BREAKING: The Senate Just Failed To Override Obama's Keystone Veto

[Cigar]

The Senate vote to override President Obama's veto has failed, falling four votes shy.


The New Victorious Senate has a Purfect Record :laugh:

Please proceed Govenor :grin:

[Bo-4]

Oh dear, let the derangement commence!

[Cigar]

Oh dear, let the derangement commence!

I'd remove all the real knives and replace them with sporks ... because thay can't do shit right. :laugh:

[Bo-4]

I'd remove all the real knives and replace them with sporks ... because thay can't do shit right. :laugh:

Where sporks come from. :-)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nIzb9Wc7fPc/UlhFE1rDozI/AAAAAAAAAAg/f_CQkapg2Io/w426-h567/2013%2B-%2B1

[exotix]

Better have a vote to shut-down the govt. and impeach Obama .... http://i61.tinypic.com/abjigo.gif

[Captain Obvious]

Where sporks come from. :-)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nIzb9Wc7fPc/UlhFE1rDozI/AAAAAAAAAAg/f_CQkapg2Io/w426-h567/2013%2B-%2B1

Forkhead!

[exotix]

Is that a little baby fork ?

LOL

[Bo-4]

Is that a little baby fork ?

LOL

No, it's a baby spork! I think they use them in prison cafeterias. ;)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31T-KNhEhpL._SY300_.jpg

[Common Sense]

No, it's a baby spork! I think they use them in prison cafeterias. ;)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31T-KNhEhpL._SY300_.jpg

That one is fancy. Is that a kspork?

[Captain Obvious]

That one is fancy. Is that a kspork?

This variety is illegal in Canada and Wyoming.

[Cigar]

How's that law Suit coming ... ?

[Common Sense]

This variety is illegal in Canada and Wyoming.

As they should be. That's an assault utensil.

[Bo-4]

This variety is illegal in Canada and Wyoming.

You pretty funny dude. Hey, wondering.. are you in the healthcare industry?

My girl (now 20) is finishing community college with a health emphasis and exploring radiology as a 4 year degree.

Seems like a pretty safe career choice. Insight?

[Common Sense]

Radiology is never truly safe.

[Howey]

I'm surprised they're even showing up on The Hill what with all the shame they're facing. Boner's probably gone through a case of Kleenex just today.

[Reason10]

Actually, it should read:

THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE VOTE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

[Safety]

Actually, it should read:

THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE VOTE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Why are you shouting?

Mods, is there a limit to the font size used per day?

[Bo-4]

Radiology is never truly safe.

You're right CS, however they've improved methodology by eons since my Mom died of cobalt from breast cancer in '79 at age 45.

[Bo-4]

Why are you shouting?

Mods, is there a limit to the font size used per day?

No, they are really REALLY MAD!!

And shall proclaim such madness in ginormous bold fonts! :D

[silvereyes]

Why are you shouting?

Mods, is there a limit to the font size used per day?
There should be. Ugh.

[PolWatch]

Actually, it should read:

THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE VOTE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Please use your inside voice...take the screaming outside

[silvereyes]

Roflmao!

[Max Rockatansky]

Actually, it should read:

THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE VOTE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

While there's an element of truth in what you say, it's still a close issue and one, I suspect, that is heavily laden with politics. The main issue isn't the Keystone pipeline since there are other pipelines, but retaking the White House in 2016.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/20/joni-ernst/joni-ernst-says-strong-majority-americans-back-key/

http://pollingreport.com/energy.htm

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/234615-senate-fails-to-override-obama-keystone-veto

Eight Democrats voted with Republicans to override Obama: Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), Mark Warner (Va.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Bob Casey Jr. (Pa.), Michael Bennet (Colo.), Tom Carper (Del.) and Jon Tester (Mont.).Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), who backs the pipeline, missed the vote.
The eight Democrats also voted to approve the $8 billion oil sands project in January. Sixty-seven votes are needed to override a presidential veto.

[texan]

Why would anyone be deranged?

This is a political statement that makes no sense by Obama. There is no risk and it creates commerce and some jobs.

Awesome, great decision.
http://wearewildness.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/treehugger-love.jpg

[Howey]

Actually, it should read:

THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE VOTE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

You're becoming very annoying with the fonts. Well, even without them. :)

[Howey]

There should be. Ugh.

There should be a rule against Reason10

[Howey]

Why would anyone be deranged?

This is a political statement that makes no sense by Obama. There is no risk and it creates commerce and some jobs.

Awesome, great decision.
http://wearewildness.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/treehugger-love.jpg

35 jobs! w00t!

[Bob]

35 jobs! w00t!

When they repair a road or fix a bridge, per your thinking, there are no jobs.

[Bob]

I'm surprised they're even showing up on The Hill what with all the shame they're facing. Boner's probably gone through a case of Kleenex just today.

Pelosi as well.

[hanger4]

Please use your inside voice...take the screaming outside

Spoken like a real mom :grin:

[hanger4]

So Obama vetoed a jobs bill. Who'd a thunk ??

[hanger4]

35 jobs! w00t!

Try 2-3 thousand for 2-3 years Howey

[Bo-4]

When they repair a road or fix a bridge, per your thinking, there are no jobs.

BoB, you flubbed the point entirely.. congrats i guess.

[Bo-4]

Try 2-3 thousand for 2-3 years @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387)

Cool if true, and how will that help our crumbling BumberFuck?

[Bob]

BoB, you flubbed the point entirely.. congrats i guess.

I spent 9 years as a heavy construction worker.

I got your point and believe it or not, you got my point.

40,000 jobs would be temporarily created and only 40 new additions.

I bet you think those 40,000 jobs are just not worth the trouble.

[Max Rockatansky]

You're becoming very annoying with the fonts. Well, even without them. :)

Annoying yes, but that's not against the rules like Rule #1: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/31827-The-Political-Forums-Rules-and-Regulations

[Howey]

Try 2-3 thousand for 2-3 years Howey

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/10/van-jones/cnns-van-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/


Our ruling

Jones said the Keystone pipeline will only result in 35 permanent jobs after construction.

The numbers, as reported by the State Department, back him up, though that’s the nature of any big construction project, be it a highway or monument.

Jones’ claim is True.

The 2-3000 jobs are temporary, for one year, until the pipeline is completed. Guess what those folks will be doing afterwards?

Filing for unemployment. :)

[hanger4]

BoB, you flubbed the point entirely.. congrats i guess.

True dat, but do you know the point he flubbed Bo-4 ??

[Max Rockatansky]

I spent 9 years as a heavy construction worker.

I got your point and believe it or not, you got my point.

40,000 jobs would be temporarily created and only 40 new additions.

I bet you think those 40,000 jobs are just not worth the trouble.

While it would create new jobs and provide work, my concern is not the tree-hugger shit, but further abuse of Eminent Domain. We have too much of that now.

[Howey]

Annoying yes, but that's not against the rules like Rule #1: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/31827-The-Political-Forums-Rules-and-Regulations

*sigh*

I know the rules. I was being facetious.

[Bob]

While it would create new jobs and provide work, my concern is not the tree-hugger shit, but further abuse of Eminent Domain. We have too much of that now.

I believe that is because you don't quite understand Eminent Domain.

It is not a taking, it is a paying for.

[hanger4]

Cool if true, and how will that help our crumbling BumberFuck?

True, permanent full time jobs would be best but so is the way with infrastructure/construction jobs. Best part is Keystone won't cost the taxpayers money. A net gain for the Feds.

[hanger4]

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/10/van-jones/cnns-van-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/



The 2-3000 jobs are temporary, for one year, until the pipeline is completed. Guess what those folks will be doing afterwards?

Filing for unemployment. :)

Remember the temporary part when you decide to support Fed spending on a infrastructure jobs bill. So is the way with all construction jobs.

[Howey]

Remember the temporary part when you decide to support Fed spending on a infrastructure jobs bill. So is the way with all construction jobs.

How many years does it take to build an interstate highway?

[Howey]

Best part is Keystone won't cost the taxpayers money.

We taxpayers will pay the $1B to $1.8B in subsidies for Keystone.

http://www.midwestenergynews.com/2012/02/08/analysis-finds-1-billion-in-subsidies-for-keystone-xl-efining/

[hanger4]

While it would create new jobs and provide work, my concern is not the tree-hugger shit, but further abuse of Eminent Domain. We have too much of that now.
The eminent domain part is being used to aquire easements. And if I remember correctly it's about 10% of the easements in Neb. Farmers still the land and cattle still grase the land.

[hanger4]

How many years does it take to build an interstate highway?
Your point ??

[hanger4]

We taxpayers will pay the $1B to $1.8B in subsidies for Keystone.

http://www.midwestenergynews.com/2012/02/08/analysis-finds-1-billion-in-subsidies-for-keystone-xl-efining/i

That's for the refiners not TransCanada and they are tax deductions not subsidies. Try reading your link all the through to the end.

[zelmo1234]

Better have a vote to shut-down the govt. and impeach Obama .... http://i61.tinypic.com/abjigo.gif

I see the Democrats are trying to impeach Obama again!

[Bob]

How many years does it take to build an interstate highway?

Thing is, it does take years. A relatively small number of men do the work. I have helped on several major highways and am telling you how it really is.

Give you an instance. Take Highway 5 in California. We would pull in with a crew of 5 on the piledriver, plus the foreman plus the superintendent and drive piles to support bridges. A small crew of guys then poured concrete on our work. That was the base of the support for the bridge. About 10 at most guys show up to work on the deck. Guys as needed show up to do the cage work. Cages are inside the concrete decks and inside the bridge footing. When we finished a bridge, we moved to the next one. And this was repeated for those many years.

[zelmo1234]

Cool if true, and how will that help our crumbling Bumber$#@!?

Well it actually brings more Oil to the world market! That causes the price at the pump to go down.

People have more money and they buy new cars. Those new cars are taxed. So that brings money into the system.

Then there are those that do not need new cars they have more money, so they go on vacation and that means they buy more Gas. That gas is taxed and that gives more money for the roads.

So how does not building the pipeline help those bumpers.

[domer76]

You pretty funny dude. Hey, wondering.. are you in the healthcare industry?

My girl (now 20) is finishing community college with a health emphasis and exploring radiology as a 4 year degree.

Seems like a pretty safe career choice. Insight?

It's a transparently good career choice.

[zelmo1234]

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/10/van-jones/cnns-van-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/

The 2-3000 jobs are temporary, for one year, until the pipeline is completed. Guess what those folks will be doing afterwards?

Filing for unemployment. :)

So after you get that road project done? how many jobs are left?

[silvereyes]

Grow up. Soon.

[Dr. Who]

You pretty funny dude. Hey, wondering.. are you in the healthcare industry?

My girl (now 20) is finishing community college with a health emphasis and exploring radiology as a 4 year degree.

Seems like a pretty safe career choice. Insight?
TBH I'd focus on anything related to gerontology. We are about to see a huge boon of really old baby boomers who will need services.

[silvereyes]

TBH I'd focus on anything related to gerontology. We are about to see a huge boon of really old baby boomers who will need services.
Thats true.

[Max Rockatansky]

The eminent domain part is being used to aquire easements. And if I remember correctly it's about 10% of the easements in Neb. Farmers still the land and cattle still grase the land.
IMO, even .00001% is wrong for something that is for profit and not essential to the "common welfare" like flood control or national security.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/02/24/foreign-company-tries-to-seize-u-s-land-for-keystone-pipeline/
On Wednesday, a Nebraska judge struck down a state law that would have allowed TransCanada (http://www.forbes.com/companies/transcanada/) TRP +0.86% (http://www.forbes.com/companies/transcanada/) to use the power of eminent domain to seize private land to help construct a short 300-mile segment of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline between Cushing and Steele City, Nebraska.

[hanger4]

IMO, even .00001% is wrong for something that is for profit and not essential to the "common welfare" like flood control or national security.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/02/24/foreign-company-tries-to-seize-u-s-land-for-keystone-pipeline/
On Wednesday, a Nebraska judge struck down a state law that would have allowed TransCanada (http://www.forbes.com/companies/transcanada/) TRP +0.86% (http://www.forbes.com/companies/transcanada/) to use the power of eminent domain to seize private land to help construct a short 300-mile segment of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline between Cushing and Steele City, Nebraska.
I'm sorry Max Rockatansky but James Conca who wrote the Forbes piece is wrong. No land is being taken or seize. Easements are being purchased all property owners continue to own the land.

[Howey]

I'm sorry Max Rockatansky but James Conca who wrote the Forbes piece is wrong. No land is being taken or seize. Easements are being purchased all property owners continue to own the land.
Easements so close to the property owners land they pose a significant threat to it.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm sorry @Max Rockatansky (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=575) but James Conca who wrote the Forbes piece is wrong. No land is being taken or seize. Easements are being purchased all property owners continue to own the land.
Purchased willingly or by force? Is it eminent domain or not?

[hanger4]

Purchased willingly or by force? Is it eminent domain or not?
You know the answer to that. Eminent domain is being used the force the purchase of the easment from about 10% of the land owners in Neb.

[hanger4]

Easements so close to the property owners land they pose a significant threat to it.

Do you have a point ??

[gamewell45]

I bet you think those 40,000 jobs are just not worth the trouble.

Since I don't want to drink contaminated water if there is a major breach in the pipeline or have to deal with all the environmental issues caused by it, my answer would be that you are correct; those 40,000 (by your estimates) jobs are just not worth the trouble. :)

[Max Rockatansky]

You know the answer to that. Eminent domain is being used the force the purchase of the easment from about 10% of the land owners in Neb.
Thanks, I just wanted to see you admit Americans were being forced to sell their land for profiteers.

[hanger4]

Since I don't want to drink contaminated water if there is a major breach in the pipeline or have to deal with all the environmental issues caused by it, my answer would be that you are correct; those 40,000 (by your estimates) jobs are just not worth the trouble. :)

Then I suggest you start working on a plan to dig up the orher 2.5 million miles or so of pipeline in the US.

[hanger4]

Thanks, I just wanted to see you admit Americans were being forced to sell their land for profiteers.
They are not selling their land, they are selling an easement.

[TrueBlue]

The Senate vote to override President Obama's veto has failed, falling four votes shy.


The New Victorious Senate has a Purfect Record :laugh:

Please proceed Govenor :grin:

That was certainly a foregone conclusion! http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/31.gif

[Max Rockatansky]

They are not selling their land, they are selling an easement.
...and that's why, Ladies and Gentlemen, why many Americans don't trust the Democratic Party; because they are two-faced lying fucks.

[hanger4]

...and that's why, Ladies and Gentlemen, why many Americans don't trust the Democratic Party; because they are two-faced lying fucks.

If I'm the two-faced lying fuck from the Democratic party you've got a hell of a lot to learn about me little one.

I suggest you google easement, educate yourself and stop acting foolish.

[del]

They are not selling their land, they are selling an easement.

being forced to sell an easement

forced

[Ivan88]

In a village in Syria, a man sold his house and kept an easement to hang anything he wants on one nail in the house.

After the sale, he came and hung something very stinky on his nail.

After a while, the new "owner" abandoned the house, and the seller moved back in and removed the stench on the nail.

[del]

...and that's why, Ladies and Gentlemen, why many Americans don't trust the Democratic Party; because they are two-faced lying fucks.

lol

poor max

seldom right but never in doubt

[Max Rockatansky]

If I'm the two-faced lying fuck from the Democratic party you've got a hell of a lot to learn about me little one.

I suggest you google easement, educate yourself and stop acting foolish.I know what it says. Do you, as a Lefty, City-living, Liberal Weenie truly comprehend what it means to force people of their land?

Most middle class Americans understand an easement to be the side walk that runs in front of their house even though they are held responsible for the grass that grows on either side of it or if someone falls walking on it.

What you are talking about is a swath the size of a tornado cutting through people's land by the force of the US government.

[del]

I know what it says. Do you, as a Lefty, City-living, Liberal Weenie truly comprehend what it means to force people of their land?

Most middle class Americans understand an easement to be the side walk that runs in front of their house even though they are held responsible for the grass that grows on either side of it or if someone falls walking on it.

What you are talking about is a swath the size of a tornado cutting through people's land by the force of the US government.


:rofl:

oh, max, you're killing me

:rofl:

[Max Rockatansky]

:rofl:

oh, max, you're killing me

:rofl:At the moment, my house has, through little desire of my own, two Shih Tzus, a 9 month lab mix, a huge black cat and my 11 year old arthritic Beagle. Always someone yapping for attention at my place. My wife spoils them, but I try to put more discipline on them by not feeding them when I'm eating or giving them treats except in a controlled, convenient situation.

You remind me of an untrained yapping dog who needs attention yet lacks the self-discipline commonly shared between mature, intelligent and educated adults. When you are able to rise to the occasion, please let me know, del.

[Ivan88]

Things to consider when faced with some oil company goon wanting to force his way into your land:
http://api.ning.com/files/Z*S8JENLfNqCgLCXvsB5svurZySls2ntskD*SbCD2bNYBS87KP nKVSTwZk-OoJuuqQReINFEkrWQrKZ1ZT19hYrZse4HnZs7/EricCampsPipeLineNegotiation.pdf

Besides that, we stole our land from the Native Americans, so it is justice for us to lose it.

Maybe the farmers should do like the Ukrainians did, charge a fee based on the amount of material transmitted through the easement.
It would be better than some crumbs for a strip of land under onerous terms in a society where money talks in court far more than Truth, Mercy and Faith......the weightier matters of the Law. (Matthew 23:23)

[del]

At the moment, my house has, through little desire of my own, two Shih Tzus, a 9 month lab mix, a huge black cat and my 11 year old arthritic Beagle. Always someone yapping for attention at my place. My wife spoils them, but I try to put more discipline on them by not feeding them when I'm eating or giving them treats except in a controlled, convenient situation.

You remind me of an untrained yapping dog who needs attention yet lacks the self-discipline commonly shared between mature, intelligent and educated adults. When you are able to rise to the occasion, please let me know, @del (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=770).

oddly, you remind me of a dog, too- a whiny bitch, max

now, please, do tell me what a, mmm, what was the phrase you used?

ah, yes, i remember now

please, do tell me what a *Lefty, City-living, Liberal Weenie*, hanger is.

i'll just have to hope i don't herniate myself laughing at your pompous ass.

[Max Rockatansky]

oddly, you remind me of a dog, too
That's nice. I like dogs.

Better than nasty stalkers who follow people around on the internet, aren't they?

I suspect people like that are the type to rape women and abuse others. It's a domination thing, not a sexual thing for them because they are such weak-spirited creatures who need to harm others to feel good about themselves.s

This is why I think you'll have your 15 minutes of fame, @del (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=770). You fit a psychological profile of someone who will harm others. You're a ticking time bomb, sir. Please try to get help before you go "off".

[del]

That's nice. I like dogs.

Better than nasty stalkers who follow people around on the internet, aren't they?

I suspect people like that are the type to rape women and abuse others. It's a domination thing, not a sexual thing for them because they are such weak-spirited creatures who need to harm others to feel good about themselves.s

This is why I think you'll have your 15 minutes of fame, @del (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=770). You fit a psychological profile of someone who will harm others. You're a ticking time bomb, sir. Please try to get help before you go "off".

i'll try to put this as gently as i can.

you're seriously fucked in the head.

you should see someone about it, especially your obvious need to project and the delusions of competence you have.

here, have a milkbone

good boy, max

:rofl:

[Bob]

Since I don't want to drink contaminated water if there is a major breach in the pipeline or have to deal with all the environmental issues caused by it, my answer would be that you are correct; those 40,000 (by your estimates) jobs are just not worth the trouble. :)

You planning on moving to Montana or Nebraska or the precise route of the pipe pretty soon?


Let's take a look at the map.

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[Safety]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/58939653.jpg

[Safety]

I know what it says. Do you, as a Lefty, City-living, Liberal Weenie truly comprehend what it means to force people of their land?

Most middle class Americans understand an easement to be the side walk that runs in front of their house even though they are held responsible for the grass that grows on either side of it or if someone falls walking on it.

What you are talking about is a swath the size of a tornado cutting through people's land by the force of the US government.

The thing is Max, Hanger isn't a lefty or Liberal, and plus I've had this exact conversation with him regarding this issue. I don't like the government using eminent domain, because you always get screwed.

[hanger4]

I know what it says. Do you, as a Lefty, City-living, Liberal Weenie truly comprehend what it means to force people of their land?

Most middle class Americans understand an easement to be the side walk that runs in front of their house even though they are held responsible for the grass that grows on either side of it or if someone falls walking on it.

What you are talking about is a swath the size of a tornado cutting through people's land by the force of the US government.
Like I said you've got a lot to learn about me and apparently easements. BTW nobodies being forced off their lands.

[hanger4]

The thing is Max, Hanger isn't a lefty or Liberal, and plus I've had this exact conversation with him regarding this issue. I don't like the government using eminent domain, because you always get screwed.

Generally you'd be correct, but in this case they're being payed and keep ownership of rhe property.

[del]

Generally you'd be correct, but in this case they're being payed and keep ownership of rhe property.

they're being forced to allow keystone to use their property against their will

how is that not being screwed?

[BB-35]

Why are you shouting?

Mods, is there a limit to the font size used per day?
Oh stop whining..

[hanger4]

they're being forced to allow keystone to use their property against their will

how is that not being screwed?

Maybe they are being screwed del but they're being paid for it. The other 90% in Neb. don't seem to think so. And to my knowledge none in other states think so either.

[Safety]

Oh stop whining..

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[gamewell45]

Spoken like a real mom :grin:

When you are dealing with kids, sometimes you have to use that tact. :)

[Professor Peabody]

The Senate vote to override President Obama's veto has failed, falling four votes shy. The New Victorious Senate has a Purfect Record :laugh: Please proceed Govenor :grin: As Gas Prices continue to rise, who do you think will get the blame? :grin:

[hanger4]

When you are dealing with kids, sometimes you have to use that tact. :)
Indeed, raised two of my own and used those very words more times than I care to remember.

[Max Rockatansky]

Like I said you've got a lot to learn about me and apparently easements. BTW nobodies being forced off their lands.So, according to you, that pipeline doesn't go through anyone's land, over their houses or otherwise forces someone to give up what they have.

Good thing we won't find out now. Eminent Domain for profit is W-R-O-N-G.