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Howey
02-25-2015, 05:52 PM
How sad (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/23/3626093/nra-sandy-hook/).


In the wake of the shooting of 20 children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December 2012, the National Rifle Association quickly began combating calls for stricter gun laws by working to convince Americans that gun control measures would have supposedly disastrous effects...The efforts worked — not only was federal background check legislation defeated, but gun sales increased and the NRA’s revenue increased by almost $100 million.

According to recently released financial documents, the NRA grossed almost $348 million in revenue in 2013, up close to $92 million from the group’s 2012 revenue of $256 million. In the first year following one of the deadliest shootings in U.S. history, the organization’s contributions and grants increased by $10 million and program service revenue shot up by $68 million from the year prior.

While raking in an additional $91 million, the group only increased its spending on lobbying by $10 million. The organization also paid its public relations agency $14.5 million as they dealt with reputational damage control following Newtown.

In the first 18 days after the shooting, the NRA gained more than 100,000 new members. Firearms sales also soared in the weeks after the shooting. In the first year, the manufacturer of the firearm used by Adam Lanza in Newtown said its sales rose as much as 36 percent.

Mr. Right
02-25-2015, 06:09 PM
What's really sad is the attempt to use the tragic and needless deaths of around 30 people to gut the Constitutional Rights of U.S. Citizens.

Howey
02-25-2015, 06:13 PM
What's really sad is the attempt to use the tragic and needless deaths of around 30 people to gut the Constitutional Rights of U.S. Citizens.

Nobody wants to take away your guns.

TrueBlue
02-25-2015, 06:13 PM
How sad (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/23/3626093/nra-sandy-hook/).
Yes. It is very sad. Children should never be used as pawns that trigger any agenda-driven opportunities. Any child who loses his or her life should be seen as a tragedy.

birddog
02-25-2015, 06:14 PM
The NRA is great. They need money to fight idiots and protect our Second Amendment rights!

birddog
02-25-2015, 06:15 PM
Nobody wants to take away your guns.

You and the truth are far apart here!

Safety
02-25-2015, 06:17 PM
The NRA is great. They need money to fight idiots and protect our Second Amendment rights!

Thank you, your check is in the mail.

-NRA

Blackrook
02-25-2015, 06:26 PM
Howey, the fact that you are starting this thread is proof that you and your fellow liberals want to take away guns from the American people.

If you stop trying to take away our guns, maybe we'll stop needing the NRA to protect us.

So it's all driven by your side.

Ravens Fan
02-25-2015, 06:28 PM
Yes. It is very sad. Children should never be used as pawns that trigger any agenda-driven opportunities. Any child who loses his or her life should be seen as a tragedy.

I agree completely... but this applies to both sides of the argument.

Howey
02-25-2015, 06:33 PM
Howey, the fact that you are starting this thread is proof that you and your fellow liberals want to take away guns from the American people.

If you stop trying to take away our guns, maybe we'll stop needing the NRA to protect us.

So it's all driven by your side.

Nobody's trying to take away your guns.

Private Pickle
02-25-2015, 06:34 PM
Nobody wants to take away your guns.

Just certain ones right. :wink:

hanger4
02-25-2015, 06:44 PM
And the left/Dems neeeeeeever use tragedies to raise moneys:

http://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=democrats+raise+off+sandy+hook&btnG=Search

Geebus Howey just how hypocritical can you be ??

Mister D
02-25-2015, 06:46 PM
Nobody's trying to take away your guns.

Right. The constant demonizing of the NRA is to...oh wait lol

Mister D
02-25-2015, 06:47 PM
Hey, this is political suicide. Please, come for my guns.

Mac-7
02-25-2015, 06:47 PM
How sad (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/23/3626093/nra-sandy-hook/).

Its the wacko gun grabbing libs that scared the public and caused the surge in NRA membership and income.

Mr. Right
02-25-2015, 06:51 PM
^^^^
Aurora theater, Gabby Giffords, and Sandy Hook all caused a flurry of activity on the part of the gun grabbers. Now they're after the ammo.

TrueBlue
02-25-2015, 06:59 PM
And the left/Dems neeeeeeever use tragedies to raise moneys:

http://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=democrats+raise+off+sandy+hook&btnG=Search

Geebus @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387) just how hypocritical can you be ??
After what was reported here recently about a Google Search and the problem Howey had with that and something bad that interfered with his computer system, I would be hard-pressed to click on that link.

However, if you are pointing to past concerns about the other side. Those have thus been brought out about the other side. This is, however, a New concern that should be fully aired out for parity.

Mr. Right
02-25-2015, 07:04 PM
TrueBlue, I trust my Panda protection.... so, here's what Hanger4 was referencing.
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TrueBlue
02-25-2015, 07:23 PM
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308), I trust my Panda protection.... so, here's what Hanger4 was referencing.
Mr. Right And like I said, that is already at Google. Now this report needs to be added about the Conservative side for parity also don't you agree? Guess we need to bring out more about Conservatives too at this point.

Redrose
02-25-2015, 07:26 PM
Nobody's trying to take away your guns.


That is not accurate.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi“[Gun control] a matter of time. It might be inconceivable to the NRA that this might happen; it’s inevitable to us.”

Hal Jordan
02-25-2015, 07:37 PM
After what was reported here recently about a Google Search and the problem Howey had with that and something bad that interfered with his computer system, I would be hard-pressed to click on that link.

However, if you are pointing to past concerns about the other side. Those have thus been brought out about the other side. This is, however, a New concern that should be fully aired out for parity.

If you think NRA donations going up around the time of a gun control debate is anything new, you need a course on how such organizations work. When there is a major gun control debate, contributions for both sides of the debate are going to go up.

Mister D
02-25-2015, 07:41 PM
The anti-gun crowd is particularly shameless.

hanger4
02-25-2015, 07:44 PM
Mr. Right And like I said, that is already at Google. Now this report needs to be added about the Conservative side for parity also don't you agree? Guess we need to bring out more about Conservatives too at this point.
I gave the the parity TrueBlue Howey's OP was one sided. Yes both sides do it, always have. If the OP was condemning the use of tragedies to raise moneys fine, but it only condemed the NRA and by posting only oneside Howey showed his hypocrisy.

Mr. Right
02-25-2015, 08:00 PM
@Mr. Right (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=984) And like I said, that is already at Google. Now this report needs to be added about the Conservative side for parity also don't you agree? Guess we need to bring out more about Conservatives too at this point.

I'm not certain about what you're asking, but I'm yet to see "The Armed Citizen", a segment in the NRA magazine that uses news reports and citizen accounts of crimes foiled by armed homeowners/citizens publicized outside of the NRA publications. If it helps you understand our position in gun control, we contend that zero crimes are committed by armed law abiding citizens. Why are our weapons always at the top of the liberal wishlist?

Howey
02-25-2015, 08:39 PM
And the left/Dems neeeeeeever use tragedies to raise moneys:

http://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=democrats+raise+off+sandy+hook&btnG=Search

Geebus Howey just how hypocritical can you be ??

Lol. Look at those sources!

Is there Anyone LEFT AT TPNN?

TrueBlue
02-25-2015, 08:42 PM
I'm not certain about what you're asking, but I'm yet to see "The Armed Citizen", a segment in the NRA magazine that uses news reports and citizen accounts of crimes foiled by armed homeowners/citizens publicized outside of the NRA publications. If it helps you understand our position in gun control, we contend that zero crimes are committed by armed law abiding citizens. Why are our weapons always at the top of the liberal wishlist?
Perhaps this next great article will put things into better perspective in answer to your question. It gives a great rundown of what has happened within your party with regard to this issue.

It behooves you to read the full story. It has very good background information!

How the NRA hijacked the Republican Party

http://blogs.reuters.com/nicholas-wapshott/2013/01/18/how-the-nra-hijacked-the-republican-party/


"In the mid-Seventies, the NRA switched from being a moderate organization backing moderate gun controls into a radical body that promulgated an absolutist interpretation of the Second Amendment with a new motto: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”


=========================================
But the above is just the beginning of what you need to read!

Howey
02-25-2015, 08:43 PM
That is not accurate.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi“[Gun control] a matter of time. It might be inconceivable to the NRA that this might happen; it’s inevitable to us.”

That's gun control. She said nothing about taking away your guns. To be honest, Dianne Feinstein did. But that's one person.

Howey
02-25-2015, 08:46 PM
I gave the the parity TrueBlue Howey's OP was one sided. Yes both sides do it, always have. If the OP was condemning the use of tragedies to raise moneys fine, but it only condemed the NRA and by posting only oneside Howey showed his hypocrisy.

Not at all. Raising money to prevent unnecessary slaughter of children at the hands of deranged people is far different than raising money to keep guns in the hands of deranged people.

Captain Obvious
02-25-2015, 10:52 PM
thinkprogress...

:biglaugh:

The line between amateur political topics and political hackery is very thick.

hanger4
02-25-2015, 10:58 PM
Lol. Look at those sources!

Is there Anyone LEFT AT TPNN?

Are you denying the left and Dems raise money off tragedies ??

Or are you deflecting and distracting ??

Ravens Fan
02-25-2015, 11:01 PM
Not at all. Raising money to prevent unnecessary slaughter of children at the hands of deranged people is far different than raising money to keep guns in the hands of deranged people.

The problem with that, is that the money raised is doing nothing to prevent such a tragedy from occurring again. It has been used to lobby for taking guns away from law abiding citizens. If the money was being used towards mental health solutions, then your argument would be a whole lot stronger. Instead of going after the cause, you go after the symptom.

So, innocent citizens are blamed and threatened with their constitutional rights being taken away, so they support the organization that will fight for them.

hanger4
02-25-2015, 11:02 PM
Not at all. Raising money to prevent unnecessary slaughter of children at the hands of deranged people is far different than raising money to keep guns in the hands of deranged people.

If you honestly believe the NRA is trying to keep guns in the hands of

deranged people then your knowledge of the NRA is woefully pedestrian.

domer76
02-25-2015, 11:25 PM
Its the wacko gun grabbing libs that scared the public and caused the surge in NRA membership and income.

No, the only people that were scared were the idiot, knee jerk, barrel strokers. Have you forgotten the frenzy when Obama was elected? You guys paid out the nose for your ammo and popguns. What a bunch of goofy lemmings!

domer76
02-25-2015, 11:28 PM
I'm not certain about what you're asking, but I'm yet to see "The Armed Citizen", a segment in the NRA magazine that uses news reports and citizen accounts of crimes foiled by armed homeowners/citizens publicized outside of the NRA publications. If it helps you understand our position in gun control, we contend that zero crimes are committed by armed law abiding citizens. Why are our weapons always at the top of the liberal wishlist?

Pretty stupid statement. No crimes committed by law abiding citizens. Well, duh!

Captain Obvious
02-25-2015, 11:28 PM
Clearly the topic point here is guns.

Not the root cause.

Howey
02-25-2015, 11:49 PM
The problem with that, is that the money raised is doing nothing to prevent such a tragedy from occurring again. It has been used to lobby for taking guns away from law abiding citizens. If the money was being used towards mental health solutions, then your argument would be a whole lot stronger. Instead of going after the cause, you go after the symptom.

So, innocent citizens are blamed and threatened with their constitutional rights being taken away, so they support the organization that will fight for them.

The money is used to lobby for stricter gun control, which includes expanded background checks to identify the mentally ill.

Mac-7
02-25-2015, 11:50 PM
No, the only people that were scared were the idiot, knee jerk, barrel strokers. Have you forgotten the frenzy when Obama was elected? You guys paid out the nose for your ammo and popguns. What a bunch of goofy lemmings!

The run on guns and ammo came a couple of years later.

If obumer could think of a way to take the guns he would.

But it looks like that mission will go unaccomplished for him.

Howey
02-25-2015, 11:52 PM
If you honestly believe the NRA is trying to keep guns in the hands of

deranged people then your knowledge of the NRA is woefully pedestrian.

No, the NRA is fighting all gun control legislation, including that to keep guns away from the mentally ill.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140411/nra-opposes-administrations-plan-to-broaden-reach-of-mental-health-related-gun-bans

Ravens Fan
02-25-2015, 11:59 PM
The money is used to lobby for stricter gun control, which includes expanded background checks to identify the mentally ill.

That's great, but the guy who did Sandy Hook didn't purchase the guns he used. The Columbine kids didn't either. Tim McVeigh didn't even use guns. There is a much deeper root to these killing sprees than just automatic weapons, and more gun control is not the answer. I have no problem with background checks, they work already for what they were intended for. But even the strictest of gun control laws will not stop this from happening.

Safety
02-26-2015, 12:02 AM
The run on guns and ammo came a couple of years later.

If obumer could think of a way to take the guns he would.

But it looks like that mission will go unaccomplished for him.

The election of Obama single handedly was the .com bubble for gun store owners and manufacturers.

silvereyes
02-26-2015, 12:11 AM
Howey, the fact that you are starting this thread is proof that you and your fellow liberals want to take away guns from the American people.

If you stop trying to take away our guns, maybe we'll stop needing the NRA to protect us.

So it's all driven by your side.
Paranoid much?

silvereyes
02-26-2015, 12:14 AM
The election of Obama single handedly was the .com bubble for gun store owners and manufacturers.
Nevermind the increase in numbers in hate groups.

silvereyes
02-26-2015, 12:17 AM
The anti-gun crowd is particularly shameless.
The gun crowd that believes that is clueless.

silvereyes
02-26-2015, 12:20 AM
thinkprogress...

:biglaugh:

The line between amateur political topics and political hackery is very thick.

Like your head? :)

birddog
02-26-2015, 12:29 AM
No, the NRA is fighting all gun control legislation, including that to keep guns away from the mentally ill.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140411/nra-opposes-administrations-plan-to-broaden-reach-of-mental-health-related-gun-bans

That is taken out of context. The NRA has been in favor of keeping guns from dangerous people for years, and calls for the shrinks to be more cooperative.

Howey
02-26-2015, 03:10 AM
That is taken out of context. The NRA has been in favor of keeping guns from dangerous people for years, and calls for the shrinks to be more cooperative.

I don't know how a news release from the NRA entitled :




NRA Opposes Administration's Plan to Broaden Reach of Mental Health-Related Gun Bans

Could be taken out of context.

Reason10
02-26-2015, 04:17 AM
How sad (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/23/3626093/nra-sandy-hook/).

Nothing sad about people VOLUNTEERING to join a PRO-CONSTITUTION organization.

Howey
02-26-2015, 04:48 AM
Nothing sad about people VOLUNTEERING to join a PRO-CONSTITUTION organization.

lol. The NRA doesn't give a hoot about the Constitution. They care about making money. Lots of money.

PolWatch
02-26-2015, 06:52 AM
The only lobbyist group that gets paid by the public and the product they represent:

In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence.

While that is still part of the organization's core function, today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues.
The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom (http://home.nra.org/pdf/CORP_BROCHURE_FINAL.pdf) sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target (http://www.businessinsider.com/blackboard/target) Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1#ixzz3SqpVbz00

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 07:32 AM
No, the NRA is fighting all gun control legislation, including that to keep guns away from the mentally ill.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140411/nra-opposes-administrations-plan-to-broaden-reach-of-mental-health-related-gun-bans
From your link:
NRA shares the goal of keeping firearms out of dangerous hands. Its comment notes, however, that existing federal law on this issue casts a wide, undifferentiated net that snares masses of mostly harmless individuals with a much smaller group that may present an increased risk of violence. The comment cites numerous sources that express the nearly universal opinion of mental health professionals that mental illness is not highly correlated with, predictive of, or frequently causally related to violence. It also cites reports from mental health professionals, the FBI, and the Secret Service that acknowledge the futility of creating an accurate "profile" of persons who have no history of violence but present a risk of future harm.

NRA's comment additionally underscores the importance of the rights affected by these lifetime prohibitions, the wide range of state and federal procedures that potentially trigger them, and the difficulty (or outright impossibility) of prohibited persons achieving restoration of rights, even after full recovery.


The problem, as noted in the article, is the typical stance of Federal overreach in Democrat anti-gun legislation. It turns Blackstone's Formula on its head by seeking to legislate denying 10 Americans their Constitutional rights because one of them might be dangerous.


Nobody wants to take away your guns.
http://www.politifact.com/obama-like-health-care-keep/

“If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 07:38 AM
The NRA is great. They need money to fight idiots and protect our Second Amendment rights!
Agreed. I was, and still am, annoyed by how much the NRA spends on soliciting funds, but after the Democrats made such a hoopla to reenact the Clinton gun ban after Sandy Hook, I renewed my membership for two years. A year later, I took advantage of a special deal and renewed it for five years. I would have done the "Lifetime membership" route, but after doing the math, it was cheaper to go for five at a time at regular prices for 15 years.


That is taken out of context. The NRA has been in favor of keeping guns from dangerous people for years, and calls for the shrinks to be more cooperative.Agreed, but the anti-gun mob won't admit the real reasons the NRA membership were against the legislation.

Mr. Right
02-26-2015, 08:15 AM
Pretty stupid statement. No crimes committed by law abiding citizens. Well, duh!

The NRA doesn't advocate guns for criminals or crime. Why is it always the law abiding citizen targeted? As for stupid statements, name one crime committed by same.

hanger4
02-26-2015, 08:38 AM
I don't know how a news release from the NRA entitled :

NRA Opposes Administration's Plan to Broaden Reach of Mental Health-Related Gun Bans

Could be taken out of context.
Howey you didn't take it out of context. Your partisan blindness clouded your reading comprehension skills. The NRA opposed the PLAN not the intent of the legis. Just as you would prob. oppose a Repub PLAN to spur job growth, but not the intent.

domer76
02-26-2015, 09:06 AM
The run on guns and ammo came a couple of years later.

If obumer could think of a way to take the guns he would.

But it looks like that mission will go unaccomplished for him.

Another unfounded "if/would" statement of suppositional garbage. You have no idea, as usual, but you'll toss your fallacy out as fact.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 09:10 AM
Another unfounded "if/would" statement of suppositional garbage. You have no idea, as usual, but you'll toss your fallacy out as fact.
Disagreed. Diane Fienstein is the only Democrat who is honest enough to admit the common anti-gun agenda:

http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/09/mrmrsamerica.jpg

domer76
02-26-2015, 09:13 AM
The NRA doesn't advocate guns for criminals or crime. Why is it always the law abiding citizen targeted? As for stupid statements, name one crime committed by same.
Here's the hint. EVERYBODY is a law-abiding citizen until they commit a crime. So to say that no crimes are committed by law-abiding citizens is pretty self evident, isn't it?

Reason10
02-26-2015, 09:14 AM
lol. The NRA doesn't give a hoot about the Constitution. They care about making money. Lots of money.

Actually, you're referring to the Democrat Party, and other assorted RACIST, TREASONOUS organizations throughout the fruited plain.

Mr. Right
02-26-2015, 09:14 AM
Disagreed. Diane Fienstein is the only Democrat who is honest enough to admit the common anti-gun agenda:

http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/09/mrmrsamerica.jpg

Aren't we sworn to remove those who threaten the Constitution? This bat should have been gone years ago.

Reason10
02-26-2015, 09:14 AM
Here's the hint. EVERYBODY is a law-abiding citizen until they commit a crime. So to say that no crimes are committed by law-abiding citizens is pretty self evident, isn't it?

WRONG.

Someone committing a crime is not a law-abiding citizen.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 09:26 AM
WRONG.

Someone committing a crime is not a law-abiding citizen.
Agreed. However, the anti-gun mob wants to see all gun owners as criminals.

Look at how many look at Chris Kyle as a murderer who deserved what he got.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/38450-MSNBC-Reporter-%E2%80%98Racist%E2%80%99-Chris-Kyle-Went-on-%E2%80%98Killing-Sprees%E2%80%99-in-Iraq

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2015, 11:12 AM
Nobody wants to take away your guns.


Bullfarb, you do for starters. You certainly want to limit our use and ownership of them.

SoonToBe2LT
02-26-2015, 11:16 AM
Nobody wants to take away your guns.

Lol. Sorry I had to comment on this hilarious lie you just posted.

http://www.infowars.com/californians-sign-petition-to-ban-and-confiscate-firearms/

Every year people sign petitions to ban guns. As an NRA member, I see the petitions being talked about in the email news letters.

Thanks for showing your ignorance on the matter.

Tons of people petition to congress to ban firearms.

nathanbforrest45
02-26-2015, 11:16 AM
That's gun control. She said nothing about taking away your guns. To be honest, Dianne Feinstein did. But that's one person.

Talk about semantics. Can you define how "gun control" is different from taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens?

PolWatch
02-26-2015, 11:24 AM
Lol. Sorry I had to comment on this hilarious lie you just posted.

http://www.infowars.com/californians-sign-petition-to-ban-and-confiscate-firearms/

Every year people sign petitions to ban guns. As an NRA member, I see the petitions being talked about in the email news letters.

Thanks for showing your ignorance on the matter.

Tons of people petition to congress to ban firearms.

I'm sure those e-mail news letters don't ask for more $$$ to help fight against those petitions...do they?

SoonToBe2LT
02-26-2015, 11:26 AM
I'm sure those e-mail news letters don't ask for more $$$ to help fight against those petitions...do they?

No, they just highlight the liberal Democrats and provide the link to the congressional petition as proof. Google "liberals petition congress to ban guns".

Very simple to see that the person I quoted earlier is lying through the teeth.

Captain Obvious
02-26-2015, 11:28 AM
Clearly there is a significant movement in the US to ban or significantly restrict private gun ownership.

Gun ownership is one issue I'll take to the streets over, I don't have many of these kinds of issues, this is one of them.

Having said that, I don't feel the NRA represents my interests as a gun supporter and I do not in turn support the NRA. I don't oppose the NRA, I'm really indifferent and I would like to see a stronger, more responsible gun rights advocate but unfortunately there's not one.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 11:32 AM
Clearly there is a significant movement in the US to ban or significantly restrict private gun ownership.

Gun ownership is one issue I'll take to the streets over, I don't have many of these kinds of issues, this is one of them.

Having said that, I don't feel the NRA represents my interests as a gun supporter and I do not in turn support the NRA. I don't oppose the NRA, I'm really indifferent and I would like to see a stronger, more responsible gun rights advocate but unfortunately there's not one.

Agreed about those who seek to severely restrict, if not outright ban, firearms. Agreed the NRA isn't perfect, but it's the most powerful defense against those who do seek to restrict or remove our Constitutional rights.

domer76
02-26-2015, 11:45 AM
Agreed about those who seek to severely restrict, if not outright ban, firearms. Agreed the NRA isn't perfect, but it's the most powerful defense against those who do seek to restrict or remove our Constitutional rights.

The NRA has come out against smart gun technology which could reduce unauthorized, inappropriate or otherwise dangerous use of guns. So much for their stance on gun safety. They are the gun manufacturers' puppets and not much more.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 11:53 AM
The NRA has come out against smart gun technology which could reduce unauthorized, inappropriate or otherwise dangerous use of guns. So much for their stance on gun safety. They are the gun manufacturers' puppets and not much more.

Yes. As many anti-gunners on this forum have stated, in essence, "we don't want to take your guns, we just want to make it nearly impossible and very expensive for you to do so. That and ban anything that looks scary to us."

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Mac-7
02-26-2015, 01:00 PM
Nobody wants to take away your guns.

Maybe only the ammo for the guns.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-to-ban-bullets-by-executive-action-threatens-top-selling-ar-15-rifle/article/2560750

Howey
02-26-2015, 01:09 PM
Bullfarb, you do for starters. You certainly want to limit our use and ownership of them.

What I want, and others who want to ban all guns is inconsequential. That's an unrealistic goal and contrary to the Second Amendment.* As a intelligent and rational person, unlike the NRA and those who want no control over guns, I understand that compromise is a necessary solution. Unfortunately the NRA and republicans don't want to compromise.


Yes. As many anti-gunners on this forum have stated, in essence, "we don't want to take your guns, we just want to make it nearly impossible and very expensive for you to do so. That and ban anything that looks scary to us."

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2me3coz.jpg

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This whole bullsh*t about cars is inane. Neither guns nor cars kill people, but cars weren't designed to kill. Guns were. That is their single, sole purpose.



*For all of you constitutional literalists out there, you can have your guns. We'll issue you a musket to be stored in the local armory at night. Just like all those tri-cornered hat guys had to do.

You're welcome.

Mr. Right
02-26-2015, 01:26 PM
No thanks. I'm happy with what I have.... and I have enough.

Mister D
02-26-2015, 01:28 PM
What I want, and others who want to ban all guns is inconsequential. That's an unrealistic goal and contrary to the Second Amendment.* As a intelligent and rational person, unlike the NRA and those who want no control over guns, I understand that compromise is a necessary solution. Unfortunately the NRA and republicans don't want to compromise.




This whole bullsh*t about cars is inane. Neither guns nor cars kill people, but cars weren't designed to kill. Guns were. That is their single, sole purpose.



*For all of you constitutional literalists out there, you can have your guns. We'll issue you a musket to be stored in the local armory at night. Just like all those tri-cornered hat guys had to do.

You're welcome.

Who are those people, Howey?

Howey
02-26-2015, 01:38 PM
Poor racist still doesn't realize I'm ignoring him?

Mister D
02-26-2015, 01:39 PM
Poor racist still doesn't realize I'm ignoring him?

This is the guy ignoring me. :laugh:

Mister D
02-26-2015, 01:41 PM
C'mon Howey ... who are all these people who want no control over guns? You have no idea, do you? But I'll bet you keep talking about these people. :wink:

Bob
02-26-2015, 01:46 PM
Nobody wants to take away your guns.

Oh right. Moonshine is not whiskey either. LMAO

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 05:07 PM
Oh right. Moonshine is not whiskey either. LMAO

It's not. It tastes more like Tequila.

hanger4
02-26-2015, 05:36 PM
It's not. It tastes more like Tequila.

Depends on what it's made with.

Redrose
02-26-2015, 05:53 PM
Compromize. Liberal word for you yield to our bidding.

You could make 10,000 gun laws and regulations, and only the law abiding citizens would be affected. Criminals and nuts who wants to hurt someone will ignore all of them, as they do now.

The most dangerous place to be is a gun free zone. That's a red flag, an engraved invitation for any whaco or terrorist to strike there without fear of return fire.

When a bank robber strikes a bank, who is the first one he takes out? The guard with a weapon. They want to remove the threat, the opposition. A gun free zone was cleared of weapons by legislators. The bad guys love that.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 05:54 PM
Depends on what it's made with.
Agreed.

Howey
02-26-2015, 06:43 PM
Compromize. Liberal word for you yield to our bidding.

You could make 10,000 gun laws and regulations, and only the law abiding citizens would be affected. Criminals and nuts who wants to hurt someone will ignore all of them, as they do now.

The most dangerous place to be is a gun free zone. That's a red flag, an engraved invitation for any whaco or terrorist to strike there without fear of return fire.

When a bank robber strikes a bank, who is the first one he takes out? The guard with a weapon. They want to remove the threat, the opposition. A gun free zone was cleared of weapons by legislators. The bad guys love that.

We'll see what the refusal to compromise does in two days.

Mr. Right
02-26-2015, 07:42 PM
We'll see what the refusal to compromise does in two days.

Absolutely zero.
Most of us with any clue bought all we ever would need years ago. I've got enough reloading components to last me 25 years.

Bob
02-26-2015, 08:48 PM
It's not. It tastes more like Tequila.

Those living in VA are lucky. They can buy Tims Moonshine. First I heard of it tasting like Tequila. Made of corn on the moonshine program, they talk of it being whiskey.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 09:38 PM
Those living in VA are lucky. They can buy Tims Moonshine. First I heard of it tasting like Tequila. Made of corn on the moonshine program, they talk of it being whiskey.

All I know is from tasting what my wife's relative gave us. Clearish and tastes like tequila.

Bob
02-26-2015, 09:47 PM
All I know is from tasting what my wife's relative gave us. Clearish and tastes like tequila.

Interesting flavor.

Tequila is made from a green plant. Called Agave. Moonshine can use a lot of stuff. Tim's Moonshine discovered by me on Discovery TV uses corn.

Before i dig a hole for myself, this is what I believe is the case.

Max Rockatansky
02-26-2015, 10:20 PM
Interesting flavor.

Tequila is made from a green plant. Called Agave. Moonshine can use a lot of stuff. Tim's Moonshine discovered by me on Discovery TV uses corn.

Before i dig a hole for myself, this is what I believe is the case.

Understood. Tequila, the good stuff, is made from the Agave cactus. The best is made from the Blue Agave cactus.

All I'm saying is that the moonshine I tasted tasted like tequila. I've had Everclear and all sorts of exotic liquors. For all I know, the guy who gave it to my wife just poured tequila into it, but he was a pretty good guy so I doubt he'd lie.

Mister D
02-27-2015, 09:22 AM
Interesting flavor.

Tequila is made from a green plant. Called Agave. Moonshine can use a lot of stuff. Tim's Moonshine discovered by me on Discovery TV uses corn.

Before i dig a hole for myself, this is what I believe is the case.

Moonshine is typically made with corn although you could use rye or other grains and it would still technically be moonshine.

Bob
02-27-2015, 01:16 PM
Moonshine is typically made with corn although you could use rye or other grains and it would still technically be moonshine.

That is also my understanding.

Chris
02-27-2015, 01:21 PM
I was wondering why this flamebait thread is still kicking but I see the topic has turned spiritual.