David Petraeus to plead Guilty

[exotix]

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David Petraeus, Former CIA Director, to Plead Guilty to Mishandling Classified Information

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/03/390443553/petraeus-enters-into-plea-agreement-on-criminal-chargehttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/david-petraeus-former-cia-director-plead-guilty-mishandling-classified-information-n316411

Former CIA Director David Petraeus will plead guilty to mishandling classified information, a Department of Justice spokesperson said Tuesday.

The plea agreement outlines the terms in which prosecutors will recommend a sentence of two years of probation, with no jail time, and a $40,000 fine.

Petraeus, a retired four-star general and once America's top official in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, became CIA director in 2011.

The question has been whether he gave classified information to a woman who was writing a book about him and who was also his mistress.

Petraeus acknowledged the affair when he stepped down in 2012 after leading the CIA for about a year.

In its complaint, the government accused Petraeus of giving the biographer access to eight "black books" that contained classified information about his experience in Afghanistan, including his daily schedule and notes he took during meetings and briefings.



David Petraeus' and former mistress Paula Broadwell

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/11/article-2417733-1BC2C179000005DC-565_634x615.jpg

[Cigar]

The Undeniable Power of Women :grin:

They can make you do anything. :laugh:

[exotix]

The Undeniable Power of Women :grin:

They can make you do anything. :laugh:
I wonder when Bush and the neocons knew about his philandering and with classified material.

[Private Pickle]

I wonder when Bush and the neocons knew about his philandering and with classified material.

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.

[Mister D]

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.

:laugh: You cleared this thread.

[PolWatch]

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.

welcome to year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....kinda hard to tell where one stops and the other starts....

[SoonToBe2LT]

I wonder when Bush and the neocons knew about his philandering and with classified material.

Bush left almost 4 years prior to him even accepting the appointment of this position.

*Cue sad violin

[Private Pickle]

welcome to year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....kinda hard to tell where one stops and the other starts....

Only for the mindless sheep.

[exotix]

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.
You have a point ... I wonder if the classified material was about how Obama won the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars.



In its complaint, the government accused Petraeus of giving the biographer access to eight "black books" that contained classified information about his experience in Afghanistan, including his daily schedule and notes he took during meetings and briefings.

[SoonToBe2LT]

welcome to year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....kinda hard to tell where one stops and the other starts....

Policies are concerned? Couldn't agree with you more.

[Private Pickle]

You have a point ... I wonder if the classified material was about how Obama won the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars.

Doubtful given Obama is still fighting in Afghanistan and sending troops back to Iraq given the miserable failure of leaving before the job was done.

[sachem]

The whole situation is sad. He was stupid, but I feel sad about it.

[Cigar]

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.

I'm sure back 2010, President Barack Obama was playing match maker for Generals ... rather than fighting with Congress :laugh:

[PolWatch]

I don't understand a lot of things but one of the largest areas of confusion for me is WHAT IS DIFFERENT? The issues that Senator Obama criticized, he immediately renewed & continued as President Obama. Look at some of his speeches about how bad the Patriot Act was, how it was so easily abused...who continued & expanded the PA? hint....GWB was long gone from the WH.

[Cigar]

The whole situation is sad. He was stupid, but I feel sad about it.

I sure hope she was worth it :laugh:

[exotix]

Doubtful given Obama is still fighting in Afghanistan and sending troops back to Iraq given the miserable failure of leaving before the job was done.
My apology ... I thought Patreaus was key in winning the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars like the neocons said .... oh wait ...


Dick Cheney Tells GOP It's Time To Restart The Iraq War Machine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/dick-cheney-iraq_n_5791770.html

[sachem]

I sure hope she was worth it :laugh:We are.

[Mister D]

I don't understand a lot of things but one of the largest areas of confusion for me is WHAT IS DIFFERENT? The issues that Senator Obama criticized, he immediately renewed & continued as President Obama. Look at some of his speeches about how bad the Patriot Act was, how it was so easily abused...who continued & expanded the PA? hint....GWB was long gone from the WH.

There is a great deal of agreement in the halls of power about general policy.

[Mister D]

We are.

Some of you

[Private Pickle]

I'm sure back 2010, President Barack Obama was playing match maker for Generals ... rather than fighting with Congress :laugh:

Didn't you hear? This was a conspiracy by Bush and the Neocons...

[pragmatic]

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.


Ouch.

That's gonna leave a mark...

[Mister D]

Didn't you hear? This was a conspiracy by Bush and the Neocons...

Cigar couldn't bothered with context or even the topic at times.

[Private Pickle]

My apology ... I thought Patreaus was key in winning the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars like the neocons said .... oh wait ...


Dick Cheney Tells GOP It's Time To Restart The Iraq War Machine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/dick-cheney-iraq_n_5791770.html

Patreaus was key to the surge which worked and started to stabilize the country. We never won... We left too early..

[exotix]

Ouch.

That's gonna leave a mark...
Iraq & Afghanistan ... Obamas' fault .. http://s8.tinypic.com/wugq4g_th.jpg

[Mister D]

Exotix, you're just babbling now. I'm almost sorry I taunted you. :undecided:

[pragmatic]

Petraeus was an excellent leader in the military. And pretty decent at it in civilian life.

He just f*cked up there at the end.


In his defense, she was sorta hot. Men have tumbled from the mountain for lesser babes.....

[exotix]

Patreaus was key to the surge which worked and started to stabilize the country. We never won... We left too early..
Yes ?

What was the Surge anyway ? ... and lemme help you out ..



Counterinsurgency: FM 3-24 (2006)

http://olive-drab.com/gallery/photos/fm-3-24-counterinsurgency_500.jpg

[Cigar]

Patreaus was key to the surge which worked and started to stabilize the country. We never won... We left too early..

Win what? What The Fork is there to Win? Haven't you been paying attention for the last 3 decades?

You'll NEVER Kill That Last Terrorest ... it's never has been done and never will be done.

Neo-Right-Wing-Nuts will never get fact into their thick skull until we start sending those idiots to fight their own neverending Wars. The sooner we ship those motons off to figet theri War or the sooner they just die off, the better we'll all be.

[Bo-4]

Bedroom eyes gonna git ya every time!

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/paula175419-525x415.jpg

[pragmatic]

Iraq & Afghanistan ... Obamas' fault .. http://s8.tinypic.com/wugq4g_th.jpg

What are you even talking about....?

[Cigar]

Petraeus was an excellent leader in the military. And pretty decent at it in civilian life.

He just f*cked up there at the end.


In his defense, she was sorta hot. Men have tumbled from the mountain for lesser babes.....

Not the Smart Ones :grin:

[Cigar]

Bedroom eyes gonna git ya every time!

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/paula175419-525x415.jpg

Dude ... trust me, it wasn't her Eyes he was poking :laugh:

[exotix]

Exotix, you're just babbling now. I'm almost sorry I taunted you. :undecided:
What are you even talking about....?
My apology ... I keep forgetting Obama invaded Iraq & Afghanistan.

[Common]

Its a shame, he was a great general. Another man who fell prey to lust

[Bo-4]

Dude ... trust me, it wasn't her Eyes he was poking :laugh:

Hmmm .. what to poke, that or this? ;)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121113042944-holly-petraeus-story-top.jpg

[Cigar]

Hmmm .. what to poke, that or this? ;)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121113042944-holly-petraeus-story-top.jpg

Everyone needs Love ... you can have my turn. :grin:

[Bo-4]

Everyone needs Love ... you can have my turn. :grin:

You're a giver! :biglaugh:

[Cigar]

You're a giver! :biglaugh:

My schedule is Full and The Line is Long :grin:

[Private Pickle]

So now that your OP has been completely shredded you're looking to deflect. The only point you had was your typical Bush bashing. You got spanked which you probably enjoy. Just admit it and move on.

[Private Pickle]

Yes. We did it wrong. We certainly could have won and still can but the American public doesn't have the stomach for it.

[DonFrijoles]

The Undeniable Power of Women :grin:

They can make you do anything. :laugh:

For Obama it wouldn't be women.

It would be Reggie Love, Kal Penn, and Larry Sinclair.

Maybe Rahm Emmanuel?

[Bo-4]

My schedule is Full and The Line is Long :grin:

Gotta love it when they form a line!

http://beautypageantnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Erin-Brady-Miss-USA-2013-Olivia-Wells-Miss-Universe-Australia-2013-and-Rebeka-Karpati-Miss-Universe-Hungary-2013-350x350.jpg

[Peter1469]

The whole situation is sad. He was stupid, but I feel sad about it.

Great name for the book. All In.

[DonFrijoles]

Great name for the book. All In.

I am guessing that she was willing.

[Peter1469]

Certainly.

[exotix]

So now that your OP has been completely shredded you're looking to deflect. The only point you had was your typical Bush bashing. You got spanked which you probably enjoy. Just admit it and move on.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/05/world/middleeast/05military.html?n=Top/News/World/Countries and Territories/Iraq?ref=iraq&_r=0

I was .. in fact post #33 states this ... in fact Obama named Petraeus as top American military commander in Iraq (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) as part of a broad revamping of the military team that will carry out the administration’s new Iraq strategy back on Jan.5, 2007


My apology ... I keep forgetting Obama invaded Iraq & Afghanistan.

[Cigar]

Yes. We did it wrong. We certainly could have won and still can but the American public doesn't have the stomach for it.

Win What?

Then GO put on a Uniform and go get our Trophy

[Private Pickle]

Been there. Done that.

[del]

Patreaus was key to the surge which worked and started to stabilize the country. We never won... We left too early..

i guess bush shouldn't have agreed to leave in 2011 and obama should have repudiated the agreement.

[del]

Yes. We did it wrong. We certainly could have won and still can but the American public doesn't have the stomach for it.

you misspelled "even the american people aren't stupid enough to go back to a no-win situation"

[Private Pickle]

you misspelled "even the american people aren't stupid enough to go back to a no-win situation"

Yet here we are.

[Professor Peabody]

Just In

David Petraeus, Former CIA Director, to Plead Guilty to Mishandling Classified Information

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/03/390443553/petraeus-enters-into-plea-agreement-on-criminal-chargehttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/david-petraeus-former-cia-director-plead-guilty-mishandling-classified-information-n316411

Former CIA Director David Petraeus will plead guilty to mishandling classified information, a Department of Justice spokesperson said Tuesday.

The plea agreement outlines the terms in which prosecutors will recommend a sentence of two years of probation, with no jail time, and a $40,000 fine.

Petraeus, a retired four-star general and once America's top official in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, became CIA director in 2011.

The question has been whether he gave classified information to a woman who was writing a book about him and who was also his mistress.

Petraeus acknowledged the affair when he stepped down in 2012 after leading the CIA for about a year.

In its complaint, the government accused Petraeus of giving the biographer access to eight "black books" that contained classified information about his experience in Afghanistan, including his daily schedule and notes he took during meetings and briefings.



David Petraeus' and former mistress Paula Broadwell

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/11/article-2417733-1BC2C179000005DC-565_634x615.jpg

Maybe Hillary can hire his lawyer?

[Captain Obvious]

She looks like she's the kind of woman who eats her partner after sex.

[Bob]

Disgraced General that replaced the honorable Gen. McChrystal has met justice up close.

David Petraeus will plead guilty to providing his mistress and biographer with classified information, the Justice Departmentannounced Tuesday (http://news.yahoo.com/petraeus-plead-guilty-spilling-secrets-mistress-174511142.html).

Though largely overshadowed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s congressional address, Petraeus's plea agreement — no jail time, two years probation, and a $40,000 fine — is the culmination of one of the biggest political scandals of the past decade.

Only a couple of years ago, anything involving the disgraced four-star general — who resigned from his position as CIA director in November 2012 after the FBI discovered he’d had an extramarital affair with the U.S. Army Intelligence Officer who wrote his biography — would have been the leading news of the day. From his former biographer turned lover to the Florida socialite who helped uncover their affair to the FBI agent who became a little too involved in the case, the Petraeus scandal boasted a cast of characters befitting the real-life soap opera that it was. Yet the relatively little fanfare surrounding Petraeus's plea deal Tuesday is perhaps proof of how quickly such scandals flame out once they’ve exploded.

http://news.yahoo.com/the-petraeus-scandal--where-are-they-now-010846840.html

[Bob]

Disgraced General that replaced the honorable Gen. McChrystal has met justice up close.


David Petraeus will plead guilty to providing his mistress and biographer with classified information, the Justice Departmentannounced Tuesday (http://news.yahoo.com/petraeus-plead-guilty-spilling-secrets-mistress-174511142.html).

Though largely overshadowed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s congressional address, Petraeus's plea agreement — no jail time, two years probation, and a $40,000 fine — is the culmination of one of the biggest political scandals of the past decade.

Only a couple of years ago, anything involving the disgraced four-star general — who resigned from his position as CIA director in November 2012 after the FBI discovered he’d had an extramarital affair with the U.S. Army Intelligence Officer who wrote his biography — would have been the leading news of the day. From his former biographer turned lover to the Florida socialite who helped uncover their affair to the FBI agent who became a little too involved in the case, the Petraeus scandal boasted a cast of characters befitting the real-life soap opera that it was. Yet the relatively little fanfare surrounding Petraeus's plea deal Tuesday is perhaps proof of how quickly such scandals flame out once they’ve exploded.

http://news.yahoo.com/the-petraeus-scandal--where-are-they-now-010846840.html[/QUOTE]

[Cigar]

Guilty ... He Tapped Dat-Ass :laugh:

[Peter1469]

I am not sure he is so disgraced. Word is that he is still very powerful and active duty generals won't cross him.

[Peter1469]

Notice: Duplicate threads merged

[Bob]

welcome to year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....kinda hard to tell where one stops and the other starts....


Wonder why Obama blames Bush all the time.

I am amazed you can't tell the vast difference in the two presidents.

[pragmatic]

I am not sure he is so disgraced. Word is that he is still very powerful and active duty generals won't cross him.

Agree.

[birddog]

The General got screwed in more ways than one. When you deal with Obama, H. Clinton, and their cohorts, anything can happen.

The best thing Obama could do is put him back in charge in the ME and do what he says.

I have listened to the General speak, and have met him briefly, and I think he's one of the greatest generals we have had.

[exotix]

Just In

David Petraeus to be sentenced today

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-cia-chief-will-be-sentenced-for-leaking-military-secrets/ar-AAbyrYV?ocid=iehp

Petraeus will appear at the sentencing, which comes two months after he agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material.

The plea agreement carries a possible sentence of up to a year in prison.

In court papers, prosecutors recommended two years of probation and a $40,000 fine.

But the judge is not bound by that and could still impose a prison sentence.

[maineman]

The General got screwed in more ways than one. When you deal with Obama, H. Clinton, and their cohorts, anything can happen.

The best thing Obama could do is put him back in charge in the ME and do what he says.

I have listened to the General speak, and have met him briefly, and I think he's one of the greatest generals we have had.

except for the fact that he committed adultery with her..... a violation of Art. 134 of the UCMJ..... there's that.

I guess generals who willfully violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice are perfectly OK in your book.

not in mine.

[Peter1469]

except for the fact that he committed adultery with her..... a violation of Art. 134 of the UCMJ..... there's that.

I guess generals who willfully violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice are perfectly OK in your book.

not in mine.

He is not in a military court.

I doubt that the Army could recall him to active duty to prosecute the adultery. And I doubt they would. Petraeus is still more powerful than current 4 star generals. Not sure why. Perhaps he knows where "the bodies are buried." And that also might be why the FBI kept this investigation going on for so long. They bought his silence.

[Venus]

welcome to year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....kinda hard to tell where one stops and the other starts....


Right because we wouldn't want to place any blame for the last 7 years solely on the shoulders of Obama

[maineman]

He is not in a military court.

I doubt that the Army could recall him to active duty to prosecute the adultery. And I doubt they would.


Did I ever say he was????

Did he violate Article 134 of the UCMJ or not?

[Peter1469]

Did I ever say he was????

Did he violate Article 134 of the UCMJ or not?
A federal court is not going to hear any violations of the UCMJ.

I could make an argument that he did not violate article 134, but that is straying off topic.

[CreepyOldDude]

I wonder if you realize this happened under Obama.

The last part did, but Petraeus started keeping the notebooks while he was commanding in Iraq, under Bush. Apparently, the notebooks contained classified information, including the names of some US operatives in Afghanistan. Stuff that should never have left a secure facility.

I doubt that either Bush or Obama knew he was writing such classified things down, and taking them home.

It's actually kind of bizarre, to me. We had some truly flaky officers, back when I was in Nam. But I find it hard to imagine even Major Flake, who I know for a fact enjoyed an occasional roach joint, writing down classified shit, and taking it home. (No, his real name wasn't Flake. It's just what everyone called him.)

[CreepyOldDude]

One thing that gets me is, Petraeus' mistress wasn't particularly hot. I can't imagine cheating on my wife, but if I were going to, it would have to be someone insanely smoking hot. Otherwise, what's the point of risking hurting someone you love?

[CreepyOldDude]

Did I ever say he was????

Did he violate Article 134 of the UCMJ or not?

No way to know. From what I've seen, they both claim the affair started after he resigned. If so, then, no, he didn't, since it doesn't affect civilians. If they're lying, and it started earlier, then yes.

But why focus on that? He was writing down classified information, and keeping it in an unsecured location. And then he shared said classified notes with his biographer. This is not sound judgement, under any circumstances I can imagine.

[Bob]

I wonder when Bush and the neocons knew about his philandering and with classified material.

They found out after Obama put him into the CIA.

Is this going to be a smarmy attack on Bush who was long not the president? LOL

[CreepyOldDude]

The General got screwed in more ways than one. When you deal with Obama, H. Clinton, and their cohorts, anything can happen.

The best thing Obama could do is put him back in charge in the ME and do what he says.

I have listened to the General speak, and have met him briefly, and I think he's one of the greatest generals we have had.

I also felt he was a great general, but he showed seriously sketchy judgement about classified information, long before the affair. Which means that he really wasn't a very good general.

[pragmatic]

General Petraeus has been a great soldier and patriot to the country. If he has screwed up regarding the hot babe then he needs to be held accountable for his actions.

But i seriously doubt he will face any time incarcerated. If that were to occur it would be a politically motivated travesty.

[Peter1469]

2 years probation, and $100K fine.

No jail, but the judge uped the fine big time.

[Peter1469]

So he will be silenced for 2 years. That gets the dems through the next election cycle.

[pragmatic]

So he will be silenced for 2 years. That gets the dems through the next election cycle.


Interesting take...

[Peter1469]

Interesting take...

This sort of thing is usually covered up (at this level). There was a reason he was silenced.

[exotix]

2 years probation, and $100K fine.

No jail, but the judge uped the fine big time.
Petraeus gets Probation, Fine for Leaking Secrets

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-cia-director-petraeus-be-sentenced-leaking-classified-material-n346906

Video Inside

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDSOsVHWYAA10KP.jpg:large

[CreepyOldDude]

This sort of thing is usually covered up (at this level). There was a reason he was silenced.

I'd argue that he's getting off incredibly lightly. John C. Kiriakou got 30 months in federal prison for leaking the name of a covert operative to a reporter. Petraeus leaked more than one covert operative name, and a shitload of other classified info, and got probation. Kiriakou was charged with a felony, for leaking one name, Petraeus was charged with a misdemeanor for leaking multiple names, along with said shitload of other classified information. Others have gotten as much as 30 years for leaking less classified information as the General.

(Surprisingly, shitload is apparently in the spell-check dictionary. :) )

I have no doubt that a large part of the reason he's getting off so lightly, is that a trial would make the administration look bad, since the actual leaks occurred after Obama made him Director of the CIA.