The Corporate Debt to Society: $10,000 Per Household, Per Year

[Cigar]

http://cdn.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_207295756.jpg


The corporate debt to society: $10,000 per household, per year. That estimate is based on facts, not the conservative-style emotion that might deny the responsibility for any debt to the American people. Wealth redistribution to big business has occurred in a variety of ways to be explained below. And there's some precedent for paying Americans for the use of their commonly-held resources. The Alaska Permanent Fund has been in effect, and widely popular, for over thirty years.

The Main Argument: Corporations Have Used Our Money To Build Their Businesses

Over half (57 percent) of basic research is paid for by our tax dollars. Corporations don't want to pay for this. It's easier for them to allow public money to do the startup work, and then, when profit potential is evident, to take over with applied R&D, often with patents that take the rights away from the rest of us.

All the technology in our phones and computers started this way, and continues to the present day. Pharmaceutical companies have depended on the National Institute of Health. The quadrillion-dollar trading capacity of the financial industry was made possible by government-funded Internet technology, and the big banks survived because of a $7 trillion public bailout.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/corporate-debt-society-10000-household-year

[PolWatch]

'Pharmaceutical companies have depended on the National Institute of Health'...one of my pet peeves when you look at what we are charged for medicines that we already paid to develop....and then Big Pharm tells us its because of the cost of research......

[Mac-7]

And yet if brain-dead government employees had to apply all that technology that socialists/fascists are taking credit for here we would still be talking on brick phones and surfing the net on 8k computers the size of a refrigerator.

[Archer0915]

http://cdn.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_207295756.jpg


The corporate debt to society: $10,000 per household, per year. That estimate is based on facts, not the conservative-style emotion that might deny the responsibility for any debt to the American people. Wealth redistribution to big business has occurred in a variety of ways to be explained below. And there's some precedent for paying Americans for the use of their commonly-held resources. The Alaska Permanent Fund has been in effect, and widely popular, for over thirty years.

The Main Argument: Corporations Have Used Our Money To Build Their Businesses

Over half (57 percent) of basic research is paid for by our tax dollars. Corporations don't want to pay for this. It's easier for them to allow public money to do the startup work, and then, when profit potential is evident, to take over with applied R&D, often with patents that take the rights away from the rest of us.

All the technology in our phones and computers started this way, and continues to the present day. Pharmaceutical companies have depended on the National Institute of Health. The quadrillion-dollar trading capacity of the financial industry was made possible by government-funded Internet technology, and the big banks survived because of a $7 trillion public bailout.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/corporate-debt-society-10000-household-year

Going to avoid issues here... On many points I do agree. Mainly on the drugs! It pisses me off the our tax dollars pay a big part of the R&D while the Druc Cos. Profit and claim R&D is why the drugs cost so much.

[Cigar]

And yet if brain-dead government employees had to apply all that technology that socialists/fascists are taking credit for here we would still be talking on brick phones and surfing the net on 8k computers the size of a refrigerator.

What Net are you talking about .... Oh yea ... that Net :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Cigar]

Going to avoid issues here... On many points I do agree. Mainly on the drugs! It pisses me off the our tax dollars pay a big part of the R&D while the Druc Cos. Profits and claim R&D is why the drugs cost so much.



If Chicago and it's neighboring countuies, towns and cities didn't have Communtor Rail System, it's High Way network couldn't support it's work force. I'm sure that the case for many other major cities.

Several High Tech Companies came to Chicago for the reason, so that the tallerom the suburbs can get to them.

[Mac-7]

Going to avoid issues here... On many points I do agree. Mainly on the drugs! It pisses me off the our tax dollars pay a big part of the R&D while the Druc Cos. Profits and claim R&D is why the drugs cost so much.

Government "funds" basic research.

But how much brains does it take to strong arm private citizens to turn over their wealth to the government which in turn is given to truly smart people that can unlock the mysteries of God's creation?

[Mac-7]

What Net are you talking about .... Oh yea ... that Net :smiley_ROFLMAO:

The old Soviet Union was very good at basic research but government is not very good at applying it.

And that applies to lefties there or here.

[Archer0915]

If Chicago and it's neighboring countuies, towns and cities didn't have Communtor Rail System, it's High Way network couldn't support it's work force. I'm sure that the case for many other major cities.

There are so many things we pay for and then pay for again.

Regulation is a great thing when properly applied. Sadly the US has been misapplying those regs. as it pertains to their fiduciary duties (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fiduciary_duty) in relation to the citizens of this once great nation.

[Chris]

Wealth redistribution to big business....

So government redistributes our wealth to corporations, in various forms of corporate welfare, therefore, according to the OP, corporations owe us a debt? Well, why then so does every person who has ever received social welfare owe us.

Yes, that makes sense, it cannot be government's fault, not their responsibility.

[Cigar]

:geez:I'm not suprised of the ignaraance ... really I'm not :facepalm:

I'm not a pure defender of Government ... but I have several Government Contracts that are supported 100% by American Private Workers. So when people who don't have such business think that know everything about Government Contracts and how they work, all I can do is let the idiots prove that they are ingorant of the facts.

[Archer0915]

Government "funds" basic research.

But how much brains does it take to strong arm private citizens to turn over their wealth to the government which in turn is given to truly smart people that can unlock the mysteries of God's creation?

And this is the issue. Selling drugs at a discount to third world countries while people here pay out the ass! The government pays out the ass for people as well.

[PolWatch]

So government redistributes our wealth to corporations, in various forms of corporate welfare, therefore, according to the OP, corporations owe us a debt? Well, why then so does every person who has ever received social welfare owe us.

Yes, that makes sense, it cannot be government's fault, not their responsibility.

Well, since I believe that anyone who receives welfare DOES owe us.....

[Mac-7]

And this is the issue. Selling drugs at a discount to third world countries while people here pay out the ass! The government pays out the ass for people as well.

If the US drug companies charged full price for the drugs foreign companies would just copy the drugs and pay nothing for them.

[Chris]

:geez:I'm not suprised of the ignaraance ... really I'm not :facepalm:

I'm not a pure defender of Government ... but I have several Government Contracts that are supported 100% by American Private Workers. So when people who don't have such business think that know everything about Government Contracts and how they work, all I can do is let the idiots prove that they are ingorant of the facts.



ignaraance? ingorant?

Q.E.D.

[Cigar]

There are so many things we pay for and then pay for again.

Regulation is a great thing when properly applied. Sadly the US has been misapplying those regs. as it pertains to their fiduciary duties (http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fiduciary_duty) in relation to the citizens of this once great nation.


I use to fly more in the 80s and 90s ... and all I can say is, Thank God for Government Rgulation.

I had a fellow classmate die in the 1979 from flight 191 ... when the fucking engine fell off.

I remember through out the 80s and 90s when all those maintenance type crashes where happening.

[Chris]

Well, since I believe that anyone who receives welfare DOES owe us.....

Can we charge interest?

[Cigar]

ignaraance?

Q.E.D.

The poeple who give a shit every week about correcting spelling are you and your ass lickers ... I don't care, I'm tapping away on a iPad.

If you don't have a capasity to engage in the thread then why don't you find a thread where you can.

[Mac-7]

ignaraance? ingorant?

Q.E.D.

That's a typo.

No need to descend down to Cigar's level.

Just stick to the facts and leave the insults to the big government apologists.

[PolWatch]

I think the idea of Work-fare needs to be explored....I don't object to giving someone who needs help assistance, but we also don't need to provide a free ride forever.

[Archer0915]

If the US drug companies charged full price for the drugs foreign companies would just copy the drugs and pay nothing for them.

SO we get the dick! We support the rest of the world? Fuck that.

[Cigar]

Well, since I believe that anyone who receives welfare DOES owe us.....

Maybe he doesn't know the deffintion "social" welfare?

I'm sure he can spell it just fine ... but does he understand it :laugh:

[Cigar]

That's a typo.

No need to descend down to Cigar's level.

Just stick to the facts and leave the insults to the big government apologists.

Just remember ... Sprinkles are for the Winners :laugh:

[Archer0915]

I use to fly more in the 80s and 90s ... and all I can say is, Thank God for Government Rgulation.

I had a fellow classmate die in the 1979 from flight 191 ... when the $#@!ing engine fell off.

I remember through out the 80s and 90s when all those maintenance type crashes where happening.

Note I did not say all regs! Now lay off the coffee! Your spelling sucks this morning and you are ignoring spell check.

[PolWatch]

I have no problem with social welfare. ... social welfare is a civilized nation helping those who need help (notice, I said "help"... not indefinite support)Corporate welfare is nothing but pay-back for campaign donations. It completely destroys the entire concept of free- market....imo

[Peter1469]

http://cdn.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_207295756.jpg


The corporate debt to society: $10,000 per household, per year. That estimate is based on facts, not the conservative-style emotion that might deny the responsibility for any debt to the American people. Wealth redistribution to big business has occurred in a variety of ways to be explained below. And there's some precedent for paying Americans for the use of their commonly-held resources. The Alaska Permanent Fund has been in effect, and widely popular, for over thirty years.

The Main Argument: Corporations Have Used Our Money To Build Their Businesses

Over half (57 percent) of basic research is paid for by our tax dollars. Corporations don't want to pay for this. It's easier for them to allow public money to do the startup work, and then, when profit potential is evident, to take over with applied R&D, often with patents that take the rights away from the rest of us.

All the technology in our phones and computers started this way, and continues to the present day. Pharmaceutical companies have depended on the National Institute of Health. The quadrillion-dollar trading capacity of the financial industry was made possible by government-funded Internet technology, and the big banks survived because of a $7 trillion public bailout.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/corporate-debt-society-10000-household-year

Brought to you by DNC talking points, 02/23/15.

We don't have to pay off corporate debt, tool. Why don't you shake off the drug induced haze and take a look at government official and unofficial debt. That will just make you reach for more drugs.

[Mac-7]

SO we get the dick! We support the rest of the world? $#@! that.

Ok.

lets say government put a limit on how much the drug companies can charge.

Copycat drugs would still pop up overseas and there would be fewer new drugs coming to market here.

Under the current system is competition.

A very successful drug is patented so rival companies have to engage in more research to achieve the same results by different methods.

If they succeed then prices do come down and patients have more than one drug available to them.

If government were producing and distributing the drugs we would probably die an average of 10 to 20 years sooner.

[Cigar]

Note I did not say all regs! Now lay off the coffee! Your spelling sucks this morning and you are ignoring spell check.


Well you can say that about a lot of things ... Laws, Football Rules and even Local Building Codes. Lots of Rules and Regulations arn't fair or even nessarary ... but I'd be more than happy to feed and many GOP Politicians as mush Unregualted Meat as I can stuff down their pethetic holes.

:laugh:

[Cigar]

Brought to you by DNC talking points, 02/23/15.

We don't have to pay off corporate debt, tool. Why don't you shake off the drug induced haze and take a look at government official and unofficial debt. That will just make you reach for more drugs.

You do have a choice in thread ... so why this one?

[PolWatch]

Canada manages to purchase American developed drugs without violating copy write laws. They also manage to sell them at considerably lower prices than in the US (remember all those senior bus trips to Canada to buy drugs before Part D-Medicare?) and everyone still makes a profit.....go figure.

[Mac-7]

Canada manages to purchase American developed drugs without violating copy write laws. They also manage to sell them at considerably lower prices than in the US (remember all those senior bus trips to Canada to buy drugs before Part D-Medicare?) and everyone still makes a profit.....go figure.

I hate it when snotty little libs reply to my post but refuse to address it properly.

[Cigar]

Canada manages to purchase American developed drugs without violating copy write laws. They also manage to sell them at considerably lower prices than in the US (remember all those senior bus trips to Canada to buy drugs before Part D-Medicare?) and everyone still makes a profit.....go figure.

Corporate Greed ... supported by The Ingorant :wink:


... we know want the Corporations get, but what do the Ignorant get?

[Mac-7]

Corporate Greed ... supported by The Ingorant :wink:


... we know want the Corporations get, but what do the Ignorant get?

Longer lives.

[PolWatch]

I'm sure we will never be charged for this new technology that we are paying for....right?

NIH's newly funded Tissue Chip for Drug Screening (http://www.ncats.nih.gov/research/reengineering/tissue-chip/tissue-chip.html) initiative is the result of collaborations that focus the resources and ingenuity of the NIH, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and U.S. Food and Drug Administration. NIH's Common Fund and National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke led the trans-NIH efforts to establish the program (http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2011/od-16.htm). The NIH plans to commit up to $70 million over five years for the program.
http://www.nih.gov/news/health/jul2012/ncats-24.htm

[Archer0915]

Ok.

lets say government put a limit on how much the drug companies can charge.

Copycat drugs would still pop up overseas and there would be fewer new drugs coming to market here.

Under the current system is competition.

A very successful drug is patented so rival companies have to engage in more research to achieve the same results by different methods.

If they succeed then prices do come down and patients have more than one drug available to them.

If government were producing and distributing the drugs we would probably die an average of 10 to 20 years sooner.

And their profits rise! China and others still infringe! We need to say fuck the rest of the world until we get our house in order...

So we pay to help develop the drugs, we pay more for the drugs, the government pays more for the drugs, the government pay for the drugs in other countries... Are you getting this? It is not business it is systemic abuse that falls on the citizens.

And 10-20 years longer? Fuck I am of the opinion that doctors should tell their clients to tighten up or they are going to die! Simple! This is a sad cycle and I have seen people take drugs so they could live their unhealthy lifestyle...

[PolWatch]

I hate it when snotty little libs reply to my post but refuse to address it properly.

tsk, tsk, tsk....such a mature reply...

[Cigar]

tsk, tsk, tsk....such a mature reply...

Its the best he can do :laugh:

[Archer0915]

Guys why can there never be a discussion without both sides gettin low? This shit is stupid.

[Mac-7]

And 10-20 years longer? $#@! I am of the opinion that doctors should tell their clients to tighten up or they are going to die! Simple! This is a sad cycle and I have seen people take drugs so they could live their unhealthy lifestyle...

Drugs can be harmful as well as beneficial.

But basic research is more than just chemistry.

All the new technology involving procedures and equipment costs money and it costs us the consumer.

So the "scam" as some people see it goes far beyond the drug companies.

But taken as a whole it gives us longer and healthier lives thanks to basic research and private companies motivated by profit.

[PolWatch]

We have become too accepting of whatever pile of 'hay' corporations & the government want to feed us. We are not supposed to know that our tax dollars are using to fund the development of new drugs. Big Pharma then manufactures the drugs & charges us whatever they wish.

We talk about controlling the cost of programs like Medicare but Big Pharma has bought and paid for legislation that forbids bids for the lowest drugs....unlike the VA which purchases drugs on a lowest bid basis.

Let the pharm industry worry about 'their' overseas infringement issues....I'm concerned about our being overcharged issues....

[Chris]

The poeple who give a shit every week about correcting spelling are you and your ass lickers ... I don't care, I'm tapping away on a iPad.

If you don't have a capasity to engage in the thread then why don't you find a thread where you can.

It was a comment on the irony of accusing people of 'ignaraance'.

[Chris]

I have no problem with social welfare. ... social welfare is a civilized nation helping those who need help (notice, I said "help"... not indefinite support)Corporate welfare is nothing but pay-back for campaign donations. It completely destroys the entire concept of free- market....imo

Social welfare is payback for votes.

[Archer0915]

Drugs can be harmful as well as beneficial.

But basic research is more than just chemistry.

All the new technology involving procedures and equipment costs money and it costs us the consumer.

So the "scam" as some people see it goes far beyond the drug companies.

But taken as a whole it gives us longer and healthier lives thanks to basic research and private companies motivated by profit.

Longer lives mean more profit for the companies and more expenditures for the people. People have a fucking expiration date! All many of these drugs are is preservatives so they can suck more tax-payer funding.

If a person puts themselves in a shit situation through a lifestyle choice why the hell should others pay for it? Why the hell should we be paying for discounted drugs to fight AIDS in another country while BIG pharma makes BIG profits? The little guy running a small company is being destroyed by OBOZO care... It makes it much easier for the leftist commies (many are and I think Oboze is a Islamo/Commie sympathizer that is owned by the insurance and drug industry. Dont get me wrong all of them have masters up there and none truly answer to the people.

[Chris]

Corporate Greed ... supported by The Ingorant :wink:


... we know want the Corporations get, but what do the Ignorant get?



For one who takes from government you should speak of greed?

[Cigar]

For one who takes from government you should speak of greed?


I don't take jack-shit from anyone, Private or the Government ... they solicited me, not the other way around.

I provide a service or a product ... and they pay for that service or a product.

No one if giving anyone anything, get your head out of your ass and smell the fresh air.

[Mr. P]

Social welfare is payback for votes.


I don't take jack-shit from anyone, Private or the Government ... they solicited me, not the other way around.

I provide a service or a product ... and they pay for that service or a product.

No one if giving anyone anything, get your head out of your ass and smell the fresh air.

And the welfare citizens provide a service for the Democrats. Vote Democrat and we will give you shit.

[Cigar]

And the welfare citizens provide a service for the Democrats. Vote Democrat and we will give you $#@!.

That type of Entelligence worked wonders for you the last two Elections. So knowing that the Back and Hispanic population is only getting larger, you'd think being ignorant to reality would be counterproductive for smart Conservative Politics.

But then again ... what does Smart Conservative Politics look like? :laugh:

http://memecrunch.com/meme/AYSA/please-proceed-governor/image.png

[Mr. P]

That type of Entelligence worked wonders for you the last two Elections. So knowing that the Back and Hispanic population is only getting larger, you'd think being ignorant to reality would be counterproductive for smart Conservative Politics.

But then again ... what does Smart Conservative Politics look like? :laugh:

http://memecrunch.com/meme/AYSA/please-proceed-governor/image.png

I am sure we are all duly impressed with your Entelligence. However, some of the rest of us are intelligent also.

[The Xl]

So government redistributes our wealth to corporations, in various forms of corporate welfare, therefore, according to the OP, corporations owe us a debt? Well, why then so does every person who has ever received social welfare owe us.

Yes, that makes sense, it cannot be government's fault, not their responsibility.

These interests effectively lobby and buy the government and are ruling through proxy, same can't be said for the voters, which is quite sad, because we're supposed to live in a Republic.

Not quite the same.

[Archer0915]

Here we go again! Can anyone discuss anything without getting personal? I mean it was a rather good subject, even if Cigar meant it as a time passing poke at the right.

[Cigar]

I am sure we are all duly impressed with your Entelligence. However, some of the rest of us are intelligent also.

Yea ... be some of us arn't whining for the last 6 years over losing a Presidential Election.

Which one is you?

[Cigar]

Here we go again! Can anyone discuss anything without getting personal? I mean it was a rather good subject, even if @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) meant it as a time passing poke at the right.

I'm responding to other post just like you.

Not all post will be one you agree with ... that's life.

[Chris]

These interests effectively lobby and buy the government and are ruling through proxy, same can't be said for the voters, which is quite sad, because we're supposed to live in a Republic.

Not quite the same.



I think it the same thing. I recognize it's not on the same scale. And that much if not all the social welfare ends up purchasing goods from those same corporate interests lobbying government. It drains the middle class of wealth.

[Chris]

Yea ... be some of us arn't whining for the last 6 years over losing a Presidential Election.

Which one is you?



^Government school English.

[PolWatch]

Social welfare is payback for votes.

the way the system works now...true. I think the entire system (using the word loosely) needs a good shake up and reorganization....

[Mr. P]

These interests effectively lobby and buy the government and are ruling through proxy, same can't be said for the voters, which is quite sad, because we're supposed to live in a Republic.

Not quite the same.


I think it the same thing. I recognize it's not on the same scale. And that much if not all the social welfare ends up purchasing goods from those same corporate interests lobbying government. It drains the middle class of wealth.

It is not the same and it is not on the same scale, not individually. But when you add up the tens of millions of takers who vote for President, yeah, it kind of is the same. Corporations do not directly elect government. Individuals do.

[texan]

http://cdn.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_207295756.jpg


The corporate debt to society: $10,000 per household, per year. That estimate is based on facts, not the conservative-style emotion that might deny the responsibility for any debt to the American people. Wealth redistribution to big business has occurred in a variety of ways to be explained below. And there's some precedent for paying Americans for the use of their commonly-held resources. The Alaska Permanent Fund has been in effect, and widely popular, for over thirty years.

The Main Argument: Corporations Have Used Our Money To Build Their Businesses

Over half (57 percent) of basic research is paid for by our tax dollars. Corporations don't want to pay for this. It's easier for them to allow public money to do the startup work, and then, when profit potential is evident, to take over with applied R&D, often with patents that take the rights away from the rest of us.

All the technology in our phones and computers started this way, and continues to the present day. Pharmaceutical companies have depended on the National Institute of Health. The quadrillion-dollar trading capacity of the financial industry was made possible by government-funded Internet technology, and the big banks survived because of a $7 trillion public bailout.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/corporate-debt-society-10000-household-year

The dumbest shit I have ever seen.

[texan]

Don Hazen is the executive director of the Independent Media Institute and executive editor of the two-time Webby award-winning news site, AlterNet.org. AlterNet has been a top content provider in the progressive and independent media world since 1997, with consistently increasing audiences currently averaging 2.7 million unique visitors per month. The former publisher of Mother Jones magazine, Hazen has edited and co-edited several books, including Dangerous Brew: Exposing the Tea Party's Agenda to Take Over America; Start Making Sense: Turning the Lessons of Election 2004 into Winning Progressive Politics (http://www.amazon.com/Start-Making-Sense-Election-Progressive/dp/1931498849/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235008211&sr=1-1); and The 99%: How Occupy Wall Street Movement Is Changing America. Don conceived of and organized the two Media & Democracy Congresses in San Francisco and New York City, and has managed political campaigns in New York City for Ruth Messinger and David Dinkins. He holds an MA in counseling from the University of Massachusetts and a BA in politics from Princeton University.

just another group of FAR LEFT NUTS.......................Why do yo post this shit?

[Mr. P]

Don Hazen is the executive director of the Independent Media Institute and executive editor of the two-time Webby award-winning news site, AlterNet.org. AlterNet has been a top content provider in the progressive and independent media world since 1997, with consistently increasing audiences currently averaging 2.7 million unique visitors per month. The former publisher of Mother Jones magazine, Hazen has edited and co-edited several books, including Dangerous Brew: Exposing the Tea Party's Agenda to Take Over America; Start Making Sense: Turning the Lessons of Election 2004 into Winning Progressive Politics (http://www.amazon.com/Start-Making-Sense-Election-Progressive/dp/1931498849/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235008211&sr=1-1); and The 99%: How Occupy Wall Street Movement Is Changing America. Don conceived of and organized the two Media & Democracy Congresses in San Francisco and New York City, and has managed political campaigns in New York City for Ruth Messinger and David Dinkins. He holds an MA in counseling from the University of Massachusetts and a BA in politics from Princeton University.

just another group of FAR LEFT NUTS.......................Why do yo post this shit?

Because to some it is gospel.

[Chris]

It is not the same and it is not on the same scale, not individually. But when you add up the tens of millions of takers who vote for President, yeah, it kind of is the same. Corporations do not directly elect government. Individuals do.

Corporations pay for the advertising needed to sway voters.

It's all one big mess.

One difference is people really get very little for their votes. Corporations get a lot of ROI. (ROIalty!)

[Chris]

the way the system works now...true. I think the entire system (using the word loosely) needs a good shake up and reorganization....

As Jefferson put it: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

[Mac-7]

Longer lives mean more profit for the companies and more expenditures for the people. People have a $#@!ing expiration date! All many of these drugs are is preservatives so they can suck more tax-payer funding.

If a person puts themselves in a $#@! situation through a lifestyle choice why the hell should others pay for it? Why the hell should we be paying for discounted drugs to fight AIDS in another country while BIG pharma makes BIG profits? The little guy running a small company is being destroyed by OBOZO care... It makes it much easier for the leftist commies (many are and I think Oboze is a Islamo/Commie sympathizer that is owned by the insurance and drug industry. Dont get me wrong all of them have masters up there and none truly answer to the people.

If you want to die sooner that's your decision.

But I and most people I know enjoy life and are in absolutely in no hurry to kick the bucket.

so I think the medical companies that are advancing healthcare are the good guys and I don't mind paying for the services they provide.

[Archer0915]

If you want to die sooner that's your decision.

But I and most people I know enjoy life and are in absolutely in no hurry to kick the bucket.

so I think the medical companies that are advancing healthcare are the good guys and I don't mind paying for the services they provide.

Please evaluate that statement. You do not mind paying for all welfare recipients to use drugs and so as they please on someone elses dollar. You do not mind paying jacked up prices to give drugs away so the companies can keep people alive even longer to take more of your money?

Fuck that! Not another word about O-Care, you show you true self here.

[Mac-7]

Please evaluate that statement. You do not mind paying for all welfare recipients to use drugs and so as they please on someone elses dollar. You do not mind paying jacked up prices to give drugs away so the companies can keep people alive even longer to take more of your money?

$#@! that! Not another word about O-Care, you show you true self here.

Now you are talking about the political aspect of the welfare state.

That is a political decision society has made and you can't blame drug companies for that.

[Archer0915]

Now you are talking about the political aspect of the welfare state.

That is a political decision society has made and you can't blame drug companies for that.

Actually I can... Them and insurers!

http://www.jsonline.com/business/after-year-of-obamacare-health-insurers-profits-rise-b99381244z1-281190761.html



The health law, which will bring millions of uninsured Americans health benefits beginning in January 2014, will be a critical boon to pharmaceutical industry balance sheets, increasing revenue by one-third by the end of the decade, according to a new report from research and consulting firm GlobalData of London. That means the U.S. pharmaceutical industry’s market value will mushroom by 33 percent to $476 billion in 2020 from $359 billion last year.http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2013/05/25/obamacare-will-bring-drug-industry-35-billion-in-profits/


Just like that, Mr. Obama’s staff signaled a willingness to put aside support for the reimportation of prescription medicines at lower prices and by doing so solidified a compact with an industry the president had vilified on the campaign trail. Central to Mr. Obama’s drive to remake the nation’s health care system was an unlikely collaboration with the pharmaceutical industry that forced unappealing trade-offs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/us/politics/e-mails-reveal-extent-of-obamas-deal-with-industry-on-health-care.html?pagewanted=all

Research and dig deep to find truth.

[Mac-7]

Actually I can... Them and insurers!

http://www.jsonline.com/business/after-year-of-obamacare-health-insurers-profits-rise-b99381244z1-281190761.html


http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2013/05/25/obamacare-will-bring-drug-industry-35-billion-in-profits/



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/us/politics/e-mails-reveal-extent-of-obamas-deal-with-industry-on-health-care.html?pagewanted=all

Research and dig deep to find truth.

What company in their right mind would let drugs they sold at discount be reimported to undercut their sales?

[Cigar]

What company in their right mind would let drugs they sold at discount be reimported to undercut their sales?

Generic percription fillers

[Archer0915]

What company in their right mind would let drugs they sold at discount be reimported to undercut their sales?


you can't blame drug companies for that

And I can. You said I can not blame them but oh YEAH! Them in bed with insurers and Obozo and his dems. They forced profits over freedom of choice. it is all there in black and white bubba.

[zelmo1234]

If Chicago and it's neighboring countuies, towns and cities didn't have Communtor Rail System, it's High Way network couldn't support it's work force. I'm sure that the case for many other major cities.

Several High Tech Companies came to Chicago for the reason, so that the tallerom the suburbs can get to them.

If the rail system in most cities was not subsidized by tax dollars they would go bankrupt. So should we start deducting all of the things that we subsidies that the left likes for example Green energy, which as of yet has not produced a profitable business?

[zelmo1234]

:geez:I'm not suprised of the ignaraance ... really I'm not :facepalm:

I'm not a pure defender of Government ... but I have several Government Contracts that are supported 100% by American Private Workers. So when people who don't have such business think that know everything about Government Contracts and how they work, all I can do is let the idiots prove that they are ingorant of the facts.

So then would you not be part of the problem? Why wouldn't the government just hire its own people to do what you are doing?

Because you can do it cheaper I would guess. The same goes with much of the R & D corporations have the labs and the talent, so it is much cheaper to use them to subsidize the research