussein Obama II thus creating a vacuum that al Qaeda/ISIS immediately filled.
The same held true for Afghanistan until the election of 2009.
For some reason Obama decided that Muammar Qaddafi should be removed from Libya. In doing so, Obama urged the formation of ISIS and supplied them whether intentionally or unintentionally. This leads us to Yemen a country rife with turmoil that Obama recently praised just before the Iranian backed Houthi rebels overthrew the government.
In moral equivalent reasoning, we could go all the way back to the dawn of religion or the Crusades to find the responsible person(s), sect(s), or government(s) for the present day problems we are facing. IMHO, we can only view this as the disaster of this present administration.



"A Nation Can Survive It's Fools, and Even the Ambitious, But it Can Not Survive Treason From Within"

donttread
02-22-2015, 01:54 PM
Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters




By "George Washington"
Feb. 20, 2015


Below, we demonstrate that the U.S. keeps “losing” war after war.

There are 3 potential reasons this might be happening:


• Is this chaos an intentional way to implement regime change and grab resources?

• Or is this a sign of the decline of the American empire … and we just can’t win a war anymore?

• Or do those in charge just not really give a damn about winning … and are they just focusing on one short-term goal after another?


We’ll let you decide why you think this keeps happening. But if you don’t believe that the U.S. has been losing its recent wars, read on …

U.S. Keeps Messing Up

IRAQ
LIBYA
AFGHANISTAN
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

SYRIA
YEMEN

**[Snip]**
So here’s my scorecard for American military interventions since 2000:
• Afghanistan: A disaster. It’s arguable that Afghanistan is no worse off than it was in 2001, but after losing thousands of American lives and spending a trillion American dollars, it’s no better off either. [Since the government has put a gag order on all military information, it’s hard to know what’s really going on.]
• Iraq: An even bigger disaster. Saddam Hussein was a uniquely vicious dictator, but even at that there’s not much question that Iraq is worse off than it was in 2003. We got rid of Saddam, but got a dysfunctional sectarian government and ISIS in return.
• Libya: Another disaster. We got rid of Muammar Qaddafi, but got a Somalia-level failed state in return.
• Yemen: Yet another disaster. After years of drone warfare, Houthi rebels have taken over the government. This appears to be simultaneously a win for Iran, which backs the rebels, and al-Qaeda, which may benefit from the resulting chaos. That’s quite a twofer.


(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...been-disasters (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-20/911-us-has-been-involved-more-5-wars-…-and-they’ve-all-been-disasters)

IMO, one might argue that responsibility rests with Bush and his administration. Selective and short term memory of history indicates the interference of Progressive Marxist ideology are behind these losses. Iraq was for all intents and purposes pacified and under control until the precipitous withdrawal from Iraq by Barack Hussein Obama II thus creating a vacuum that al Qaeda/ISIS immediately filled.
The same held true for Afghanistan until the election of 2009.
For some reason Obama decided that Muammar Qaddafi should be removed from Libya. In doing so, Obama urged the formation of ISIS and supplied them whether intentionally or unintentionally. This leads us to Yemen a country rife with turmoil that Obama recently praised just before the Iranian backed Houthi rebels overthrew the government.
In moral equivalent reasoning, we could go all the way back to the dawn of religion or the Crusades to find the responsible person(s), sect(s), or government(s) for the present day problems we are facing. IMHO, we can only view this as the disaster of this present administration.


"A Nation Can Survive It's Fools, and Even the Ambitious, But it Can Not Survive Treason From Within"




No disaster for the arms dealers

Wehrwolfen
02-22-2015, 02:48 PM
No disaster for the arms dealers

Then Obama made quite a lot in sales commissions.

Common
02-22-2015, 02:49 PM
Bush and cheney made far more and really made a killing in Haliburton Oil windfalls

iustitia
02-22-2015, 03:01 PM
Only five? Are we forgetting Somalia and Pakistan?

Bob
02-22-2015, 03:13 PM
Bush and cheney made far more and really made a killing in Haliburton Oil windfalls

Well, another who refuses to understand LOGCAP

Actually Bush nor Cheney made a dime off the various wars.

Don't you admire how the rich respond to Obama and his wall street stock market?

Bob
02-22-2015, 03:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOGCAP

In 1985, LOGCAP was established primarily to preplan for contingencies and to leverage the existing civilian resources. However, it was not until three years later before it was first used. In support of a United States Third Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Central) mission, the United States Army Corps of Engineers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Corps_of_Engineers) (USACE) used LOGCAP to contract for the construction and maintenance of two petroleum pipelines systems in Southwest Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia).
The current task order contract concept of LOGCAP began in August 1992 when USACE awarded the first contract (LOGCAP I) to Brown and Root Services (now KBR) in August 1992 as a cost-plus-award-fee contract, which was used in December that year to support the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) forces in Somalia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia). This contract was also used to support forces in Bosnia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia), Kosovo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo), Macedonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(country)), Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), Haiti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti), Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) and Rwanda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda).
The LOGCAP contract was recompeted in late 1996, with Army Materiel Command (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Materiel_Command) (AMC) taking over management of the program from USACE (although USACE has retained the support requirements for the Balkans Peninsula continuously since that date). The second contract (LOGCAP II) was awarded to DynCorp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp) in January 1997. From 1997 to 2001,DynCorp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp) supported US forces in the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines), Guatemala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala), Colombia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia), Ecuador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuador), East Timor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor), and Panama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama).
AMC awarded LOGCAP III, the third contract, to KBR in 2001. LOGCAP III primarily supported the Global War on Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_War_on_Terrorism)in Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), Kuwait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait), Djibouti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djibouti), and Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)).
However, as a result of the criticisms leveled against KBR for contract performance, AMC wanted to end the LOGCAP III contract in 2007, but continued it for contracts in Iraq until withdrawal of United States military forces was completed.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOGCAP#cite_note-2) The current contract (LOGCAP IV) differed greatly from its three predecessors, in that multiple contracts were awarded (to KBR, DynCorp, and Fluor), whereupon the three could compete for future task orders.

Mac-7
02-22-2015, 03:39 PM
Bush and cheney made far more and really made a killing in Haliburton Oil windfalls

Thats not true.

The US has not had more access to Iraq oil than any other country.

Cheney owned stock in Halliburton but so do thousands of other people.

Safety
02-22-2015, 04:12 PM
Thats not true.

The US has not had more access to Iraq oil than any other country.

Cheney owned stock in Halliburton but so do thousands of other people.

Except millions of other people who own stock do not get the chance to manipulate the market by starting wars.

Wehrwolfen
02-22-2015, 04:34 PM
Except millions of other people who own stock do not get the chance to manipulate the market by starting wars.

Conspiracy theories are only for Leftists to proclaim as true, all others need not apply.

donttread
02-23-2015, 06:46 AM
Bush and cheney made far more and really made a killing in Haliburton Oil windfalls

Bushbama and their corporate owners have done very well with war even if we have not. Somebody made a ton of money building our 3/4 of a billion dollar "embassy " in Iraq for one example

donttread
02-23-2015, 06:47 AM
Thats not true.

The US has not had more access to Iraq oil than any other country.

Cheney owned stock in Halliburton but so do thousands of other people.

And did those other people's wealth double overnight?

Safety
02-23-2015, 06:50 AM
Conspiracy theories are only for Leftists to proclaim as true, all others need not apply.


Say hi to Alex Jones for me.

Wehrwolfen
02-24-2015, 02:14 AM
Bush and cheney made far more and really made a killing in Haliburton Oil windfalls

Please show us the factual stats on those profits.