Alabama Supreme Court Orders Judges to Stop Gay Marriages

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The Supreme Court of Alabama ordered all the state's probate judges late Tuesday to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples ...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-supreme-court-orders-judges-stop-gay-marriages-n316861

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In the latest salvo in a growing legal battle in Alabama over whether the decisions of federal justices trump those made by state judges.

The clash of federal rights versus state rights is also playing out nationwide as states opposed to same-sex marriage argue that federal courts can't throw out state gay marriage bans.

The legal tempest comes months before the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether or not gays and lesbians can get married nationwide.

In Alabama, a series of state and federal judges have gone back and forth over the issue, with the U.S. Supreme Court recently refusing to block a U.S. District Court judge's ruling overturning the state's gay marriage ban — a move that allowed gay nuptials to begin there on Feb. 9.


But the Alabama supreme court's decision threw the issue into question once more after a challenge was brought by the state and a county probate judge, among others.

The court said Alabama wasn't bound by what it called the "new definition" of marriage, though gay marriage has "gained ascendancy in certain quarters of the country, even if one of those quarters is the federal judiciary."

"As it has done for approximately two centuries, Alabama law allows for 'marriage' between only one man and one woman," the court said.

"Alabama probate judges have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary to this law. Nothing in the United States Constitution alters or overrides this duty."

In its ruling, the state supreme court said all of Alabama's probate judges, including those listed as "Judge Does" in the legal filings, "are ordered to discontinue the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples."

The probate judges have five days to respond to the order.


Jefferson County courthouse Birmingham, Alabama

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[Peter1469]

Didn't they do that already?

[iustitia]

Don't worry, the 'queer nation' will score another 'victory' through the feds. Yay democracy.

[TrueBlue]

It's just incredible how the state thinks they can override a Federal Court's decision. They can't. But had the Federal and Appellate Courts ruled in their favor they would be the very first touting that decision. What hypocrites! And they will find out further when the SCOTUS (also Federal) rules on this and gives their final and permanent decision. But this just goes to show how incredibly in love with spending hard-earned citizen tax dollars Conservatives are in continuing to fight an unbeatable fight to the tune of Millions. Everyone must take good note of this whenever Republicans try to tell you that they are for streamlining government and for less spending. Yeah, right they are! Sure they are! http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/117.gif

[TrueBlue]

Don't worry, the 'queer nation' will score another 'victory' through the feds. Yay democracy.
You bet they will and you will be secretly cheering and joining them in that decision when it comes. You just know you will so don't try denying it.

[Howey]

Didn't they do that already?
Look who leads the Al supreme court.

Roy Moore.

[iustitia]

You bet they will and you will be secretly cheering and joining them in that decision when it comes. You just know you will so don't try denying it.

Does increasing your creepy factor get you a raise at Hillary HQ or something?

[TrueBlue]

Does increasing your creepy factor get you a raise at Hillary HQ or something?
No. But your always talking about Gay matters every chance you get sure seems to give you a "raise." http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/animated/57.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/animated/56.gif

[Cthulhu]

No. But your always talking about Gay matters every chance you get sure seems to give you a "raise." http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/animated/57.gif http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/animated/56.gif
You typically flood the board with this stuff. People comment on it.

Deal with it.

That being said, getting personal is going to cost you if you don't reign it in. Post gay stuff within reason, but don't cozy up to people all creepy like.

Nobody wins that way.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[TrueBlue]

You typically flood the board with this stuff. People comment on it.

Deal with it.

That being said, getting personal is going to cost you if you don't reign it in. Post gay stuff within reason, but don't cozy up to people all creepy like.

Nobody wins that way.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.
Ah, but you can't ever seem to resist "biting" can you? :)


"That being said, getting personal is going to cost you if you don't reign it in."
If you're talking political battles those battles have just about been won at the Federal Court level and continue to win as we speak.

[zelmo1234]

Ah, but you can't ever seem to resist "biting" can you? :)


If you're talking political battles those battles have just about been won at the Federal Court level and continue to win as we speak.

I think that it is funny that you are talking about a Political Battle, and then having to have the courts decide it!

did you win the hearts and minds of the people???? NO! there has still never been a state that voted to support Gay marriage.

Next of course you will go after the businesses and Churches that for Religious reasons don't want to be part of your weddings. So did you change their hearts and minds? NO!

And last but not least you will not be able to win the final battle. Your chosen lifestyle is in the eyes of God as sin! Just like my second marriage is adultery nothing I can do about it!

So you still need to be forgiven for your chosen lifestyle So congratulations on your victory, though it appears that it will always be a hollow one!

[Cthulhu]

I think that it is funny that you are talking about a Political Battle, and then having to have the courts decide it!

did you win the hearts and minds of the people???? NO! there has still never been a state that voted to support Gay marriage.

Next of course you will go after the businesses and Churches that for Religious reasons don't want to be part of your weddings. So did you change their hearts and minds? NO!

And last but not least you will not be able to win the final battle. Your chosen lifestyle is in the eyes of God as sin! Just like my second marriage is adultery nothing I can do about it!

So you still need to be forgiven for your chosen lifestyle So congratulations on your victory, though it appears that it will always be a hollow one!
I think if they try to force churches to perform gay weddings that there will be bloodshed on a scale that america hasn't seen in a long time.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Captain Obvious]

Didn't they do that already?

Deja vu

[domer76]

I think that it is funny that you are talking about a Political Battle, and then having to have the courts decide it!

did you win the hearts and minds of the people???? NO! there has still never been a state that voted to support Gay marriage.

Next of course you will go after the businesses and Churches that for Religious reasons don't want to be part of your weddings. So did you change their hearts and minds? NO!

And last but not least you will not be able to win the final battle. Your chosen lifestyle is in the eyes of God as sin! Just like my second marriage is adultery nothing I can do about it!

So you still need to be forgiven for your chosen lifestyle So congratulations on your victory, though it appears that it will always be a hollow one!
Equal treatment under the law doesn't, and shouldn't, give a fuck about the hearts and minds of people like you. It's obvious you have no heart and, with your God and sin and final battle bullshit, you have no useful mind to win over.

Civil rights laws of the 60s didn't have to win the hearts and minds of bigots. There will always be bigots. The law can only punish the pigfuckers who practice discrimination, not change their attitudes.

Nobody who is a proponent of equal treatment under the laws wants or seeks your forgiveness. Or gives one flying shit for the forgiveness of whatever fucked up version of the god you worship. You and yours can keep that kind of god. It has no place in our laws and our society.

Alabama and people like you are going to lose this one. What are you going to do then? Crawl back in your hole? Other than those who will then be able to marry, the rest of us won't see one change in our lives.

[Common]

Indian Rope Burn: At first its not even annoying, then it starts to burn, then it becomes very painful and intolerable.

Gays have made great strides and in doing so, they have not only been empowered, they have become incredibly overbearing to the degree they act like they can force their will on everyone else, whenever they choose. WRONG: They are going to go to far and this whole thing is going to get turned around on them.

Two of my son in laws are Police Officers, one is in a city in an area with alot of gays and gay bars. He said its incredible that you answer a call that is clearly caused by a gay or a group of gays and almost every single time they are screaming its a HATE CRIME he called me a faggot and screaming and carrying on.
You cannot keep annoying and aggravating people and pushing them into a corner and believe its not going to eventuallyh cause a backlash, its going to get worse. Its going to get to a point where the people that are ambivalent towards gays will start to change. All the laws in the world cant make people "LIKE" you and not turn thier back on you.

It would behoove the gay community to fight for their rights without PURPOSELY being in peoples face gloating and breaking their balls. That is going to backfire.

Trueblue, I think youre a nice person but you are all of the above without being gay.
You would do much better for your cause if you stop making it personal. People believe what you are doing is intended to just aggravate them daily and piss them off. I see it that way too.

The results you are getting are just the opposite of what your are looking for.

[Reason10]

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The Alabama Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the state's probate judges to stop issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, a decision that flies in the face of numerous rulings by federal judges in Alabama and other states across the country who have said banning gay marriage violates the U.S. Constitution.
The all-Republican court sided with a pair of conservative organizations Tuesday in ruling that the U.S. Constitution doesn't alter the judges' duty to administer state law, which defines marriage as between only one man and one woman.
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Six justices concurred in the 134-page opinion, which wasn't signed, but the court's most outspoken opponent of gay marriage, Chief Justice Roy Moore, recused himself.
Gay marriages began in some Alabama counties on Feb. 9 following a decision by U.S. District Judge Callie Granade of Mobile, who ruled that both Alabama's constitutional and statutory bans on same-sex marriage were unconstitutional.
Immediately after the judge's ruling, Moore told probate judges across the state they were not obliged to issue same-sex marriage licenses. His stance created widespread confusion, prompting some judges to refuse to issue the licenses and others to shut down their operations for all couples, gay and straight, until they could get a clear answer.
The court's ruling Tuesday came in response to a request from the Alabama Policy Institute and the Baptist-run Alabama Citizens Action Program to halt same-sex unions after Granade's ruling.


To bring everyone up to speed, the CITIZENS of Alabama instructed their LEGISLATURE to define marriage as a union ONLY between a man and a woman (which is the way it is supposed to be, ASSBUTT). That was the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, something liberal douchebags dishonestly claim to be for. Then an unelected left wing bag of used Massengale OVERTURNED the will of the people. Now the Alabama State Supreme Court has REAFFIRMED THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Score:
The People=1
Assbutts=0

Sorry guys.
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[Captain Obvious]

4th time this week

[Common]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/03/ala-supreme-court-halts-same-sex-marriage/?intcmp=latestnews



To bring everyone up to speed, the CITIZENS of Alabama instructed their LEGISLATURE to define marriage as a union ONLY between a man and a woman (which is the way it is supposed to be, ASSBUTT). That was the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, something liberal douchebags dishonestly claim to be for. Then an unelected left wing bag of used Massengale OVERTURNED the will of the people. Now the Alabama State Supreme Court has REAFFIRMED THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Score:
The People=1
Assbutts=0

Sorry guys.
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It wont last, the feds will pass gay marriage and over ride alamaba and all other states.
Better make sure you dont have any holes in your drawers you may get an unwelcome guest

[Captain Obvious]

Not the feds jurisdiction, or shouldn't be.

[Common]

Not the feds jurisdiction, or shouldn't be.

The Scotus will pass it, is what I meant

[PolWatch]

Duplicate threads merged

[Reason10]

Good. The will of the people has prevailed.

Sorry guys.
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[Common]

Good. The will of the people has prevailed.

Sorry guys.
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lol DUH now pay attention as soon as it goes in front of the Supreme Court, you are going to get invited to a gay wedding, buy an appropriate gift and get it ready

[domer76]

Not the feds jurisdiction, or shouldn't be.
The Biil of Rights is intended to protect the rights of the individual, not the state

[Captain Obvious]

The Biil of Rights is intended to protect the rights of the individual, not the state

Awesome!

Marriage is a right?

[domer76]

Awesome!

Marriage is a right?

This is a 14th Amendment and civil rights issue. You can split hairs about whether it's a right or not, but it's really about equal treatment under the law, rights or no rights. Alabama will lose on this one. Eventually, I do see marriage equality becoming a fully recognized right. For now, the 14th will have to do.

[Howey]

Good. The will of the people has prevailed.

Sorry guys.
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For some reason, I have the idea you really think that's what all gays look like.

And nothing is accomplished by Roy Moore's action. A federal judge will again slap him down. btw...Why wasn't he identified as the perp in the OP?

All he's doing is setting the stage for removal from office. Again.

[Captain Obvious]

For some reason, I have the idea you really think that's what all gays look like.

And nothing is accomplished by Roy Moore's action. A federal judge will again slap him down. btw...Why wasn't he identified as the perp in the OP?

All he's doing is setting the stage for removal from office. Again.

Lesbians - they don't look like Howard Stern lesbians, they're more likely to look like Pete Rose.

[Captain Obvious]

This is a 14th Amendment and civil rights issue. You can split hairs about whether it's a right or not, but it's really about equal treatment under the law, rights or no rights. Alabama will lose on this one. Eventually, I do see marriage equality becoming a fully recognized right. For now, the 14th will have to do.

So is divorce a right too?

How about a sex change operation?

Beastiality? That a right too?

[domer76]

So is divorce a right too?

How about a sex change operation?

Beastiality? That a right too?

Why do you insist on turning this into your own personal stupidity stage? Stick to the topic.

[Captain Obvious]

Why do you insist on turning this into your own personal stupidity stage? Stick to the topic.

I just wanted to make shit up too.

[domer76]

I just wanted to make shit up too.
Here's some not made up shit.

1-Alabama will lose this
2- Marriage equality will be nationwide
3-It won't change one fucking thing in your life or mine.

[Captain Obvious]

Here's some not made up shit.

1-Alabama will lose this
2- Marriage equality will be nationwide
3-It won't change one fucking thing in your life or mine.

http://www.troll.me/images/lil-jon/okay-thumb.jpg

[PolWatch]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This has been used in defense of rights that go from education in the civil rights era to the decision in Florida regarding election recounts. It is the same statement that will be enforced, eventually, regarding gay marriage.

[TrueBlue]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This has been used in defense of rights that go from education in the civil rights era to the decision in Florida regarding election recounts. It is the same statement that will be enforced, eventually, regarding gay marriage.
Hear! Hear!!

[Captain Obvious]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This has been used in defense of rights that go from education in the civil rights era to the decision in Florida regarding election recounts. It is the same statement that will be enforced, eventually, regarding gay marriage.

How so?

I'm not arguing against gay marriage btw, anyone who knows me knows I'm a defacto supporter of it. I just want to hear the fed vs. state take.

[Mister D]

Lesbians - they don't look like Howard Stern lesbians, they're more likely to look like Pete Rose.

yeah, they don't look like the do in pornos.

[domer76]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This has been used in defense of rights that go from education in the civil rights era to the decision in Florida regarding election recounts. It is the same statement that will be enforced, eventually, regarding gay marriage.
Thanks. I was just about to post the 14th Amendment for the Constitutionally illiterate, but you beat me to it.

[PolWatch]

If Americans have the right to marry...laws limiting that right are illegal. This was already upheld in the cases involving anti-miscegenation laws. If the federal government had not involved itself in the issue, they could punt to the states on this but.... Equal protection under the law is deemed to be guaranteed by the Constitution which trumps state laws.

I don't believe any religion issue has a bearing on the subject because the question is not requiring church marriages....only government recognized unions. I would object to any attempt to require churches to sanction something they believe violates their beliefs.

[Captain Obvious]

If Americans have the right to marry...laws limiting that right are illegal. This was already upheld in the cases involving anti-miscegenation laws. If the federal government had not involved itself in the issue, they could punt to the states on this but.... Equal protection under the law is deemed to be guaranteed by the Constitution which trumps state laws.

I don't believe any religion issue has a bearing on the subject because the question is not requiring church marriages....only government recognized unions. I would object to any attempt to require churches to sanction something they believe violates their beliefs.

Equal protection against what - discrimination against gays for now allowing them to be married?

Then it's not a marriage issue, it's a discrimination issue.

[PolWatch]

Equal protection against what - discrimination against gays for now allowing them to be married?

Then it's not a marriage issue, it's a discrimination issue.

true....discrimination is legal in a private setting but not a public or government setting. Denying the marriage license is state-enforced discrimination....just the same as in 1959 when mixed race couples were denied and usually jailed for applying for a marriage license. Your question makes me wonder if the majority of people miss that it really is about discrimination.

[Mister D]

true....discrimination is legal in a private setting but not a public or government setting. Denying the marriage license is state-enforced discrimination....just the same as in 1959 when mixed race couples were denied and usually jailed for applying for a marriage license. Your question makes me wonder if the majority of people miss that it really is about discrimination.

if it was a simple matter of discrimination the issue would have been settled with civil union but it wasn't because it's not about discrimination or rights. It's about acceptance.

[Captain Obvious]

if it was a simple matter of discrimination the issue would have been settled with civil union but it wasn't because it's not about discrimination or rights. It's about acceptance.

Or, maybe on the contrary, the fact that "civil union" was offered as an alternative makes it not about acceptance for gays but bigotry for states.

[Mister D]

Or, maybe on the contrary, the fact that "civil union" was offered as an alternative makes it not about acceptance for gays but bigotry for states.

When were they offered and who rejected them?

[Captain Obvious]

When were they offered and who rejected them?

I dunno, you tell me. Your claim. I merely provided a hypothetical.

Is a "civil union" the exact same as a legal "marriage"?

[PolWatch]

Maybe it was viewed as the 'separate but equal' education of the pre-civil rights act of the south? I don't know about it being about acceptance. None of the gay people I know around here expect that....they know better. They wanted the legal protections and tax issues resolved.

[domer76]

Or, maybe on the contrary, the fact that "civil union" was offered as an alternative makes it not about acceptance for gays but bigotry for states.
How's your civil union?

[Mister D]

Maybe it was viewed as the 'separate but equal' education of the pre-civil rights act of the south? I don't know about it being about acceptance. None of the gay people I know around here expect that....they know better. They wanted the legal protections and tax issues resolved.

I support giving them that and I doubt there would much of a controversy in Alabama if that's all that they pursued.

[Mister D]

I dunno, you tell me. Your claim. I merely provided a hypothetical.

Is a "civil union" the exact same as a legal "marriage"?

Poorly expresed. My mistake. As far as I know, if depends on the state. I know NJ offers all of the benefits of marriage to people in a civil union. What I mean is that we should make civil unions the legal equivalent of marriage and loeave it at that. That would pull the rug out from this controversy over night.

[Captain Obvious]

Poorly expresed. My mistake. As far as I know, if depends on the state. I know NJ offers all of the benefits of marriage to people in a civil union. What I mean is that we should make civil unions the legal equivalent of marriage and loeave it at that. That would pull the rug out from this controversy over night.

I think that's kinda the point though, why have two versions - one for heteros and one for non-heteros.

IOW, is the state really legislating "morality", by definition, and if so how is that not terrifying the shit out of anyone?

[Captain Obvious]

How's your civil union?

It was really gooey this morning, been a couple days.

Anything else you want to know?

[Mister D]

ugh...

[Captain Obvious]

ugh...

Hey - I didn't give you a hard time about your frozen dick story.

:biglaugh:

[domer76]

It was really gooey this morning, been a couple days.

Anything else you want to know?
I didn't realize you were in a same sex relationship.

[Mister D]

Hey - I didn't give you a hard time about your frozen dick story.

:biglaugh:

true dat

[Captain Obvious]

I didn't realize you were in a same sex relationship.

I wish I was sometimes.

[Mister D]

I wish I was sometimes.

You want all that garlic and booze stinking up the room? :wink:

[del]

I dunno, you tell me. Your claim. I merely provided a hypothetical.

Is a "civil union" the exact same as a legal "marriage"?

i'm pretty sure separate but equal stopped flying about 60 years ago.