Imagine The Uproar If Obama Said This?

[Howey]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/


Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said Sunday that the U.S. handling of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine represents a "shameful" chapter of American history.

"I'm ashamed of my country, I'm ashamed of my president and I'm ashamed of myself that I haven't done more to help these people," McCain said in an interview on CBS' "Face the Nation."

[Common Sense]

He hates America. He wasn't even born in the US.

[silvereyes]

Kaboom! Heads would implode.

[birddog]

He hates America. He wasn't even born in the US.

I'm glad you agree with sane people that Obama is like that.

[silvereyes]

I'm glad you agree with sane people that Obama is like that.

You misspelled insane.

[DonFrijoles]

Obama's preacher said "God damn America". There was not much of an uproar, and it didn't really affect his election chances.

[iustitia]

Can't they all be assholes?

[Mac-7]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/

I agree.

MacLooseCannon said the wrong thing.

or at least the part about being ashamed of America.

[Safety]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/

You don't have to imagine, heads did explode when Michelle Obama said “For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country”. Now that McCain said he is ashamed, be prepared for utter silence from the right.

Someone should have a running tally of the hypocrisy witnessed.

[TrueBlue]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/
That's most unfortunate that McCain is ashamed of his country and his president. I believe it is now high time for him to high-tail it out of here and into another country he feels more comfortable with. It would sure be good riddance.

[Mac-7]

You don't have to imagine, heads did explode when Michelle Obama said “For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country”. Now that McCain said he is ashamed, be prepared for utter silence from the right.

Someone should have a running tally of the hypocrisy witnessed.

Moochelle Obama is an ungrateful slug who never served in uniform and didn't spend years of her life in the Hanoi Hilton.

[JDubya]

Well, I remember the drama queen, hissy-fit reaction by the right when Michelle Obama made the comment "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country" during the 2008 campaign.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000164722/polls_2008_02_19MSNBCMJMichelleO_4629_70657_poll_x large.jpeg

She later had to clarify her remarks by saying "What I was clearly talking about was that I'm proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process,"

Aamof, McCain's cheap floozy wife Cindy, was one of the first to jump all over Michelle's comments, by releasing a public statement saying "I have, and always will be, proud of my country."

Guess they'll all ignore this much worse anti-American comment by McCain.

Wonder if Cindy McCain will release another public comment letting us all know that, unlike her America-hating husband, she has & always will be, proud of her country.

John McCain is such an ass.

[Mac-7]

That's most unfortunate that McCain is ashamed of his country and his president. I believe it is now high time for him to high-tail it out of here and into another country he feels more comfortable with. It would sure be good riddance.

I'm so ashamed of our lazy golfer in chief that I don't call him president.

But not ashamed of America - just the stupid Obama voters that elected him.

[Howey]

That's most unfortunate that McCain is ashamed of his country and his president. I believe it is now high time for him to high-tail it out of here and into another country he feels more comfortable with. It would sure be good riddance.

Perhaps he could return to his Vietnamese benefactors?

[JDubya]

Moochelle Obama is an ungrateful slug who never served in uniform and didn't spend years of her life in the Hanoi Hilton.

If McCain hadn't been such a crappy pilot he wouldn't have either.

[Mac-7]

Well, I remember the drama queen, hissy-fit reaction by the right when Michelle Obama made the comment "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country" during the 2008 campaign.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000164722/polls_2008_02_19MSNBCMJMichelleO_4629_70657_poll_x large.jpeg

She later had to clarify her remarks by saying "What I was clearly talking about was that I'm proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process,"

Aamof, McCain's cheap floozy wife Cindy, was one of the first to jump all over Michelle's comments, by releasing a public statement saying "I have, and always will be, proud of my country."

Guess they'll all ignore this much worse anti-American comment by McCain.

Wonder if Cindy McCain will release another public comment letting us all know that, unlike her America-hating husband, she has & always will be, proud of her country.

John McCain is such an ass.

The First Moocher first said that quote without using the word "really."

then em she made another appearance later that day and added "really" to her stump speech after the shit hit the fan.

[Mac-7]

If McCain hadn't been such a crappy pilot he wouldn't have either.

Bullshit.

mccain was just as good as any other pilot flying over N Vietnam who was shot down by AA.

[PolWatch]

McCain's judgment seems to be deteriorating.

[Mac-7]

McCain's judgment seems to be deteriorating.

Yes, if he keeps sliding he will qualify as a full fledged lib pretty soon.

[Archer0915]

Ashamed? Let me see... Rampant consumerism, trillions of dollars in debt and growing, government lying about damn near everything, screw ups at every level, culture of meism, culture of fraud,..

I aint proud of it, that is for damn sure. I am ashamed of what this nation is evolving into!

[TrueBlue]

Perhaps he could return to his Vietnamese benefactors?
One could only hope. However, he has already expired for many, he just doesn't have the good sense to lie down.

[JDubya]

I'm so ashamed of our lazy golfer in chief that I don't call him president.

But not ashamed of America - just the stupid Obama voters that elected him.

And yet Bush... who sacrificed the lives of over 5,000 American service personel & threw the ME into chaos, gets a pass, right?

Well, of course he does.

Biggest retard to ever back his way into the WH screwed up the country & the rest of the world, asleep at the wheel on 9/11 & allowed the worst act of terrorism to happen on Amercian soil in history.... but the geniuses on the right save all their real hatred for Obama.

http://s21.postimg.org/nzonjw17b/jethrobush.jpg

Hyuk hyuk!!!!

[Archer0915]

Ashamed? Let me see... Rampant consumerism, trillions of dollars in debt and growing, government lying about $#@! near everything, screw ups at every level, culture of meism, culture of fraud,..

I aint proud of it, that is for $#@! sure. I am ashamed of what this nation is evolving into!

Might I add this is not support for McCain. I got no use for the war mongering shithead. His time has past and he just needs attention.

[JDubya]

The First Moocher first said that quote without using the word "really."

then em she made another appearance later that day and added "really" to her stump speech after the $#@! hit the fan.

But she never said she was ashamed of her country.

Like America hatin McCain did.

[texan]

Obama did say that..........."This is the first time in my life I am proud of my country."

Worse IMO.

[Mister D]

You don't have to imagine, heads did explode when Michelle Obama said “For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country”. Now that McCain said he is ashamed, be prepared for utter silence from the right.

Someone should have a running tally of the hypocrisy witnessed.

I'm sort of from the right. I've mocked McCain repeatedly.

[Safety]

I'm so ashamed of our lazy golfer in chief that I don't call him president.

But not ashamed of America - just the stupid Obama voters that elected him.

A president that was elected by American voters. If you don't like the him, you don't like the office. You don't like the office, you can't really like America.

This isn't Cuba or North Korea.

[Archer0915]

Might I add being ashamed of something is not hating it! The left will twist anything they can to attack the right. It is hard to be hurt or ashamed of something if you do not love it.

DEF: embarrassed or guilty because of one's actions, characteristics, or associations.

[Safety]

Obama did say that..........."This is the first time in my life I am proud of my country."

Worse IMO.

No, the quote is there for you to read. She said this was the first time in her adult life that she is really proud of her country. Really proud.

The rest of the time she was just proud.

[texan]

How about this one, "George Bush is not a patriot."

Shall we go get the things he said before he was president? Cause he said a lot of BullShit things.....

[TrueBlue]

Obama did say that..........."This is the first time in my life I am proud of my country."

Worse IMO.
Not at all because looking back to the early and Pre Sixties days and to Selma, that her folks and so many others went through, could she honestly be blamed for looking back at that time period and describing the horrors at least in those polite terms?

[texan]

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." –in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." –in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified, Sept. 7, 2008

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

Evidently saying stupid things doesn't disqualify you from being President..............The guy is a fing Genius I say....

[Cigar]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/

Would you believe these morons are going to shutdown Homeland Security? They hate Obama soo much, they are willing to put you, me and themselves in danger.

But guess who's the safest American at home and everywhere else?

What a bunch of idiots this GOP Congress is. :rollseyes:

[zelmo1234]

That's most unfortunate that McCain is ashamed of his country and his president. I believe it is now high time for him to high-tail it out of here and into another country he feels more comfortable with. It would sure be good riddance.

So then would it be OK if the GLBT community just high-tailed it to a country that they liked better????? Of course not

Be very careful when calling for someone to leave.

[Mac-7]

And yet Bush... who sacrificed the lives of over 5,000 American service personel & threw the ME into chaos, gets a pass, right?

Well, of course he does.

Biggest retard to ever back his way into the WH screwed up the country & the rest of the world, asleep at the wheel on 9/11 & allowed the worst act of terrorism to happen on Amercian soil in history.... but the geniuses on the right save all their real hatred for Obama.

http://s21.postimg.org/nzonjw17b/jethrobush.jpg

Hyuk hyuk!!!!

I'm no apologist for lousy baby boomer presidents.

We've had three including Bush and they all suck.

[Mac-7]

But she never said she was ashamed of her country.

Like America hatin McCain did.

True.

maccain said it and I don't approve.

[Mac-7]

A president that was elected by American voters.

Dip shit American voters.

the dumbest of the dumb.

[TrueBlue]

So then would it be OK if the GLBT community just high-tailed it to a country that they liked better????? Of course not

Be very careful when calling for someone to leave.
Listen, the difference is that the LGBT community is not a high-profile Washington figure and has not said they are ashamed of their country and its president. McCain has. Again, McCain should leave America. That is an imperative. This country clearly is no place for him to reside.

[TrueBlue]

Dip shit American voters.

the dumbest of the dumb.
Oh and the ones who elected the Very Smart Dubya weren't? http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/12.gif

[TrueBlue]

would you believe these morons are going to shutdown homeland security? They hate obama soo much, they are willing to put you, me and themselves in danger.

But guess who's the safest american at home and everywhere else?

What a bunch of idiots this gop congress is. :rollseyes:


Touche'!!!

[Mac-7]

Oh and the ones who elected the Very Smart Dubya weren't? http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/rolleye/12.gif

The choice was Bush or the man-made global warming nut case.

Either one would have been a disaster.

[Mac-7]

Touche'!!!



Its Obama and the dems who care more about foreigners than Americans.

[Bob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LINt1Px9mFY

[TrueBlue]

Its Obama and the dems who care more about foreigners than Americans.
Wrong! But you're right about one thing. Obama and the Dems do care about foreigners (and what they do to our economy), in fact, so much so that they are against exporting our American jobs overseas whereas that very prospect is eye candy for Republicans. Just look at Romney, for one, and there are plenty of Republican others.

[hanger4]

Would you believe these morons are going to shutdown Homeland Security? They hate Obama soo much, they are willing to put you, me and themselves in danger.

But guess who's the safest American at home and everywhere else?

What a bunch of idiots this GOP Congress is. :rollseyes:

As the Dems filibuster again and shut down debate and it's the

Repubs fault. The Dems are shutting down DHS and the morons

blame Rebubs. The hypocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me.

[Bob]

That's most unfortunate that McCain is ashamed of his country and his president. I believe it is now high time for him to high-tail it out of here and into another country he feels more comfortable with. It would sure be good riddance.

Shush, McCain can't abandon the king that resides in DC.

[TrueBlue]

The choice was Bush or the man-made global warming nut case.

Either one would have been a disaster.
But only one nut got to be a real disaster and it was the one who was in the White House for eight years.

As for Al Gore, he would have surely made a much better president if people had not fallen prey to Conservative right-wing attacks fraught with misinformation about what he was saying.

Here's the scoop.

Is Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth accurate?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm

[Peter1469]

But only one nut got to be a real disaster and it was the one who was in the White House for eight years.

As for Al Gore, he would have surely made a much better president if people had not fallen prey to Conservative right-wing attacks fraught with misinformation about what he was saying.

Here's the scoop.

Is Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth accurate?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm

He should be in jail for his carbon tax credit scheme.

[TrueBlue]

Shush, McCain can't abandon the king that resides in DC.
The hell he can't. He's been like a thorn on Obama's side.

[Bob]

The hell he can't. He's been like a thorn on Obama's side.

The kings crown you must mean.

[Bob]

But only one nut got to be a real disaster and it was the one who was in the White House for eight years.

As for Al Gore, he would have surely made a much better president if people had not fallen prey to Conservative right-wing attacks fraught with misinformation about what he was saying.

Here's the scoop.

Is Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth accurate?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm

Do I also get the blame for Yosemite Valley and the Great lakes?

You sure you want to blame man for the recovering ice age?

I agree with Peter on what should be done to Gore.

Gore simply lost because of his support of Clinton.

[TrueBlue]

As the Dems filibuster again and shut down debate and it's the

Repubs fault. The Dems are shutting down DHS and the morons

blame Rebubs. The hypocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me.
Yes, but why didn't you go on to explain WHY the Democrats filibustered it? It was because of the addition of Republican Anti-Immigration Crap that President Obama is against. That's why. Therefore, if you want to talk hypocrisy, you can well talk about Republican hypocrisy.

But the answer is very simple. To get the bill passed at this crucial late date, just tell your Republican cohorts to remove the Anti-Immigration amendment and we can fund Homeland Security In A Flash!

[TrueBlue]

The kings crown you must mean.
Hardly. But making reference to Jesus' crown of thorns even as you blaspheme is quite your style.

[nathanbforrest45]

What he should have said is I am ashamed of the liberal mother forkers that are ruining this country. I am ashamed of the foolish voters who believe the government will take from the rich and give to them.

[Archer0915]

So what happens if every wealthy person decides to leave and take themselves and their business elsewhere?

[TrueBlue]

So what happens if every wealthy person decides to leave and take themselves and their business elsewhere?
http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/4.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/3.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/31.gif

[Redrose]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/


Michelle Obama: First Time proud of USA - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYY73RO_egw)


The left was just fine with Michelle O saying this terrible comment. It's time to grow up liblets.

[Safety]

Michelle Obama: First Time proud of USA - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYY73RO_egw)


The left was just fine with Michelle O saying this terrible comment. It's time to grow up liblets.

"for the first time in my life time, I am really proud of my country" is the same as "I'm ashamed of my country"?

[silvereyes]

Moochelle Obama is an ungrateful slug who never served in uniform and didn't spend years of her life in the Hanoi Hilton.
Your reply disgusts and makes me ashamed that youre american.

Hows that?

[Archer0915]

http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/4.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/3.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/31.gif

Let me see?

No welfare, no roads, high taxes, no social security, smaller military, less police support, schools go local...

[Howey]

Let me see?

No welfare, no roads, high taxes, no social security, smaller military, less police support, schools go local...

Sounds like the Republican party platform 2016.

[Redrose]

Sounds like the Republican party platform 2016.


If you believe that, you don't have a clue about the GOP. Please stay home on voting day.

[hanger4]

Yes, but why didn't you go on to explain WHY the Democrats filibustered it? It was because of the addition of Republican Anti-Immigration Crap that President Obama is against. That's why. Therefore, if you want to talk hypocrisy, you can well talk about Republican hypocrisy.


But the answer is very simple. To get the bill passed at this crucial late date, just tell your Republican cohorts to remove the Anti-Immigration amendment and we can fund Homeland Security In A Flash!


There's no "Anti-Immigration Crap" to it, just no funding for Obama's EO's.

[Chris]

Can't they all be assholes?

BINGO!

http://i.snag.gy/owGkW.jpg

[PolWatch]

It's just tacking unrelated bills onto something necessary to produce a situation like we have now. Its called playing politics. Line item veto would eliminate the tactic but no one wants that....it would allow both parties to cut some and pass some. That would mean that pork bills would have to pass alone and NOBODY wants the voters to know how many of those Congress approves.

[Chris]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/


Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said Sunday that the U.S. handling of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine represents a "shameful" chapter of American history.

"I'm ashamed of my country, I'm ashamed of my president and I'm ashamed of myself that I haven't done more to help these people," McCain said in an interview on CBS' "Face the Nation."


I can't imagine Obama saying he's ashamed of himself.

[Cigar]

If you believe that, you don't have a clue about the GOP. Please stay home on voting day.

Hows the view of the White House from your vantage point? :laugh:

[Mac-7]

Wrong! But you're right about one thing. Obama and the Dems do care about foreigners (and what they do to our economy), in fact, so much so that they are against exporting our American jobs overseas whereas that very prospect is eye candy for Republicans. Just look at Romney, for one, and there are plenty of Republican others.

Obumer is the one who wants to reward foreigners for breaking our immigration laws.

Dont tell me he doesn't care more about them than he does American citizens.

[Mac-7]

"for the first time in my life time, I am really proud of my country" is the same as "I'm ashamed of my country"?

That was her amended version later in the day after the shit had hit the fan from her first speech.

[hanger4]

It's just tacking unrelated bills onto something necessary to produce a situation like we have now.

It's NOT unrelated Immigration falls under the DHS umbrella.


Its called playing politics.

Exactly The Dems are denying funding to the DHS.


Line item veto would eliminate the tactic but no one wants that....it would allow both parties to cut some and pass some. That would mean that pork bills would have to pass alone and NOBODY wants the voters to know how many of those Congress approves.

:thumbsup:

[Archer0915]

Sounds like the Republican party platform 2016.

Put it in perspective! Follow the conversation and get it in context. Chase the rich and business away who the fuck else you gonna have to wipe progressive asses? Oh you will need guns when the dependent people come for you!


So what happens if every wealthy person decides to leave and take themselves and their business elsewhere?


Let me see?

No welfare, no roads, high taxes, no social security, smaller military, less police support, schools go local...

[Common]

Put it in perspective! Follow the conversation and get it in context. Chase the rich and business away who the fuck else you gonna have to wipe progressive asses? Oh you will need guns when the dependent people come for you!

Business been gone theyre all in china, you need to catch up with the times instead of wiping the koch brothers ass's :) just sayin

[Archer0915]

Business been gone theyre all in china, you need to catch up with the times instead of wiping the koch brothers ass's :) just sayin



It ain't all gone but I think I may end up helping some of it go to India:( It is going with or without me so I may as well make some money off of it.

[Common]

It ain't all gone but I think I may end up helping some of it go to India:( It is going with or without me so I may as well make some money off of it.

The majority of middle class manufacturing jobs are in CHINA SCREW big business thats all theyve done for working americans is screw them and whine about taxs that they dont pay.

[Chris]

The majority of middle class manufacturing jobs are in CHINA SCREW big business thats all theyve done for working americans is screw them and whine about taxs that they dont pay.

Simply untrue. Despite jobs moving to China and elsewhere, jobs in the US have steadily increased. This has been so for decades and decades.

[Mac-7]

The majority of middle class manufacturing jobs are in CHINA SCREW big business thats all theyve done for working americans is screw them and whine about taxs that they dont pay.

The good middle class manufacturing jobs did move to china - after the government opened free trade with the Chinese.

American companies had to move or die.

[TrueBlue]

Let me see?

No welfare, no roads, high taxes, no social security, smaller military, less police support, schools go local...
Wrong. Because you see all of those items come from taxpayer dollars. And the Majority of taxpayers are not rich, they're not wealthy. Therefore, it is not the 1-2% who would open up their heart to willingly fund those programs, it would be the common taxpayer. And since when would the rich be interested in funding Social Security for the elderly, poor and needy, and the retired, for one?

[TrueBlue]

Sounds like the Republican party platform 2016.
You got it! That's EXACTLY what it would be and they damn well know it!

[Common]

It ain't all gone but I think I may end up helping some of it go to India:( It is going with or without me so I may as well make some money off of it.

Most of ALL our customer service and tech support jobs are in india and the phillipines. Did you come here in a time capsule from the 20's

[Mac-7]

Wrong. Because you see all of those items come from taxpayer dollars. And the Majority of taxpayers are not rich, they're not wealthy. Therefore, it is not the 1-2% who would open up their heart to willingly fund those programs, it would be the common taxpayer.

And since when would the rich be interested in funding Social Security for the elderly, poor and needy, and the retired, for one?

So your idea is to rob middle class working people to pay for deadbeat Obama voters who are too lazy to work?

That's morally wrong.

[Wehrwolfen]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/

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Feb 19, 2008 · I don’t give a rats ?? what Michelle Obama is ashamed of for now I am ashamed of being american. Obama is a master at lying and manipulating and is in ...

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Why would Obama want to Fundamentally Transform America, if he was not ashamed of the country and people that elected him to the presidency? Why would Obama go on an apology tour if wasn't ashamed of America?

[TrueBlue]

There's no "Anti-Immigration Crap" to it, just no funding for Obama's EO's.
You couldn't be more wrong on that, hanger, so don't try to make more a fool out of yourself than you already are. We already know your party is always in denial and they continue to be.

Here you go and there's plenty of great links to support what they are saying.

Homeland Security facing GOP shutdown threat

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/homeland-security-facing-gop-shutdown-threat

[TrueBlue]

So your idea is to rob middle class working people to pay for deadbeat Obama voters who are too lazy to work?

That's morally wrong.
There's no 'robbing' of the Middle Class as it is mainly they who pay along with others for the services mentioned that they too would greatly benefit from.

But what's "morally wrong" is Conservative thinking. Always has been. ALWAYS will be.

[TrueBlue]

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Feb 19, 2008 · I don’t give a rats ?? what Michelle Obama is ashamed of for now I am ashamed of being american. Obama is a master at lying and manipulating and is in ...

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Why would Obama want to Fundamentally Transform America, if he was not ashamed of the country and people that elected him to the presidency? Why would Obama go on an apology tour if wasn't ashamed of America?
President Obama and Michelle are ashamed not of America but of people like you and would like to correct and transform your way of thinking so that all will have a better understanding of this great country that they love, respect, and greatly honor.

[Private Pickle]

There's no 'robbing' of the Middle Class as it is mainly they who pay along with others for the services mentioned that they too would greatly benefit from.

But what's "morally wrong" is Conservative thinking. Always has been. ALWAYS will be.

Can you explain to me how middle class people could benefit from welfare?

[TrueBlue]

Can you explain to me how middle class people could benefit from welfare?
Just as soon as you can explain how the wealthiest 2% could benefit from tax cuts.

[Private Pickle]

Just as soon as you can explain how the wealthiest 2% could benefit from tax cuts.

They spend more.

Your turn.

[Redrose]

Hows the view of the White House from your vantage point? :laugh:

I can't see the WH from where I am.

[Cigar]

I can't see the WH from where I am.

May I suggest buying a Ticket :laugh:

[Archer0915]

Wrong. Because you see all of those items come from taxpayer dollars. And the Majority of taxpayers are not rich, they're not wealthy. Therefore, it is not the 1-2% who would open up their heart to willingly fund those programs, it would be the common taxpayer. And since when would the rich be interested in funding Social Security for the elderly, poor and needy, and the retired, for one?

The majority of taxes, as it relates to this conversation 'ARE' paid by the 'RICH' and 'Higher Income"!!! Well the top 10% that is, 68%. the top 1% pay 24% of all taxes!

So just the top 1% then. Do the math and consider the business I mentioned... 13%.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/revenues/
http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/top10-percent-income-earners
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/top-1-percent-pays-more-taxes-bottom-90-percent

The Top 1 Percent Pays More in Taxes than the Bottom 90 Percent
And payroll tax is not counted in this.

[PolWatch]

well, duh....of course. 10% of $50,000 is not quite as much as 10% of $500,000. Is our tax structure based on % or $$ paid?

imo: looking at $$ paid isn't the issue...unless you think that the more $$$ paid means they are entitled to more respect or benefits. Should they have more use of roads or be better protected by our military because they pay more?

[Archer0915]

well, duh....of course. 10% of $50,000 is not quite as much as 10% of $500,000. Is our tax structure based on % or $$ paid?

imo: looking at $$ paid isn't the issue...unless you think that the more $$$ paid means they are entitled to more respect or benefits. Should they have more use of roads or be better protected by our military because they pay more?

How about 5000 ve 50000? Now consider that dividing things up equally, the people who pay little to no tax benefit more from the people who pay more in taxes!

[Venus]

What a stupid ass thread.

[Archer0915]

What a stupid ass thread.

I though all the threads round these parts were stupid ass drifting disasters.

[Safety]

How about 5000 ve 50000? Now consider that dividing things up equally, the people who pay little to no tax benefit more from the people who pay more in taxes!

It evens out in the end, because those that pay more in taxes can also have more leeway in the justice system. I don't think middle class taxpayers can claim "Affluenza" defense.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Remember after the election of Obama, Moochelle said that shit about for the first time she is proud of her country?

How come they can do it but we can't?

[PolWatch]

How about 5000 ve 50000? Now consider that dividing things up equally, the people who pay little to no tax benefit more from the people who pay more in taxes!

Those who pay 0...yeap. If you are talking of those who receive welfare, etc...yeap. But for average people that work & pay taxes...proportionally? If I pay $5.00 out of a very limited income, its more of hardship than someone who pays $500 out of a larger income. I can't use the roads more than the rich man...in fact, I would use them less because I couldn't afford as many vehicles or as much fuel.

[Safety]

Remember after the election of Obama, Moochelle said that shit about for the first time she is proud of her country?

How come they can do it but we can't?

It's already been covered.

[Venus]

I though all the threads round these parts were stupid ass drifting disasters.

It seems to be going that way.

[Redrose]

"for the first time in my life time, I am really proud of my country" is the same as "I'm ashamed of my country"?


It tells me she "hasn't" been proud of this country in the past. Also, I don't hear the word "really" in her speech. I've looked at several video clips of her speech, and the word "really" isn't on anyone of them.

If you have a video clip with better audio please post it.

[GrassrootsConservative]

To me being proud for the first time is a way worse outing of yourself than being ashamed for the first time.

But it's okay if that pride simply comes from the fact that our president has a certain skin color. Whatever.

[Cigar]

It tells me she "hasn't" been proud of this country in the past. Also, I don't hear the word "really" in her speech. I've looked at several video clips of her speech, and the word "really" isn't on anyone of them.

If you have a video clip with better audio please post it.

There's numerious times I haven't been proud of this country ... and I'd say that to anyones face and couldn't give a crap what they though about it. Fuck'em if they can't take any constructive criticism.

[Cigar]

To me being proud for the first time is a way worse outing of yourself than being ashamed for the first time.

But it's okay if that pride simply comes from the fact that our president has a certain skin color. Whatever.

So ... what are you going to do about it?

Whine?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Your criticism isn't coherent, much less constructive.

[silvereyes]

I though all the threads round these parts were stupid ass drifting disasters.

Well, you can depart these parts if you really feel that way. :(

[The Sage of Main Street]

Well, I remember the drama queen, hissy-fit reaction by the right when Michelle Obama made the comment "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country" during the 2008 campaign.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000164722/polls_2008_02_19MSNBCMJMichelleO_4629_70657_poll_x large.jpeg

She later had to clarify her remarks by saying "What I was clearly talking about was that I'm proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process,"

Aamof, McCain's cheap floozy wife Cindy, was one of the first to jump all over Michelle's comments, by releasing a public statement saying "I have, and always will be, proud of my country."

Guess they'll all ignore this much worse anti-American comment by McCain.

Wonder if Cindy McCain will release another public comment letting us all know that, unlike her America-hating husband, she has & always will be, proud of her country.

John McCain is such an ass. Don't forget that Glenn Beckerwood threatened to burn the American flag to show how ashamed he was of President Obama.

[Cigar]

Your criticism isn't coherent, much less constructive.

Doesn't have to be, so long as you CANONIZE :afro:

[silvereyes]

It seems to be going that way.

Simple as fuck: then dont participate. All you two are doing is trolling now.

[Archer0915]

Well, you can depart these parts f you really feel that way. :(

Well are they not? Did I say I took issue with it or was I stating a POV?

[silvereyes]

Well are they not? Did I say I took issue with it or was I stating a POV?
No and both. Like i said: if you dont like it simply dont participate.
And this is from someone who took up for you elsewhere.

[PolWatch]

I don't think Michelle Obama showed good judgment to make that statement. I don't think John McCain showed good judgment to make that statement. They are both public people with very high profiles as representing this nation. People say & do dumb things....open mouth...insert foot....e.g. George Bush, Joe Biden.

Some think she is worse because they hate her & her husband, some think he is worse because they hate him & his party. Take yer pick but quit pretending its anything except partisan politics.

[Safety]

It tells me she "hasn't" been proud of this country in the past. Also, I don't hear the word "really" in her speech. I've looked at several video clips of her speech, and the word "really" isn't on anyone of them.

If you have a video clip with better audio please post it.

This is one that was uploaded earlier in the thread:

The part we're talking about starts at 0:16

http://youtu.be/LYY73RO_egw

This is the unedited video:

http://youtu.be/EVLc7B5cLLc

Now, why would someone want to edit out the "really" part?

People, there are forces at work to divide us for no other reason but to distract what's going on behind the screens. As GRC's post above regarding skin color perfectly sums up what I'm talking about.

[Archer0915]

No and both. Like i said: if you dont like it simply dont participate.
And this is from someone who took up for you elsewhere.

Hey, HEY! Cant I agree? We do have a bit of thread drift here. And the stupid ass is fun because it allows you to blow off steam. I honestly think this forum does a good job of not getting too heated. the mods do a decent job, that they do as volunteers. But having a serious discussion here is damn near impossible.

[Polecat]

We should all be ashamed of ourselves. At some point a rational person should realize that everything we stand for is corrupt.

[silvereyes]

Hey, HEY! Cant I agree? We do have a bit of thread drift here. And the stupid ass is fun because it allows you to blow off steam. I honestly think this forum does a good job of not getting too heated. the mods do a decent job, that they do as volunteers. But having a serious discussion here is damn near impossible.
Well, its not a "stupid ass thread" and no, they all are NOT.

Yes, some bantering occurs at times but i gest. Venus and you werent being cute.

[Safety]

We should all be ashamed of ourselves. At some point a rational person should realize that everything we stand for is corrupt.

Bout time you showed back up.

[silvereyes]

Bout time you showed back up.

He was gone, right? I was wondering.

[Venus]

Simple as fuck: then dont participate. All you two are doing is trolling now.


Untwist the panties Nancy.

Who hasn't been disappointed in this country at one time or another? And regardless of who the president is or what letter is after his name, he will disappoint me.

Stupid ass thread.

[Venus]

Well, its not a "stupid ass thread" and no, they all are NOT.

Yes, some bantering occurs at times but i gest. Venus and you werent being cute.

It is a stupid ass thread.

[Archer0915]

Well, its not a "stupid ass thread" and no, they all are NOT.

Yes, some bantering occurs at times but i gest. Venus and you werent being cute.

You just wait! Ima git you:)

I know the internet is not the best place to have a discussion, but seriously.

How did we come as far as we did with this thread? I think we all misdirect a little at a time until we are back at the same old thing and the factions form up.

[silvereyes]

Untwist the panties Nancy.

Stupid ass thread.
Fuck off.

It is a stupid ass thread.
See above.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Its Obama and the dems who care more about foreigners than Americans. The Ukrainians are foreigners. Which party cares more about those foreigners?

The Ukraine has never been a country before and won't be one much longer. Their defenseless that Hanoi John is whining about is entirely their own fault. They never fought for their independence, so they don't deserve it.

That whole area has been dominated by Russia for 300 years, ever since Czar Peter the Great. Putin is trying to emulate him so Russia won't be a second-rate nation, which is why the Romanoffs expanded the Russian eminent domain in all directions in the first place.

[silvereyes]

You just wait! Ima git you:)

I know the internet is not the best place to have a discussion, but seriously.

How did we come as far as we did with this thread? I think we all misdirect a little at a time until we are back at the same old thing and the factions form up.
I aint a-skeered of yew. Bring it. ;)

[Redrose]

There's numerious times I haven't been proud of this country ... and I'd say that to anyones face and couldn't give a crap what they though about it. Fuck'em if they can't take any constructive criticism.


That's fine. There have been a time or two I was not happy with what this country did too. BUT her statement was ".....first time...."

Given the fact she was a mediocre student, with not much going for her, and because of Affirmative Action she got a chance at a great education and succeeded, she should be on her knees thanking this great country for her life successes.

[Archer0915]

I aint a-skeered of yew. Bring it. ;)

MmMMMM I likes me a feisty woman!

[del]

Simply untrue. Despite jobs moving to China and elsewhere, jobs in the US have steadily increased. This has been so for decades and decades.

shitty jobs for crap wages

hurray

[silvereyes]

That's fine. There have been a time or two I was not happy with what this country did too. BUT her statement was ".....first time...."

Given the fact she was a mediocre student, with not much going for her, and because of Affirmative Action she got a chance at a great education and succeeded, she should be on her knees thanking this great country for her life successes.
Mediocre? Really?

[Common Sense]

That's fine. There have been a time or two I was not happy with what this country did too. BUT her statement was ".....first time...."

Give the fact she was a mediocre student, with not much going for her, and because of Affirmative Action she got a chance at a great education and succeeded, she should be on her knees thanking this great country for her life.

Oh lordy thank you massa....

[silvereyes]

MmMMMM I likes me a feisty woman!

Im sooooo glad you remembered the "e" in fiesty. :biglaugh:

[The Sage of Main Street]

So what happens if every wealthy person decides to leave and take themselves and their business elsewhere? Then the Predatory Plutocratic Parasites would be just following their motto, "Loot and Scoot."

[Venus]

Fuck off.

See above.


LOL

Nah I think I'll fucking stay.

[Safety]

That's fine. There have been a time or two I was not happy with what this country did too. BUT her statement was ".....first time...."

Given the fact she was a mediocre student, with not much going for her, and because of Affirmative Action she got a chance at a great education and succeeded, she should be on her knees thanking this great country for her life successes.

There have been many students of all walks of life that were mediocre that got a great education and succeeded, whether or not AA helped her doesn't dismiss the fact that she had to perform on her own to graduate.

[Archer0915]

Im sooooo glad you remembered the "e" in fiesty. :biglaugh:

Spell check is my friend:)

[PolWatch]

Everyone! Please take personal issues to the PM function

[Redrose]

There have been many students of all walks of life that were mediocre that got a great education and succeeded, whether or not AA helped her doesn't dismiss the fact that she had to perform on her own to graduate.


Of course, but AA opened the door for her. Many "average" students never get the chance to grow and develop as she did. The point is, this great nation allowed her to have a great life and career long before her husband became president. Her statement, just like Guiliani's and others was unfortunate and their critics have unjustly criticized both of them. Partisan politics is ugly, both sides.

[The Sage of Main Street]

That's fine. There have been a time or two I was not happy with what this country did too. BUT her statement was ".....first time...."

Given the fact she was a mediocre student, with not much going for her, and because of Affirmative Action she got a chance at a great education and succeeded, she should be on her knees thanking this great country for her life successes. Why would Michelle only be talking about her own situation? She meant that this was the first time she had felt that a national movement promoting the national change she thought was needed was going to be successful. Apparently, she thought that the Clinton Administration was some kind of shameful and standing still compromise linking the two Republican administrations.

[silvereyes]

LOL

Nah I think I'll fucking stay.

Goody goody gum drops. yea. Not.

Trolling, trolling, trolling. Sad.

[Mac-7]

There's no 'robbing' of the Middle Class as it is mainly they who pay along with others for the services mentioned that they too would greatly benefit from.

But what's "morally wrong" is Conservative thinking. Always has been. ALWAYS will be.

The rich don't pay their fair share according to the libs on this board.

And poor Obama voters ain't paying for the welfare they get.

So that only leaves hardworking middle class workers unless you are counting on getting it from money trees growing along the Potomac.

[Mac-7]

Just as soon as you can explain how the wealthiest 2% could benefit from tax cuts.

Tisk, tisk.

Pickle asked you first.

[Mac-7]

I don't think Michelle Obama showed good judgment to make that statement. I don't think John McCain showed good judgment to make that statement. They are both public people with very high profiles as representing this nation. People say & do dumb things....open mouth...insert foot....e.g. George Bush, Joe Biden.

Some think she is worse because they hate her & her husband, some think he is worse because they hate him & his party. Take yer pick but quit pretending its anything except partisan politics.

And some libs think Moochelle flew fighter jets over communist N Vietnam and spent 5 years of her life as a prisoner of war.

or at least that's what they heard on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams.

[Bob]

Hardly. But making reference to Jesus' crown of thorns even as you blaspheme is quite your style.

Interesting statement.

Show me examples of my blasphemy which you claim is my style.
TrueBlue

[Howey]

Interesting statement.

Show me examples of my blasphemy which you claim is my style.
TrueBlue

Everytime you denigrate gays is blasphemy, Bob.

Jesus didn't teach hate.

[Bob]

Everytime you denigrate gays is blasphemy, @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013).

Jesus didn't teach hate.

I don't denigrate homosexuals. You clearly don't get it. Howey

[Mac-7]

Everytime you denigrate gays is blasphemy, @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013).

Jesus didn't teach hate.

Jesus loves homosexuals and forgives them if they repent their sin and accept Him as their savior.

But most gay are godless.

[TrueBlue]

Interesting statement.

Show me examples of my blasphemy which you claim is my style.
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308)
Of course. This is the one I am talking about.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TrueBlue http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=972520#post972520)


"The hell he can't. He's been like a thorn on Obama's side."


You (Bob) responded:
"The kings crown you must mean."
I had merely mentioned "thorn". That was it. But when you began talking "The kings crown .... " in reference to 'thorn', any good Christian would make an immediate connection in that it was being highly disrespectful of Jesus Christ as it was He, who as our King, was made to wear a crown of thorns. To respond with those terms would be blasphemous to many of us. Do you now understand why I took great offense to that? Of course if you are not a Christian you would not understand but I hope you do.

As a way of a little history on Christianity, a "crown of thorns" was placed upon the head of our King, Jesus Christ, as He was being taken by the Jews to His crucifixion at Calvary ready to die for our sins, taking all of them in our place. He bled profusely from the prickling crown of thorns. And He very much continues to be Our Heavenly King.

And Bob, even the subsequent posting party said you could have worded that better. You can say whatever you want about me but please do not make direct or indirect references to Jesus Christ as we Christians are highly sensitive about that. I just got very upset upon reading it. Thank you for your understanding.

[Bob]

Of course. This is the one I am talking about.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TrueBlue http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=972520#post972520)

You (Bob) responded:
I had merely mentioned "thorn". That was it. But when you began talking "The kings crown .... " in reference to 'thorn', any good Christian would make an immediate connection in that it was being highly disrespectful of Jesus Christ as it was He, who as our King, was made to wear a crown of thorns. To respond with those terms would be blasphemous to many of us. Do you now understand why I took great offense to that? Of course if you are not a Christian you would not understand but I hope you do.

As a way of a little history on Christianity, a "crown of thorns" was placed upon the head of our King, Jesus Christ, as He was being taken by the Jews to His crucifixion at Calvary ready to die for our sins, taking all of them in our place. He bled profusely from the prickling crown of thorns. And He very much continues to be Our Heavenly King.

And Bob, even the subsequent posting party said you could have worded that better. You can say whatever you want about me but please do not make direct or indirect references to Jesus Christ as we Christians are highly sensitive about that. I just got very upset upon reading it. Thank you for your understanding.

Oh nonsense. Saying Obama our king and savior & wears a crown of thorns is not connected to Jesus our savior.

But Democrats will pull any trick to spin a web of deceit.

[Safety]

Of course. This is the one I am talking about.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by TrueBlue http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=972520#post972520)

You (Bob) responded:
I had merely mentioned "thorn". That was it. But when you began talking "The kings crown .... " in reference to 'thorn', any good Christian would make an immediate connection in that it was being highly disrespectful of Jesus Christ as it was He, who as our King, was made to wear a crown of thorns. To respond with those terms would be blasphemous to many of us. Do you now understand why I took great offense to that? Of course if you are not a Christian you would not understand but I hope you do.

As a way of a little history on Christianity, a "crown of thorns" was placed upon the head of our King, Jesus Christ, as He was being taken by the Jews to His crucifixion at Calvary ready to die for our sins, taking all of them in our place. He bled profusely from the prickling crown of thorns. And He very much continues to be Our Heavenly King.

And Bob, even the subsequent posting party said you could have worded that better. You can say whatever you want about me but please do not make direct or indirect references to Jesus Christ as we Christians are highly sensitive about that. I just got very upset upon reading it. Thank you for your understanding.

I think he was referring to Obama. Then again, Hannity does like to call him the "anointed one", so nevermind....

[zelmo1234]

Listen, the difference is that the LGBT community is not a high-profile Washington figure and has not said they are ashamed of their country and its president. McCain has. Again, McCain should leave America. That is an imperative. This country clearly is no place for him to reside.

You know defending free speech is defending speech that you do not agree with.

I don't like what he said any better than you do, but I will defend to the death his right to say it!

[zelmo1234]

Wrong! But you're right about one thing. Obama and the Dems do care about foreigners (and what they do to our economy), in fact, so much so that they are against exporting our American jobs overseas whereas that very prospect is eye candy for Republicans. Just look at Romney, for one, and there are plenty of Republican others.

Then why would they want people that came to America illegally to be able to stay and take jobs law abiding citizens?

That seems strange to me!

[Bob]

Then why would they want people that came to America illegally to be able to stay and take jobs law abiding citizens?

That seems strange to me!

I wonder what @True Blue has to say.

[Bob]

I had merely mentioned "thorn". That was it. But when you began talking "The kings crown .... " in reference to 'thorn', any good Christian would make an immediate connection in that it was being highly disrespectful of Jesus Christ as it was He, who as our King, was made to wear a crown of thorns. To respond with those terms would be blasphemous to many of us. Do you now understand why I took great offense to that? Of course if you are not a Christian you would not understand but I hope you do.

As a way of a little history on Christianity, a "crown of thorns" was placed upon the head of our King, Jesus Christ, as He was being taken by the Jews to His crucifixion at Calvary ready to die for our sins, taking all of them in our place. He bled profusely from the prickling crown of thorns. And He very much continues to be Our Heavenly King.

And Bob, even the subsequent posting party said you could have worded that better. You can say whatever you want about me but please do not make direct or indirect references to Jesus Christ as we Christians are highly sensitive about that. I just got very upset upon reading it. Thank you for your understanding.

Sorry but I believe he bled to death from the spear in his side. As to him bleeding heavily from the thorn crown is in dispute.

We Christians LOL

I am a Christian.

[Mister D]

Then why would they want people that came to America illegally to be able to stay and take jobs law abiding citizens?

That seems strange to me!

There is a great deal of cognitive dissonance on the left with regard to immigration. Several progressives on this forum, for example, hold mutually incompatible views. The phony right, on the other hand, is just deceitful. Interestingly enough, this is the one issue where the left will cite the phony right's propaganda.

[Mac-7]

There is a great deal of cognitive dissonance on the left with regard to immigration. Several progressives on this forum, for example, hold mutually incompatible views. The phony right, on the other hand, is just deceitful. Interestingly enough, this is the one issue where the left will cite the phony right's propaganda.

What is the profile of the phony right?

[Mister D]

What is the profile of the phony right?

The term refers to those for whom bourgeois values are the quintessential American values. Granted, there is a lot to be said for the accuracy of that perspective from a strictly historical point of view. With that in mind, I'd go so far as to say that America has never known a true right or at least not one that ever mattered politically or culturally.

[Mac-7]

The term refers to those for whom bourgeois values are the quintessential American values. Granted, there is a lot to be said for the accuracy of that perspective from a strictly historical point of view. With that in mind, I'd go so far as to say that America has never known a true right or at least not one that ever mattered politically or culturally.

I'm sorry I asked cause that explanation wasn't very informative.

Wikipedia says that "bourgeois values" are related to the upper middle class in society who produce things.

If that's what you meant then I suppose I are one since I strongly believe in the value of producing things that people need.

And reaping the personal rewards of a job well done.

But I guess you might have something more in mind.

[del]

You know defending free speech is defending speech that you do not agree with.

I don't like what he said any better than you do, but I will defend to the death his right to say it!


lol

[TrueBlue]

Sorry but I believe he bled to death from the spear in his side. As to him bleeding heavily from the thorn crown is in dispute.

We Christians LOL

I am a Christian.
Oh, so I see. So then it's only I, (You) the CHRISTIAN rather than "We" (All of us) Christians as that name and title pertains only to you. I understand now. Why didn't you just say "I the Christian." LOL.

And no, the spear that pierced His side did not cause His death. He was on the cross for some time and then death came and He was buried but on the third day He arose, He RESURRECTED! As to the crown of thorns, yes, of course He bled from the thorns. Have you not seen pictures of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns before? If you had you would have surely noticed blood dripping from his forehead area.

[TrueBlue]

Then why would they want people that came to America illegally to be able to stay and take jobs law abiding citizens?

That seems strange to me!
For your answer you should go no farther than to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act. That was legislation signed proudly by George W. Bush and supported by his Republicans to bring those from other countries here. That should tell you the story.

[Bob]

Oh, so I see. So then it's only I, (You) the CHRISTIAN rather than "We" (All of us) Christians as that name and title pertains only to you. I understand now. Why didn't you just say "I the Christian." LOL.

And no, the spear that pierced His side did not cause His death. He was on the cross for some time and then death came and He was buried but on the third day He arose, He RESURRECTED! As to the crown of thorns, yes, of course He bled from the thorns. Have you not seen pictures of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns before? If you had you would have surely noticed blood dripping from his forehead area.

Oh gosh no. A lot of people are Christians. You acted as if you were the only one thus my saying We.

Can't you at least see how Jesus could bleed to death given the Soldier nailed him with his spear? Plus you suffocate on a cross the way Romans did it. You think the tips of thorns caused you to bleed from the skin over the skull and you died from that? But the large spear did not cause bleeding? I believe in one of the gospels it says he was bleeding from the spear wound. How many times have you seen people with prickly wounds to the head bleed to death? I have never heard of that happening.

I actually don't want to trade scripture with you so why not we agree to quit talking scripture. I am pretty well versed on scripture since i have had many years of reading the Bible.

[Peter1469]

pictures?


Oh, so I see. So then it's only I, (You) the CHRISTIAN rather than "We" (All of us) Christians as that name and title pertains only to you. I understand now. Why didn't you just say "I the Christian." LOL.

And no, the spear that pierced His side did not cause His death. He was on the cross for some time and then death came and He was buried but on the third day He arose, He RESURRECTED! As to the crown of thorns, yes, of course He bled from the thorns. Have you not seen pictures of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns before? If you had you would have surely noticed blood dripping from his forehead area.

[Mac-7]

pictures?

The pictures of Jesus were taken by the great-great-great-great-grandfather of Matthew Brady.

[Venus]

Goody goody gum drops. yea. Not.

Trolling, trolling, trolling. Sad.


Overreact much?

Chill dude, I didn't call you, Howie or the president stupid. I called this thread stupid, which it is, don't take it so personal.

[Crepitus]

Dip shit American voters.

the dumbest of the dumb.
Did you vote?

[Mac-7]

Did you vote?

I'm not dumb enough to vote for Obama.

Or maybe I just don't depend on government handouts so I'm free to vote reublican.

[Howey]

Overreact much?

Chill dude, I didn't call you, Howie or the president stupid. I called this thread stupid, which it is, don't take it so personal.

If you find my threat stupid, feel free not to participate, Venus. As it is, your contribution, as with the majority of your posts, is nil.

[Venus]

If you find my threat stupid, feel free not to participate, @Venus (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=419). As it is, your contribution, as with the majority of your posts, is nil.


I participated on the level that this thread deserved.

[Mister D]

I participated on the level that this thread deserved.

It is stupid.

[Mister D]

I'm sorry I asked cause that explanation wasn't very informative.

Wikipedia says that "bourgeois values" are related to the upper middle class in society who produce things.

If that's what you meant then I suppose I are one since I strongly believe in the value of producing things that people need.

And reaping the personal rewards of a job well done.

But I guess you might have something more in mind.

Bourgeois values refers to materialism and commercialism. You'd know that if you read the Wikipedia article.

Anyway, Mac-7 illustrates the cognitive dissonance of the phony right. Here is the big conservative Christian guy who loves him some capitalism while it destroys everything he's trying to conserve.

[Crepitus]

I'm not dumb enough to vote for Obama.

Or maybe I just don't depend on government handouts so I'm free to vote reublican.
But you voted, and you said American voters are dumb.

[silvereyes]

Overreact much?

Chill dude, I didn't call you, Howie or the president stupid. I called this thread stupid, which it is, don't take it so personal.

Then step the fuck out of it. Voila. Simple rimple.

[silvereyes]

It is stupid.

You people. I swear.

One more time: then dont open it. Dont respond. Dont step off in it.

[SoonToBe2LT]

"I'm ashamed of my country"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-ashamed-country-himself-ukraine/

I'm certainly ashamed of my President.

I'm also ashamed of McCain though.

[silvereyes]

I participated on the level that this thread deserved.

Oh. So you are admitting to being stupid. Finally.

[TrueBlue]

Oh gosh no. A lot of people are Christians. You acted as if you were the only one thus my saying We.

Can't you at least see how Jesus could bleed to death given the Soldier nailed him with his spear? Plus you suffocate on a cross the way Romans did it. You think the tips of thorns caused you to bleed from the skin over the skull and you died from that? But the large spear did not cause bleeding? I believe in one of the gospels it says he was bleeding from the spear wound. How many times have you seen people with prickly wounds to the head bleed to death? I have never heard of that happening.

I actually don't want to trade scripture with you so why not we agree to quit talking scripture. I am pretty well versed on scripture since i have had many years of reading the Bible.
Bob, you're not listening to what I've been saying. First of all, the soldier could not have been able to nail Him with his spear. They used a hammer to crucify Him. The soldier did pierce Jesus' side with his spear and He bled but that did not cause His death in and of itself.

I never once intimated that Jesus died from the piercing of His crown of thorns. I mentioned the crown of thorns in context to what you had originally said that started this whole discussion. I would know better since I have studied that subject matter for many years and have doctorates in Divinity and in Religious Education.

Jesus died after being crucified and being on the cross in extreme agony for hours not because of the crown of thorns or the piercing on His side. He resurrected on the third day and remained on earth for a period of 40 additional days where He spoke with, walked with and ate with His apostles and other disciples who knew Him before He ascended into Heaven.

[Bob]

Bob, you're not listening to what I've been saying. First of all, the soldier could not have been able to nail Him with his spear. They used a hammer to crucify Him. The soldier did pierce Jesus' side with his spear and He bled but that did not cause His death in and of itself.

I never once intimated that Jesus died from the piercing of His crown of thorns. I mentioned the crown of thorns in context to what you had originally said that started this whole discussion. I would know better since I have studied that subject matter for many years and have doctorates in Divinity and in Religious Education.

Jesus died after being crucified and being on the cross in extreme agony for hours not because of the crown of thorns or the piercing on His side. He resurrected on the third day and remained on earth for a period of 40 additional days where He spoke with, walked with and ate with His apostles and other disciples who knew Him before He ascended into Heaven.

That is a weak rebuttal when you allege I don't read your posts.

Frankly I wonder why you wonder off the reservation to lecture me on the 4 gospels.

Do you recall this?

http://biblehub.com/john/19-34.htm

I am not even trying to prove his death was due to the spear but a spear sure can cause you to die. It did a lot back in those days.

As to your education, I don't even try to dispute yours.

As you said, you went after me over my speaking of the crown in context of your man Obama.

[TrueBlue]

pictures?
Yes, Peter. Thank you for your request.

Although I am not Catholic, Catholics are best known for their beautiful religious pictures and depictions of Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, their saints, etc. so here is a beautiful picture of Jesus wearing the crown of thorns you have requested to see.

http://www.catholictradition.org/Christ/crown-thorns.htm

[birddog]

You misspelled insane.

Did not! :tongue:

[Mac-7]

Bourgeois values refers to materialism and commercialism. You'd know that if you read the Wikipedia article.

Anyway, Mac-7 illustrates the cognitive dissonance of the phony right. Here is the big conservative Christian guy who loves him some capitalism while it destroys everything he's trying to conserve.

If I thought capitalism is destroying America I would be as worried as you are.

But it isn't, so I'm not.

however you may have found an acorn with the materialism angle.

Except that maybe its amoral paganism is the problem.

Maybe people without Christian values turn to materialism to fill a void on their lives.

[Mac-7]

But you voted, and you said American voters are dumb.

Obama voters are dumb.

[Crepitus]

Obama voters are dumb.
Ah! clarification at last!!

What you meant was voters who don't vote the way you want them to are dumb!!

somewhat biased and anti-social don't you think?

[Mac-7]

Ah! clarification at last!!

What you meant was voters who don't vote the way you want them to are dumb!!

somewhat biased and anti-social don't you think?

The dumbest of the dumb are the Obama voters.

Call me dumb too if you wish.

But no one is as dumb as the Obama voters.

[Mister D]

If I thought capitalism is destroying America I would be as worried as you are.

But it isn't, so I'm not.

however you may have found an acorn with the materialism angle.

Except that maybe its amoral paganism is the problem.

Maybe people without Christian values turn to materialism to fill a void on their lives.

What's the point of worrying now? Capitalism has in fact destroyed historic America. What you as a "conservative" are trying to conserve at this point is beyond me...and beyond you for that matter.

Paganism isn't amoral, Mac. That was a bizarre comment. Anyway, this culture is one steeped in both materialism and commercialism. That said, cultural criticism is probably a little over your head so you can go conserving whatever it is that you think needs conserving.

[Bob]

What's the point of worrying now? Capitalism has in fact destroyed historic America. What you as a "conservative" are trying to conserve at this point is beyond me...and beyond you for that matter.

Paganism isn't amoral, Mac. That was a bizarre comment. Anyway, this culture is one steeped in both materialism and commercialism. That said, cultural criticism is probably a little over your head so you can go conserving whatever it is that you think needs conserving.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311

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[/URL][URL="http://www.amazon.com/review/RKRV92IFPXLQB/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1400083311&nodeID=283155&store=books"]Capitalism conquers greed (http://www.amazon.com/review/RKRV92IFPXLQB/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1400083311&nodeID=283155&store=books)
By Peter Lorenzi (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2000DWMMYNIYB/ref=cm_cr_dp_pdp) on December 27, 2004
Format: HardcoverThere is one silly argument being made among these reviews that conservatism and capitalism are unrelated. Actually, DiLorenzo, a superb colleague of mine, is more of a libertarian and true free-market thinker than a Tory conservative of the George Will mode. Understand this, and you will have a better appreciation for DiLorenzo's approach to capitalism and its cleansing powers.

People and markets proposer because we act in our own self-interest. Adam Smith was right and some label him 'liberal'. 'Liberal' means something quite different outside the United States. Those who equate Oliver Stone's "greed is good" mantra for capitalism are missing the point. "Greed" is "reprehensible acquisitiveness" and the beauty of capitalism is that the market speaks louder than government dictates or "greedy capitalists". When the government says, "I'm here to help you," it's time to hold onto your wallets. With capitalism, it's your choice. Greed doesn't work; markets do.

DiLorenzo writes with a clear, accessible style. While he is an accomplished researcher and academic, he discovers and disseminates knowledge for a much larger public than other academics. And he is brave enough to take on well-entrenched conventional wisdom, be it the nanny state or worshipful devotees of Abraham Lincoln.

We have a problem with unchallenged soft-headed, bleeding heart, liberal thought on many college campuses. DiLorenzo is part of the solution to the excessive political correctness rampant on many college campuses. Read this and open your eyes and mind. This is a nice companion piece to David Landes' "The wealth and poverty of nations: Why some nations are so rich and others so poor." And it fits with the recent studies of the differences between English and French law, and the impact of their respective legal systems on economic success.

[Mac-7]

What's the point of worrying now? Capitalism has in fact destroyed historic America. What you as a "conservative" are trying to conserve at this point is beyond me...and beyond you for that matter.

Paganism isn't amoral, Mac. That was a bizarre comment. Anyway, this culture is one steeped in both materialism and commercialism. That said, cultural criticism is probably a little over your head so you can go conserving whatever it is that you think needs conserving.

The American economy is based on capitalism.

As for pagans being amoral I'm sure they don't think so.

But none of them are smart enough to figure out the world in one short lifetime.

Which is what people have to do when they are making up their morality as they go along.

[Crepitus]

The dumbest of the dumb are the Obama voters.

Call me dumb too if you wish.

But no one is as dumb as the Obama voters.
I didn't call you dumb, you call me dumb. Kinda bears out the biased and anti-social thing though doesn't it.

[Mac-7]

I didn't call you dumb, you call me dumb. Kinda bears out the biased and anti-social thing though doesn't it.

I don't mind if you call me dumb.

thats the nature of partisanship today.

There is little room for compromise in America anymore and both sides are playing for keeps.

[Crepitus]

I don't mind if you call me dumb.

thats the nature of partisanship today.

There is little room for compromise in America anymore and both sides are playing for keeps.
But I don't even think you are dumb. Misguided, under-educated, slightly brain-washed,and a victim of the RWNM but not dumb.

[Mister D]

http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311

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Capitalism conquers greed (http://www.amazon.com/review/RKRV92IFPXLQB/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1400083311&nodeID=283155&store=books)
By Peter Lorenzi (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2000DWMMYNIYB/ref=cm_cr_dp_pdp) on December 27, 2004
Format: HardcoverThere is one silly argument being made among these reviews that conservatism and capitalism are unrelated. Actually, DiLorenzo, a superb colleague of mine, is more of a libertarian and true free-market thinker than a Tory conservative of the George Will mode. Understand this, and you will have a better appreciation for DiLorenzo's approach to capitalism and its cleansing powers.

People and markets proposer because we act in our own self-interest. Adam Smith was right and some label him 'liberal'. 'Liberal' means something quite different outside the United States. Those who equate Oliver Stone's "greed is good" mantra for capitalism are missing the point. "Greed" is "reprehensible acquisitiveness" and the beauty of capitalism is that the market speaks louder than government dictates or "greedy capitalists". When the government says, "I'm here to help you," it's time to hold onto your wallets. With capitalism, it's your choice. Greed doesn't work; markets do.

DiLorenzo writes with a clear, accessible style. While he is an accomplished researcher and academic, he discovers and disseminates knowledge for a much larger public than other academics. And he is brave enough to take on well-entrenched conventional wisdom, be it the nanny state or worshipful devotees of Abraham Lincoln.

We have a problem with unchallenged soft-headed, bleeding heart, liberal thought on many college campuses. DiLorenzo is part of the solution to the excessive political correctness rampant on many college campuses. Read this and open your eyes and mind. This is a nice companion piece to David Landes' "The wealth and poverty of nations: Why some nations are so rich and others so poor." And it fits with the recent studies of the differences between English and French law, and the impact of their respective legal systems on economic success.


Meanwhile, Bob, redrose and others complain about decline. I really don't understand these people.

[Mister D]

The American economy is based on capitalism.

Thanks for that insight, Mac.


As for pagans being amoral I'm sure they don't think so.

And I'm sure you can't articulate why they're immoral.


But none of them are smart enough to figure out the world in one short lifetime.

You are?


Which is what people have to do when they are making up their morality as they go along.

Which has what to do with paganism? OTOH, it has something to do with individualism...

[Mister D]

But I don't even think you are dumb. Misguided, under-educated, slightly brain-washed,and a victim of the RWNM but not dumb.

I sometimes think these guys are plants to make conservatives look ridiculous but I fear the truth may be worse...

[PolWatch]

I sometimes think these guys are plants to make conservatives look ridiculous but I fear the truth may be worse...

careful Mister D - you will be now be known as lib, lib, lib, dumb, dumb, dumb....welcome to the club....would ya like a beer & some fresh popcorn?

[Mister D]

careful @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4) - you will be now be known as lib, lib, lib, dumb, dumb, dumb....welcome to the club....would ya like a beer & some fresh popcorn?

As a matter of fact I would. :smiley:

[Safety]

As a matter of fact I would. :smiley:

No beer, Pol. He's werkin on that 5.5 pack.

[Crepitus]

I sometimes think these guys are plants to make conservatives look ridiculous but I fear the truth may be worse...
Interesting theory, Mac's pretty persistent though and you would think they'd slip up at least every once in a while.

[Peter1469]

No beer, Pol. He's werkin on that 5.5 pack.

He is only 130 lbs. He has the metabolism of a hummingbird.

[PolWatch]

No beer, Pol. He's werkin on that 5.5 pack.

all work & no play makes everyone bored. Besides, I remember a very successful diet program several (?) years ago called the Rotation Diet. The theory was that you tricked your metabolism ...you would diet a few days and then up your calorie intake a few days. Supposed to keep the body from adjusting the weight maintenance requirements. I remember it worked too.

result: Have a beer Mister D!

[PolWatch]

He is only 130 lbs. He has the metabolism of a hummingbird.

one of those? bummer....I'm married to one of them. My father in law used to say that my husband ate so much it made him poor to tote it.

[Blackrook]

McCain flew combat jets in Vietnam, and was a POW, so no one doubts his patriotism.

So, this fail thread is fail.

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[Mac-7]

But I don't even think you are dumb. Misguided, under-educated, slightly brain-washed,and a victim of the RWNM but not dumb.

Thank you for that rousing endorsement - sort of.

I believe you are smarter than the average Obama voter too.

its true we are both opinionated, you from the left and me from the right.

but the beauty of America is that everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[Mister D]

No beer, Pol. He's werkin on that 5.5 pack.

:angry:

[Peter1469]

all work & no play makes everyone bored. Besides, I remember a very successful diet program several (?) years ago called the Rotation Diet. The theory was that you tricked your metabolism ...you would diet a few days and then up your calorie intake a few days. Supposed to keep the body from adjusting the weight maintenance requirements. I remember it worked too.

result: Have a beer Mister D!

They do a version of that in bodybuilding still. You use carbs to trick your body. Highs and lows over a specific cycle.

[TrueBlue]

McCain flew combat jets in Vietnam, and was a POW, so no one doubts his patriotism.

So, this fail thread is fail.

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For all of his patriotism he sure has had poor luck getting elected each time he runs for president hasn't he? His just reward must be due to how much the American public believes in and appreciates this patriot and his policies. :)

[Hal Jordan]

That is a weak rebuttal when you allege I don't read your posts.

Frankly I wonder why you wonder off the reservation to lecture me on the 4 gospels.

Do you recall this?

http://biblehub.com/john/19-34.htm

I am not even trying to prove his death was due to the spear but a spear sure can cause you to die. It did a lot back in those days.

As to your education, I don't even try to dispute yours.

As you said, you went after me over my speaking of the crown in context of your man Obama.

You said you believed he died by the spear, but you need to look at the context of the verse you posted. Verse 33 of the same chapter said that He was already dead. This is before the piercing with the spear. This is why his legs were not broken.

[Crepitus]

Thank you for that rousing endorsement - sort of.

I believe you are smarter than the average Obama voter too.

its true we are both opinionated, you from the left and me from the right.

but the beauty of America is that everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Thank you as well.

It actually was meant as compliment, or at least kind of an anti-insult.

[Mac-7]

Thank you as well.

It actually was meant as compliment, or at least kind of an anti-insult.

I know.

Ive been called much worse.

[silvereyes]

But I don't even think you are dumb. Misguided, under-educated, slightly brain-washed,and a victim of the RWNM but not dumb.

This has got to be the MOST begrudging compliment ive ever seen.
:biglaugh:

[silvereyes]

careful Mister D - you will be now be known as lib, lib, lib, dumb, dumb, dumb....welcome to the club....would ya like a beer & some fresh popcorn?

You better not give him the good beer! Natty for him! And stale popcorn! :)

[silvereyes]

He is only 130 lbs. He has the metabolism of a hummingbird.

Ack. Please dont use that word! Its akin to cursing.

[Peter1469]

Ack. Please dont use that word! Its akin to cursing. Which word- 130lbs?

[Bob]

one of those? bummer....I'm married to one of them. My father in law used to say that my husband ate so much it made him poor to tote it.

Since we are just BS'ing, this is time for the Dale Emery story. Dale worked with me in piledriving. Dale was maybe 6-1 and you could see through him. He was strong though. Dale came to work daily with the largest grocery bag as his lunch tote. Dale ate all day long. I have gone to dinner with him and he ate a huge steak meal as I did. I was so full i could not hardly move. Dale said, time to eat. I was flummoxed.

I mention Dale by name since he once drove some very fast Dragsters. Dale owned one at a time. Last I heard, he was in TX and had suffered a heart attack. If somebody hears from Dale, let him know I am wanting to chat with him.

[Bob]

You said you believed he died by the spear, but you need to look at the context of the verse you posted. Verse 33 of the same chapter said that He was already dead. This is before the piercing with the spear. This is why his legs were not broken.

Is that how I phrased it? It is my recall that i said the thorns did not kill him, and that I believe is her claim. That two things could have killed him. The spear over the loss of blood and water. The suffocation due to the way the Romans mounted them on crosses.

[silvereyes]

Which word- 130lbs?

Lol. Asshead. We cant all be featherweights. :)

No, but i bet safety can tell ya which word.

[Hal Jordan]

Is that how I phrased it? It is my recall that i said the thorns did not kill him, and that I believe is her claim. That two things could have killed him. The spear over the loss of blood and water. The suffocation due to the way the Romans mounted them on crosses.

Yes, you phrased it that way in post #151. I didn't notice anyone saying that the thorns killed Him, just that they caused bleeding. There are a number of theories as to what it was exactly that killed Him, but researchers are uncertain. In all likelihood, it was a combination of factors, in which the thorn crown did play a part.

[Captain Obvious]

Can't they all be assholes?

/thread

[Bob]

Yes, you phrased it that way in post #151. I didn't notice anyone saying that the thorns killed Him, just that they caused bleeding. There are a number of theories as to what it was exactly that killed Him, but researchers are uncertain. In all likelihood, it was a combination of factors, in which the thorn crown did play a part.

Oh, lol, I am perfectly certain that lol the thorns killed lmao him. :rollseyes:

[Hal Jordan]

Oh, lol, I am perfectly certain that lol the thorns killed lmao him. :rollseyes:

Reading comprehension, please. Not a single person said it did.

[Bob]

Reading comprehension, please. Not a single person said it did.

Hell, better than that, some claimed I said the spear killed him. Get that. :roflmao:

[Hal Jordan]

Sorry but I believe he bled to death from the spear in his side. As to him bleeding heavily from the thorn crown is in dispute.

We Christians LOL

I am a Christian.

Because you did. I just bolded your own words. Scripture clearly says he was dead before the spear.

[Bob]

Because you did. I just bolded your own words. Scripture clearly says he was dead before the spear.


Medical examiner, Dr. Frederick Zugibe, believes Christ died from shock due to loss of blood and fluid, plus traumatic shock from his injuries, plus cardiogenic shock causing Christ’s heart to fail.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/jesusdeath.html

[Hal Jordan]

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/jesusdeath.html

And your point? Nothing on that site agrees with what you said about believing he bled to death from the spear... In fact...


The spear released a sudden flow of blood (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/blood.html) and water (John 19:34 (http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/john19.html#34)). Not only does this prove that Jesus was already dead when pierced, but Thompson believes it is also evidence of cardiac rupture.

[Peter1469]

Lol. Asshead. We cant all be featherweights. :)

No, but i bet safety can tell ya which word.
hahaha

[Bob]

And your point? Nothing on that site agrees with what you said about believing he bled to death from the spear... In fact...

I retract my comments about the spear.