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exotix
03-02-2015, 09:39 AM
Today



Netanyahu In Washington For Controversial Speech To Congress

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/02/390132671/netanyahu-s-speech-to-congress-is-already-controversial

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is in Washington, D.C., where he'll deliver a speech to Congress Tuesday — an event that's causing debate both in the U.S. and Israel. The leader's plans were made without consulting the White House; he will not meet with President Obama during the visit.

Netanyahu will appear Monday morning at the annual conference of AIPAC, a powerful pro-Israeli lobby, where he's expected to urge the U.S. to impose sanctions on Iran instead of making a deal over the country's nuclear ambitions.

"Normally the AIPAC conference is an opportunity for the White House to publicly support Israel and its leaders," NPR's Jackie Northam reports for Morning Edition.

"But this year, it wasn't clear it was going to send anyone.
It was only at the last minute that it was announced two administration officials would attend."

Those officials include National Security Adviser Susan Rice, who said last week that Netanyahu's speech is "destructive to the fabric of U.S.-Israeli ties."


The Israeli leader's U.S. visit comes as two important dates approach:



March 17 — Israel will hold parliament elections, in a tight campaign year.
March 31 — A deadline arrives in the U.S.-led negotiations over Iran's nuclear program.




Netanyahu was invited to address Congress by House Speaker John Boehner, in a move that didn't include Democrats.

The plan has also rankled the Obama administration because it breaks with a U.S. policy of not hosting foreign leaders who are about to face an election.

"The move has created bad blood between Netanyahu and Obama, and relations between the two countries have suffered," Jackie reports.


Here are some quotes that show where things stand:

— "According to the signs, in most of the U.S., there is support for Israel.
So I can have differences with the U.S. president, that is legitimate, so what is not legitimate about us speaking our minds ?
Especially when the majority supports us," Netanyahu said Friday, according to Jerusalem Post (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Netanyahu-Congress-speech-is-not-illegitimate-because-American-public-supports-Israel-392417).

— "We don't want to see this turned into some great political football," Secretary of State John Kerry said on ABC's Sunday program, This Week (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-kerry-benjamin-netanyahu-visit-great-political-football/story?id=29308403).

— In Israel, a group called the Commanders for Israel's Security "warned that Netanyahu's upcoming speech to Congress is a clear and present danger to the strategic alliance between the U.S. and Israel, and actually helps Iran," reports Israel'sYnet News (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4632250,00.html).

— "The more the White House criticizes Netanyahu, the more votes he gets from the right, and to a certain extent, from the center." Israeli professor Eytan Gilboa, quoted by Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-congress-netanyahu-washington-115635.html).

"More than two dozen Democratic members of Congress, in addition to GOP Rep. Walter Jones (N.C.), have publicly pledged to skip the speech," The Hill (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/234195-lawmakers-wont-miss-anything-by-skipping-netanyahus-speech) reports.

"Don't lose focus.
The bad guy is Iran," Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., told an AIPAC audience (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-02/netanyahu-gest-aipac-support-for-congressional-speech) Sunday.
"We can never allow Israel to become a political wedge issue."




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Mac-7
03-02-2015, 09:41 AM
Bibi is a great man and a true warrior unlike the chickenhawk in the White House now.

exotix
03-02-2015, 09:44 AM
Bibi is a great man and a true warrior unlike the chickenhawk in the White House now.
Except for the part that Israel would have been long annihilated if not for the U.S.

Mac-7
03-02-2015, 09:45 AM
Except for the part that Israel would have been long annihilated if not for the U.S.

That is a much longer story that predates the half American chickenhawk in the White House now.

exotix
03-02-2015, 09:46 AM
That is a much longer story that predates the chickenhawk in the White House now.
Lie.

Cigar
03-02-2015, 09:48 AM
Bibi is a great man and a true warrior unlike the chickenhawk in the White House now.

Maybe he can get a Job with you. :laugh:

BTW ... I don't see Barack Obama in Israel begging for protection from peasants.

Mac-7
03-02-2015, 09:48 AM
Lie.

Pick up any history book and you will discover that Israel was created before the half American chickenhawk was even born.

exotix
03-02-2015, 09:49 AM
Pick up any history book and you will discover that Israel was created before the half American chickenhawk was even born.
Liar.

exotix
03-02-2015, 10:04 AM
Maybe he can get a Job with you. :laugh:

BTW ... I don't see Barack Obama in Israel begging for protection from peasants.
http://smoloko.com/wp-content/uploads/bohenerZIONISTjewMEME.jpg

exotix
03-02-2015, 10:08 AM
Happening Now

WATCH LIVE: Netanyahu discusses US-Israel relationship at AIPAC conference in Washington


http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/WATCH-LIVE-Netanyahu-discusses-US-Israel-relationship-at-AIPAC-conference-in-Washington-392667

http://i62.tinypic.com/35lu5oj.jpg

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exotix
03-02-2015, 10:18 AM
Ok ... Bibi just proclaimed his great respect for Obama ... especially thanking Obama for the Iron Dome ... pretty much clowning Mac-a-doo'ry ... LOL

Adelaide
03-02-2015, 11:01 AM
I think it would be concerning to see a rift between the US and Israel. While I may not support what I see as excessive and unnecessary financial support for Israel from the US (who really can't afford it), I do think Israel is an ally in an area of the world where it makes them asset. There is a strong history there.

exotix
03-02-2015, 11:42 AM
Let's take a look at the Bush Speech to the Knesset back in 2008 ... where he alleges Obama a Nazi and a (muslim) Terrorist (appeaser) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYlKIGssQIE

Cigar
03-02-2015, 11:44 AM
I Never Intended 'To Show Any Disrespect To President Obama'

Speaking at an American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington, Netanyahu talked about the elephant in the room: his acceptance of an invitation from House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to address Congress just days before the Israeli elections and amid a heated debate over Iran sanctions. Boehner had made the invitation without consulting the White House or State Department.

"My speech is not intended to show any disrespect to President Obama or the esteemed office that he holds. I have great respect for both," Netanyahu said.

"My speech is also not intended to inject Israel into the American partisan debate," he added. "An important reason why our alliance has grown stronger, decade after decade, is that it has been championed by both parties and so it must remain."

Netanyahu said he regretted that some people "misperceived" his visit to Washington as partisan. The prime minister has come under fire from House and Senate Democrats -- including Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), who said Sunday that Netanyahu doesn't "speak for all Jews" -- for accepting Boehner's invitation.



Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/netanyahu-aipac-no-disrespect-obama

Yea right Bibi :laugh:

Bo-4
03-02-2015, 11:47 AM
Bibi is a great man and a true warrior unlike the chickenhawk in the White House now.

You got a lot of nerve talking about chickenhawks. 90% of the cheerleaders on Iraq had no military background ;-)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_131dsm4xhS8/S-BW7IprzcI/AAAAAAAAC1M/V2fbmumgawU/s1600/cheneydraftdodger.jpg

Bo-4
03-02-2015, 11:52 AM
I Never Intended 'To Show Any Disrespect To President Obama'

Speaking at an American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington, Netanyahu talked about the elephant in the room: his acceptance of an invitation from House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to address Congress just days before the Israeli elections and amid a heated debate over Iran sanctions. Boehner had made the invitation without consulting the White House or State Department.

"My speech is not intended to show any disrespect to President Obama or the esteemed office that he holds. I have great respect for both," Netanyahu said.

"My speech is also not intended to inject Israel into the American partisan debate," he added. "An important reason why our alliance has grown stronger, decade after decade, is that it has been championed by both parties and so it must remain."

Netanyahu said he regretted that some people "misperceived" his visit to Washington as partisan. The prime minister has come under fire from House and Senate Democrats -- including Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), who said Sunday that Netanyahu doesn't "speak for all Jews" -- for accepting Boehner's invitation.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/netanyahu-aipac-no-disrespect-obama

Yea right Bibi :laugh:

Boehner: I want to make the president look bad
Bibi: I can help!

exotix
03-02-2015, 11:55 AM
Boehner: I want to make the president look bad
Bibi: I can help!


'This holding Obama and America hostage shit works'

~ Bohner & Bibi

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 08:57 AM
Skipping this debacle is the best option. Otherwise, you're being played.


Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Al Franken (D-Minn.) announced Monday that they will not attend Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Tuesday address to a joint session of Congress. According to The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/232160-whip-list-dems-skipping-netanyahu-speech), more than 50 congressional Democrats have said they are skipping the controversial speech. Among those boycotting are Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Vice President Joe Biden is also missing (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/02/06/biden-expected-to-miss-netanyahu-speech-to-congress/) the speech due to overseas travel.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/02/elizabeth-warren-al-franken-netanyahu_n_6788136.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

zelmo1234
03-03-2015, 09:00 AM
I say that is great.

People have every right to show that they do not support Israel!

Now it is likely to effect the Democrats more as they receive the most support from the Jewish Community. and showing that you are anti sematic is not likely to win you any favors.

But is you don't like the Jews, you don't like the Jews

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 09:02 AM
I say that is great.

People have every right to show that they do not support Israel!

Now it is likely to effect the Democrats more as they receive the most support from the Jewish Community. and showing that you are anti sematic is not likely to win you any favors.

But is you don't like the Jews, you don't like the Jews

That's ridiculous. Not supporting a Conservative hawk does not equal not supporting Israel or being antisemitic. That's like saying if you don't like Ben Stiller, you're probably a Nazi.

BB-35
03-03-2015, 09:11 AM
Skipping this debacle is the best option. Otherwise, you're being played.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/02/elizabeth-warren-al-franken-netanyahu_n_6788136.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Cowardly democrats.....what a surprise....

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 09:12 AM
That's ridiculous. Not supporting a Conservative hawk does not equal not supporting Israel or being antisemitic. That's like saying if you don't like Ben Stiller, you're probably a Nazi.

I don't much care for Ben Stiller but do like Jon Stewart. Does that spare me the Nazi label? ;)

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 09:14 AM
I don't much care for Ben Stiller but do like Jon Stewart. Does that spare me the Nazi label? ;)

That means you're a Finish collaborator with a moral dilemma.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 09:14 AM
Cowardly democrats.....what a surprise....

Cowardly?

So if Nancy Pelosi had invited Michael Moore to speak to a joint session of Congress without talking to Republicans or President Bush first, would you say the same about your own?

Seems doubtful. ;-)

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 09:16 AM
That's ridiculous. Not supporting a Conservative hawk does not equal not supporting Israel or being antisemitic. That's like saying if you don't like Ben Stiller, you're probably a Nazi.

I thought he was the prime minister of Israel first and a "conservative hawk" second?

But in lib la la land politics always comes first.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 09:18 AM
I thought he was the prime minister of Israel first and a "conservative hawk" second?

But in lib la la land politics always comes first.

This is ironic coming from you.

Lib lib lib lib...squawk! I think you were a parrot in a former life.

del
03-03-2015, 09:19 AM
This is ironic coming from you.

Lib lib lib lib...squawk! I think you were a parrot in a former life.

why do you hate parrots?

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 09:21 AM
why do you hate parrots?

Because they only repeat what other people say and don't really think for themselves. ;)

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 09:23 AM
This is ironic coming from you.

Lib lib lib lib...squawk! I think you were a parrot in a former life.

But you are only a Canadian so your opinion of American politics means nothing.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 09:23 AM
they poop on everything & also chew the furniture when they escape their cages....

del
03-03-2015, 09:27 AM
they poop on everything & also chew the furniture when they escape their cages....

canadians?

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 09:28 AM
But you are only a Canadian so your opinion of American politics means nothing.

LOL "only" Canadian.

You have such a fucked up view of the world.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 09:30 AM
they poop on everything & also chew the furniture when they escape their cages....

I had a yellow-crested amazon. Truer words were never spoken.

http://www.birdchannel.com/images/articles/bird-species/pet-amazon-faq2.jpg

BB-35
03-03-2015, 09:34 AM
Cowardly?

So if Nancy Pelosi had invited Michael Moore to speak to a joint session of Congress without talking to Republicans or President Bush first, would you say the same about your own?

Seems doubtful. ;-)
Yep, A real conservative wouldn't run from that tub of lard...

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 09:39 AM
Yep, A real conservative wouldn't run from that tub of lard...

Wanna bet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeROnVUADj0&spfreload=10

hanger4
03-03-2015, 09:40 AM
Cowardly?

So if Nancy Pelosi had invited Michael Moore to speak to a joint session of Congress without talking to Republicans or President Bush first, would you say the same about your own?

Seems doubtful. ;-)

If Michael Moore was a head-of-state you might have a point. As is not so much. As to the OP I would think hearing both sides of the debate would be best for future policy. This is nothing more than grandstanding for MSM soundbites.

exotix
03-03-2015, 09:40 AM
I say that is great.

People have every right to show that they do not support Israel!

Now it is likely to effect the Democrats more as they receive the most support from the Jewish Community. and showing that you are anti sematic is not likely to win you any favors.

But is you don't like the Jews, you don't like the Jews
What did the Founding Fathers say about Jews ?

BB-35
03-03-2015, 09:54 AM
Wanna bet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeROnVUADj0&spfreload=10
Yes I'd bet...

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 10:09 AM
If Michael Moore was a head-of-state you might have a point. As is not so much. As to the OP I would think hearing both sides of the debate would be best for future policy. This is nothing more than grandstanding for MSM soundbites.

WHO'S "grandstanding"? LoL, that would be J-Bone and The Bibe.

Boehner: I'd like to make the president look bad.
Bibi: Okay, i can help - be right there!

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 10:24 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/boehner-calls-netanyahu-closest-ally-in-fight-against-obama

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 10:24 AM
Maybe they can get Putin to come over as well.

hanger4
03-03-2015, 10:41 AM
WHO'S "grandstanding"? LoL, that would be J-Bone and The Bibe.

Boehner: "I'd like to make the president look bad."
Bibi: "Okay, i can help - be right there!"
Lying to bolster ones argument just makes you look foolish Bo-4

Cigar
03-03-2015, 10:41 AM
In 200 years, no foreign leader has ever addressed Congress to denounce the President's policies,much less while sensitive negotiations are ongoing, and the leader is in the midst of a re-election battle.

That's what will be happening tomorrow, and that's why all the Democratic members of Congress should be boycotting this media event.


http://www.ktvn.com/story/28241222/foreign-talks-to-congress-often-a-yawn-but-not-netanyahus

WASHINGTON (AP) - Given anywhere else, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech Tuesday wouldn't cause such a fuss.

But a foreign leader denouncing U.S. policy from within the grand hall of American democracy upends nearly two centuries of tradition.

A joint meeting of Congress, gathering senators and representatives together in the House chamber, is a ceremony typically bestowed on one or two friendly foreign leaders per year. It looks a lot like a presidential State of the Union address. The speaker embodies his or her nation; the audience of lawmakers represents all Americans.

Unity and shared purpose are the standard themes. Standing ovations are a given.

"It establishes there is a strong bond between the two nations," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center. "In that context, a speech that provokes controversy at home or abroad is problematic."


:afro: I wonder why

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 10:45 AM
Lying to bolster ones argument just makes you look foolish @Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297)

I'd never accuse you of lying. Big difference between a lie and a delusion.

Adelaide
03-03-2015, 10:47 AM
I say that is great.

People have every right to show that they do not support Israel!

Now it is likely to effect the Democrats more as they receive the most support from the Jewish Community. and showing that you are anti sematic is not likely to win you any favors.

But is you don't like the Jews, you don't like the Jews

People seem to have an unfortunate habit of using Israel and Jewish as synonyms. Just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I automatically support Israel. Just because you live in Israel doesn't mean you're a Jew, or a Jew that supports some of the actions/behaviours exhibited by the government. From what I understand, Netanyahu gets a lot of pressure from Orthodox and Conservative Jews behind the scenes. Majority of North American Jews are Reform or fairly 'liberal' Conservative Jews.

It's important to remember that we don't just all flock to support each other mindlessly because of religious ties. We do have different opinions depending on branch of Judaism, and even down to individual teachings by our religious leaders because all Rabbis sort of interpret things differently.

Not supporting Israel doesn't make you anti-Semitic. That's a clear example of confusing Israeli and Jewish.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 10:48 AM
Maybe they can get Putin to come over as well.

Bibi turns them on plenty. Were you to add Poot there wouldn't be a dry pair of underwear in the house. :)

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 10:48 AM
In 200 years this the the first half American president and least patriotic chickenhawk America has had the misfortune to have in the White House.

Crepitus
03-03-2015, 10:49 AM
Yet another case of conservatives putting their own interests first instead of the nations.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 10:50 AM
Obumer loves Muslim terrorists more than America or our ally Israel.

Adelaide
03-03-2015, 10:51 AM
But you are only a Canadian so your opinion of American politics means nothing.

I guess because you're an American your opinion on anything involving foreign affairs means absolutely nothing. You are not Russian, nor Ukrainian, nor Iraqi nor Israeli so maybe you should never comment on those topics again. While we're at it, you're probably Christian so perhaps you should avoid any topics about Judaism, or Islam or any other religion. As far as I know you're white so maybe you also should avoid topics related to African-Americans or any other racial group. You're male, so I guess female issues are not really your business either (whew, won't have to read your male opinion on abortion anymore!).

Or do you expect to be treated differently than you treat others?

Cigar
03-03-2015, 10:51 AM
Obumer loves Muslim terrorists more than America or our ally Israel.

I guess that explains all the Muslin Terrorist Love they are getting from above!

:laugh:

exotix
03-03-2015, 10:56 AM
*update*



5 minutes to speech


Watch Live ~ http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-address-congress-n316351


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Mac-7
03-03-2015, 10:58 AM
I guess that explains all the Muslin Terrorist Love they are getting from above!

:laugh:

Collateral damage.

Just a few expendables who will get their 72 virgin boys that much sooner.

He made sure the Muslim terrorists kept control of Iran, and gave them Egypt, Libya, and parts of Syria and Iraq.

What more can one little black Muslim welfare baby from Hawaii be expected to do for Allah?

hanger4
03-03-2015, 11:06 AM
I'd never accuse you of lying. Big difference between a lie and a delusion.
Quoting a statement atributes the statement to the quoted. Boehner never said that.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:07 AM
In all honesty, from an outside perspective (somewhat biased of course), what the GOP has done over the course of this presidency borders on treason.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:07 AM
Pelosi has her plastic face in the House chamber to hear Bibi speak.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:09 AM
Ok ... Ladies and Gentlemen ... the President of the United States ... Netenyahoooo ..


http://i59.tinypic.com/b52ng2.jpg


http://i62.tinypic.com/34jad1t.jpg

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:09 AM
And he's getting a warmer welcome than obumer did.

Cigar
03-03-2015, 11:09 AM
Collateral damage.

Just a few expendables who will get their 72 virgin boys that much sooner.

He made sure the Muslim terrorists kept control of Iran, and gave them Egypt, Libya, and parts of Syria and Iraq.

What more can one little black Muslim welfare baby from Hawaii be expected to do for Allah?

http://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/you-mad.jpg?w=500

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:09 AM
In 200 years, no foreign leader has ever addressed Congress to denounce the President's policies,

much less while sensitive negotiations are ongoing, ………………………..





You have a problem with free speech?

This is the first time in 200 years that Americans have not followed the Constitution in choosing a president.

According to British National Archives, Barack Obama Senior had a son born in Kenya on August 4, 1961. If that was not the current occupant of the oval office, who was it?

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/06/20/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/






But a foreign leader denouncing U.S. policy from within the grand hall of American democracy upends nearly two centuries of tradition.








This subject of Queen Elizabeth could not care less. With FATCA, no president in history has been so disrespectful of the sovereignty of other countries.

So tell somebody who cares.

The minute messiah Obama starts reporting his bank accounts to Kenya, he can at least claim consistency, but I am not holding my breath on that one.

The accidental Kenyan:

According to the tax policy that Obama wishes to apply against Americans living outside the United States, he would be a Kenyan tax cheat.

http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/06/06/the-accidental-kenyan-what-would-happen-if-the-african-nation-copied-u-s-tax-policy/






Unity and shared purpose are the standard themes. Standing ovations are a given.

"It establishes there is a strong bond between the two nations," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center. "In that context, a speech that provokes controversy at home or abroad is problematic."


file:///C:\Users\User1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\ clip_image001.gif I wonder why





Isn’t that too bad. That’s what Obama’s minions get when they put a foreign born Muslim (who has been in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria) in charge.

Why should a traditional ally look upon Obama's policies as being friendly. In fact, if Obama were openly and more vociferously pro Muslim, he would not doing things much differently.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:11 AM
http://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/you-mad.jpg?w=500

I can always tell that I'm whipping ass when libs are speechless and posting pictures for the argument.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 11:11 AM
how embarrassing would it be if this fella loses his bid for re-election?

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:12 AM
LOL...birthers.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:13 AM
I can always tell that I'm whipping ass when libs are speechless and posting pictures for the argument.

You've never whipped anyone's ass here...ever. Period.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:13 AM
Pelosi has her plastic face in the House chamber to hear Bibi speak.
Do you have your Kippah on with your Menorah ... today you're Jewish.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:15 AM
Treasonous...

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:15 AM
how embarrassing would it be if this fella loses his bid for re-election?

The greatest leader of WWII lost his re-election bid after the war.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:16 AM
Except for the part that Israel would have been long annihilated if not for the U.S.

According to Verse 64-11 of the Koran, everything that happens is the will of Allah. So if a billion muslims are too stupid to take down a few million Jews in Israel, Muslims have nothing to complain about.

According to their Koran, it's Allah's doing (his will), and therefore Allah's fault.

I guess Allah is such a pig for attention that 5 prayers a day are not enough?

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:16 AM
You've never whipped anyone's ass here...ever. Period.

The canadian/East German Olympic judge has cast his ballot.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:17 AM
The canadian/East German Olympic judge has cast his ballot.

It's just a fact. Find one person here to say otherwise and I'll retract my statement.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:18 AM
According to Verse 64-11 of the Koran, everything that happens is the will of Allah. So if a billion muslims are too stupid to take down a few million Jews in Israel, Muslims have nothing to complain about.

According to their Koran, it's Allah's doing (his will), and therefore Allah's fault.

I guess Allah is such a pig for attention that 5 prayers a day are not enough?
Don't forget that the Founding Fathers set aside $3.1 Billion in welfare for Israel each year.

pragmatic
03-03-2015, 11:18 AM
Skipping this debacle is the best option. Otherwise, you're being played.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/02/elizabeth-warren-al-franken-netanyahu_n_6788136.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Disagree.

Those "protesting" by not attending are just adding to the politicization of the visit....

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:18 AM
Do you have your Kippah on with your Menorah ... today you're Jewish.

God's chosen people are my people too.

The Sage of Main Street
03-03-2015, 11:18 AM
People seem to have an unfortunate habit of using Israel and Jewish as synonyms. Just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I automatically support Israel. Just because you live in Israel doesn't mean you're a Jew, or a Jew that supports some of the actions/behaviours exhibited by the government. From what I understand, Netanyahu gets a lot of pressure from Orthodox and Conservative Jews behind the scenes. Majority of North American Jews are Reform or fairly 'liberal' Conservative Jews. It's important to remember that we don't just all flock to support each other mindlessly because of religious ties. We do have different opinions depending on branch of Judaism, and even down to individual teachings by our religious leaders because all Rabbis sort of interpret things differently. Not supporting Israel doesn't make you anti-Semitic. That's a clear example of confusing Israeli and Jewish. If you think the Israelis are no better than the rabid Arab rabble, that shows a real contempt for Jews. What if Americans had pioneered that area? You'd never get away with being a Muzziphile.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:20 AM
The Iranian mullahs tweet calling for the destruction of Israel so we need to be obligated ?

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:20 AM
Ok, we just got the Nazi / Genocide / Holocaust guilt trip.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:20 AM
It's just a fact. Find one person here to say otherwise and I'll retract my statement.

I say otherwise.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 11:22 AM
Quoting a statement atributes the statement to the quoted. Boehner never said that.

If you don't believe that was the gist of their mutual intent, then indeed you're delusional. But yes, i will be happy to remove the quote marks (assuming i can still edit).

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:22 AM
Don't forget that the Founding Fathers set aside $3.1 Billion in welfare for Israel each year.

Good grief.

George Washing knew that Israel would become a nation in the late 1940's?

That's amazing.

I guess that must have been "almighty" Allah's will too.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:22 AM
Ok, The U.S. Iran Hostage Crisis

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:24 AM
God's chosen people are my people too.
The Jewish God 'll be news to the Founding the Fathers ... LOL

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 11:26 AM
People seem to have an unfortunate habit of using Israel and Jewish as synonyms. Just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I automatically support Israel. Just because you live in Israel doesn't mean you're a Jew, or a Jew that supports some of the actions/behaviours exhibited by the government. From what I understand, Netanyahu gets a lot of pressure from Orthodox and Conservative Jews behind the scenes. Majority of North American Jews are Reform or fairly 'liberal' Conservative Jews.

It's important to remember that we don't just all flock to support each other mindlessly because of religious ties. We do have different opinions depending on branch of Judaism, and even down to individual teachings by our religious leaders because all Rabbis sort of interpret things differently.

Not supporting Israel doesn't make you anti-Semitic. That's a clear example of confusing Israeli and Jewish.

Well stated, but probably a mite complex for some here on the right. They prefer overly simplistic jingoism for the most part.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:27 AM
Ok ... Israel is pretty much fucked as all these terrorists kill each other to be theeee one true Muslim Kingdom.

The Sage of Main Street
03-03-2015, 11:28 AM
God's chosen people are my people too. If anti-Semitism hadn't been so useful as a scapegoat to deflect from ruling-class tyranny, Christian doctrine would have been that God had already saved the Jews and sent His Son to save the rest of us.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:30 AM
When is the neocon-zionist gonna get to the Iraq War ?

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:32 AM
Cowardly?

So if Nancy Pelosi had invited Michael Moore to speak to a joint session of Congress without talking to Republicans or President Bush first, would you say the same about your own?

Seems doubtful. ;-)

Not a valid comparison.

Michael Moore is not the head of government of an ally.

hanger4
03-03-2015, 11:35 AM
If you don't believe that was the gist of their mutual intent, then indeed you're delusional. But yes, i will be happy to remove the quote marks (assuming i can still edit).

It matters not (quote marks) you learned your lesson. As to the OP why fear the other side of the story ?? One would think you'd welcome some open debate.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 11:36 AM
Not a valid comparison.

Michael Moore is not the head of government of an ally.

Hmmm, okay. I couldn't really think of a foreign leader that your side has disliked quite as much.

We've definitely had it up to here with Neocon Netty.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:38 AM
The Jewish God 'll be news to the Founding the Fathers ... LOL

According to you, the founding fathers allocated them $3.1 billion annually.

They did that 200 years ago? Their foresight must have been amazing.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:42 AM
The Jewish God 'll be news to the Founding the Fathers ... LOL

The Founding Fathers were well acquainted with God.

The problem today is so many libs who not acquainted but should be.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 11:43 AM
Netanyahu is kicking obumer's ass.

No wonder the White House is having a nervous breakdown over this speech.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 11:43 AM
It matters not (quote marks) you learned your lesson. As to the OP why fear the other side of the story ?? One would think you'd welcome some open debate.

Open debate is good.. but not two weeks before his election while sensitive talks are going on with Iran. Bibi is going to be happy with nothing less than carpet bombing Iran.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:45 AM
According to you, the founding fathers allocated them $3.1 billion annually.

They did that 200 years ago? Their foresight must have been amazing.
Obviously ... The State of Israel was prophesied in *the silences* of the Founding Fathers ... known as *the wisdoms* ... especially when drafting the U.S. Constitution.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:47 AM
Netanyahu is kicking obumer's ass.

No wonder the White House is having a nervous breakdown over this speech.
That's because today we're Jews ... tomorrow we'll be back to normal Americans and RWNJ's ... LOL

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 11:49 AM
Obviously ... The State of Israel was prophesied in *the silences* of the Founding Fathers ... known as *the wisdoms* ... especially when drafting the U.S. Constitution.

Wow.

That's amazing. Something was prophesied "silently". You amaze me more every time with your amazing insight. Those founding father were prescient, even if only silently.

The question is....Just exactly what is the Allah (the celestial brothel manager and bartender) doing about it? Remember, according to the Koran, everything that happens is Allah's will.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:51 AM
Wow.

That's amazing. Something was prophesied "silently". You amaze me more every time with your amazing insight. Those founding father were prescient, even if only silently.

The question is....Just exactly what is the Allah (the celestial brothel manager and bartender) doing about it? Remember, according to the Koran, everything that happens is Allah's will.

Do you ever stop obsessing over muzlims?

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 11:53 AM
You two make a lovely couple...

I retract my previous statement. You whip ass Mac.

exotix
03-03-2015, 11:54 AM
Wow.

That's amazing. Something was prophesied "silently". You amaze me more every time with your amazing insight. Those founding father were prescient, even if only silently.

The question is....Just exactly what is the Allah (the celestial brothel manager and bartender) doing about it? Remember, according to the Koran, everything that happens is Allah's will.
That's nothing ... Netenyaooo mentioned not one time what America needs to do ... just fear & hate mongered just like the teaparty manifesto says to do.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 12:12 PM
That's nothing ... Netenyaooo mentioned not one time what America needs to do ... just fear & hate mongered just like the teaparty manifesto says to do.

Bibi counseled greater sanctions on Iran and no concessions to the crazy mullahs.

The crazies in Iran were hurting economically until obumer went wobbly and started pandering to them.

Reason10
03-03-2015, 12:13 PM
In 200 years we've never had as bad a president.

Mac-7
03-03-2015, 12:14 PM
In 200 years we've never had as bad a president.

Obumer is the worst ever.

exotix
03-03-2015, 12:20 PM
Bibi counseled greater sanctions on Iran and no concessions to the crazy mullahs.

The crazies in Iran were hurting economically until obumer went wobbly and started pandering to them.
You have a point ... I liked when Bibi stated the Nazi's and the holocaust to premise the future of Israel unless America wages war.

Mr. Right
03-03-2015, 12:21 PM
LOL...birthers.

You do admit that no Doctor, Nurse, or even Candy Striper has recollection of the event. You'd think the 15 minutes of fame and possibility of book deals would have ferreted them out... but all we get are crickets.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 12:22 PM
Andrew Johnson and Richard Nixon.

exotix
03-03-2015, 12:23 PM
Not a valid comparison.

Michael Moore is not the head of government of an ally.
You must've missed Bohner introduce Bibi as *His Excellency*

LOL

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 12:24 PM
You do admit that no Doctor, Nurse, or even Candy Striper has recollection of the event. You'd think the 15 minutes of fame and possibility of book deals would have ferreted them out... but all we get are crickets.

I really don't think I could find a candy striper who recalled my birth.

We do thankfully have the news of his birth recorded in the local newspaper.

Birther on though...birther on.

domer76
03-03-2015, 12:54 PM
In 200 years this the the first half American president and least patriotic chickenhawk America has had the misfortune to have in the White House.
My bet is that you don't know jack shit about Presidential history. I'm still waiting for anything you know jack shit about, period.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 12:55 PM
I really don't think I could find a candy striper who recalled my birth.

We do thankfully have the news of his birth recorded in the local newspaper.

Birther on though...birther on.

Unfortunately for you, you have overlooked where the burden of proof rests. People who think Obama is American born have a position much like that of a prosecuting lawyer. Their burden of proof is absolute. It's absolute because he was the one who sought the office of president.

On the other hand, our position is much simpler. Don't blame us for having that. You chose the more difficult position on your own.

Our position is much like that of defence lawyer. We don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The only thing we have to show is that there is serious doubt that that he was born in the United States. The records of the British National Archives give us that very reasonable doubt. Those who mock the "birthers" must assuage that doubt. The British National Archives raise questions that YOU MUST ANSWER, such as:

(1) If the child born to Barack Obama Senior in Kenya in 1961 was not the current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(2) If the mother of that child was was not the mother of current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(3) If that child born in Kenya was not the current occupant of the White House, what happened to him?

(4) If Barack Obama Senior fathered other children, with other women, in that year, in other years, or in other countries, who were they and where are they now?

A newspaper announcement does not constitute proof. A PDF (with different fonts in the age of mechanical typewriters??) does not constitute proof.

Remember, we are not saying the answers do not exist. It simply up to you to provide them.

So mock us all you want. It does not remove the burden of proof from you. If anything, mocking us intensifies your burden of proof.

domer76
03-03-2015, 12:56 PM
You have a problem with free speech?

This is the first time in 200 years that Americans have not followed the Constitution in choosing a president.

According to British National Archives, Barack Obama Senior had a son born in Kenya on August 4, 1961. If that was not the current occupant of the oval office, who was it?

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/06/20/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/



This subject of Queen Elizabeth could not care less. With FATCA, no president in history has been so disrespectful of the sovereignty of other countries.

So tell somebody who cares.

The minute messiah Obama starts reporting his bank accounts to Kenya, he can at least claim consistency, but I am not holding my breath on that one.

The accidental Kenyan:

According to the tax policy that Obama wishes to apply against Americans living outside the United States, he would be a Kenyan tax cheat.

http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/06/06/the-accidental-kenyan-what-would-happen-if-the-african-nation-copied-u-s-tax-policy/



Isn’t that too bad. That’s what Obama’s minions get when they put a foreign born Muslim (who has been in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria) in charge.

Why should a traditional ally look upon Obama's policies as being friendly. In fact, if Obama were openly and more vociferously pro Muslim, he would not doing things much differently.
Delusionally stupid

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 12:56 PM
Like I said...LOL...Birthers.

domer76
03-03-2015, 12:57 PM
In 200 years we've never had as bad a president.
Another post exposing one's own ignorance. Tell us all you know about James Buchanan.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 12:58 PM
Delusionally stupid

Delusionally stupid are the people who voted for Obama.

Buchanan may have been stupid, but he wasn't a traitor. He didn't deliberately flout the constitution.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 12:59 PM
Another post exposing one's own ignorance. Tell us all you know about James Buchanan.

You are really getting desperate.

domer76
03-03-2015, 12:59 PM
Unfortunately for you, you have overlooked where the burden of proof rests. People who think Obama is American born have a position much like that of a prosecuting lawyer. Their burden of proof is absolute. It's absolute because he was the one who sought the office of president.

On the other hand, our position is much simpler. Don't blame us for having that. You chose the more difficult position on your own.

Our position is much like that of defence lawyer. We don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The only thing we have to show is that there is serious doubt that that he was born in the United States. The records of the British National Archives give us that very reasonable doubt. Those who mock the "birthers" must assuage that doubt. The British National Archives raise questions that YOU MUST ANSWER, such as:

(1) If the child born to Barack Obama Senior in Kenya in 1961 was not the current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(2) If the mother of that child was was not the mother of current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(3) If that child born in Kenya was not the current occupant of the White House, what happened to him?

(4) If Barack Obama Senior fathered other children, with other women, in that year, in other years, or in other countries, who were they and where are they now?

A newspaper announcement does not constitute proof. A PDF (with different fonts in the age of mechanical typewriters??) does not constitute proof.

Remember, we are not saying the answers do not exist. It simply up to you to provide them.

So mock us all you want. It does not remove the burden of proof from you. If anything, mocking us intensifies your burden of proof.
Pitiable

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:00 PM
Delusionally stupid are the people who voted for Obama.

Buchanan may have been stupid, but he wasn't a traitor. He didn't deliberately flout the constitution.

http://proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BIRTHERS01.jpg

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 01:01 PM
Netanyahu is kicking obumer's ass.

No wonder the White House is having a nervous breakdown over this speech.

Has he whipped out his awesome Wile E Coyote cartoon bomb graphic yet? LoL! :D

http://www.ldnintpost.co.uk/wpimages/wp22c47937_05_06.jpg

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:02 PM
http://proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BIRTHERS01.jpg

Instead of going ad hominem, why not just answer the questions?

Going ad hominem is an admission of epic fail in any debate.

Safety
03-03-2015, 01:02 PM
You have a problem with free speech?

This is the first time in 200 years that Americans have not followed the Constitution in choosing a president.

According to British National Archives, Barack Obama Senior had a son born in Kenya on August 4, 1961. If that was not the current occupant of the oval office, who was it?

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/06/20/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/



This subject of Queen Elizabeth could not care less. With FATCA, no president in history has been so disrespectful of the sovereignty of other countries.

So tell somebody who cares.

The minute messiah Obama starts reporting his bank accounts to Kenya, he can at least claim consistency, but I am not holding my breath on that one.

The accidental Kenyan:

According to the tax policy that Obama wishes to apply against Americans living outside the United States, he would be a Kenyan tax cheat.

http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/06/06/the-accidental-kenyan-what-would-happen-if-the-african-nation-copied-u-s-tax-policy/



Isn’t that too bad. That’s what Obama’s minions get when they put a foreign born Muslim (who has been in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria) in charge.

Why should a traditional ally look upon Obama's policies as being friendly. In fact, if Obama were openly and more vociferously pro Muslim, he would not doing things much differently.

http://www.newsinnigeria.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/513.jpg

LoL, birthers.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:03 PM
Pitiable

Are you going to answer the questions?

I am not holding my breath.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:04 PM
Instead of going ad hominem, why not just answer the questions?

Going ad hominem is an admission of epic fail in any debate.

I'm tired of the birther argument. It was debunked years ago. It seems only Orly Taitz and a few desperates are holding on to it.

It's not even a debate. It's an illustration of desperation and idiocy.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:04 PM
http://www.newsinnigeria.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/513.jpg

LoL, birthers.

That photo does not constitute an answer to the questions.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:05 PM
I'm tired of the birther argument. It was debunked years ago. It seems only Orly Taitz and a few desperates are holding on to it.

It's not even a debate. It's an illustration of desperation and idiocy.

Debunked by whom?

Did they answer the questions? Show me the answers.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:07 PM
Debunked by whom?

Did they answer the questions? Show me the answers.

Show me the "proof" that he was born in Kenya.

Safety
03-03-2015, 01:07 PM
I can always tell that I'm whipping ass when libs are speechless and posting pictures for the argument.

Once again you're mistaking not wanting to expend the effort typing out a response when most likely it would not be comprehended intelligently, so a picture does nicely in its place.

Safety
03-03-2015, 01:09 PM
That photo does not constitute an answer to the questions.

Nothing typed in this thread constitutes an answer to any question. Birthers will birth.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:10 PM
Show me the "proof" that he was born in Kenya.

I don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The burden of proof is with you that he was born in the States.

We do know that, according British National Archives, a son was born in Kenya in 1961. If it wasn't the president, then who was it?

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:11 PM
Nothing typed in this thread constitutes an answer to any question. Birthers will birth.

But the burden of proof remains with those who mock the birthers.

domer76
03-03-2015, 01:14 PM
Delusionally stupid are the people who voted for Obama.

Buchanan may have been stupid, but he wasn't a traitor. He didn't deliberately flout the constitution.
Tell us what you know about James Buchanan. Yep, nothing. Just as I thought.

domer76
03-03-2015, 01:14 PM
Like I said...LOL...Birthers.

Boy, howdy!

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:15 PM
I don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The burden of proof is with you that he was born in the States.

We do know that, according British National Archives, a son was born in Kenya in 1961. If it wasn't the president, then who was it?

No, you do. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Show us these British National Archives...

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:16 PM
Tell us what you know about James Buchanan. Yep, nothing. Just as I thought.

Who cares? Whatever James Buchanan may have been, it does not change the treasonous acts of your muslim president.

domer76
03-03-2015, 01:17 PM
You are really getting desperate.

When a person claims "the worst of all Presidents", I would expect them to actually KNOW someting about all the Presidents. That kind of blanket statement merely exposes one's partisan ignorance. Something that obviously escapes you.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 01:18 PM
His birth was established to the satisfaction of those who allowed his election to the Senate and the Presidency. The burden of proof is on those who disagree with their decision. You get to be the one to prove a negative....

Safety
03-03-2015, 01:18 PM
But the burden of proof remains with those who mock the birthers.

No, the burden on proof is on the birthers, the birth certificate has been released. Deal with it.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:19 PM
I can't believe we're still having this discussion.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 01:21 PM
Who cares? Whatever James Buchanan may have been, it does not change the treasonous acts of your muslim president.

to claim he is a Muslim means you don't accept one of the basic precepts of Christianity...that to be saved and be a Christian, one only has to acknowledge Christ. Since Obama has done that on numerous occasions...you are saying that precept is incorrect.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:21 PM
No, you do. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Show us these British National Archives...

The burden of proof remains with Obama (and his supporters) because he sought the office of president.

The only thing I am doing is raising questions.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/06/20/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/

Private Pickle
03-03-2015, 01:22 PM
In 200 years, no foreign leader has ever addressed Congress to denounce the President's policies,

much less while sensitive negotiations are ongoing, and the leader is in the midst of a re-election battle.

That's what will be happening tomorrow, and that's why all the Democratic members of Congress should be boycotting this media event.


http://www.ktvn.com/story/28241222/foreign-talks-to-congress-often-a-yawn-but-not-netanyahus

WASHINGTON (AP) - Given anywhere else, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech Tuesday wouldn't cause such a fuss.

But a foreign leader denouncing U.S. policy from within the grand hall of American democracy upends nearly two centuries of tradition.

A joint meeting of Congress, gathering senators and representatives together in the House chamber, is a ceremony typically bestowed on one or two friendly foreign leaders per year. It looks a lot like a presidential State of the Union address. The speaker embodies his or her nation; the audience of lawmakers represents all Americans.

Unity and shared purpose are the standard themes. Standing ovations are a given.

"It establishes there is a strong bond between the two nations," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center. "In that context, a speech that provokes controversy at home or abroad is problematic."


:afro: I wonder why




Yeah. The Jews are racist. That's it....

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:23 PM
I can't believe we're still having this discussion.

But I can readily believe why you have not answered my questions.

It's because you apparently cannot. But until you or somebody else answers them, the questions remain.

Mr. Right
03-03-2015, 01:24 PM
http://www.newsinnigeria.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/513.jpg

LoL, birthers.
He's like 2 years old there.

Cigar
03-03-2015, 01:26 PM
If Bibi isn't happy, he can always go ask for Military help from all his other Friends :laugh:

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:28 PM
In 200 years this the the first half American president and least patriotic chickenhawk America has had the misfortune to have in the White House.
You know sometimes you REALLY irritate me. The rest of the time i pity you. Being bitter 100% of the time has gotta suck.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:28 PM
If Bibi isn't happy, he can always go ask for Military help from all his other Friends :laugh:

Good grief...a billion muslims have a friend in the White House now, and they still cannot defeat the Jews.

I guess five prayers a day are not enough.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:30 PM
You know sometimes you REALLY irritate me. The rest of the time i pity you. Being bitter 100% of the time has gotta suck.

I agree.

Muslims have been bitter ever since the formation of the State of Israel, but their brothel manager Allah guy still can't help them.

Maybe they need to pray 10 times a day???

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:30 PM
But I can readily believe why you have not answered my questions.

It's because you apparently cannot. But until you or somebody else answers them, the questions remain.

Your questions are based on us trusting your assertions. You've offered no evidence, just your opinions.

Show us your proof. Give us sources, links etc...

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:31 PM
Your questions are based on us trusting your assertions. You've offered no evidence, just your opinions.Show us your proof. Give us sources, links etc...

You need to show the proof. I have presented sources that raise the questions.


http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/06/20/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/

It is you that has merely presented opinions.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:35 PM
Unfortunately for you, you have overlooked where the burden of proof rests. People who think Obama is American born have a position much like that of a prosecuting lawyer. Their burden of proof is absolute. It's absolute because he was the one who sought the office of president.

On the other hand, our position is much simpler. Don't blame us for having that. You chose the more difficult position on your own.

Our position is much like that of defence lawyer. We don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The only thing we have to show is that there is serious doubt that that he was born in the United States. The records of the British National Archives give us that very reasonable doubt. Those who mock the "birthers" must assuage that doubt. The British National Archives raise questions that YOU MUST ANSWER, such as:

(1) If the child born to Barack Obama Senior in Kenya in 1961 was not the current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(2) If the mother of that child was was not the mother of current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(3) If that child born in Kenya was not the current occupant of the White House, what happened to him?

(4) If Barack Obama Senior fathered other children, with other women, in that year, in other years, or in other countries, who were they and where are they now?

A newspaper announcement does not constitute proof. A PDF (with different fonts in the age of mechanical typewriters??) does not constitute proof.

Remember, we are not saying the answers do not exist. It simply up to you to provide them.

So mock us all you want. It does not remove the burden of proof from you. If anything, mocking us intensifies your burden of proof.
Your birther craziness doesn't and didnt keep him from winning TWICE, did it? Sucks to be you.

Private Pickle
03-03-2015, 01:36 PM
Soooo.... About that Netanyahu...

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:39 PM
LOL..DC Clothesline???

Some wordpress site? Couldn't find anything on Prison Planet?

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:41 PM
I don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The burden of proof is with you that he was born in the States.

We do know that, according British National Archives, a son was born in Kenya in 1961. If it wasn't the president, then who was it?
You have zero proof yet you still want to scream and stomp like a pouty four year old. Sad. "Mommmmmmmy, he tooked my cwayon! "

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:41 PM
Your birther craziness doesn't and didnt keep him from winning TWICE, did it? Sucks to be you.

No it didn't, but then we know what type of voter Obama attracts. Obama appeals to the functionally illiterate.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/detroit-illiteracy-nearly-half-education_n_858307.html

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:43 PM
Who cares? Whatever James Buchanan may have been, it does not change the treasonous acts of your muslim president.
Our president? Are you officially denouncing your American citizenship? Please say yes.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:43 PM
You have zero proof yet you still want to scream and stomp like a pouty four year old. Sad. "Mommmmmmmy, he tooked my cwayon! "

Like I said before, I don't have to prove anything.

The burden of proof rests with your side.

Mister D
03-03-2015, 01:43 PM
Our president? Are you officially denouncing your American citizenship? Please say yes.

Don't assume everyone is an American. Whatever that means...

Private Pickle
03-03-2015, 01:45 PM
Should we start a thread about Netanyahu? Cause this thread crashed and burned on the 1st page...

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 01:45 PM
The really funny thing is, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he was and is just as eligible as Ted Cruz.

Mister D
03-03-2015, 01:46 PM
The really funny thing is, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he was and is just as eligible as Ted Cruz.

Was he Mau Mau?

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:47 PM
Our president? Are you officially denouncing your American citizenship? Please say yes.

When I took my officer's oath, I swore to be loyal to Queen Elizabeth and to her heirs and successors.

My loyalty is, and always has been, to the British Crown.

George Washington broke that oath.

With that POS you have in the White House now, you were better off under George III. I suggest you admit the error of your ways and reaffirm that loyalty.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:48 PM
No it didn't, but then we know what type of voter Obama attracts. Obama appeals to the functionally illiterate.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/detroit-illiteracy-nearly-half-education_n_858307.html
Lmao. Sadly, for you white, crossed-arm jacket wearing lunatics those ILLITERATES managed to out-vote your crazy asses and guess what happened! Guessguessguessguessguess!

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:49 PM
The really funny thing is, even if Obama was born in Kenya, he was and is just as eligible as Ted Cruz.

That's true.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:50 PM
Lmao. Sadly, for you white, crossed-arm jacket wearing lunatics those ILLITERATES managed to out-vote your crazy asses and guess what happened! Guessguessguessguessguess!

Ah yes.

Illiteracy is bliss. By voting in multiple precincts, they are sure to get their free cell phones.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:50 PM
When I took my officer's oath, I swore to be loyal to Queen Elizabeth and to her heirs and successors.

My loyalty is, and always has been, to the British Crown.

George Washington broke that oath.

With that POS you have in the White House now, you were better off under George III. I suggest you admit the error of your ways and reaffirm that loyalty.
So, you're not even American? Lol.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:52 PM
Like I said before, I don't have to prove anything.

The burden of proof rests with your side.
My side is on this side of the pond. Mind your own.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:53 PM
So, you're not even American? Lol.

You have a problem with that?

Your head of state is ghetto trash. Mine is the Queen,

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:54 PM
Ah yes.

Illiteracy is bliss. By voting in multiple precincts, they are sure to get their free cell phones.
Sad. Don't you have your own monarchy to concern yourself with?

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 01:54 PM
You have a problem with that?

Your head of state is ghetto trash. Mine is the Queen,
/dismissed

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:56 PM
My side is on this side of the pond. Mind your own.

What makes you think I am not on your side of the pond?

And I would be much more inclined to mind my own if Obummer would mind his own and not be a bully imposing American law (FATCA) on the rest of the world.

The fact that he thinks such an American law must apply beyond US borders makes him fair game for anybody, including foreigners.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 01:57 PM
I actually kinda like Queenie E....but I don't know that a person who is the product of centuries of inbreeding has any inherent superiority to another person is valid.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 01:58 PM
Sad. Don't you have your own monarchy to concern yourself with?

Well...the monarchy is only an institution, with little or no legislative power. The Queen cannot make her own laws by executive order as Obummer has done with the illegals.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:00 PM
I actually kinda like Queenie E....but I don't know that a person who is the product of centuries of inbreeding has any inherent superiority to another person is valid.

Yes...I like her too.

We can lampoon her without accusations of racism.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:02 PM
I'm guessing Alberta...hopefully not Ontario.

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:03 PM
What's Wrong With This Picture? If The Dems Pulled A Stunt Like This On BushCo......

.... we would have never heard the end of it. I can't believe that while serious negotiations are goiing on with the Iranians by this administration the Repugs and Bibi are trying to undermine it.

I can't believe that there isn't more outrage by the rank and file American and Israeli People. I think what is being done by Bibi and Boehner is putting both countries at risk for the future.

This to me is treasonous. We should ship The GOP off to the Country they Support.

nic34
03-03-2015, 02:03 PM
Ah yes.

Illiteracy is bliss. By voting in multiple precincts, they are sure to get their free cell phones.

You've studied your American talking points well. I bet you can even see Alaska from your house......

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:05 PM
I'm guessing Alberta...hopefully not Ontario.

I will give you a hint. I am on the American side of the Atlantic, but not in North America.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 02:07 PM
well, there were some who liked to talk about how bad Obama appeared when compared to Putin. I think that hero worship object has been swept under the rug. There has to be another world leader to take that place for comparison purposes. If Bibi loses his election....back to the search again. Maybe Prince Phillip will be the next one....

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:08 PM
I will give you a hint. I am on the American side of the Atlantic, but not in North America.

Just as long as you're not Canadian....

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:10 PM
Just as long as you're not Canadian....

and if I were?

I know lots of Canadians who are retired where I live.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:11 PM
and if I were?

I know lots of Canadians who are retired where I live.

I've never made it down to South America. Where abouts?

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:12 PM
Boehner Stunt Backfires As NBC, CBS and ABC Don’t Televise Netanyahu Speech To Congress

Speaker of the House John Boehner and Prime Minister Netanyahu’s conspiracy to humiliate President Obama and dominate the news backfired as the U.S. broadcast networks ignored the speech and refused to televise it live.

Netanyahu’s speech has contained nothing new that the American people haven’t heard from neo-cons for decades. Netanyahu broke out various scare tactics with the purpose of frightening the American people into opposing President Obama’s negotiations with Iran on a nuclear deal.

Republicans were hoping that they could divide Democrats and garner massive mainstream media attention by inviting Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress, but Boehner’s handling of the invitation has proven to be wildly unpopular with the American people. Television networks were also scared off by liberal and progressive Democrats who refused to attend the speech.

Speaker Boehner tried to use a traditionally bipartisan platform to pull off a partisan political stunt, and for once the mainstream media didn’t play along. Boehner’s big gambit to assert his power failed, and Netanyahu delivered a stump speech for the voters back in Israel.

more...

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/03/boehner-stunt-backfires-nbc-cbs-abc-televise-netanyahu-speech-congress.html

http://lem.ch.unito.it/didattica/infochimica/2008_Esplosivi/Immagini/nuclear-explosion.jpg

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 02:14 PM
What's Wrong With This Picture? If The Dems Pulled A Stunt Like This On BushCo......

.... we would have never heard the end of it. I can't believe that while serious negotiations are goiing on with the Iranians by this administration the Repugs and Bibi are trying to undermine it.

I can't believe that there isn't more outrage by the rank and file American and Israeli People. I think what is being done by Bibi and Boehner is putting both countries at risk for the future.

This to me is treasonous. We should ship The GOP off to the Country they Support.

Treasonous is a bit of an understatement. But yes, if we could ship the House Teabags to ANY other country i'd be all for it.

In the meantime, let's cut off Netty's 3.1 billion dollar annual welfare payment. He's obviously quite capable of fending for himself.

http://images.thenews.com.pk/updates_pics/world-Israel-Palestine-UN_7-13-2014_153644_l.jpg

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:14 PM
I've never made it down to South America. Where abouts?

Answer is not relevant. I didn't say I was in South America. I could be in Central America.

But I will make a deal with you. I have put 4 questions to you that were raised on the basis of information from a link on the British National Archives.

If you answer them, I promise I will answer your question. Remember, you need to provide proof.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 02:16 PM
What makes you think I am not on your side of the pond?

And I would be much more inclined to mind my own if Obummer would mind his own and not be a bully imposing American law (FATCA) on the rest of the world.

The fact that he thinks such an American law must apply beyond US borders makes him fair game for anybody, including foreigners.
Lol. Leave it to an arrogant brit.. ...

del
03-03-2015, 02:16 PM
You have a problem with free speech?

This is the first time in 200 years that Americans have not followed the Constitution in choosing a president.

According to British National Archives, Barack Obama Senior had a son born in Kenya on August 4, 1961. If that was not the current occupant of the oval office, who was it?

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/06/20/british-national-archives-show-a-son-was-born-to-obama-sr-in-1961-in-kenya/



This subject of Queen Elizabeth could not care less. With FATCA, no president in history has been so disrespectful of the sovereignty of other countries.

So tell somebody who cares.

The minute messiah Obama starts reporting his bank accounts to Kenya, he can at least claim consistency, but I am not holding my breath on that one.

The accidental Kenyan:

According to the tax policy that Obama wishes to apply against Americans living outside the United States, he would be a Kenyan tax cheat.

http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/06/06/the-accidental-kenyan-what-would-happen-if-the-african-nation-copied-u-s-tax-policy/



Isn’t that too bad. That’s what Obama’s minions get when they put a foreign born Muslim (who has been in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria) in charge.

Why should a traditional ally look upon Obama's policies as being friendly. In fact, if Obama were openly and more vociferously pro Muslim, he would not doing things much differently.

obvious loon is obvious

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:17 PM
Answer is not relevant.

But I will make a deal with you. I have put 4 questions to you that were raised on the basis of information from a link on the British National Archives.

If you answer them, I promise I will answer your question. Remember, you need to provide proof.

I don't play games and I couldn't care less where you live dude...

I live in Canada. Toronto, specifically.

Beyond your post from a wordpress blog, I have found no proof from a reputable source of your BNA story.

Mister D
03-03-2015, 02:19 PM
I don't play games and I couldn't care less where you live dude...

I live in Canada. Toronto, specifically.

Beyond your post from a wordpress blog, I have found no proof from a reputable source of your BNA story.

You're getting defensive.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:19 PM
I don't play games and I couldn't care less where you live dude...

I live in Canada. Toronto, specifically.

Beyond your post from a wordpress blog, I have found no proof from a reputable source of your BNA story.

If you don't care where I live, why did you ask?

The burden on providing a reputable source rests with you.

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:20 PM
Treasonous is a bit of an understatement. But yes, if we could ship the House Teabags to ANY other country i'd be all for it.

In the meantime, let's cut off Netty's 3.1 billion dollar annual welfare payment. He's obviously quite capable of fending for himself.

http://images.thenews.com.pk/updates_pics/world-Israel-Palestine-UN_7-13-2014_153644_l.jpg

... and he obviously has his own plans the yhe thinks could work better.

If I were Obama; I'd say have at sport ... call me if you need me and I'll check my schedule.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:21 PM
You're getting defensive.

LOL...now you're following me around? Bwhahahaha....:evil::evil::evil::evil:

del
03-03-2015, 02:22 PM
Unfortunately for you, you have overlooked where the burden of proof rests. People who think Obama is American born have a position much like that of a prosecuting lawyer. Their burden of proof is absolute. It's absolute because he was the one who sought the office of president.

On the other hand, our position is much simpler. Don't blame us for having that. You chose the more difficult position on your own.

Our position is much like that of defence lawyer. We don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The only thing we have to show is that there is serious doubt that that he was born in the United States. The records of the British National Archives give us that very reasonable doubt. Those who mock the "birthers" must assuage that doubt. The British National Archives raise questions that YOU MUST ANSWER, such as:

(1) If the child born to Barack Obama Senior in Kenya in 1961 was not the current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(2) If the mother of that child was was not the mother of current occupant of the White House, then who was it?

(3) If that child born in Kenya was not the current occupant of the White House, what happened to him?

(4) If Barack Obama Senior fathered other children, with other women, in that year, in other years, or in other countries, who were they and where are they now?

A newspaper announcement does not constitute proof. A PDF (with different fonts in the age of mechanical typewriters??) does not constitute proof.

Remember, we are not saying the answers do not exist. It simply up to you to provide them.

So mock us all you want. It does not remove the burden of proof from you. If anything, mocking us intensifies your burden of proof.

adjust your meds

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 02:22 PM
Kudos to the Lamestream Media!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb1236x4Yp1qi26uko1_500.jpg

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:22 PM
... and he obviously has his own plans the yhe thinks could work better.

If I were Obama; I'd say have at sport ... call me if you need me and I'll check my schedule.

Muslims call on their Allah guy five times a day.

Doesn't seem to do them much good.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:23 PM
If you don't care where I live, why did you ask?

The burden on providing a reputable source rests with you.

I was just curious and hoping you weren't Canadian.

No, the burden of proof lies with you. You can't just post some bullshit site and expect us all to buy it. The internet is full of the ridiculous. Post something from a legit site or offer some real proof.

Mister D
03-03-2015, 02:23 PM
LOL...now you're following me around? Bwhahahaha....:evil::evil::evil::evil:

You need more emoticons or people will think you're not laughing!

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 02:24 PM
You're getting defensive.
Hows that defensive? We dont have to play his little game. You might, but we dont.

del
03-03-2015, 02:24 PM
Instead of going ad hominem, why not just answer the questions?

Going ad hominem is an admission of epic fail in any debate.

i only debate sentient beings

do you know any?

Mister D
03-03-2015, 02:25 PM
Hows that defensive? We dont have to play his little game. You might, but we dont.

His little game? It's a message board! :laugh:

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 02:25 PM
If you don't care where I live, why did you ask?

The burden on providing a reputable source rests with you.
Why is your bullshit blog any kind of reliable source?

del
03-03-2015, 02:26 PM
I don't have to prove he was born in Kenya. The burden of proof is with you that he was born in the States.

We do know that, according British National Archives, a son was born in Kenya in 1961. If it wasn't the president, then who was it?

someone else

derp

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 02:26 PM
i only debate sentient beings

do you know any?

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608031107469279552&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:27 PM
Hows that defensive? We dont have to play his little game. You might, but we dont.

I said something about religion in another thread. He gets all butthurt when it's mentioned. So much so that he follows me around.

It's amusing to say the least...just watch.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 02:27 PM
ster D;982550]His little game? It's a message board! :laugh:
Yes, game.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:28 PM
I was just curious and hoping you weren't Canadian.

No, the burden of proof lies with you. You can't just post some bull$#@! site and expect us all to buy it. The internet is full of the ridiculous. Post something from a legit site or offer some real proof.

Yours is epic fail.

I have absolutely no burden of proof. I have raised legitimate questions, and nobody can answer them. I am not saying I know the answers either, but those who mock the birthers need to answer them.

Going ad hominem, which is all you have done, is not an answer, and is your acknowledgment of epic fail. I have not gone ad hominem to you. I have simply asked questions.

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 02:28 PM
Obie brushes off The Bibe.


President Barack Obama said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered no "viable alternatives" to nuclear talks with Iran in his address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday. Speaking in the Oval Office alongside Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, Obama said he didn't watch the speech, but had skimmed over Netanyahu's remarks and found "there was nothing new."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/obama-netanyahu-speech_n_6793844.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/35162/obama-brush-ya-shoulders-off-o.gif

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:30 PM
Yours is epic fail.

I have absolutely no burden of proof. I have raised legitimate questions, and nobody can answer them. I am not saying I know the answers either, but those who mock the birthers need to answer them.

Going ad hominem, which is all you have done, is not an answer, and is your acknowledgment of epic fail. I have not gone ad hominem to you. I have simply asked questions.

You are from Uranus. The onus is on you to prove me wrong.

del
03-03-2015, 02:31 PM
When I took my officer's oath, I swore to be loyal to Queen Elizabeth and to her heirs and successors.

My loyalty is, and always has been, to the British Crown.

George Washington broke that oath.

With that POS you have in the White House now, you were better off under George III. I suggest you admit the error of your ways and reaffirm that loyalty.

how's the empire these days?

still got the channel islands?

del
03-03-2015, 02:33 PM
and it seemed to be about kissing obama's ass and asking for more money

business as usual in other words

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 02:33 PM
Yours is epic fail.

I have absolutely no burden of proof. I have raised legitimate questions, and nobody can answer them. I am not saying I know the answers either, but those who mock the birthers need to answer them.

Going ad hominem, which is all you have done, is not an answer, and is your acknowledgment of epic fail. I have not gone ad hominem to you. I have simply asked questions.

I object to your statement that anyone needs to respond to the birthers. The issue of Obama's citizenship was resolved prior to his candidacy and election as a US Senator and later, President. Do you really think that any question of the legitimacy of his citizenship would have been allowed to pass without a complete investigation? Remember, the actual investigation would have been conducted by the FBI under George Bush. The birther movement was and is, simply another issue for the easily led.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:36 PM
I object to your statement that anyone needs to respond to the birthers. The issue of Obama's citizenship was resolved prior to his candidacy and election as a US Senator and later, President. Do you really think that any question of the legitimacy of his citizenship would have been allowed to pass without a complete investigation? Remember, the actual investigation would have been conducted by the FBI under George Bush. The birther movement was and is, simply another issue for the easily led.

When did I ever say I was questioning his citizenship? His mother was American, so that makes him a citizen, just as it does for Ted Cruz.

But there are legitimate questions as where he was actually born.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 02:39 PM
When did I ever say I was questioning his citizenship? His mother was American, so that makes him a citizen, just as it does for Ted Cruz.

But there are legitimate questions as where he was actually born.

then apologies...I thought you were a birther regarding his citizenship. BTW: what difference would it make where he was born? McCain was born outside the US and I believe Cruz was also. As children of American citizens, they are legal Americans, even if born on the moon.

exotix
03-03-2015, 02:39 PM
I thought it ironic when Bohner introduced Bibi to Congress as *His Excellency* ... http://i61.tinypic.com/2gucu2t.gif

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:39 PM
You are from Uranus. The onus is on you to prove me wrong.

I never said you were wrong. Obama may very well have been born in the States. He simply has not proved that beyond any doubt, and it is he who must prove it.

By implying that my questions are not valid, you said I was wrong, and therefore the burden of proof remains with you.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:40 PM
When did I ever say I was questioning his citizenship? His mother was American, so that makes him a citizen, just as it does for Ted Cruz.

But there are legitimate questions as where he was actually born.

Are there though? You haven't shown any. You showed some blog.

I read a blog that said George Bush was a lizard as was Obama. I supposed that needs to be disproven as well?

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:41 PM
I never said you were wrong. Obama may very well have been born in the States. He simply has not proved that beyond any doubt, and it is he who must prove it.

By implying that my questions are not valid, you said I was wrong, and therefore the burden of proof remains with you.

He has proven it to the authorities that matter. He released a birth certificate. He doesn't have to prove to some South American guy that he was born in the USA...

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:41 PM
Chris Matthews just said "I'll get to the heart of this speech now"....





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6TMENCvKk&feature=player_embedded


"...This man from a foreign government walked into the United States legislative Chamber and tried to takeover U.S. Foreign Policy...."


"...He said you should trust me and not your president on this......I am the man you should trust,..I am your true leader on this question of U.S. geo-politics. To protect yourself, you must listen to me and not to this president..."


"...Startling situation,...to allow someone to come in, knowing that was going to be their message in the Chamber of the U.S Congress. This was a decision made by Boehner and certainly complied to by Netanyahu and his Ambassador Dermer. They went into the U.S. Congress to take over U.S. Foreign Policy today from the president. It's a remarkable day when the leaders of the opposition in Congress allowed this to happen..."


"...Think it through....What country in the world would let a foreign leader come in and attempt to rest from the president, control of U.S. Foreign Policy...."


"...This was a takeover attempt by Netanyahu with his complying American partners to take American Foreign Policy out of the hands of the president...."



John Boehner just made a complete Money Ass out of himself, The United States Congress and The United States of America ... way to Go Good Old Party.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:42 PM
Bunch of traitors...

del
03-03-2015, 02:43 PM
i thought it was pretty funny that he went on and on about how awesome obama has been to him.

i think he finally figured out how badly he's been played by boehner

that's gotta suck- realizing you're stooooopid enough to be played by boehner

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:43 PM
I thought it ironic when Bohner introduced Bibi to Congress as *His Excellency* ... http://i61.tinypic.com/2gucu2t.gif


IT's a good thing Bibi Zipper wasn't open ... or Bohner would have sucked in the Top of netenyahu's head. :huh:

del
03-03-2015, 02:44 PM
He has proven it to the authorities that matter. He released a birth certificate. He doesn't have to prove to some South American guy that he was born in the USA...

he's probably in belize

i've read that they have awesome mental health care there...

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:45 PM
i thought it was pretty funny that he went on and on about how awesome obama has been to him.

i think he finally figured out how badly he's been played by boehner

that's gotta suck- realizing you're stooooopid enough to be played by boehner

They played eachther on a National Stage ... The World just seen American Politics at it's most Ignorance :huh:

Sad ... really Sad ... and for what? Just becauce The GOP can't take it.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:46 PM
then apologies...I thought you were a birther regarding his citizenship. BTW: what difference would it make where he was born? McCain was born outside the US and I believe Cruz was also. As children of American citizens, they are legal Americans, even if born on the moon.

McCain was born on an American military base, which gives him the same status as somebody born on American soil.

As for Cruz, and potentially Obama, I am not questioning their citizenship. I question their eligibility to run for president. Maybe they are, but my understanding of the constitution is that they must be born on American soil.

We don't really know for sure where Obama was born. He may very well have been born in Hawaii, but the proof no absolute proof has been given. There is evidence showing that his father had a son born in Kenya in 1961. If it was not the president, then who was it?

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 02:46 PM
You know sometimes you REALLY irritate me. The rest of the time i pity you. Being bitter 100% of the time has gotta suck.

When it comes to Macky, I've evolved to mere pity. ;-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiGFZUnJgqU&spfreload=10

Safety
03-03-2015, 02:47 PM
Who cares? Whatever James Buchanan may have been, it does not change the treasonous acts of your muslim president.

Name one.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:47 PM
He has proven it to the authorities that matter. He released a birth certificate. He doesn't have to prove to some South American guy that he was born in the USA...

It wouldn't take much of a PDF expert to produce what we have seen. No original has been provided.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:48 PM
Now he's a Muslim too. This guy is too funny.

Where do we find these people?

Cigar
03-03-2015, 02:48 PM
i thought it was pretty funny that he went on and on about how awesome obama has been to him.

i think he finally figured out how badly he's been played by boehner

that's gotta suck- realizing you're stooooopid enough to be played by boehner

Yea ... BTW ... can we have another Billion off the Top.

Screw Americans who need that money, screw your Infrastructure ...

http://0.static.wix.com/media/025ad7_239e5a79367351d135864482b9035654.png_1024

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 02:49 PM
I can always tell that I'm whipping ass when libs are speechless and posting pictures for the argument.

A single picture is worth not a thousand ... but rather TEN thousand of your words. ;)

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 02:49 PM
Now he's a Muslim too. This guy is too funny.

Where do we find these people?
The ha-ha farm.

Common Sense
03-03-2015, 02:51 PM
The ha-ha farm.

I'm often surprised that these people are able to feed and shelter themselves...let alone operate a computer.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 02:52 PM
Name one.

I can name three.

He sided with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. He even wanted to commit American military force against Assad on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood until Putin stood him down.

Assad is Alawite. Those opposing him were Sunni. Sunnis did 9/11. Obama wanted to go to bat (i.e., commit American military power) on behalf of the very faction of Islam that did 9/11.

In my opinion, that amounts to treason.

nic34
03-03-2015, 02:55 PM
But there are legitimate questions as where he was actually born.

No there aren't. It is Hawaii.

nic34
03-03-2015, 02:56 PM
I can name three.

He sided with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. He even wanted to commit American military force against Assad on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood until Putin stood him down.

Assad is Alawite. Those opposing him were Sunni. Sunnis did 9/11. Obama wanted to go to bat (i.e., commit American military power) on behalf of the very faction of Islam that did 9/11.

In my opinion, that amounts to treason.

Well, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

Chris
03-03-2015, 02:59 PM
What's a money ass?

http://i.snag.gy/IzWFD.jpg

Safety
03-03-2015, 03:01 PM
I object to your statement that anyone needs to respond to the birthers. The issue of Obama's citizenship was resolved prior to his candidacy and election as a US Senator and later, President. Do you really think that any question of the legitimacy of his citizenship would have been allowed to pass without a complete investigation? Remember, the actual investigation would have been conducted by the FBI under George Bush. The birther movement was and is, simply another issue for the easily led.

https://moonwolves.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/junk_punch2.jpg

nic34
03-03-2015, 03:02 PM
I will give you a hint. I am on the American side of the Atlantic, but not in North America.

Let's see.... British Honduras.....

Safety
03-03-2015, 03:03 PM
I can name three.

He sided with the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. He even wanted to commit American military force against Assad on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood until Putin stood him down.

Assad is Alawite. Those opposing him were Sunni. Sunnis did 9/11. Obama wanted to go to bat (i.e., commit American military power) on behalf of the very faction of Islam that did 9/11.

In my opinion, that amounts to treason.


So basically you have nothing, because your opinion isn't worth the screen real estate on my monitor. I asked for one treasonous act out of many that you claimed Obama committed. Not your opinion.

PolWatch
03-03-2015, 03:04 PM
Multiple threads merged

Safety
03-03-2015, 03:06 PM
It wouldn't take much of a PDF expert to produce what we have seen. No original has been provided.


Well, in that aspect he is 44 of 44 then, because to my knowledge no president has ever produced their original birth certificate.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 03:06 PM
Well, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
Smacks of, "that's my story and I'm sticking' to it." Which is closely akin to, "these are my toys and I'm taking 'Em home."

Either way: he loses.

silvereyes
03-03-2015, 03:08 PM
Well, in that aspect he is 44 of 44 then, because to my knowledge no president has ever produced their original birth certificate.
Or been asked, badgered, demanded, etc. ... to do so.

Safety
03-03-2015, 03:10 PM
Or been asked, badgered, demanded, etc. ... to do so.

It's just blatantly obvious there is only one driver in the birther movement.

DonFrijoles
03-03-2015, 03:11 PM
Now he's a Muslim too. This guy is too funny.

Where do we find these people?

Well....when he says that the sweetest sound he has heard is the muslim call to prayer, that should be enough to make anybody suspicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsnZi-Kn4pU

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/04/in_his_own_words_barack_obama_on_christianity_and_ islam.html


And then he does the Shahada in a good Arabic accent

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/137991


He also said that there is no where in the modern world for those who diss the prophet of islam.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/flashback-obama-2012-future-must-not-belong-those-who-slander-prophet-islam



I like dissing the prophet. It's called freedom of speech. Actually, I don't consider it slander. The truth is not slander.

Cigar
03-03-2015, 03:15 PM
Boehner calls Netanyahu closest ally in fight against Obama

On the eve of the Israeli Prime Minister’s address to Congress, House Speaker John Boehner used a joint press conference to praise Benjamin Netanyahu, calling him “our closest and most important ally in the fight against President Obama.”

“Even as the President threatens us with provocative acts, Prime Minister Netanyahu’s support for us has been unwavering,” Boehner said. “He understands what many of us have long known: that peace with this enemy can only be achieved through total victory.”

Netanyahu had equally high praise for Boehner, saying that “no one has been more steadfast and dedicated in the struggle against your President.”

“This foe is not to be trusted or appeased,” Netanyahu said. “Your resolute refusal to find any common ground with him whatsoever has earned my undying respect.”

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/boehner-calls-netanyahu-closest-ally-in-fight-against-obama

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 03:21 PM
You must've missed Bohner introduce Bibi as *His Excellency*

LOL

REALLY? If so indeed LoL-ish. This Netty clown has said absolutely NOTHING new EVER.

And now he claims that Iran is THREE MONTHS AWAY (aaaaawwwwwwwwk!!) from the biggie!

What stupidity.. the dude offered ZERO in the way of suggested constructive policy which is why Obie went like this:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/35162/obama-brush-ya-shoulders-off-o.gif

domer76
03-03-2015, 03:22 PM
Who cares? Whatever James Buchanan may have been, it does not change the treasonous acts of your muslim president.
You do realize that alot of people are laughing at your delusional posts, don't you? Stop embarrassing yourself

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 03:23 PM
Do you ever stop obsessing over muzlims?

No, which of our friends on the far right ever does?

Safety
03-03-2015, 03:26 PM
Well....when he says that the sweetest sound he has heard is the muslim call to prayer, that should be enough to make anybody suspicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsnZi-Kn4pU

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/04/in_his_own_words_barack_obama_on_christianity_and_ islam.html


And then he does the Shahada in a good Arabic accent

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/137991


He also said that there is no where in the modern world for those who diss the prophet of islam.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/flashback-obama-2012-future-must-not-belong-those-who-slander-prophet-islam



I like dissing the prophet. It's called freedom of speech. Actually, I don't consider it slander. The truth is not slander.

Still not a shred of proof anywhere in that post. I suggest finding Protectionist and picking up some pointers on how to run a proper propaganda witch hunt.

domer76
03-03-2015, 03:26 PM
When I took my officer's oath, I swore to be loyal to Queen Elizabeth and to her heirs and successors.

My loyalty is, and always has been, to the British Crown.

George Washington broke that oath.

With that POS you have in the White House now, you were better off under George III. I suggest you admit the error of your ways and reaffirm that loyalty.
Ah, so you're some pissant foreigner "informing" us of our President. Advice to you - fuck off

domer76
03-03-2015, 03:30 PM
I'm often surprised that these people are able to feed and shelter themselves...let alone operate a computer.

No shit!

Bo-4
03-03-2015, 03:34 PM
BOOM.. that's it!!!

Major backfire, and this was PRIOR to his nonsensical ploy.

Nearly half of American voters think that Republican lawmakers should not have invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to a joint session of Congress without first notifying President Barack Obama, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey finds.Some 48% of registered voters said they disapproved of inviting another leader to speak without first checking with the president, while 30% said congressional Republicans should have done so. Just over a fifth said they didn’t know enough to say.

Peter1469
03-03-2015, 03:34 PM
Link (https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/netanyahu-obama-and-geopolitics-speeches)

This speech was all about politics, on both sides of the debate, and it will not change the relationship between Israel and the United States, such as it is.


Let us begin with the obvious. First, this is a speech, and it is unlikely that Netanyahu could say anything new on the subject of Iran, given that he never stops talking about it. Second, everyone involved is grandstanding. They are politicians, and that's what they do. Third, the idea that U.S.-Israeli relations can be shredded by a grandstanding speech is preposterous. If that's all it takes, relations are already shredded.


Speeches aside, there is no question that U.S.-Israeli relations (https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/new-reality-us-israeli-relations) have been changing substantially since the end of the Cold War, and that change, arrested for a while after 9/11, has created distance and tension between the countries. Netanyahu's speech is merely a symptom of the underlying reality. There are theatrics, there are personal animosities, but presidents and prime ministers come and go. What is important are the interests that bind or separate nations, and the interests of Israel and the United States have to some extent diverged. It is the divergence of interests we must focus on, particularly because there is a great deal of mythology around the U.S.-Israeli relationship created by advocates of a close relationship, opponents of the relationship, and foreign enemies of one or both countries.