Islamist Morsi Wins Egypts Presidential Vote.....

[MMC]

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CAIRO (AP) — Mohammed Morsi was declared Egypt's first Islamist president on Sunday after the freest elections in the country's history, narrowly defeating Hosni Mubarak's last Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq in a race that raised political tensions in Egypt to a fever pitch.
The country's last four presidents over the past six decades have all came from the ranks of the military. This is the first time modern Egypt will be headed by an Islamist and by a freely elected civilian.

The outcome will not put an end to the main power struggle in the country now between Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood and the military.

The election commission said Morsi won with 51.7 percent of the vote versus 48.3 for Shafiq. Turnout was 51 percent.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/islamist-morsi-wins-egypt-presidential-vote-143750771.html
Associated Press – 30 mins ago<<<<<

Results are in and the Muslim Brotherhood Candidate has won.....there goes the neighborhood. All that time wasted by giving Egypt money as long as they went by way of Democracy. Do you think if the US tells the Egyptian Military to make sure they follow the law. That will include going after the MB leaders and taking them out one by one? Or even imprison them? This piece says things between the MB and the Military will still not be put to an end. Even tho the radical won the Presidency.

[Goldie Locks]

so much for democracy...now the radical Islamists are in charge. The sub humans who think a goat should have more rights than women....and if you want your wife/daughter mutilated so she cannot enjoy sex, just call them and they'll send a van to pick her up to do the deed, you don't even have to leave your house. How many hours do they give the Jews and Christians to leave the country???

[moon]

so much for democracy...now the radical Islamists are in charge. The sub humans who think a goat should have more rights than women....and if you want your wife/daughter mutilated so she cannot enjoy sex, just call them and they'll send a van to pick her up to do the deed, you don't even have to leave your house. How many hours do they give the Jews and Christians to leave the country???

She's here all week, folks . **

[MMC]

:applause: :wink:

[moon]

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[Peter1469]

so much for democracy...now the radical Islamists are in charge. The sub humans who think a goat should have more rights than women....and if you want your wife/daughter mutilated so she cannot enjoy sex, just call them and they'll send a van to pick her up to do the deed, you don't even have to leave your house. How many hours do they give the Jews and Christians to leave the country???

Egypt didn't have democracy before. Their culture is not suited to it.

[moon]

Whose culture is ? *

[Goldie Locks]

so much for the Arab spring who wanted neither of these in charge, which Ubama wanted, encouraged...so all that protesting...what good did it do???

[MMC]

Well.....now maybe they can invoke the law. Which then I believe that would put the MB in a certain dilemma. Do you think the Egyptian Military is really going to let the MB have it's way in Egypt?

[Peter1469]

Whose culture is ? * Western culture. We value the individual over society.

I am not attaching a moral value to either side. The orientals make communitarianism work just fine.

[Goldie Locks]

Egypt didn't have democracy before. Their culture is not suited to it.

Well that supposedly was what they were after, but demoracy usually only works for those in charge...majority rules, if you're not in the majority, you will have no rights.

[moon]

Western culture. We value the individual over society.

*

The US of AIPAC operates a degenerate shadow of democracy. *Candidates are bought by billionaires and only the filthy rich hold the highest office.


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It's actually ripe hypocrisy for any American to criticize democracy anywhere else in the world. *But then, hypocrisy is an accepted part of US of AIPAC culture.*

[Goldie Locks]

Meanwhile...Egyptian beats pregnant wife to death for not voting for Mursi

[MMC]

Well.....duh, you don't let someone who is broke and poor, can't hold a job, and has no education become the Leader of a Country.

[moon]

Meanwhile...Egyptian beats pregnant wife to death for not voting for Mursi

That belongs in the ' Texan buggers ostrich ' school of journalism.*

[Goldie Locks]

Oh yeah, this will not be pretty to watch. Egypt is doomed.

[MMC]

Oh yeah, this will not be pretty to watch. Egypt is doomed.


Well one things for sure.....they won't be seeing as much money coming out of Washington to them. Not unless we see some action taken to implement a means to keep peace in the region. Looks like they will have to run to the IMF looking for money. But as I hear it.....they're about to be strapped.

[Goldie Locks]

Well one things for sure.....they won't be seeing as much money coming out of Washington to them. Not unless we see some action taken to implement a means to keep peace in the region. Looks like they will have to run to the IMF looking for money. But as I hear it.....they're about to be strapped.


Well Ubama already sent like 1.5 billion to the MB...outside of congress again, I believe.

[Goldie Locks]

Ubama has supported the radical Muslims in every uprising in the ME.

[moon]

To support the point;
Is Sheldon Adelson harming U.S. interests by pouring money into Republicans? The New York Times slammed casino magnate Sheldon Adelson on Sunday, accusing him of pouring money into a political agenda...http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/focus-u-s-a/is-sheldon-adelson-harming-u-s-interests-by-pouring-money-into-republicans-1.443602Another Zionist billionaire manipulating ' democracy ' in the US of AIPAC.

[MMC]

To support the point;Another Zionist billionaire manipulating ' democracy ' in the US of AIPAC.

Kareem Ahmed


Total Outside Group Spending: $1,000,000
Recipients: Priorities USA Action ($1,000,000)
Total 2012 Spending: $1,080,800
Other Recipients: DNC Services Corp ($30,800), Democratic Party of Pennsylvania ($10,000), Bob Casey ($5,000), more.
Another relative unknown, Kareem Ahmed, CEO of Landmark Medical Management, gave three separate checks to Priorities USA Action totaling $1,000,000 between February and March.
“President Obama is fighting to help middle class families during tough economic times, to transition our nation to a clean energy future, to fight to keep improving our health care - the list goes on and on,” he said in a statement to California Watch (http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/calif-money-flows-super-pacs-state-lawmakers-seek-limits-15425) in March. “Priorities USA Action has the President’s back, and I’m proud to have theirs.”
The California-based Ahmed has given widely to Democrats around the country this year, from Virginia Senate candidate Tim Kaine to Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) to Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA).....snip~

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...dman_obama.php (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/democrats_super_pacs_donors_katzenberg_goldman_oba ma.php)



Hmmmm.....what do they have to say about about an Arab in Liberal Lala-land?

[Peter1469]

Well that supposedly was what they were after, but demoracy usually only works for those in charge...majority rules, if you're not in the majority, you will have no rights.

The democracy movement is but a small group of westernized Egyptians. The problem is clear- when people vote, it will be for anti-democratic candidates.

[moon]

Hmmmm.....what do they have to say about about an Arab in Liberal Lala-land?Arab ? Is that your idea of an arab ? The man is a Muslim-American. You ought to check out the other faces on your ' Muckraker ' link.

[MMC]

Arab ? Is that your idea of an arab ? The man is a Muslim-American. You ought to check out the other faces on your ' Muckraker ' link.

I did check them out.....thats why I have them up as who they donate to. Course I can pretty much show the same thing for a lot of other Elections going on around the world. Wherein the rich give to whom they please.

[moon]

Neither votes nor candidates should be bought. The US of AIPAC example is shameful.

[MMC]

Neither votes nor candidates should be bought. The US of AIPAC example is shameful.


The same can be said of any elections that took place in Palestine. Or any Arab Country. Quite shameful in that Divine Comedy that exists within Democracy. Hence why there is no sympathy for the Tears of a Clown. :wink:

[Sultan]

Mathew Bradley just reporting being threatened and told that "Americans in Egypt will suffer from Egyptian people after today"

He's a Wall Street Journalist covering the elections in Cairo.

Not unusual at all.

This regime will not lie down and die peacefully!

The man who threatened him was an ex NDP (Mubaraks and Shafiks Party) member of parliament under Mubarak

No doubt the regime thugs are starting early tonight on foreign reporters.

[MMC]

Mathew Bradley just reporting being threatened and told that "Americans in Egypt will suffer from Egyptian people after today"

He's a Wall Street Journalist covering the elections in Cairo.

Not unusual at all.

This regime will not lie down and die peacefully!

The man who threatened him was an ex NDP (Mubaraks and Shafiks Party) member of parliament under Mubarak

No doubt the regime thugs are starting early tonight on foreign reporters.


Do you have a link to that or did someone say to him that Americans in Egypt will suffer? Meaning as a statement as if he was stating a fact?

[Peter1469]

Mathew Bradley just reporting being threatened and told that "Americans in Egypt will suffer from Egyptian people after today"

He's a Wall Street Journalist covering the elections in Cairo.

Not unusual at all.

This regime will not lie down and die peacefully!

The man who threatened him was an ex NDP (Mubaraks and Shafiks Party) member of parliament under Mubarak

No doubt the regime thugs are starting early tonight on foreign reporters.

Will Egypt be safe for Americas soon? I would love to return again. All that I saw the last time was the Sinai and Cairo.

[birddog]

Well Ubama already sent like 1.5 billion to the MB...outside of congress again, I believe.

I believe that was in March. 1.3 for the MB military, and .2 for their economy.

If Barry The Muslim sends them any more money, he should be charged with treason!

[MMC]

Will Egypt be safe for Americas soon? I would love to return again. All that I saw the last time was the Sinai and Cairo.

I didn't see anything in the Wall Street Journal as to Bradley saying he was threatened.

[MMC]

I believe that was in March. 1.3 for the MB military, and .2 for their economy.

If Barry The Muslim sends them any more money, he should be charged with treason!


Yeah it was as Hillary released the funds bypassing Congress again. Thats the one thing we have to get a hold of is these peeps bypassing Congress. If Congress is holding funds up then there are reasons why. Moreover the SOS shouldn't be in a position to bypass Congress EVER!

[Peter1469]

I didn't see anything in the Wall Street Journal as to Bradley saying he was threatened.


Just checking!

[MMC]

Just checking!


Myself I have never been one to trust.....but I will verify! :wink:

[Goldie Locks]

The WH congratulates the MB??? Oh Lord hep us.


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together.

[Goldie Locks]

Ubama helped instill this. This is what he wanted, so I guess it's only natural to congratulate him.

[RollingWave]

FWIW, Turkey was for the longest time a battle ground between military and Islamist, with the Islamist winning and Turkey is now a much better place with the military finally (mostly) tamed and the Islamist (mostly) acting rational and responsible.

I read a pretty good article a few days ago that points ou the obvious, letting the MB run Egypt as a democratically elected government is the best way to moderate them since you can't realistically use extreme idealogy in real life politics.

In power, they will no longer be able to hide in the ivory tower of idealogy nor behind the morale high ground of those being persecuted.

I seriously doubt that the process will be easy in Egypt though, Turkey took decades to get the whole thing clear and established.. I have a feelign it's going to be the same for Egypt. 1-2 decade at least before the military's shadow is finally out of politics. but it's gotta start somewhere, and Mubarack wasn't gonna last that long even without the Arab Spring anyway (the dude's 80 years old)

[Goldie Locks]

It will be an Islamic caliphate.

[RollingWave]

All hail Caliph Hussien Obama the first!!!! ;)

On a realistic note, if the concept of Caliphate was still valid in the Sunni world you'd figure Iraq / Syria / Turkey / Saudi all have a much stronger claim and probably would a went there a long time ago.

[Sultan]

Will Egypt be safe for Americas soon? I would love to return again. All that I saw the last time was the Sinai and Cairo.

To be honest the time is not right to come back.

The Shafik campaign relied on mass media campaign to scare the simple people of any foreigners saying they were spies. I posted the video here earlier. So many foreign reporters have been reporting that they have been stopped by the simple people and although none have been hurt they have beeen told to leave and are not welcome because 'their' TV warned them of spies and they are simple people who lack education with village mentality so it might ba a bit dangerous.
Thats Cairo too sadly because there are many villagers who have moved to the cities.

The safest places would be either Siwa Oasis or Nubia to visit right now.

This time next year should see a much better state than right now.

The stock market jumped 6% today after Morsi was announced president.
It was sinking totally when we were thinking it was going to be Shafik.
It's a good sign.

[Sultan]

Just checking!

He was being interviewed

Here is a Tweet he posted also

'former NDP' is Mubaraks criminal dissolved party



Matt Bradley ‏@MattMcBradley (https://twitter.com/#!/MattMcBradley) Just got threatened by a former NDP parliamentarian: "The Americans here will take it very bad from the Egyptian people."

[Sultan]

I believe that was in March. 1.3 for the MB military, and .2 for their economy.

If Barry The Muslim sends them any more money, he should be charged with treason!

Stop the aid.

No problem.

Dont cry though when Egypt stops your aircraft from using Egyptian air space or your Suez canal rights or many other things as they are written into the agreement.

[MMC]

All hail Caliph Hussien Obama the first!!!! ;)

On a realistic note, if the concept of Caliphate was still valid in the Sunni world you'd figure Iraq / Syria / Turkey / Saudi all have a much stronger claim and probably would a went there a long time ago.

I would not mistake their Gradualism with democracy as being moderate. But I doubt that they could have went there. Considering the times and technology. That is the one little key piece they have been missing. Still is missing.

No innovation, no technology, they don't even have any coming for the 21st or 22nd Centuries. We all know how they were able to step up into the world and with the only thing they have to bargain with. Black Gold, Texas Tea, now that source is running out on them. Just where do you think that puts them in crux of the big picture with the World and its Players?

[Sultan]

We are watching you Mr President

Today Google executive Wael Ghoneim has launched with Zabatak an online application to monitor President Morsi performance.

Morsi meter

Egyptians have first set of demands and Morsi now has to achieve them and will be monitored on his progress.

These are the first 64 promises made by Morsi and we will judge his performance and hold him accountable.

Morsi is a civil servant and Egypt will never again let a president become a pharaoh or God.


http://www.morsimeter.com/

[MMC]

Stop the aid.

No problem.

Dont cry thought when Egypt stops your aircraft from using Egyptian air space or your Suez canal rights or many other things as they are written into the agreement.

Stop the Aid and Trade. No more American Products. No more military equipment and of course then you will have to give up what we gave. Which then one has to ask how will Egypt then defend itself. Not to mention that aspect of not having the best equipment that the Country is allowed to have.

Don't cry then when the famine comes and we send no food. When that epidemic and contagious diseases start to spread all over the place there. Don't cry for medical drugs or medical assistance. When a natural disaster strikes. No assistance whatsoever.

We don't need to fly thru your Airspace. Course you won't be allowed to fly out of yours unless another country will allow you to cross their Airspace. Yes force the US out to take the longer way around which would affect us by slowing us down. But only with that time.

No more banking with the US. No more buying stock. No more US buisnesses coming there to Egypt. Loss of tourism.

Which means then Egypt would be put on that list of a Non-friendly status.....right next to Enemy. See there are many in the US that hold one concept. You are either with us......or against us. Your Choice! Myself, I can live with it with either way!

[Sultan]

These are the people who talk of foreigners as spies.

These are the thugs that were throwing the molotovs onto the heads of revolutionaries in Tahrir from the bridges you saw on your TV screens.

The ones who were trying to burn down the Egyptian museum and treasures of King and Queens and Tutankhamouns treasures, and Franciscan School in Tahrir.

The snipers.

The ones who work with the SS.

The ones loyal to Mubarak and his regime.

The ones who voted Shafik and campaigned for him.

Take a good look and then compare to the 25th January revolutionaries today in Tahrir.

THE FILOOL !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjqYfmuxGe8&amp;feature=player_embedded#!

[MMC]

Ubama helped instill this. This is what he wanted, so I guess it's only natural to congratulate him.

It gets even better.....Morsi Immediately came out and said he wants to rethink the Israel Pact and then came out and said he wants to build ties with Iran. For strategic balance. Already he starts with his foot off into his mouth. Already some are questioning how much power the Egyptian military will give him.....course with these statements. The Egyptian Military might not want to lose all that US assistance.

Course Obama and Demos with McCain, Graham, and Lieberman got it totally wrong in their assessment of the MB. As in their eyes all they can see was democracy being spread. They just failed to see at what cost. Which really is not surprsing as our lack of foreign policy clearly demonstrates. Also goes beyond policy and just picking people who can only speak a language. Know what I mean?

One thing is clear with this picture. It's on Obama's watch and just like he gets the credit for taking out Bin Laden he also gets the credit for this major screw-up. So does Hillary. Here is what Morsi had to say.

http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-morsi-rethink-israel-pact-build-iran-ties-093641370.html

Egypt's Islamist president-elect, Mohamed Morsi, wants to "reconsider" the peace deal with Israel and build ties with Iran to "create a strategic balance" in the Middle East, according to an interview published by Iran's Fars news agency on Monday.

The stated goals are certain to alarm Israel and its ally the United States as they adapt to the new direction Egypt will chart with Morsi at the helm.....snip~

[Sultan]

Stock market now 7% rise on news of Morsi presidency.

Circuit breaker!!!

Stock market is suspended due to huge fast increases since opening

[MMC]

You must mean Egypts own stock market.....because according to the Associated Press. The World Stocks Fell today.

MOSCOW (AP) — World stocks fell Monday amid concern that a critical European summit later this week will not yield a deal that might restore confidence in the future of the 17-country euro currency.

Investors already worried about an economic slowdown in the U.S. and China were preparing for the European leaders to disappoint at their June 28-29 gathering in Brussels. "Various summits and official meetings, including the G-20 meeting, have failed to deliver," said Mitul Kotecha, strategist at Credit Agricole CIB, so "markets are likely to remain relatively range bound ahead of the summit."

Britain's FTSE 100 declined by 0.8 percent in early trading to 5,471.56 points. Germany's DAX and France's CAC-40 both lost 1.5 percent to 6,170.25 and 3,044.15, respectively. After Asian indexes closed lower, Wall Street was forecast to fall on the open — Dow futures were down 0.7 percent and S&P 500 futures were down 0.8 percent.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/world-stocks-fall-skepticism-over-europe-summit-103349135--finance.html

Yeah must be some other market. Not the Worlds Stock Market!

[Sultan]

Two village peasant families had fight over Morsi Shafik result with one dead and 3 injured in shooting.

Obviously Jihadwatchers hasn't picked up on the story yet.

[Sultan]

The EGX 30 has now been suspended as it reached it's 10% threshold.

The 3 main indexes now suspended.

One day into Morsi victory and huge response from investors.

The way ahead.

Inshallah

http://www.nuwireinvestor.com/blogs/investorcentric/uploaded_images/stockmarket-730808.jpg

[Sultan]

"Still amused that Egypt’s new president can be said to be a rocket scientist. Far cry from that gamoosa Mubarak."


Quote from
The Arabist


Morsi studied rocket science for NASA.

Gamoosa is buffalo

:grin:

[Sultan]

A photo Egyptians never thought we would ever see.

A civilian elected president being shown his seat in the Presidential Office.

7000 years of history and still making history the world cannot ignore

http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/605461187.png?key=909550

One nice piece of news.

Egyptians are having a huge party in the 'New President' Hotel Zamalek to welcome the new President of Egypt.


Entry is only if wearing Galabeya !!!:wav::smiley_bar::boozing:

[roadmaster]

Egyptians are having a huge party in the 'New President' Hotel Zamalek to welcome the new President of Egypt.

Hope you will be happy. The Egyptians I know here said it was the worst thing that could happen. The ones I know there are unsure as to the future. One thing I do know is that the US should stay out of their politics, and stop aiding foreigners to take care of our own.

[Sultan]

Well right now the whole of Egypt except those in Tahrir are watching Shafiks spokesperson Tawfik Okasha on his channel having complete mental breakdown :grin: live on TV.

He's switched sides now and calling the Shafik campaign a complete disaster :slap:and calling now for all Egyptians to hold million man march against SCAF in front of Sadats tomb in Nasr City

30 years of Mubarak yet we can all still laugh at the NDP clowns and their circus!

:smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Sultan]

Sunday nights performance after result but for sure it can't beat tonights meltdown :grin:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5kLY-8n4t8&amp;feature=player_embedded

[Peter1469]

He sounds pretty ticked off. It would be neat to get a version with English subtitles.

[Sultan]

When any of the Mubaraks were on the roads the police halted all traffic causing huge jams for an hour at least anywhere near the road they would be on.

Egyptians would be sitting cars stuck in traffic in the heat as his wife or he went across town.

Today Egyptians saw for the first time a president make the journey from his house to the Presidential palace out on the main raods like this.

Not a god or a pharoah just an ordinary man a civil servant on his way to work to start his new job

Love him or hate him this is what Egypt has been bleeding and dying for for too long to see.

https://p.twimg.com/AwRP2OoCMAAVryJ.jpg

[Sultan]

He sounds pretty ticked off. It would be neat to get a version with English subtitles.

I will check and see if there is one online for you

[Goldie Locks]

Not a god or a pharoah just an ordinary man who wants Sharia Law and a world Caliphate....got it....good luck with that.

[Sultan]

Cabinet News

Looking like El Baradei will be the next PM and Fotouh will be one of the VP's from what we are hearing.

El B is leading the negotiations between Morsi-SCAF-Opposition

Morsi is forming a national coalition government. One of the demands revolutionaries have made.

So far day 1 has had good results. In fact very good results.

[MMC]

Not a god or a pharoah just an ordinary man who wants Sharia Law and a world Caliphate....got it....good luck with that.

Lets Hope he makes the mistake and starts talking shit about the US openly. Think they got the balls to challenge us directly? Think they want to utter those words. We declare War on you. See this is what they would like without having to make that declaration. At least they understand that very important point when having to stand up and be weighed!

Hopefully some of these Washington Aides can pick up stuff like this and take it back to their Pols and show them just what they got to say overseas.

[Goldie Locks]

Lets Hope he makes the mistake and starts talking shit about the US openly. Think they got the balls to challenge us directly? Think they want to utter those words. We declare War on you. See this is what they would like without having to make that declaration. At least they understand that very important point when having to stand up and be weighed!

Hopefully some of these Washington Aides can pick up stuff like this and take it back to their Pols and show them just what they got to say overseas.


I think they already have challenged us directly. Haven't you seen the video's of the Islamic leaders "Death to America"?

[MMC]

I think they already have challenged us directly. Haven't you seen the video's of the Islamic leaders "Death to America"?

Yeah.....but I am not talking about those that will not hide their intentions. This is a completely marked difference when you have those that feign alliance while seeking to twist the knife in your side. Or to stab you in your back.

[Goldie Locks]

Lets see how much of this comes true...my bet is quite a lot.

BECK TO REVEAL WHAT’S IN STORE AFTER MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD REIGNS VICTORIOUS IN EGYPT
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-to-reveal-whats-in-store-after-muslim-brotherhood-reigns-victorious-in-egypt/

[MMC]

Lets see how much of this comes true...my bet is quite a lot.

BECK TO REVEAL WHAT’S IN STORE AFTER MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD REIGNS VICTORIOUS IN EGYPT


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-to-reveal-whats-in-store-after-muslim-brotherhood-reigns-victorious-in-egypt/

We already have 5 Congressmen up on it with more joining in the ranks. All Heads of Committees to except for one of them.

[Goldie Locks]

We already have 5 Congressmen up on it with more joining in the ranks. All Heads of Committees to except for one of them.


OK...lets see where it goes. I say nowhere. They will be called bigots and Islamiphobes.

[Goldie Locks]

Caliphate is coming...don't know when but it is coming. Speaker talking about it and Morsi shakes his head yes, including Caliphate in America.

[MMC]

Caliphate is coming...don't know when but it is coming. Speaker talking about it and Morsi shakes his head yes, including Caliphate in America.

Generals gathered in the masses.....just like witches at black masses. Evil Minds that plot destruction, Sorcerors of Death's Construction.
In the fields the bodies burning, as the War Machine Keeps Turning. Death and hatred to mankind, poison in their brainwashed minds.

Now in darkness the world Stops turning, ashes where the bodies burning
No more War Pigs have Power, Hand of God has struck the Hour.
Day of Judgement God is calling, on their knees the War Pigs crawling
Begging mercies for their sins, Satan laughing spreads his wings.....end of Quote.

"They say there is enough religion in the world to make men hate one another but not enough to love".....-LouisCyphre.

[moon]

OK...lets see where it goes. I say nowhere. They will be called bigots and Islamiphobes.
They are bigots and Islamophobes.*

[Sultan]

He sounds pretty ticked off. It would be neat to get a version with English subtitles.

I cant find it in English on U Tube.

Actually this is quite serious now.

Last night Okasha on TV was blasting the SCAF with insults and calling for Egyptians to rise up and fight the SCAF and head to Sadats Tomb on Friday. What started off as a joke now is serious.
He was not calling for Egyptians to unite. He was asking Shafik supporter to go to Sadats Tomb instead of Tahrir to create an opposition force. We already know of the deep state and the thugs and opposition counter revolutionaries of Mubarak but he is calling for them to come out in daylight now as we are only used to them coming out at night with molotovs and knives and guns.

We are now worried because Okasha has a lot of audience and is watched and believed in the villages and low class areas and a kind of cult figure. He's the Egyptian Glenn Beck they say and only the illiterate and peasants watch his shows but last night we were all watching because he was really going crazy!!
He's the guy who spreads the rumours and lies and was a big influence during the Shafik campaign.
It's easy to influence peasants and the scary thing is they always believe what he says.

Now he is accusing SCAF of not manipulating the results to allow Shafik to win.
Now he is accusing some generals on Shafik campaign of being traitors!!!!

When you tell this kind of thing to simple village peasants and illiterates who supported him in the villages like Minya and Qena and Sohag etc they are tribal and go wild and so most of his supporters were either NDP or Christians we think there will be huge trouble now between them and the rest of us.

This is not a joke now.

Peopple are are less angry with SCAF now and more worried about the 'deep state' of the filool when they are doing this kind of thing!!!

Okasha has huge influence with the peasants and this has a big risk now.

I will translate the video for you, it's not exact word for word translation because it would not sound right in English.
I have put it into undertstandable English.


This is what it says below when he was first angry after the result but last nights which is not avaiable yet was much worse and serious. He is threatening SCAF and calling for battle with the generals!!!



"The campaign manager and staff of Mr Shafik are losers.

The campaign had no success.

General Hassan!!!!!!!!, General Mannaa!!!!!!!!!

I told them , I will be critisising you

I tell nothing but the truth

I am afraid of no body, I want nothing from anybody

General Hassan, calls himself 'General Doctor' Hassan when he knows nothing

and will never know anything

It will take him 1000 years to know and understand anything

General Mannaa who was the aviation minister knows nothing about elections or campaigining.

Both generals know nothing about elections or campaigining

I wish they have told Shafik the truth.

Egyptians do not know how to say " I do not know"

[Carygrant]

I believe the short summary below , taken from an Al Jazeera report this morning , summarises key points calmly and rationally .
imo


CHALLENGES FACING MOHAMMED MORSI:

After taking the oath of office, Morsi will face a number of political, social and economic challenges, but the main issue is how much power the new president will actually have.
A couple of days before the run-off Egypt's high court ordered the dissolution of the Islamist-dominated parliament.
Then as the polls were closing, the generals who run the country issued an interim constitutional declaration granting themselves all legislative powers and at the same time reinforcing their role in drafting a permanent constitution. The document also exempted the military from civilian oversight.
On June 18, Field Marshal Mohammed Hussein Tantawi, the head of Egypt's Supreme Military Council announced the re-establishment of a National Defence Council, putting the generals in charge of Egypt's national security policy.

[Sultan]

This video is being shared on internet.

It is a perfect example to show you what village peasants from places like Minya etc are like when angry.

The ones the Jihadwatch quoters dont want you to see.

This shows angry Christian peasants after the result was announced.

Notice how the guy in white with his campaign badge round his neck is acting like the conductor of this horrific display and directing them.

There are 4 women in the video. Two Christians and two Muslims. The two Muslims are from the city and are dressed in city Hijab style.
The Christians are peasant village class and wears the peasant hijab style.

One Muslim girl in orange is filming the Christian woman on her mobile.
The other is watching the display of the peasants outside the Shafik HQ.

Christians either wear no hijab or if they are from villages they wear it like the female in blue who rips her clothes and slapping her own face.

God help that little child of hers in the green shirt. You can imagine what kind of home he is being brought up in!

These are Okashas audience!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef72LP07WJ4&amp;feature=youtu.be

[Sultan]

I believe the short summary below , taken from an Al Jazeera report this morning , summarises key points calmly and rationally .
imo


CHALLENGES FACING MOHAMMED MORSI:

After taking the oath of office, Morsi will face a number of political, social and economic challenges, but the main issue is how much power the new president will actually have.
A couple of days before the run-off Egypt's high court ordered the dissolution of the Islamist-dominated parliament.
Then as the polls were closing, the generals who run the country issued an interim constitutional declaration granting themselves all legislative powers and at the same time reinforcing their role in drafting a permanent constitution. The document also exempted the military from civilian oversight.
On June 18, Field Marshal Mohammed Hussein Tantawi, the head of Egypt's Supreme Military Council announced the re-establishment of a National Defence Council, putting the generals in charge of Egypt's national security policy.
















yes that is when you are talking to calm rational people but as the video shows not all sides are calm or rational

I'd like you to try showing the people in the video your calm rational quote and see what reaction you get.

[Sultan]

Egypts Glenn Beck photo being shared around Egypt today

https://p.twimg.com/AwRZqhqCAAAartz.jpg

[Sultan]

Shafik took a 01.30 flight out of Cairo to UAE this morning.

35 cases of corrution filed against him in the courts.

Has he fled?

[Sultan]

Appears Omar Suleiman Cairo and US Torturer in Chief, left for UAE too!

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/1/29/1296315216098/Egyptian-intelligence-chi-007.jpg

Shafik and his daughters left on Etihad flight out to Abu Dhabi not Egyptair :grin:

[Trinnity]

Two village peasant families had fight over Morsi Shafik result with one dead and 3 injured in shooting.

Obviously Jihadwatchers hasn't picked up on the story yet.Who cares? Lots of people kill each other in the ME over stupid arguments and perceived slights. We have that here in America in the Black community too. There's not enough room in the newspapers to report it all.

[Carygrant]

yes that is when you are talking to calm rational people but as the video shows not all sides are calm or rational

I'd like you to try showing the people in the video your calm rational quote and see what reaction you get.


I don't think we are at odds with each other , Sultan.
Both perspectives are important parts of the greater picture .

[MMC]

OK...lets see where it goes. I say nowhere. They will be called bigots and Islamiphobes.

Look up what Condi Rice has to say about the whole thing. This could turn out with a positive too. For if the MB proves they unable to handle the job. Or they put Egypt at a greater risk. Which they will. As you know most are incompetant in all things they do. Then they will be finished politically with no chance to come back at all. Course this don't include the Egyptian Military going after any of them either.

I guarntee you the Egyptian military will keep the MB leashed tightly. Already Morsi is playing two step as he now clarified his remarks to that he will follow what the Egyptian Government and what the people wants to do. Not what he wants to do over the Egyptian People. Kinda like he just found out how far he could step. Didn't even take 24 hours before he was stopped cold with his stuttering. :wink:

[Sultan]

Egypt's Shafik flees to UAE
Published Tuesday, June 26, 2012

A Cairo airport official says Hosni Mubarak's last prime minister who was defeated by an Islamist in the race for Egypt's new president has left the country for the United Arab Emirates.
The official says Ahmed Shafik flew out of Egypt at dawn Tuesday, just hours after the country's prosecutor general opened an investigation into allegations that he wasted public funds during his eight-year-term as a civil aviation minister under Mubarak.
The official says Shafik was accompanied by his three daughters and grandchildren. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
Muslim Brotherhood's candidate Mohammed Morsi narrowly defeated Shafik in the presidential election runoff that deeply polarized the nation.

[Sultan]

Tuesdays stock market still rising on Morsi victory.
Yesterday was biggest leap in 9 years.

El Baradei, SCAF and Morsi still in talks forming cabinet and other issues. El Baradei saying SCAF meetings are fruitful

[Sultan]

The regime is crumbling it seems.

defections and Okasha meltdown and Mubarak and sons meltdown on verdict, and now it seems that the long hated MOI and Intelligence services are calling for military coup and the army to oust SCAF!

Every Egyptian knows that the army hated the MOI and Intelligence led by Omar Suleiman and USA under Mubarak.

They hated Gamal Mubarak and Tantawy hates US influence and sends Sami Annan to deal with them when he can.

Well seems that the account of Military Secret which has been supporting Shafik campaign is now today after Okasha last night trying to set the army against SCAF!

For sure this will not happen and I am glad of that.

Right now we need the filool to flee to UAE or London or Washington or Riyadh and leave us in peace. Leaving their criminal enterprises and illegal land deals and stolen money behind of course.

Morsi needs to cleanse Egypt totally from this mafia!

[Sultan]

Suicide in Wadi Gideed!
Chief prosecutor is dead!

Morsi has held meeting with mother of Khalid Said who was turtured and beaten to death by Mubaraks regime in Mubaraks ex office this morning a beautiful sight.

Morsi promises to bring to justice the killers of the martyrs.

God bless Morsi

may Khalid and all the rest of the martyrs who die at the hands of dictators rest in peace

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07c67qJbJxdip/766x575.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000

http://www.egyptindependent.com//sites/default/files/imagecache/main_media/photo/2012/06/06/115366/img_9566.jpg

[Sultan]

Muslims in Marsa Matrouh in North Coast surround Church to protect it as the Christian peasants go mad after verdict and Morsi announced winner.

http://i45.tinypic.com/3eutx.jpg

[Sultan]

Morsi forbids any photographs of him in Government buildings and asks that no newspaper publishes congratulations on his win.

Mubaraks photos were everywhere!!!!!!!!! and newspapers HAD to publish all his trash every day!!

What a breath of clean air we are breathing on day 2

[Sultan]

Morsi to have female Coptic Christian as VP


A political advisor of President-elect Mohamed Morsy said a Copt and woman would be appointed as vice-presidents.

Ahmed al-Deif told CNN that it would be the first time in Egypt’s history that a woman would be appointed to this position that will be granted powers.
“We didn’t call for establishing an Islamic republic in Egypt. Morsy was very clear on this. He assured [he is] seeking a civilian constitutional country, a civilized one based on respecting cultures, principles and religions,” he added.


Could it be that Egypt a Muslim country full of radical extremists and terrorists and savages beats the great USA the land of freedom and democracy in electing a woman as Vice President?

Like Pakistan electing female presidents before the Great USA ?

Is it true?

Surely not..............

[Sultan]

http://i50.tinypic.com/35arv2q.jpg

[Sultan]

Morsi holds meeting with martyr Mina Daniels sister in Presidential office.

Has told his security that the door is always open and his security to always allow them access to him at all times.

A president in his Majlis!!!!!

Yarab what a dream for Egyptians

[Sultan]

Stock Market saw 6 billion profit today after yesterdays 18 billion profit a record breaking 2 days trading.

Court overturns SCAF law to allow MP to arrest civilians.

[moon]

Ace. * *Watch out for CIA/MOSSAD assassins. * They're not keen on unmanaged democracies.*

[Sultan]

Ace. * *Watch out for CIA/MOSSAD assassins. * They're not keen on unmanaged democracies.*

Don't worry the hashasheen are to busy killing babies and building their radar fence on the Southern border :wink:

[Sultan]

Morsi tells state media he will appoint 2 strong VP's. One a woman and one a Coptic Christian.

[Sultan]

"He who rules Egypt rules the world"

Tunisia's President
Rachid Ghannoushi

[Sultan]

Sinai Weekly

If you voted for Shafiq, I’m sorry your candidate lost, you have every right to express grief about it.

I’m sorry those people celebrating victory in Tahrir don’t seem educated and don’t look “decent” enough for your liking.

I’m sorry that while you and I were getting a proper education and going shopping, they were dying of sickness, unable to provide for their kids, having to send their 7 year olds to work to help provide food and clothes.

I’m sorry that as a result, this has taken a toll on their looks and you now have to suffer looking at an unpleasant sight.

I’m sorry that I lived in a bubble most my life, ignored those people and didn’t reach out to them like I should.

Meanwhile, a banned religious political group provided them with help, money, clothes, blankets…. I’m sorry they now prefer that group to me or you or Shafiq who disregarded their needs all our lives.

I’m sorry you now believe it’s “their country” not yours. I’m sorry they felt like it was “our country” not theirs for the past 30 years.

I’m sorry you identify yourself as a “liberal” but curse everyone who doesn’t share the same beliefs as you.

I’m sorry you don’t know that the main principle of liberalism is individual freedom, which means allowing everyone to choose who to vote or not vote for, what to wear, what to believe, and not curse them for believing in something that’s different from what you believe in.

I’m sorry you want to pack your bags and leave. I’m sorry your patriotism was so strong before the elections when you spoke about defending a civil Egypt, but now you believe that won’t be the case, and your “patriotism” has suddenly vanished and you don’t want to stay and fight for that civil Egypt.

I’m sorry you don’t think your vision for Egypt is worth fighting for.

Small reminder: That group you despise so strongly has been fighting to implement its vision for over 80 years. I’m sorry you’re not willing to put up that same fight.

I’m sorry you expect women’s roles to be diminished.

I’m sorry you haven’t met the great, strong, inspiring Egyptian women that I’ve been fortunate enough to meet.

I know that these women will never be silenced.

I’m sorry you expected to sit back and let someone steal your rights from you, but I know they’ll fight on your behalf and make sure that doesn’t happen.

I’m sorry you think “they’ll turn Egypt into Pakistan or Afghanistan” and you believe you don’t have a say in what direction your country is heading.

I’m sorry 30 years of oppression has taught you that it’s only those in charge who have a say.

I’m sorry the past year and a half have taught you nothing about the power of the people.


:applause:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197698_388725434520979_997752725_n.jpg

[URF8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oiLfTnrC40

[MMC]

"He who rules Egypt rules the world"

Tunisia's President
Rachid Ghannoushi

:smiley_ROFLMAO:.....:facepalm:.....:biglaugh:.... :rofl:......:point:.....Must be for his late nite Stand-up Comedy routine. Now thats some funny Shiznit! :burp:

[Sultan]

Morsi will donate his Presidential salary to one of the projects for poor.

Morsi says he will not move into the Oruba Palace but stay in his normal house and commute each day.

[moon]

Ace. The world could do with more Gandhis. Democracy is corrupted.

[Sultan]

Ace. The world could do with more Gandhis. Democracy is corrupted.

There is a lovely feeling in Egypt right now. A feeling of peace after so much pain.

Thank God Egyptians have done this alone and without outside interference.
Thank God because we would never hear the last of it for the next 30 years.

Morsi meeting Mina Daniel the martyr sister Maria in his office today

https://p.twimg.com/AwWG27tCMAAlSl6.jpg

[Sultan]

Names being talked of are Dr Rafiq Habib and Rabab el Mahdi as the Christian and the female VP's.

Great choices if it is true.

Habib is the Christian VP of the MB 's FJP party

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eus1BhTJTP8/0.jpg

Rabab is Fotouhs campaign manager/activist/human rights activist/ revolutionary.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2012/1086/ho303.jpg

[Sultan]

As ever the multi headed cobra never lets us down :grin:

Amr Mussa who walked out of the Committee for the Constituent assembly so many times came back today said Ayman Noor:blahblah:

[Sultan]

The other snake clown cobra Abu Ismail also resurfaced and said that he will form his own party and will be in opposition to Morsi policies :grin:

My advice to Abu Ismail and his worshippers has not changed.

Go to Kabul or Riyadh or New York and take your Wahabi jihadist worshipers with you :wave:

[Goldie Locks]

"He who rules Egypt rules the world"

Tunisia's President
Rachid Ghannoushi


They wish...through a Caliphate. Do you believe in everything the Koran says???

[Goldie Locks]

There is a lovely feeling in Egypt right now. A feeling of peace after so much pain.

Thank God Egyptians have done this alone and without outside interference.
Thank God because we would never hear the last of it for the next 30 years.

Morsi meeting Mina Daniel the martyr sister Maria in his office today

https://p.twimg.com/AwWG27tCMAAlSl6.jpg


Hardly!!! Ubama gave 1.5 BILLION to the MB and to the Egyptian election.

[Goldie Locks]

The other snake clown cobra Abu Ismail also resurfaced and said that he will form his own party and will be in opposition to Morsi policies :grin:

My advice to Abu Ismail and his worshippers has not changed.

Go to Kabul or Riyadh or New York and take your Wahabi jihadist worshipers with you :wave:


But Morsi is not a jihadist??? That's funny right there.

[Peter1469]

Caliphate is coming...don't know when but it is coming. Speaker talking about it and Morsi shakes his head yes, including Caliphate in America.

A Caliphate may rise, but it would be decades if not a hundred years before they had the military strength to project power. For God's sake, is there any Arab nation that even produces AK-47s? You can't win offensive war with IEDs alone.

[MMC]

Hardly!!! Ubama gave 1.5 BILLION to the MB and to the Egyptian election.

The French gave 40mil Euros. I just wonder how much the Brits gave too. Do you think asking other countries for money to help them get their elections up and going is doing it on their own? Also Clinton helped release funds for that Military aid. Does that sound like they were doing this all on their own?

Remember when Ginsburg was over there talking about the Constitution. Then said the stupid crap she did out of her mouth about the Constitution.
Do you think those Egyptians that asked to study the US Constitution so as to try and format their own Constitution. Is doing it alone? Why then if they don't need any Americans for anything. Did they need Americans to come in and help them understand what a Constitution really is? Just why were they using all these different Americans to get things accomplished for their so called Freedom?

[Goldie Locks]

A Caliphate may rise, but it would be decades if not a hundred years before they had the military strength to project power. For God's sake, is there any Arab nation that even produces AK-47s? You can't win offensive war with IEDs alone.

Their freaking delusional, but they believe it.

[MMC]

A Caliphate may rise, but it would be decades if not a hundred years before they had the military strength to project power. For God's sake, is there any Arab nation that even produces AK-47s? You can't win offensive war with IEDs alone.

No new technologies, military or scientific. None medically. No innovation with the Modern day world. What do you think this says and means?

Lets look at this realistically Pete. If Egypt fails to keep the region Stable and decidec to screw the US over with the Suez. What do you think that percievable outcome will be. Since there will be no way to avoid the encounter.

Heya I got take a call be back in a bit.

[URF8]

This is Egypt:

“Please God. Please make it stop.”Posted on June 26, 2012 (http://natashajsmith.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/please-god-please-make-it-stop/) by natashajaynesmith (http://natashajsmith.wordpress.com/author/natashajaynedomain/)

I have been forced to leave Cairo prematurely following a horrific sexual and physical attack in Tahrir Square.
The atmosphere was one of jubilation, excitement, and happiness as I walked, accompanied by two male companions for safety along Kasr El Nil bridge. I had had an awful day, caused by problems in personal relationships, so I was so happy to be in such a wonderful environment, getting such amazing footage. Women, children and fathers smiled, waved, and cheered happily at the camera, calling out the widely used phrase “welcome to Egypt! Welcome!”. Fireworks lit up the sky. It was a moving and captivating experience.
Just as I realised I had reached the end of the bridge, I noticed the crowd became thicker, and decided immediately to turn around to avoid Tahrir Square. My friends and I tried to leave. I tried to put my camera back in my rucksack.
But in a split second, everything changed. Men had been groping me for a while, but suddenly, something shifted. I found myself being dragged from my male friend, groped all over, with increasing force and aggression. I screamed. I could see what was happening and I saw that I was powerless to stop it. I couldn’t believe I had got into this situation.
My friend did everything he could to hold onto me. But hundreds of men were dragging me away, kicking and screaming. I was pushed onto a small platform as the crowd surged, where I was hunched over, determined to protect my camera. But it was no use. My camera was snatched from my grasp. My rucksack was torn from my back – it was so crowded that I didn’t even feel it. The mob stumbled off the platform – I twisted my ankle.
Men began to rip off my clothes. I was stripped naked. Their insatiable appetite to hurt me heightened. These men, hundreds of them, had turned from humans to animals.
Hundreds of men pulled my limbs apart and threw me around. They were scratching and clenching my breasts and forcing their fingers inside me in every possible way. So many men. All I could see was leering faces, more and more faces sneering and jeering as I was tossed around like fresh meat among starving lions.
I shouted “salam! Salam! Allah! Allah!”. In my desperate state I also shouted “ma’is salaama!” which actually means “goodbye” – just about the worst possible thing to say to a horde of men trying to ruin me. I might as well have yelled “goodbye cruel world! Down I go!”
A small minority of men, just a couple at first, tried to protect me and guide me to a tent. The tent was crushed, its contents scattered into shards all over the ground. I was barefoot as they stole my nice new shoes. I was tossed around once more, being violated every second. I was dragged naked across the dirty ground. Men pulled my blonde hair – a beacon of my alien identity.
The men trying to protect me tried to guide me into another tent. I was able to scramble onto the ground.I sat with my back against a chair and surveyed the surging mob. Although a few men tried to form a human shield around me, offering me rags to cover my bruised body, men were still able to touch me. There were just too many.
I felt surprisingly calm. I understood what was happening and just transcended into a detached state of mind. I gazed around at the bared teeth and raging eyes. The tent began to collapse and I was cloaked in a huge sheet. I was struggling to breathe. One man lifted a tent pole and attempted to strike me with it.
At this point, I said aloud to myself, calmly, over and over, “please God. Please make it stop. Please God. Please make it stop.”
I’m not religious. But at times of desperation, we all feel compelled to appeal to some higher power to save us. It’s human nature. The need to feel safe and loved is what compels many to reach for religion in the first place.
An ambulance forced its way through the crowd. It opened its doors, and was invaded by tens of men. It closed up and drove away.
I began to think, “maybe this is just it. Maybe this is how I go, how I die. I’ve had a good life. Whether I live or die, this will all be over soon. Maybe this is my punishment for some of the emotional pain I’ve caused others through some foolish mistakes and poor judgement recently. I hope it’s quick. I hope I die before they rape me.”
I looked up and saw a couple of women in burkas scattered around. They looked at me blankly, then looked away.
After 5-10 minutes, my friend managed to convince people inside a medical tent to form a pathway through the crowd to guide me into the tent. During transit I was mauled and invaded.
I reached the tent and saw my friend Callum. Muslim women surrounded me and frantically tried to cover my naked body. I fell to the ground and apparently temporarily lost consciousness.
The women told me the attack was motivated by rumours spread by trouble-making thugs that I was a foreign spy, following a national advertising campaign warning of the dangers of foreigners. But if that was the cause, it was only really used as a pretext, an excuse, to molest and violate a blonde young Western girl.
The men outside remained thirsty for blood; their prey had been cruelly snatched from their grasp. They peered in, so I had to duck down and hide. They attempted to attack the tent, and those inside began making a barricade out of chairs. They wanted my blood.
Women were crying and telling me “this is not Egypt! This is not Islam! Please, please do not think this is what Egypt is!” I reassured her that I knew that was the case, that I loved Egypt and its culture and people, and the innate peacefulness of moderate Islam. She appeared stunned. But I’m not really a vengeful person and I could see through the situation. This vicious act was not representative of the place I had come to know and love.
After much heated debate, it was decided that Callum and I would leave separately to avoid attracting attention. I was disguised in a burka and men’s clothes and ordered to hold the hand of an Egyptian stranger who would pretend to be my husband. I was terrified but I could see it was the only way out, and had to decide to trust him.
He pulled me through the crowds out of the back of the tent. He told me: “don’t cry. Do not cry. Look normal.”
I was barefoot, dodging broken glass and debris, trawling through mud and dirt. My inner reserves of strength kicked in, and I stopped crying and just thought “keep calm and carry on.”
My trousers had clearly belonged to someone much fatter, and were falling down.
I thought I was being led to an ambulance, or to hospital. The man sat me down by the side of the road, still ordering me not to cry. Eventually, his friends turned up, with Callum. They explained that they couldn’t take us to hospital since they might be arrested if they were seen with us.
One man helpfully suggested: “you want to go to McDonalds? Get some food?” I declined this generous offer of culinary compensation for the evening’s events. Surprisingly, I wasn’t really in the mood for a Big Mac.
Callum and I went on our way. We eventually hailed a taxi. Upon reaching a government hospital downtown, we tried to explain the situation. People stared at us blankly, sloping around the corridors. We were turned away and told to go to a nearby hospital instead. Nobody would take us; we just had to walk there.
Upon arrival, I was eventually ushered into a small cubicle. Two men asked “are you pregnant? Married? A virgin?” They seemed displeased by my response of “no”.
They led me back outside to sit with Callum. I was refused examination and treatment. Eventually I decided I’d just have to check for damage myself. I went to the bathroom and couldn’t believe the reflection. I was dirty, wounded, with hair like a tramp and eyes wide with shock.
For 2-3 hours, people strolled past us, a couple of them making vague attempts at phonecalls to the embassy. At every stage, Callum did everything in his power to speed up the process and talk sense into everyone. It was thanks to him that the people in the medical tent saved me. He effectively saved my life.
Somehow, we ended up with the embassy thinking we were at the police station, the hospital staff not realising we were still at the hospital, and the police thinking we were…god knows where.
I was sat in a room full of men. One of them seemed to be taking a photo of me. I’m not sure why, as I wasn’t exactly looking glamorous. It all made my heart race.
It was Callum’s phonecalls (he had to use other people’s phones as both of ours had been stolen) that bore fruit. Finally our friends turned up with a lady from the embassy. I was taken to a private hospital where a doctor’s first question was “are you married?”, which is of course the most important question to be asking a victim of mass sexual abuse.
He and a female nurse (who only reluctantly kept me covered up) looked briefly at the damage and just wandered off, saying that because I didn’t have internal bleeding, they couldn’t do anything. A useful trip, that was.
Finally, I was taken home by my friends, and put to bed. I didn’t want to tell my family right away, as I knew it would destroy them.
Yesterday, I had a proper examination and darted around sorting things out, spending an eternity giving a police report. People with me were reduced to tears, but I didn’t real feel like crying. People kept telling me “you’re being so brave”, but I just felt like getting on with it. Maybe it’ll catch up with me in a few days, I don’t know.
....

http://natashajsmith.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/please-god-please-make-it-stop/

[Goldie Locks]

This is the ME. Women are raped all the time in several countries. Then they need 4 males for witnesses in order to prosecute. That's why the Muslim men will say, we hardly have any rape here, because they are never prosecuted.

[MMC]

No new technologies, military or scientific. None medically. No innovation with the Modern day world. What do you think this says and means?

Lets look at this realistically Pete. If Egypt fails to keep the region Stable and decidec to screw the US over with the Suez. What do you think that percievable outcome will be. Since there will be no way to avoid the encounter.

Heya I got take a call be back in a bit.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/New_Smilies/2bump.gif

[Peter1469]

Most of Egyptian armor is US made and US supplied for maintenance. They couldn't operate in combat conditions for 2 weeks without resupply.

[MMC]

Most of Egyptian armor is US made and US supplied for maintenance. They couldn't operate in combat conditions for 2 weeks without resupply.

Think the Islamists want that money to stop rolling in? The AP reported today that Egypt still needed the 1.5 Billion from the US. That they will need more money to get their economy up and going. Think we should help get their economy back up again?

Is there some reason why the World market wasnt reporting this alleged market news, about these stocks and indexes going up for Egypt?

[moon]

Most of Egyptian armor is US made and US supplied for maintenance. They couldn't operate in combat conditions for 2 weeks without resupply.

*That's why it seems likely that Egypt will buy from Russia, once it rids itself of its corrupted military leadership. * Once again, overriding concerns for Israel will damage the US, I predict .*

[Sultan]

Most of Egyptian armor is US made and US supplied for maintenance. They couldn't operate in combat conditions for 2 weeks without resupply.

That is one of the things that will change in the CD agreement.

Egypt will buy from other markets now and now be free also to manufacture her own which she also was not allowed to do under the CD.

Women here will now be able to buy European goods in the markets and not all American and they are happy about that and will have more choice they say.

[MMC]

*That's why it seems likely that Egypt will buy from Russia, once it rids itself of its corrupted military leadership. * Once again, overriding concerns for Israel will damage the US, I predict .*

Well of course Egypt has to have money in order to buy from the Russians. But then getting them re-trained to move over to Russians systems and moving to the Second best tech in the World, will take time. But since you and your buddy seem to think somehow there will be away to screw over the US. I say go for the Gusto and just call the US out.

No more games. Declare War on us.....and then we will solve the problem permanently!

Course you might want to start hoping that the US and Russia won't decide a little joint venture together. Because then who can these Arab countries run to for help then. Sure would hate to see that happen. Especially if it was with the intention of Total War. As this mean no survivors to ever come back crying and whining about how they lost a War.

[moon]

BRIC is tomorrow. * US of AIPAC was yesterday. * Today we rest and consolidate.*

[Sultan]

BRIC is tomorrow. * US of AIPAC was yesterday. * Today we rest and consolidate.*

A new era !
The Hasbara and Jihadwatch warriors are being put on a global ignore :grin:



Morsi met with the 'acting pope' and his Christian delegation today.

Anba Bakhomious told the president-elect that his assumption of the country's highest office was "a comfort to all Egyptians."

Morsi stressed to Bakhomious that he would not allow anyone to "condescend" to Egypt's Coptic-Christians in the latter's own country.

Morsi also told Bakhomious that he would maintain close contacts with the Coptic Church and community.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/Media/News/2012/6/26/2012-634763465200276366-27.jpg

This afternoon he meets with the hated and totally Pro Mubarak State TV and Media executives :grin:

[Sultan]

I'm wondering why Clinton hasn't been to Egypt yet........????

3 days is late for the White House mafia to get on the plane to Cairo :huh:

[Sultan]

Rumors of El Baradei, Rafiq Habib and Rabab el Mahdi as 3 new VP's.

Farouk El Okda as the PM. He was the chief of Egypts central bank.

Great choices if rumours are true



25 Jan 2011 Mubarak was President Morsi was in prison.
25 July 2012 Morsi is President Hosni Mubarak is in prison.

[MMC]

The Mafia already called. Told Morsi continue on with his Unity Government. Once they have an actual government up and running we will send an underling along to bring what we have to say. If anything!

Gamal Abdel-Gawad, a political analyst from Al-Ahram center for Political and Strategic Studies, said Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were reaching out to liberals and others only to further their short-term goal of "getting rid of the generals." In the long run, they will push for a more Islamic state and sideline liberals, he said.

The first front in Morsi's battle to wrest back power from the military will be his swearing in on Saturday. Traditionally, presidents take the oath of office at parliament, but the Muslim Brotherhood-dominated parliament was dissolved by the ruling military council. The alternative would be to take the oath before the Constitutional Court, which is packed with judges appointed in the Mubarak era.

The venue will be a signal to revolutionaries whether their new president is willing to defy the powerful generals.

The Muslim Brotherhood and another Islamist group, the ultraconservative Salafis, won more than 70 percent of parliament in a free election earlier this year. The parliament, according to Egypt's interim constitution, is tasked with forming a panel to write the constitution. Twice, liberals walked away from panels formed by the Islamist-controlled parliament, voicing fears that Egypt's new constitution would end up more Islamic.....snip~

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2012/06/26/new-egypt-president-moves-toward-unity-government?page=2

http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/13218/FE_PR_080923associatedpress120x31.jpg <<<<< June 26, 2012.


This is the way Gamel Abdel-Gawad is calling it. The MB pressed yesterday for the reinstatement of the Parliament in which the Salafis with the MB had won 70%.

As you recall just a few days ago. The Salafis made an attack on Israel's southern border. Which was reported by the Israelis and the Egyptian Military.,

[URF8]

*That's why it seems likely that Egypt will buy from Russia, once it rids itself of its corrupted military leadership. * Once again, overriding concerns for Israel will damage the US, I predict .*

How good is Russian equipment? Has it been battle tested?

[Sultan]

A Palestinian man from the Gaza strip named his newborn son Mohamed Morsy. The baby was born on the same day that the Muslim Brotherhood’s Mohamed Morsy was declared winner of Egypt’s presidential election.

Young Morsy’s 27-year-old father Ahmed al-Dairi said he named his son after Egypt’s president-elect as an expression of his joy at his success in the presidential election. He pointed out that Palestinians both love and respect the new Egyptian president. Dairi told Al-Masry Al-Youm, “My wife and I agreed to name our newborn Mohamed Morsy in celebration of his victory, and the victory of the Freedom and Justice Party which represents the Muslim Brotherhood.”

Dairi, who graduated today from the Department of Journalism and Media in Gaza, said, “My wife was admitted to the hospital prior to the results announcement, and Morsy was declared the winner as she gave birth.”

[moon]

How good is Russian equipment? Has it been battle tested?

They're waiting for some redneck to get uppitty.*

http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/military-vehicles-move-along-red-square-in-moscow-during-the-victory-day-parade-may-9-2009.jpg

[Sultan]

"I haven't responded yet to Hilary Clintons request to meet me yet' says Morsi

I was wondering why Air Force 2 hadn't landed in Terminal 3 yet.

She wanted to come on Saturday but he changed to mid July



:clock:

http://onaeg.com/?p=178927

[Sultan]

Reminder

The Family - Exodus part 2 Mubarak series

is on tonight on Al Jazeera at 2000 GMT

[Sultan]

Egypt summons Emirati ambassador to Cairo over Dubai Chief of Police comment about Dr Morsi.

Twitter tweet Ironically some of Shafik's supporters who are now cheering for @Dhahi_Khalfan (https://twitter.com/#!/Dhahi_Khalfan) can not stomach Arabs , feel insulted to be called Arab

https://twitter.com/#!/Dhahi_Khalfan

[MMC]

How good is Russian equipment? Has it been battle tested?


Well you saw what happens to Russian tanks with Iraq and Libya. Can't even get in range. Which Libya's was the Newer model. Course their Navy can't compete nor can they compete with Airpower. They have one limited in Numbers (Fighter) that can match up and thats the SU 35.

But they do make the best assault rifle in the world with the AK. Not that Small arms fire and some fighters can win a war.

But they do have Nukes. :wink:

[MMC]

They're waiting for some redneck to get uppitty.*

http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/military-vehicles-move-along-red-square-in-moscow-during-the-victory-day-parade-may-9-2009.jpg

Thats why the Pawns go first.....Due to them being Trigger-Happy! :wink:

[Sultan]

Al Ansar
SCAF spokesperson speaking on CBC Channel last night.

"Dr Morsi will have full presidential powers when he takes office"

"Dr Morsi is the one who will decide where he wants to take the oath" "we prefer he take it at the Supreme Constitutional Court but it is his decision and that of his staff and advisors"

[Sultan]

Big storm brewing now in UAE since Shafik fled there yesterday.

Seems that Mubaraks man is conducting his dumb supporters from his new HQ in Dubai!

Morsi should issue arrest warrant now on those 35 corruption charges and get him into Tora with the rest of the mafia

[Sultan]

UAE activists now calling for the dismissal of Dubai police chief for insulting Egypt.

[Sultan]

Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum time to make a statement I think !

http://www.popularpeople.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Mohammed_bi_-Rashid_Al_Maktoum_01.jpg

[moon]

Big storm brewing now in UAE since Shafik fled there yesterday.

Seems that Mubaraks man is conducting his dumb supporters from his new HQ in Dubai!

Morsi should issue arrest warrant now on those 35 corruption charges and get him into Tora with the rest of the mafia

*The UAE, along with Bahrain and Qatar, is a hotbed of collaborators, it seems. *They will be breeding insurrectionists and directing them towards Egypt.*

[URF8]

They're waiting for some redneck to get uppitty.*

http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/military-vehicles-move-along-red-square-in-moscow-during-the-victory-day-parade-may-9-2009.jpg

Do you think the Russians will sell their weapons to the Marmosets of Egypt?

[roadmaster]

Al Ansar
SCAF spokesperson speaking on CBC Channel last night.

"Dr Morsi will have full presidential powers when he takes office"

"Dr Morsi is the one who will decide where he wants to take the oath" "we prefer he take it at the Supreme Constitutional Court but it is his decision and that of his staff and advisors"

And he will be watched closely by the Egyptians. He has already announced that women would be able to work outside the home without a headscarf and the MPs would no longer have a voice trying to lower the age of women to 12 allowing the practice of female genital mutilation to continue. Let see if he keeps his promises.

[MMC]

And he will be watched closely by the Egyptians. He has already announced that women would be able to work outside the home without a headscarf and the MPs would no longer have a voice trying to lower the age of women to 12 allowing the practice of female genital mutilation to continue. Let see if he keeps his promises.


http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/177/2012/06/25/114100_600.jpg

Gamal Abdel-Gawad, a political analyst from Al-Ahram center for Political and Strategic Studies, said Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were reaching out to liberals and others only to further their short-term goal of "getting rid of the generals." In the long run, they will push for a more Islamic state and sideline liberals, he said.

The first front in Morsi's battle to wrest back power from the military will be his swearing in on Saturday. Traditionally, presidents take the oath of office at parliament, but the Muslim Brotherhood-dominated parliament was dissolved by the ruling military council. The alternative would be to take the oath before the Constitutional Court, which is packed with judges appointed in the Mubarak era.

The venue will be a signal to revolutionaries whether their new president is willing to defy the powerful generals.

The Muslim Brotherhood and another Islamist group, the ultraconservative Salafis, won more than 70 percent of parliament in a free election earlier this year. The parliament, according to Egypt's interim constitution, is tasked with forming a panel to write the constitution. Twice, liberals walked away from panels formed by the Islamist-controlled parliament, voicing fears that Egypt's new constitution would end up more Islamic.....snip~

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/art...ernment?page=2 (http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2012/06/26/new-egypt-president-moves-toward-unity-government?page=2)

http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/13218/FE_PR_080923associatedpress120x31.jpg <<<<< June 26, 2012.


Hope you saw that RM. :undecided:

[roadmaster]

Yes, it will end up more Islamic. He did this to get votes. Wait when reality sets in.

[Peter1469]

I had two guys working in my condo today. One from Jordan, and one from Morocco. They were not happy with the election in Egypt.

[Goldie Locks]

So moon and sultan, what would you like to see happen to Israel???

[moon]

So moon and sultan, what would you like to see happen to Israel???

Israel/Palestine should become One State under a democracy- *as should have happened in 1947 but for British mishandling. *A new name , Semitia, has even been suggested for the single State which would be a homeland for both jews and Palestinians. The name reflects the fact that both jews and Palestinians are Semitic people. * Zionism would, of course, disappear but who would regret the loss of a brutal doctrine of ethnic cleansing ? * Zionists ? * Their days are numbered anyway.*

[Sultan]

I had two guys working in my condo today. One from Jordan, and one from Morocco. They were not happy with the election in Egypt.

did they say why?

are they royalists?

[Sultan]

So moon and sultan, what would you like to see happen to Israel???

I would like the name Israel wiped off all maps and returned to Palestine.

The people living there would all be given elections and the entire population including the refugees inside and outside would vote on their own government and leader.
That government would then rule the majority of the people after being elected by the people.

That's the first step towards democracy.
Because isn't that what the West is always preaching and spreading........

The right for the people to choose.


Anyone in the minority, the zionists etc who doesn't favour democracy can leave and move to the USA or some uninhabited island out in the Pacific as far away from us as possible where the Americans can set up another colony of zionist fanatics closer to them and aid and support it and send it billions each year.
They can also take with them their nuclear arsenal and leave the ME free from that horror also.

An island would be the better option for many reasons because for sure I doubt many Americans would be happy to host Netahnayu and his fanatics but being an island also they would not have to steal anyone water any more.
They could get Americans to reach in their pockets and pay for desalination plants for them too.


ME problem solved and another democratic state rises in the ME by the will of the people.

[Sultan]

Morsi raises pensions to poor and raises Government workers salaries one of the demands of the revolution for social justice with much more to be done.

Morsi gets army to distribute food packages to the poor in Dakalia governerate.

http://www.egyptindependent.com//sites/default/files/imagecache/highslide_zoom/photo/2012/07/02/26837/military_hands_out_food_in_daqahlia_ahead_of_ramad an.jpg


http://www.almasryalyoum.com/sites/default/files/photo/2012/07/01/4886/albaz2d274.jpg
Cleaning teams very active around Cairo another of his 64 pledges.

Dredgers seen yesterday cleaning Nile around Zamalek.

None of these things done under Mubarak!

Stock market continues to rise under Morsi.

[Sultan]

Morsi is a breath of clean oxygen after the rotten smell of Mubarak.

I never was a supporter of him or the MB but from the last 2 weeks Egypt is a different country.

We never knew how much damage, the real extent, that Mubarak regime really did till now.

God protect Morsi from Mossad and any other fanatics with bullets for brains!

No bullet proof vest for this president he said.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQi9BDKdjbUcxjnccEVmIZE6G237zZ0d iMh9NX7txc4efIcOLP0WA&t=1

[Goldie Locks]

It would be suicide for Israeli Jews to have a one state solution. The Israelis know this, maybe the Palestinians should stop treating the attempted murder of Jews as a national sport. If they did so, they would have their own state in short order. There are too many Arabs that hate Jews, they teach it in their schools. There is the hadith to kill the Jew behind the rock or tree. It's the Muslims destiny to kill the Jews. Palestinians have repeatedly pasted up situations that could lead to peace. Plus the fact that there are no stable, peaceful democratic Muslim countries.





The Arab spring has done nothing but given power to Islamists. The one state solution would be suicide for Israel...of course I'm sure that is what Arab countries want.

[Sultan]

Supreme Constitutional Court where Dr Mohammed Morsi took the Presidential oath of office just across the road from the Hospital where the old dictator now lies in his coma.

A day in history many Egyptians never thought they would witness.

Allah protect Dr Morsi.
President Morsi



http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/8106_10151876775675626_1366645815_n.jpg

[Goldie Locks]

The Palestinians could have had a state in peace many times, but choose war instead.
They could have had a state in peace in 1937 with the Peel plan, but rejected it.
They could have had a state in peace in 1939 with the McDonald white paper, but they violently rejected that too.
They could have had a state in peace in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected that.
They could have had a state in peace in Judah, Sumaria and Gaza from 1948-1967, but they violently rejected that. In fact that is when the Fatah was established and the PLO.
They could have had a state of peace in 1967, but instead the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions.
No peace with Israel, No recognition of Israel, No negotiations with Israel.
They could have had a state of peace in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it as usual.
And as soon as Israel pulled out of Gaza, what did the Palestinians do??? They started firing thousands of missiles into Israel and elected Hamas.
Even after all of this, Ehud Olmert made a generous offer that went beyond that of Barak...they rejected it.
They had many chances and threw them all away because killing Jews was a higher priority than peace.

[moon]

The Palestinians could have had a state in peace many times, but choose war instead.
They could have had a state in peace in 1937 with the Peel plan, but rejected it.
They could have had a state in peace in 1939 with the McDonald white paper, but they violently rejected that too.
They could have had a state in peace in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected that.
They could have had a state in peace in Judah, Sumaria and Gaza from 1948-1967, but they violently rejected that. In fact that is when the Fatah was established and the PLO.
They could have had a state of peace in 1967, but instead the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions.
No peace with Israel, No recognition of Israel, No negotiations with Israel.
They could have had a state of peace in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it as usual.
And as soon as Israel pulled out of Gaza, what did the Palestinians do??? They started firing thousands of missiles into Israel and elected Hamas.
Even after all of this, Ehud Olmert made a generous offer that went beyond that of Barak...they rejected it.
They had many chances and threw them all away because killing Jews was a higher priority than peace.

A compilation of deceitful nonsense. *Where did you copy this crap from ?*

The Palestinians already had their own country before the Zionists arrived from Europe.

[Sultan]

It would be suicide for Israeli Jews to have a one state solution.
How come?
There are Jews all over the world. How is it suicide for them?





maybe the Palestinians should stop treating the attempted murder of Jews as a national sport.
attempted murder......national sport.......really?






If they did so, they would have their own state in short order.

good joke




There are too many Arabs that hate Jews, they teach it in their schools.

No idea what Arab Chriatians teach in the schools, but Muslims arabs are taught the history of the Jews and bible and that they are able to marry Jews so explain how that can be then.





There is the hadith to kill the Jew behind the rock or tree.

which tree and which rock was that?




It's the Muslims destiny to kill the Jews.
says who exactly? Muslims can marry Jews so no idea where you get this nonsense from because it's certainly not the Quran.



Palestinians have repeatedly pasted up situations that could lead to peace.

A good read of Palestine papers will help you out



Plus the fact that there are no stable, peaceful democratic Muslim countries.

Really....... name them







The Arab spring has done nothing but given power to Islamists.

so?

[Peter1469]

A compilation of deceitful nonsense. *Where did you copy this crap from ?*

The Palestinians already had their own country before the Zionists arrived from Europe.

The land that became the British Mandate was seized from the Ottoman Empire when it collapsed in 1918. There was no national identity to speak of.

[moon]

Cool, I thought;

http://www.juancole.com/2012/07/top-five-things-morsi-has-to-do-if-egypt-is-to-succeed.html

http://www.juancole.com/images/2012/07/egyptian-authority-chart1.jpg

[moon]

The land that became the British Mandate was seized from the Ottoman Empire when it collapsed in 1918. There was no national identity to speak of.

Well, that ought to give Palestinians a good laugh.*

[Peter1469]

Well, that ought to give Palestinians a good laugh.*


Is shouldn't. Palestine is the historic name of a territory, not a people. It has been inhabited by dozens of different peoples over the last 2500 years. The current "Palestinians" have no relation to those earlier peoples.

[moon]

That's simply untrue. *Genetic profiling establishes that Semitic people- *taking the term beyond the merely linguistic- * have occupied the region since the Palaeolithic. *

*You might also bear in mind that ' American ' only recently applies loosely to the white immigrants and their imported slaves.* *When people speak of the historic term ' America ' *, its indigenous people spring to mind. *

[Sultan]

Cool, I thought;

http://www.juancole.com/2012/07/top-five-things-morsi-has-to-do-if-egypt-is-to-succeed.html

http://www.juancole.com/images/2012/07/egyptian-authority-chart1.jpg



I adjusted it. :smiley:





http://i46.tinypic.com/j0k9cn.jpg

[MMC]

Is shouldn't. Palestine is the historic name of a territory, not a people. It has been inhabited by dozens of different peoples over the last 2500 years. The current "Palestinians" have no relation to those earlier peoples.

Do you think the Sumerians might have something to say about that Pete? What about the Ubaidians? Course then there were those Sea People that they can't quite figure out where they came from.

Do you think they became confused when they changed the terminology from Trans-Jordainian?

[Peter1469]

That's simply untrue. *Genetic profiling establishes that Semitic people- *taking the term beyond the merely linguistic- * have occupied the region since the Palaeolithic. *

*You might also bear in mind that ' American ' only recently applies loosely to the white immigrants and their imported slaves.* *When people speak of the historic term ' America ' *, its indigenous people spring to mind. *

Way to move the goal posts. I agree that Semitic people have lived in the land known as Palestine for thousands of years. Just the concept of a Palestinian nation never existed until after 1948.

[Peter1469]

Do you think the Sumerians might have something to say about that Pete? What about the Ubaidians? Course then there were those Sea People that they can't quite figure out where they came from.

Do you think they became confused when they changed the terminology from Trans-Jordainian?

They likely have relations with lots of different Semitic people. My main point is that the concept of Palestinian nationhood is a very new "concept."

[moon]

They likely have relations with lots of different Semitic people. My main point is that the concept of Palestinian nationhood is a very new "concept."

*It became a lot more important to state the obvious when the Zionists began their ethnic cleansing program. *

[Peter1469]

*It became a lot more important to state the obvious when the Zionists began their ethnic cleansing program. *

But it isn't obvious. There was no national identity of a "Palestinian people". That part of the Middle East is also called the Levant. Yet no group of people claim to be Levantians.

[moon]

You are asking indigenous people to categorize themselves according to the values, political boundaries and whim of invaders ? * *No, I don't believe they are required to conform to the yardsticks of colonialism. * *They already know who they are and what is what.*

[Peter1469]

You are asking indigenous people to categorize themselves according to the values, political boundaries and whim of invaders ? * *No, I don't believe they are required to conform to the yardsticks of colonialism. * *They already know who they are and what is what.*

No I am not. I am using commonly accepted definitions of what a nation is. "Palestinians" as a people, is a political tool. Nothing more.

[moon]

No I am not. I am using commonly accepted definitions of what a nation is. "Palestinians" as a people, is a political tool. Nothing more.

I advise you to revisit a definition of ' nation ' *The Palestinians certainly fit it.*

[Peter1469]

I advise you to revisit a definition of ' nation ' *The Palestinians certainly fit it.*

Do they?

I guess you might be able to make an argument that they do today. But you can't make the argument that this disparate group of people were a nation prior to 1948 and certainly not 3000 years ago.

Let me give you an example:

"Kurdistan" is a nation without a state.
Afghanistan is a state without a nation.

[moon]

We're speaking of nations, not States. * *Palestinians certainly formed a nation during the 20th c. *The British were well aware of the nature of the subjects of their Mandate. *

[wingrider]

you know I am just sitting here totally in dimay at the plight of the palestinians.. wait.. no I am not..

[MMC]

They likely have relations with lots of different Semitic people. My main point is that the concept of Palestinian nationhood is a very new "concept."


Well my point was.....that they weren't Semitic. Neither the Sumerians Nor the Ubaidians. So truthfully.....the Land belongs to those two groups of people. All others coming afterwards should actually STFU.....when it comes to saying the land is theirs.

[moon]

you know I am just sitting here totally in dimay at the plight of the palestinians.. wait.. no I am not..

They're all on tenterhooks waiting for you to come round. *No, wait............................