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eninn
06-24-2012, 08:50 AM
The imposition of the veil to the rule of God and the secrets of great, and commendable virtues, and the goals and the interests of large, including:

First: Remember Width: Veil guard to save the legitimacy of the symptoms, and the payment of the reasons for suspicion and strife and corruption.

Second: purity of heart: a farewell to the purity of the veil hearts of the believers, men and women, and architecture piety, and to maximize privacy. And sincerity of God - the Almighty - {that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts}.

Third, good manners: the veil is to provide an advocate morals of chastity and modesty and shyness, jealousy, and the blocking of of pollution and depravity

Fourth, a sign of the chaste: the veil on the sign of the legitimacy of Silks chaste in their chastity and honor, and the distance from the impurity of suspicion and doubt: { (59) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful }, and the apparent evidence of Salah Salah al-Batin,


Fifth: cutting ambitions and Discussion diabolical: the veil and prevention of social harm, diseases of the hearts of men and women, cut off further ambitions promiscuous, and keeps eyes treacherous, and pay the harm a man in his presentation, and harm women in the view, and male relative, and prevention of throwing chaste , and desecrated the suspicion and doubt, and other passing thoughts diabolical.

Sixth: Remember modesty: it is taken from life, there is no life without him, which create deposited God in the soul that he wanted - Almighty - honored, also cause the virtues, and pay in the faces of vices, one of the human characteristics, and qualities of instinct, and the creation of Islam, and modesty is a branch of people of faith, one of the qualities of Mahmoud endorsed by the Arabs and Islam and called for by the veil only effective way to save the modesty, and take off take off the veil of modesty.

Seventh: The veil prevents the wanton display and unveiling the influence of mixing and communities to the people of Islam.

Eighth: the veil immunity against adultery, pornography, so that the women of each vessel and clear.

IX: Women roughness, and the veil cover her, and that of piety, God said: (26) O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember. . Al-Araf (The Heights) } (custom / 26).

Ten: Remember jealousy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IykFGpSuys

Peter1469
06-24-2012, 08:57 AM
It is strange that such extensive clothing developed in a culture that lives in such a hot environment. What a commentary of a people: we must make our women cover up so our men don't rape them.

MMC
06-24-2012, 09:34 AM
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-1/)
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-2/)
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-3/)
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-4/)
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-5/)
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-6/)
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-7/)
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-8/)
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-9/)
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-10/)
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-11/)
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-12/)
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-13/)
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-14/)
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-15/)
16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-11-16/)


http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-Chapter-11/

MMC
06-24-2012, 09:44 AM
Every man who praying or prohesying having their head covered, dishonoureth their own head.

Do you think that includes Turbans and the rags worn around one's head?

Note: Doesn't say Woman!

roadmaster
06-24-2012, 02:02 PM
:grin: This reminds me so much of my Grandmothers. Both would not cut their hair, just trim. When they would take it down at night and brush it, they were so pretty to me even in their 70's ect. Have to admit I do cut mine but it's around three inches still below my shoulders.

MMC
06-24-2012, 02:08 PM
Never hide the Creator's Masterpiece! :kiss:

Goldie Locks
06-24-2012, 03:07 PM
Never hide the Creator's Masterpiece! :kiss:

That's why he had people invent scissors and hair dressers...LOL

MMC
06-24-2012, 03:18 PM
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4908396608882547&pid=1.7&w=160&h=138&c=7&rs=1 http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I5062207971524789&pid=1.7&w=125&h=155&c=7&rs=1

Thats Funny.....I didn't see any Muslims or Arabs running around telling this one she had to cover up her face or that she couldn't go out in public. Nor that she couldn't marry a foreigner. Nor that she couldn't have sex with his generals when she wanted to. Nor that she couldn't paint her face and most of all not one of them told her she couldn't drive whatever damn Chariot she wanted to. :wink:

eninn
06-24-2012, 06:15 PM
Imposition of the veil, such as prayer and fasting .... And so on
There is no freedom left in the commands of God

eninn
06-24-2012, 06:17 PM
Terms Islamic hijab?! :
A: The Islamic hijab must meet the 8 conditions as the scholars said, are:
1 - Not to be a garment of fame.
2 - and that is not brazen thin (ie, should not be transparent).
3 - and that covers her all the body except his face palms.
4 - and that is not in itself a decoration.
5 - and not to be embodied for the body (ie, should not be tight).
6 - and should not be perfumed with bakhoor.
7 - and that does not resemble the clothing of the man.
8 - Finally, that does not resemble the dress of kaafir women.

MMC
06-24-2012, 06:22 PM
Those scholars can be disputed based on the fact of woman in natural form. Covering is covered whether see thru or not. Even the American Indians would change their covering with the seasons. All that came naturally and not with a man made religion.

MMC
06-24-2012, 06:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvQiJcmYAM

Don't take me the wrong way Eninn.....thats not to say there is no Beauty of the Veil.

But such is the choice of woman and not anyone else's. Whether she chooses to do so freely of her own free will and God given right. The choice is hers to make.

MMC
06-24-2012, 06:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J71aD2U0Zcc&feature=related

More and what make up do they use Eninn?

MMC
06-24-2012, 06:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xxAhtkcoEQ&feature=related

I can understand women that choose to be modest before thier Mankind. But this is not for any man to come between the Lord and that Individual Soul. There are many women in the US that do not dress outside modest means nor with vanity.

roadmaster
06-24-2012, 06:43 PM
Women should be free to decide. But with that said, we should not try to push American especially liberal standards on them. Just look at what they let happen at the White House I believe Trin showed on another thread. Giving the finger to President Reagan.

MMC
06-24-2012, 06:47 PM
What is the difference between Hijab and Niqab?

MMC
06-24-2012, 06:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyVpJj9UbL8&feature=relmfu

This we understand is being said Eninn.....I have no issue with this whatsoever. So be it it is the woman who is deciding and not some scholars sitting around a Temple, Mosque, Church, or any other holy building you can think of. :wink:

MMC
06-24-2012, 07:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DuzhGdeQ4E&feature=related

For you Eninn.....also why do the women draw or mark their hands wrists and forearms as some appear to be runes like that of the Magi. What is the difference in the make up Muslim or Arabic women use as opposed to Western make up? Such as Covergirl or Revlon etc etc?

URF8
06-24-2012, 09:22 PM
There is no place for misogyny.

eninn
06-25-2012, 03:28 PM
Hijab is an obligation and a necessity for every Muslim woman
In order to protect them from any harm or assault
Veiled women that encourages you to respect them
Women dressed in scandalous
Extremists
Encourages you to abuse her
Regardless of the laws

First
Beautiful make-up
But
Used by the wife
To her husband at home

Outside the home
Prohibited by Islam
Because this
Temptation for men

These models bad



Hijab is the cover that covers the hair and neck and a large part of the body
The Niqab
It cover the face and body so you do not know who is the woman who wears
Both are correct
For ladies



The paint on hand
Beautiful
Flowers, for example
Not draw people or animals
Only to the husband at home

eninn
06-25-2012, 03:50 PM
The difference between a tattoo
And painting henna on the human body
Whether man or woman

Henna painting is not forbidden
Because it is
Removed with water after a certain time of the drawing
Used by women to their husbands only


Tattoo
forbidden
The reason for the prohibition of tattooing is
Changing the creation of God by adding graphics
The body through acupuncture
Colors of green or other colors

Peter1469
06-25-2012, 04:19 PM
Hijab is an obligation and a necessity for every Muslim woman
In order to protect them from any harm or assault
Veiled women that encourages you to respect them
Women dressed in scandalous
Extremists
Encourages you to abuse her
Regardless of the laws

First
Beautiful make-up
But
Used by the wife
To her husband at home

Outside the home
Prohibited by Islam
Because this
Temptation for men

These models bad



Hijab is the cover that covers the hair and neck and a large part of the body
The Niqab
It cover the face and body so you do not know who is the woman who wears
Both are correct
For ladies



The paint on hand
Beautiful
Flowers, for example
Not draw people or animals
Only to the husband at home

That is what I said above. Force women to cover up because men will rape them otherwise. Sounds like a wonderful society.

MMC
06-25-2012, 07:24 PM
Thanks for explaining Eninn.....about Hijab and Niqab.

So what about the differences in the make up used or are they same as the cosmetics from the West. Also Eninn.....what about Arab peoples and the Women. Before the coming of Mohammed. Even Before the beginnings of Sharia were even thought of. Not all Arab women covered themselves. Never was it so in the beginning.

So the drawings on the hands are like a tattoo? Just that wash off. They have the same here as well as those that are permanent. So they have nothing to do with being religious markings then right?

What do you think about men that wear earrings in their ears?

URF8
06-25-2012, 07:31 PM
I can barely contain myself over this thread. I guess it's best if I STFU. Shakes head in revulsion.

MMC
06-25-2012, 08:14 PM
I can barely contain myself over this thread. I guess it's best if I STFU. Shakes head in revulsion.

Myself I don't have a problem with Eninn trying to communicate with us and explain things from his or her perspective. Nor what he or she has been taught. I think he or she might be somewhat younger. Moreover I havent seen this individual talking any shiznit about others nor trying to tell them this is the way they have to be. I do think they have difficulty in understanding what might be something that is common for all. Especially in relating as to why and how with Westerners.

Trust me.....I would rather talk to Eninn then the other two we have round here and that garbage they spew. Especially when they feel they can get away with the shit talkin and then try and act like they are accousted when confronted by those that don't play like they do.

Tho I would like to hear from D-Swami on this and what his Buddhist teachings have to say. Plus he is somewhat familiar with the Hindu Script. So we could get a pespective that way as well.

Then we have RW.....he is from Taiwan. So it would be good to hear his thoughts on this too.

Goldie Locks
06-25-2012, 08:17 PM
I would like to know if the OP is a man or woman. It has been my experience that generally these things come from Muslim men, not women.

MMC
06-25-2012, 08:26 PM
I would like to know if the OP is a man or woman. It has been my experience that generally these things come from Muslim men, not women.

Even if the individual is male and young then we know what he has been taught and indoctrinated with. Course Women In Pakistan and India also wear veils. But don't necessarily cover themselves completely up. Then there are the South American Women. Also women that live in those tropical areas of the world where veils and garb just is not worn.

What do you think about Arab women and their make-up as opposed to women in the west and their use of make-up?

Another point is if they are putting washable markings on their hands and forearms. Even tho as like it was stated done so for their husband. Then this is still a clear sign of an individual's vanity.

Goldie Locks
06-25-2012, 08:32 PM
Even if the individual is male and young then we know what he has been taught and indoctrinated with. Course Women In Pakistan and India also wear veils. But don't necessarily cover themselves completely up. Then there are the South American Women. Also women that live in those tropical areas of the world where veils and garb just is not worn.

What do you think about Arab women and their make-up as opposed to women in the west and their use of make-up?

Another point is if they are putting washable markings on their hands and forearms. Even tho as like it was stated done so for their husband. Then this is still a clear sign of an individual's vanity.


My intent was to show how Sharia law works. If this person is truly Muslim, it's not a woman. In other words, I know what he was taught. I know what they want of the world. Veils are the least of my worries.

MMC
06-26-2012, 07:40 AM
Heya RW.....Whats your thoughts on this?

eninn
06-26-2012, 10:21 AM
- Cosmetics just a tool for use

But

The difference in
How to use
In the street or at home( for husband only


- To know the history of the hijab


In ignorance
Hijab for women with high-Shan
Housemaid did not wear veil to signify that a simple


Veil something basically
Not only in Islam
But
In Judaism and Christianity also
By interpolating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vnf9yJGy9Dc

http://www.biblestudytools.com/song-of-solomon/4.html%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%AA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covering_of_the_eyes

וּלְשָׂרָה אָמַר, הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי אֶלֶף כֶּסֶף לְאָחִיךְ--הִנֵּה הוּא-לָךְ כְּסוּת עֵינַיִם, לְכֹל אֲשֶׁר אִתָּךְ; וְאֵת כֹּל, וְנֹכָחַת

"And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved" Genesis 20:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H0f26n5Hyno

http://www.12allchat.com/chatters/do.php?img=143939

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208421_179957418720282_159859037396787_414611_7626 199_n.jpg


It's simple

Why did God create man on earth?
Of course
To unite the one God and walk straight on
the road and reconstruction of the ground

From the beginning of Adam peace be upon him,
and Noah and Abraham and Lot and Hood and
Shuaib, Elias, Jacob, Joseph ....... Solomon,
Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them

All the prophets, their message is one
Of different races
Bani Israel .... And the Arabs

But
People do not want to recognize this fact
Everyone is on the whims

So God says in the Holy Qur'an
(122) Then his Lord chose him and turned to
him in forgiveness and guided [him].
(123) [ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise
- all, [your descendants] being enemies to
one another. And if there should come to you
guidance from Me - then whoever follows My
guidance will neither go astray [in the
world] nor suffer [in the Hereafter].
(124) And whoever turns away from My
remembrance - indeed, he will have a
depressed life, and We will gather him on the
Day of Resurrection blind."
(125) He will say, "My Lord, why have you
raised me blind while I was [once] seeing?"

(126) [ Allah ] will say, "Thus did Our signs
come to you, and you forgot them; and thus
will you this Day be forgotten."
(127) And thus do We recompense he who
transgressed and did not believe in the signs
of his Lord. And the punishment of the
Hereafter is more severe and more enduring.

(12 Then, has it not become clear to them
how many generations We destroyed before them
as they walk among their dwellings? Indeed in
that are signs for those of intelligence.


(38 We said, "Go down from it, all of you.
And when guidance comes to you from Me,
whoever follows My guidance – there will be
no fear concerning them, nor will they
grieve.
(39) And those who disbelieve and deny Our
signs – those will be companions of the Fire;
they will abide therein eternally."
(40) O Children of Israel, remember My favor
which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My
covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your
covenant [from Me], and be afraid of [only]
Me.
(41) And believe in what I have sent down
confirming that which is [already] with you,
and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And
do not exchange My signs for a small price,
and fear [only] Me.
(42) And do not mix the truth with falsehood
or conceal the truth while you know [it].
(43) And establish prayer and give zak h and
bow with those who bow [in worship and
obedience].


Narated By Abu Huraira : I heard Allah's
Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the
people to the son of Mary, and all the
prophets are paternal brothers, and there has
been no prophet between me and him (i.e.
Jesus)."

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Prophets,
Hadith Number:3480, Narrated by: Abu-Huraira

Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle
said, "Both in this world and in the
Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people
to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are
paternal brothers; their mothers are
different, but their religion is one."

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Prophets,
Hadith Number:3481, Narrated by: Abu-Huraira



-men that wear earrings in their ears

This thing has been forbidden in Islamic law


True that the Prophet peace be upon him, he said: "{God cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women}"

eninn
06-26-2012, 10:21 AM
- Cosmetics just a tool for use

But

The difference in
How to use
In the street or at home( for husband only


- To know the history of the hijab


In ignorance
Hijab for women with high-Shan
Housemaid did not wear veil to signify that a simple


Veil something basically
Not only in Islam
But
In Judaism and Christianity also
By interpolating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vnf9yJGy9Dc

http://www.biblestudytools.com/song-of-solomon/4.html%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%AA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covering_of_the_eyes

וּלְשָׂרָה אָמַר, הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי אֶלֶף כֶּסֶף לְאָחִיךְ--הִנֵּה הוּא-לָךְ כְּסוּת עֵינַיִם, לְכֹל אֲשֶׁר אִתָּךְ; וְאֵת כֹּל, וְנֹכָחַת

"And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved" Genesis 20:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H0f26n5Hyno

http://www.12allchat.com/chatters/do.php?img=143939

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208421_179957418720282_159859037396787_414611_7626 199_n.jpg


It's simple

Why did God create man on earth?
Of course
To unite the one God and walk straight on
the road and reconstruction of the ground

From the beginning of Adam peace be upon him,
and Noah and Abraham and Lot and Hood and
Shuaib, Elias, Jacob, Joseph ....... Solomon,
Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them

All the prophets, their message is one
Of different races
Bani Israel .... And the Arabs

But
People do not want to recognize this fact
Everyone is on the whims

So God says in the Holy Qur'an
(122) Then his Lord chose him and turned to
him in forgiveness and guided [him].
(123) [ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise
- all, [your descendants] being enemies to
one another. And if there should come to you
guidance from Me - then whoever follows My
guidance will neither go astray [in the
world] nor suffer [in the Hereafter].
(124) And whoever turns away from My
remembrance - indeed, he will have a
depressed life, and We will gather him on the
Day of Resurrection blind."
(125) He will say, "My Lord, why have you
raised me blind while I was [once] seeing?"

(126) [ Allah ] will say, "Thus did Our signs
come to you, and you forgot them; and thus
will you this Day be forgotten."
(127) And thus do We recompense he who
transgressed and did not believe in the signs
of his Lord. And the punishment of the
Hereafter is more severe and more enduring.

(12 Then, has it not become clear to them
how many generations We destroyed before them
as they walk among their dwellings? Indeed in
that are signs for those of intelligence.


(38 We said, "Go down from it, all of you.
And when guidance comes to you from Me,
whoever follows My guidance there will be
no fear concerning them, nor will they
grieve.
(39) And those who disbelieve and deny Our
signs those will be companions of the Fire;
they will abide therein eternally."
(40) O Children of Israel, remember My favor
which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My
covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your
covenant [from Me], and be afraid of [only]
Me.
(41) And believe in what I have sent down
confirming that which is [already] with you,
and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And
do not exchange My signs for a small price,
and fear [only] Me.
(42) And do not mix the truth with falsehood
or conceal the truth while you know [it].
(43) And establish prayer and give zak h and
bow with those who bow [in worship and
obedience].


Narated By Abu Huraira : I heard Allah's
Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the
people to the son of Mary, and all the
prophets are paternal brothers, and there has
been no prophet between me and him (i.e.
Jesus)."

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Prophets,
Hadith Number:3480, Narrated by: Abu-Huraira

Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle
said, "Both in this world and in the
Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people
to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are
paternal brothers; their mothers are
different, but their religion is one."

Sahih al-Bukhary, The Book of Prophets,
Hadith Number:3481, Narrated by: Abu-Huraira



-men that wear earrings in their ears

This thing has been forbidden in Islamic law


True that the Prophet peace be upon him, he said: "{God cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women}"

roadmaster
06-26-2012, 12:21 PM
True that the Prophet peace be upon him, he said: "{God cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women}"

You are aware that would be a hate speech in America. Praying on the streets, one person can say they are offended, most likely an atheist and have everyone removed. Prayer is not allowed in graduation ceremonies anymore. Things have changed since I was young over here.

eninn
06-27-2012, 06:34 AM
The veil was worn by princesses of Europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnf9yJGy9Dc

MMC
06-27-2012, 09:05 AM
How come the 4 Morrocan Princesses don't wear veils all the time when they are out in public? Berbers correct?

Sultan
06-28-2012, 04:56 AM
Ennin I have to disagree with you.

In our region all women and men wore clothing to cover all the skin and even face from the hot sun and sand. That was normal. Your post makes it sound not normal.
Back in those days everyone male and female covered to first keep cool and second to shade from the burning rays of the sun.
Male and female wore head coverings and still do to this day.

The Quran is talking about the women when they go out in those days to cover the chest area. As you well know the pagans prostitutes used to uncover part of the chest area to attract the men and the Quran was telling the Muslims to keep that area covered to distinguish them from the pagan prostitutes so they would not be annoyed by men when they went out.

The Quran does not say cover the hair. Not anywhere in the Quran. Thats because everyone already did cover their hair.

Your interpretation is coming from Abdelwahab centuries later.

It is wrong.

MMC
06-28-2012, 05:35 AM
Heya RW.....wasn't there some Chinese that wore Veils and Head Coverings. I am going back to when there was like 125 of the Warring States. Not just modern times. Looking back at the beginning as well as to the advent of and before the starting of the Islamic and Christian Religions. Or were those just Nobles and was that done out of Vanity?

eninn
06-28-2012, 07:17 AM
Evidence of the veil of the Quran and Sunnah

Of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
First directory
God says in the Quran

30. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do

The second directory
God says in the Quran


59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Wearing the veil is
Command from God to the believing women that covers the veil of the head, face, neck, upper chest, and chest. This wrap veil placed by women on her head, and throw it from the right side of the shoulder on the left
.


From the Sunnah

Aisha said: May Allah have mercy on the foremost women of the Muhajirun! When Allah revealed the verse, “Draw their cloaks over their bodies,” (24:31) they cut their sheets and veiled themselves with them.
[Sahih Bukhari, Book 60, Number 282]

Sultan
06-28-2012, 09:46 AM
Evidence of the veil of the Quran and Sunnah

Of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
First directory
God says in the Quran

30. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do

This verse is not about women and is not about Hijab




59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

The parts in brackets is NOT in the Quran. Obviously thats why they are in brackets!

Here is the correct verse

33.59 "O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."


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Wearing the veil is
Command from God to the believing women that covers the veil of the head, face, neck, upper chest, and chest. This wrap veil placed by women on her head, and throw it from the right side of the shoulder on the left
.
Nothing in Quran says this. Women already done this. Men also. Thats what people who lived in 50 degrees in the Arabian desert do and done.


From the Sunnah

Aisha said: May Allah have mercy on the foremost women of the Muhajirun! When Allah revealed the verse, “Draw their cloaks over their bodies,” (24:31) they cut their sheets and veiled themselves with them.
[Sahih Bukhari, Book 60, Number 282]

Cloak! not Hijab!

As I already said the Muslim women were instructed to wear a cloak or jilbab over the chest area when they went out so as not to be mistaken for the pagan prostitutes.

Stop adding things that are not there. You do no favour to Islam by distorting the Quran.

eninn
06-28-2012, 01:31 PM
First
Koranic verses
True

And you do not know

Because you are a non-Muslim


The Koranic verses
Can be interpreted
In brackets

For ease of understanding
This interpretation is
Of senior
Muslim scholars

Secondly
Quran is clear
Hair Woman's Adornment
Every part in the woman's body
Must be
Covered from
Hair to feet
Learn before you speak
Upper class women of Muhammad's society had been wearing veils for hundreds of years before he imposed it. It was a sign of class and respect, as opposed to the heathen commoners who wore open robes or went topless (much easier to nurse in). As much as I hate and debate against Islam, I WILL give him credit that originally (in cultural context), the wearing of the veil truly was liberating for women, because it protected their identity and made men doubt their lower class status in public, which protected them from harassment
I also don't think we should pretend that a woman's body and seduction has no power over a man which can influence the man into committing a terrible crime. Obviously the man is entirely responsible for his own actions, but the good thing about Islam is that it recognizes, to a degree, the obvious dynamics of life and nature, and doesn't try to pretend that they don't exist like the liberals of today.

It's like putting a bag of cash in the open on your front lawn. Of no one is allowed to go take your cash, but your still an idiot for leaving it out in the open when it's an obvious and natural product of corruption

You have a foundational and basic misunderstanding of the religion of Islam from most aspects ranging from the basics like hijab to the nature of the Prophet Muhammad. I really suggest you read the Qur'an, slowly and carefully

MMC
06-28-2012, 01:50 PM
First
Koranic verses
True

And you do not know

Because you are a non-Muslim


The Koranic verses
Can be interpreted
In brackets

For ease of understanding
This interpretation is
Of senior
Muslim scholars

Secondly
Quran is clear
Hair Woman's Adornment
Every part in the woman's body
Must be
Covered from
Hair to feet
Learn before you speak
Upper class women of Muhammad's society had been wearing veils for hundreds of years before he imposed it. It was a sign of class and respect, as opposed to the heathen commoners who wore open robes or went topless (much easier to nurse in). As much as I hate and debate against Islam, I WILL give him credit that originally (in cultural context), the wearing of the veil truly was liberating for women, because it protected their identity and made men doubt their lower class status in public, which protected them from harassment
I also don't think we should pretend that a woman's body and seduction has no power over a man which can influence the man into committing a terrible crime. Obviously the man is entirely responsible for his own actions, but the good thing about Islam is that it recognizes, to a degree, the obvious dynamics of life and nature, and doesn't try to pretend that they don't exist like the liberals of today.

It's like putting a bag of cash in the open on your front lawn. Of no one is allowed to go take your cash, but your still an idiot for leaving it out in the open when it's an obvious and natural product of corruption

You have a foundational and basic misunderstanding of the religion of Islam from most aspects ranging from the basics like hijab to the nature of the Prophet Muhammad. I really suggest you read the Qur'an, slowly and carefully

Alright Eninn. :highfive: Take him to school and make him do that :homework: :thumbsup20:

Sultan
06-28-2012, 05:12 PM
Hijab is the cover that covers the hair and neck and a large part of the body

The Niqab
It cover the face and body so you do not know who is the woman who wears

I think you need to learn Arabic because you do not know the meaning of Hijab and Niqab

Deadwood
06-28-2012, 05:46 PM
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4908396608882547&pid=1.7&w=160&h=138&c=7&rs=1 http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I5062207971524789&pid=1.7&w=125&h=155&c=7&rs=1

Thats Funny.....I didn't see any Muslims or Arabs running around telling this one she had to cover up her face or that she couldn't go out in public. Nor that she couldn't marry a foreigner. Nor that she couldn't have sex with his generals when she wanted to. Nor that she couldn't paint her face and most of all not one of them told her she couldn't drive whatever damn Chariot she wanted to. :wink:



There is a rather profound explanation for that. Islam had not been invented during the time of ancient Egypt. And no, I doubt even Ceasar had much sway in that court.

Peter1469
06-28-2012, 07:48 PM
It wasn't invented until the 7th Century.

Trinnity
06-28-2012, 10:00 PM
And it's been a form of totalitarian govt disguised as a religion and a cancer on humanity ever since. :mad:

Peter1469
06-28-2012, 11:57 PM
And it's been a form of totalitarian govt disguised as a religion and a cancer on humanity ever since. :mad:

It is a chicken or the egg sort of question. I suspect that the culture that embraces Islam wanted a totalitarian government and used Islam to cement it into society.

Sultan
06-29-2012, 08:05 AM
It wasn't invented until the 7th Century.

wrong

Abraham was the first Muslim.

The first to worship one God according to the meaning of the Arabic word 'Muslim'

eninn
06-29-2012, 12:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD4AE16O2NU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3z9Fxgx5PM

MMC
06-30-2012, 10:47 AM
It wasn't invented until the 7th Century.

Does the World Encyclopedia, Colliers and Britannica say that? :wink:

MMC
07-01-2012, 08:09 AM
Good Day Eninn.....How are you doing? Thanks for the Video on the marriage portion. :smiley:

eninn
07-03-2012, 06:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3z9Fxgx5PM

eninn
07-03-2012, 06:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD4AE16O2NU

Captain Obvious
07-03-2012, 08:56 PM
You know, it's funny how Islamic tradition is to wrap their women up in fucking sleeping bags so that they don't tempt men, how about putting a fucking vice grip on the guys dicks for a change?

eninn
07-08-2012, 09:50 AM
Thank you for reading topic

MMC
07-08-2012, 12:40 PM
Thank you for reading topic




Interesting read Eninn. Hope you are not having problems understanding how those in the west percieve things. Wish we could have some other from other Countries weigh-in. Like From South America and the East.

Also Eninn please do me a favor. When posting up a thread. Try not to copy the whole piece. You can get most of the important points and throw up the link. Those interested will check it out.

Moreover Eninn.....feel free to ask questions yourself. :smiley:

wingrider
07-08-2012, 09:00 PM
Imposition of the veil, such as prayer and fasting .... And so on
There is no freedom left in the commands of God

there are no freedoms left under sharia law..

angelica fernandes
07-27-2012, 08:21 AM
In the recent years, Islamic dress has been emerged as abiding sites of the contention in the relationship between Muslim communities and the State. Should we listen to the western media or the western women who accept Islam after experiencing the so called freedom? The west has left no stone unturned in shattering the dignity of a woman, and then they are ready to give lectures to others on how to treat women with dignity. State has to make laws and we obey them, but they don't have the right to tell us what to wear and how to wear, this is our freedom. HIJAB is a choice for the women not a compulsion or oppression. It is on the will of the women not the by the enforcement of men. It's all by faith. It's what we are so there is no shame or hindrance to wear it. Covering is a sign of purity and dignity.

Trinnity
07-27-2012, 09:00 AM
Is it their choice?

Goldie Locks
07-27-2012, 09:11 AM
In the recent years, Islamic dress has been emerged as abiding sites of the contention in the relationship between Muslim communities and the State. Should we listen to the western media or the western women who accept Islam after experiencing the so called freedom? The west has left no stone unturned in shattering the dignity of a woman, and then they are ready to give lectures to others on how to treat women with dignity. State has to make laws and we obey them, but they don't have the right to tell us what to wear and how to wear, this is our freedom. HIJAB is a choice for the women not a compulsion or oppression. It is on the will of the women not the by the enforcement of men. It's all by faith. It's what we are so there is no shame or hindrance to wear it. Covering is a sign of purity and dignity.


So the western woman has no dignity left, no western man treats his woman with respect and dignity and you're only pure and dignified if you were one or if you are Muslim???

Yep, nothing has changed...Islam has no tolerance for anything but Islam.

Captain Obvious
07-27-2012, 07:43 PM
Is it their choice?

On paper, probably yes but consider that their voiced opinion is being made under an entire world of duress.

Agravan
07-27-2012, 09:42 PM
wrong

Abraham was the first Muslim.

The first to worship one God according to the meaning of the Arabic word 'Muslim'
God and allah are not one and the same.

roadmaster
07-27-2012, 10:20 PM
wrong

Abraham was the first Muslim.

The first to worship one God according to the meaning of the Arabic word 'Muslim'

Actually, he was Hebrew.

Trinnity
07-27-2012, 10:22 PM
On paper, probably yes but consider that their voiced opinion is being made under an entire world of duress.I believe that's true.

shaarona
09-04-2012, 09:06 AM
It is strange that such extensive clothing developed in a culture that lives in such a hot environment. What a commentary of a people: we must make our women cover up so our men don't rape them.

The Abaya and hijab protect from stinging sandstorms and the sun.

shaarona
09-04-2012, 09:09 AM
Actually, he was Hebrew.

The concept is a bit of a leap for Christians.

Abraham was "a friend of God", not a Hebrew. According to the story he was from somewhere around Basra.

The notion that he was Muslim means that he submitted to the will of God, like all the patriarchs. Its inclusive.

Captain Obvious
09-04-2012, 07:55 PM
The Abaya and hijab protect from stinging sandstorms and the sun.

In France?

shaarona
09-05-2012, 04:52 PM
In France?

I don't think the custom of hijab and abaya originated in France.