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Pendragon
08-21-2011, 10:48 AM
The hypocrisy is staggering. After insisting Obama extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and claiming that letting such expire would be a tax hike, they now want to tax the working class even more! This is typical of Republican underhandedness. You won't hear them clamoring about the evils of taxation on this issue, instead they will spin it that Obama's spending has made it necessary for us all to make sacrifices. All except for the wealthy Republicans that is. Read this link and educate yourself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44218846/ns/politics/

Mister D
08-21-2011, 11:19 AM
The hypocrisy is staggering. After insisting Obama extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and claiming that letting such expire would be a tax hike, they now want to tax the working class even more! This is typical of Republican underhandedness. You won't hear them clamoring about the evils of taxation on this issue, instead they will spin it that Obama's spending has made it necessary for us all to make sacrifices. All except for the wealthy Republicans that is. Read this link and educate yourself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44218846/ns/politics/


Pssst..."wealthy Republicans" (whatever that is supposed to mean) pay the those taxes. :D

Pendragon
08-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Did you read the article? Perhaps you need to read it again.

Mister D
08-21-2011, 11:28 AM
Did you read the article? Perhaps you need to read it again.


Why don't you show me where it says that "wealthy Republicans" (whatever that is supposed to mean) are exempt from FICA and Medicare? You claimed "wealthy Republicans" are not affected by these taxes. Put up or shut up.

Pendragon
08-21-2011, 11:33 AM
If wealthy citizens and poor citizens each have to pay the same tax, whose well being do you think is more greatly affected?

Let's not play games here.

The argument is quite clear.

Mister D
08-21-2011, 11:40 AM
If wealthy citizens and poor citizens each have to pay the same tax, whose well being do you think is more greatly affected?

Let's not play games here.

The argument is quite clear.


The argument is as clear as mud. You claimed "wealthy Republicans" (whatever that is supposed to mean) are unaffected by the FICA and Medicare taxes. That's patent nonsense. Moreover, almost half of US workers pay no income tax at all!

Pendragon
08-21-2011, 12:45 PM
Don't change the subject to income tax. We're talking about payroll tax and you know it.

Working class Americans do pay this. They all do. Furthermore you know very well what a wealthy Republican is. Why do you insist on putting it in quotation marks as if it is some mythical creature? Do you not believe they exist? Really you are just being silly.

MMC
08-21-2011, 12:46 PM
No where in the article does it state Wealthy Republicans.....althought Lamar Alexzander stated this.....

"We don't need short-term gestures. We need long-term fundamental changes in our tax structure and our regulatory structure that people who create jobs can rely on," said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., when asked about the payroll tax matter.

The GOP says this.....
Republicans cite key differences between the two "temporary" taxes, starting with the fact that the Bush measure had a 10-year life from the start. To stimulate job growth, these lawmakers say, it's better to reduce income tax rates for people and for companies than to extend the payroll tax break.

The CBO.....
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says payroll tax reductions give the economy a short-term boost. But it says the benefit is bigger if employers get the tax break instead of, or along with.

Oh but you did forget this part from MSDNC and them Dems.....
Many Democrats also are ambivalent about Obama's proposed tax cut extension. They are more focused on protecting social programs from deep spending cuts. Some worry that a multiyear reduction in the tax designated for Social Security could undermine that program's health and stature.

What the Dems hard of hearing as to what the CBO says? But I do like the part about how those Democrats that are against Obama's plan to.....are speaking out. Does this mean they are supporting the Republicans or their own interests?

Mister D
08-21-2011, 01:17 PM
Don't change the subject to income tax. We're talking about payroll tax and you know it.

Working class Americans do pay this. They all do. Furthermore you know very well what a wealthy Republican is. Why do you insist on putting it in quotation marks as if it is some mythical creature? Do you not believe they exist? Really you are just being silly.


No, I do not know what a "wealthy Republican" is and all Americans have payroll taxes deducted from their paychecks. In fact, the more you make the more you pay. If you could cut down on the empty partisan rhetoric and try to make a rational comment for once it might go over better.

Mister D
08-21-2011, 01:19 PM
Oh but you did forget this part from MSDNC and them Dems.....
Many Democrats also are ambivalent about Obama's proposed tax cut extension. They are more focused on protecting social programs from deep spending cuts. Some worry that a multiyear reduction in the tax designated for Social Security could undermine that program's health and stature.

Oh but you did forget this part from MSDNC and them Dems.....
Many Democrats also are ambivalent about Obama's proposed tax cut extension. They are more focused on protecting social programs from deep spending cuts. Some worry that a multiyear reduction in the tax designated for Social Security could undermine that program's health and stature.

:D Oops!

MMC
08-21-2011, 01:35 PM
Oh but you did forget this part from MSDNC and them Dems.....
Many Democrats also are ambivalent about Obama's proposed tax cut extension. They are more focused on protecting social programs from deep spending cuts. Some worry that a multiyear reduction in the tax designated for Social Security could undermine that program's health and stature.

Oh but you did forget this part from MSDNC and them Dems.....
Many Democrats also are ambivalent about Obama's proposed tax cut extension. They are more focused on protecting social programs from deep spending cuts. Some worry that a multiyear reduction in the tax designated for Social Security could undermine that program's health and stature.

:D Oops!



:D Yeah guess those progressives are still saying.....Damn you blue-dog working people. Shut the hell up we know whats best for you. Problem is those working class people know when they are being sold down the road. Which is why the Dems are now going after those Unions which they have soaked for all that support. Course now they will start the John F. Kennedy Call when the working class speaks up. Then.....it's all about what they can do for the Country and not themselves. We all have to sacrifice. Except the only ones doing the sacrifice are those supporting the Democratic party. As their Elites.....Cannot sacrifice for the Common Good.

Pendragon
08-21-2011, 06:49 PM
Oh come on. Really? The only people who have a shred of integrity and still care about the working class are the Democrats. Were you asleep during the eight years of the Bush administration?

MMC
08-21-2011, 07:25 PM
Oh come on. Really? The only people who have a shred of integrity and still care about the working class are the Democrats. Were you asleep during the eight years of the Bush administration?


Yeah Bill gates luvs you so much he wants to outsource more computer jobs to foreign exchange students. You seem to forget its your Democrats that are following that Neo-Con agenda with nation building and infrastructure for other Countries but our own.

Always looking to bring up Georgie Boy.....Bush. Remember one thing its under Republican Presidents that the majority of any Defnse spending get cuts. Otherwise it's all smoke and mirrors by the Democrats.

What don't you get about the Keynesian Theory of Economics. It don't work. Chicago, L.A., and New York are the 3 largest cities in the country that make up over 1/3rd of this nations economy. In 3 States ran by Democrats. They have driven all 3 into the ground with over taxation. High Corporate taxes. Highest Costs Of livings. Highest City and sales tax. Welfare programs up the ying-yang. Democrats have taken money from Unions pensions and then they spend money for casinos . Again spending all that money before even the first dime is collected.
Democrats have been doing so for over 80 some years.

wingrider
08-21-2011, 08:46 PM
Oh come on. Really? The only people who have a shred of integrity and still care about the working class are the Democrats. Were you asleep during the eight years of the Bush administration?


Yeah Bill gates luvs you so much he wants to outsource more computer jobs to foreign exchange students. You seem to forget its your Democrats that are following that Neo-Con agenda with nation building and infrastructure for other Countries but our own.

Always looking to bring up Georgie Boy.....Bush. Remember one thing its under Republican Presidents that the majority of any Defnse spending get cuts. Otherwise it's all smoke and mirrors by the Democrats.

What don't you get about the Keynesian Theory of Economics. It don't work. Chicago, L.A., and New York are the 3 largest cities in the country that make up over 1/3rd of this nations economy. In 3 States ran by Democrats. They have driven all 3 into the ground with over taxation. High Corporate taxes. Highest Costs Of livings. Highest City and sales tax. Welfare programs up the ying-yang. Democrats have taken money from Unions pensions and then they spend money for casinos . Again spending all that money before even the first dime is collected.
Democrats have been doing so for over 80 some years.


Nice arguement the only thing i can say is

its true... its very true

Pendragon
08-21-2011, 10:46 PM
Oh come on. Really? The only people who have a shred of integrity and still care about the working class are the Democrats. Were you asleep during the eight years of the Bush administration?


Yeah Bill gates luvs you so much he wants to outsource more computer jobs to foreign exchange students. You seem to forget its your Democrats that are following that Neo-Con agenda with nation building and infrastructure for other Countries but our own.

Always looking to bring up Georgie Boy.....Bush. Remember one thing its under Republican Presidents that the majority of any Defnse spending get cuts. Otherwise it's all smoke and mirrors by the Democrats.

What don't you get about the Keynesian Theory of Economics. It don't work. Chicago, L.A., and New York are the 3 largest cities in the country that make up over 1/3rd of this nations economy. In 3 States ran by Democrats. They have driven all 3 into the ground with over taxation. High Corporate taxes. Highest Costs Of livings. Highest City and sales tax. Welfare programs up the ying-yang. Democrats have taken money from Unions pensions and then they spend money for casinos . Again spending all that money before even the first dime is collected.
Democrats have been doing so for over 80 some years.

You get it perfectly! Read what you just wrote. Democrats run those three cities and those are one third of our country's economy! The Democrats have a proven system that has dominated those three states and that is why they are for all intents and purposes the entire economy. Backwater hick towns run by Republicans don't do anything for the economy. Look at the coasts those are solid blue and those are the only areas that contribute to the economy. All the red states are nothing but a drain. I'm glad we agree on this!

MMC
08-22-2011, 10:27 AM
Oh come on. Really? The only people who have a shred of integrity and still care about the working class are the Democrats. Were you asleep during the eight years of the Bush administration?


Yeah Bill gates luvs you so much he wants to outsource more computer jobs to foreign exchange students. You seem to forget its your Democrats that are following that Neo-Con agenda with nation building and infrastructure for other Countries but our own.

Always looking to bring up Georgie Boy.....Bush. Remember one thing its under Republican Presidents that the majority of any Defnse spending get cuts. Otherwise it's all smoke and mirrors by the Democrats.

What don't you get about the Keynesian Theory of Economics. It don't work. Chicago, L.A., and New York are the 3 largest cities in the country that make up over 1/3rd of this nations economy. In 3 States ran by Democrats. They have driven all 3 into the ground with over taxation. High Corporate taxes. Highest Costs Of livings. Highest City and sales tax. Welfare programs up the ying-yang. Democrats have taken money from Unions pensions and then they spend money for casinos . Again spending all that money before even the first dime is collected.
Democrats have been doing so for over 80 some years.

You get it perfectly! Read what you just wrote. Democrats run those three cities and those are one third of our country's economy! The Democrats have a proven system that has dominated those three states and that is why they are for all intents and purposes the entire economy. Backwater hick towns run by Republicans don't do anything for the economy. Look at the coasts those are solid blue and those are the only areas that contribute to the economy. All the red states are nothing but a drain. I'm glad we agree on this!


What are you kidding me. California use to be the 5th largest Economy in the World. Democrats tanked it. All 3 major cities and their states all in the red deeply. So much so that all 3 are looking to file Bankruptcy. Theres yours Democrats in action. Thats why the buisness sector has been reduced to nothing and they continue to lose jobs. The Democrats spend money they dont have. That they will never have. Always looking to spend other peoples money. Then when given the responsiblity. What do Democrats do?! They play the game, and nothing exceeds like excess. Spend and now what happened to all that lottery money that was suppose to be put forth for education? Who took the city workers pensions funds and never paid in. That be your Democrats.

Cant blame Republicans for screwing up the top 3 major cities and states in the Country. There is more than just the top 3. The Democrats have ran them and now cant even maintain them.

First you blame crime and corruption. Who is connected to Unions? You cant have it both ways. One minute your calling all Republicans backwoods country boys. Then you say Republicans do nothing for the economy. Yet it is the Money and the buisness sector tthat create jobs. Not the government's job. Who do many of those people and their buisnesses tend to usually vote for? Let me give you a hint. It's not Democrats. The Democrats you thought you knew, are not these ones in power now. >:(

Pendragon
08-22-2011, 10:59 AM
You're all over the place. First of all, Bill Gates isn't a leader of the Democratic party. I don't know where you're going with that.

Secondly, California isn't a city, isn't declaring bankruptcy, and is still a giant economy. The economy across the whole country has gone down since we had Bush and his illegal wars sapping all of our surplus that Clinton had put in place. New York is not going bankrupt either. Chicago is another story, the way public officials steal from pensions and with the corruption there it wouldn't surprise me if they did run out of money. But that's just dirty politics, not a sign of Democrats in general.

The Unions are dead too. They're not a factor any more. Ancient history. Do you have any other misconceptions I can help you clear up?

MMC
08-22-2011, 11:26 AM
You're all over the place. First of all, Bill Gates isn't a leader of the Democratic party. I don't know where you're going with that.

Secondly, California isn't a city, isn't declaring bankruptcy, and is still a giant economy. The economy across the whole country has gone down since we had Bush and his illegal wars sapping all of our surplus that Clinton had put in place. New York is not going bankrupt either. Chicago is another story, the way public officials steal from pensions and with the corruption there it wouldn't surprise me if they did run out of money. But that's just dirty politics, not a sign of Democrats in general.


The Unions are dead too. They're not a factor any more. Ancient history. Do you have any other misconceptions I can help you clear up?

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You must be really confused.....when you see buisnesses and corporations all leaving and taking their buisnesses and going to other states. So that they can no longer be taxed and pay those higher rates. Says it all. All 3 Democratically led States and Cities cannot meet budgets. Overspend on everything.

Moreover not once did any of these Democrats listen to what the CBO stated. The Unions are dead? Please then inform the rest of the Democratic Party of this misnomer of theirs. Did you just forget Wisconsin and their issue? Before talking about those Keynesian Economics. You need to go and study up. Again no where in your article does it state Wealthy Republicans.

Btw did you not know how much Gates gives to Democrats all across this country? What did you think the Democrats rely on 2 and 5 dollar donations? Partisan rhetoric doesnt change that Democratic History! >:D ;)

Pendragon
08-22-2011, 11:35 AM
You're all over the place. First of all, Bill Gates isn't a leader of the Democratic party. I don't know where you're going with that.

Secondly, California isn't a city, isn't declaring bankruptcy, and is still a giant economy. The economy across the whole country has gone down since we had Bush and his illegal wars sapping all of our surplus that Clinton had put in place. New York is not going bankrupt either. Chicago is another story, the way public officials steal from pensions and with the corruption there it wouldn't surprise me if they did run out of money. But that's just dirty politics, not a sign of Democrats in general.


The Unions are dead too. They're not a factor any more. Ancient history. Do you have any other misconceptions I can help you clear up?

.

You must be really confused.....when you see buisnesses and corporations all leaving and taking their buisnesses and going to other states. So that they can no longer be taxed and pay those higher rates. Says it all. All 3 Democratically led States and Cities cannot meet budgets. Overspend on everything.

Moreover not once did any of these Democrats listen to what the CBO stated. The Unions are dead? Please then inform the rest of the Democratic Party of this misnomer of theirs. Did you just forget Wisconsin and their issue? Before talking about those Keynesian Economics. You need to go and study up. Again no where in your article does it state Wealthy Republicans.

Btw did you not know how much Gates gives to Democrats all across this country? What did you think the Democrats rely on 2 and 5 dollar donations? Partisan rhetoric doesnt change that Democratic History! >:D ;)


What does Bill Gates have to do with any of this? You think it's bad that a self made millionaire and genius donates his time and money to causes he believes in?

Bill Gates has done a lot for charity and philanthropy all over the world. Additionally I'm pretty certain he is a lot smarter than you, me or the other couple of people who post on this board.

So maybe you should take a clue from him and see where he is going with all this. I am sure he knows a lot more about politics and who is actually trying to help society.

After all, he actually meets the leaders we only see on television. Think about that and get back to me.

MMC
08-22-2011, 11:50 AM
So you think a self made millionaire that takes care of all his people and gives to charities all around the world. Should be taxed more?

If you can't figure out how those with money in the Democratic party lobby then again you need to go back and study what you are talking about. Your Keynesian theory of economics is a failure. The CBO office stated the Obama and Dems plan is only a short term fix. What don't you get about that?