Word is spreading by those affected ACA is a failure

[Bob]

http://news.investors.com/IBD-Editorials-Obama-Care/030515-742251-uninsured-hate-obamacare-more-than-public-at-large.htm

It is to the point a lot simply hate the law.


But ObamaCare isn't even terribly popular among those who gained coverage after 2013 — those who should be singing its praises.[/URL]
[URL="http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/rl4awt4zup/tabs_combined_health_update%20%281%29.pdf"]The poll found (http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/rl4awt4zup/tabs_combined_health_update%20%281%29.pdf) that an almost equal share say it's been a failure as rate it a success (29% vs. 30%). A quarter actually want it repealed, while just over half want it kept the same or expanded.
More remarkable still is the fact that the uninsured are the most hostile to ObamaCare. The poll found that 50% of this group wants ObamaCare repealed (compared with 42% overall).
A mere 14% of the uninsured rate the law as a success, while 49% say it's been a failure. And 60% say it's either raised premiums or hasn't made a difference.


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[Redrose]

There are millions who have been hurt by the ACA, but the proponents of that law flip it off as political rhetoric.

The reality of Obamacare doesn't fit with their narrative of free, affordable healthcare for all.

"You can keep your doctor". "$2500 savings per year or families".

They didn't plan on doctors packing it in rather than remain in practice for a lot less money and twice the paperwork.

People bought insurance, but have insane deductibles and co-pays. It's like buying a car, but can't afford the gas to use it.

Many doctors will not be participating, so finding a doctor is a challenge.

They may have insurance, but finding "health care" is another thing.

If you decide your new policy isn't worth the paper it's written on, and cancel it, you will face mandated penalties. Congress just gave you the finger....and laughing. They're exempted, as are Muslims under the religious exemption, unions, and many political cronies.

Here's an analogy.

The gov't. forces you to buy a car, for more money than it's worth, so some people can get the same car free or cheaper.

[Candace Camp]

The sad thing is that we can't have nationalized healthcare like the other western countries.

[Peter1469]

The sad thing is that we can't have nationalized healthcare like the other western countries.

Why is it sad? Do you think that the American government could successfully manage such a large task?

[Reason10]

The sad thing is that we can't have nationalized healthcare like the other western countries.

This is why. Countries with nationalized health care are a disaster.

[Peter1469]

This is why. Countries with nationalized health care are a disaster.

All of them?

[Captain Obvious]

The sad thing is that we can't have nationalized healthcare like the other western countries.

That would be a catastrophe

[Common Sense]

Why is it sad? Do you think that the American government could successfully manage such a large task?

Of course it could.

[Common Sense]

This is why. Countries with nationalized health care are a disaster.

Really? Then why are so many of them ranked higher than America's system? Why do so many of them spend a smaller portion of their GDP with better results?

[Mr. Right]

Why is it sad? Do you think that the American government could successfully manage such a large task?

Look at the masterful job they're doing with the USPS.

[Peter1469]

Of course it could.

No it couldn't. Our government is largely incompetent. Americans are to independent minded and we have to many crooks taking advantage of the system.

[Common Sense]

Look at the masterful job they're doing with the USPS.

I think people have a big misconception about universal healthcare. The govt acts as the insurer, it doesn't run hospitals. It's nothing like the VA.

People should educate themselves on these things before being against them.

[Common Sense]

No it couldn't. Our government is largely incompetent. Americans are to independent minded and we have to many crooks taking advantage of the system.

There are ways to abate that to a degree. Americans aren't really much different than say Canadians.

[Common Sense]

Peter is probably right. Americans probably wouldn't be able to do something this complicated that the rest of the western world seems to be able to do.

Americans can only put people into space and on to the moon, help win world wars, create the internet, excel at science and technology. But no, a relatively simple insurance plan is out of the scope of American abilities.

[Cigar]

FEAR Drives Conservatives

they're even afraid of pictures :laugh:

[Cigar]

I think people have a big misconception about universal healthcare. The govt acts as the insurer, it doesn't run hospitals. It's nothing like the VA.

People should educate themselves on these things before being against them.

Don't bother ... thery're afraid ... you can't reason with fear.

[Bo-4]

I think people have a big misconception about universal healthcare. The govt acts as the insurer, it doesn't run hospitals. It's nothing like the VA.

People should educate themselves on these things before being against them.

You'll get crickets on this one. They LOVE their fantasies. ;)

Also, what the hell is wrong with USPS except for Republicans demanding they fund pensions 100 years into the future?

[Peter1469]

Fear is on the liberal side. They must have cradle to grave government assistance or they simply couldn't make it through life. That is fear.

[Peter1469]

You'll get crickets on this one. They LOVE their fantasies. ;)

Also, what the hell is wrong with USPS except for Republicans demanding they fund pensions 100 years into the future?

A clown makes a straw man. :shocked:

[Common Sense]

Fear is on the liberal side. They must have cradle to grave government assistance or they simply couldn't make it through life. That is fear.

It's not fear. It's common sense, compassion, financial sense and the right thing to do.

If you treat healthcare like that, why not do the same for police and fire? That's how the rest of the modern world sees healthcare.

[Safety]

Fear is on the liberal side. They must have cradle to grave government assistance or they simply couldn't make it through life. That is fear.

Isn't that a strawman argument?

[Bo-4]

FEAR Drives Conservatives

they're even afraid of pictures :laugh:

Now Now, they love the racist pictures depicting watermelon patches in front of White House, Michelle with a bone through her nose, and Obama in medicine man garb. ;-)

[Cigar]

You'll get crickets on this one. They LOVE their fantasies. ;)

Also, what the hell is wrong with USPS except for Republicans demanding they fund pensions 100 years into the future?

Their answer to every problem is DO NOTHING or Go BACKWARDS to the Way it's always been done, fir FEAR something just might happen. :rollseyes:

A Consercative couldn't LEAD their way out of a Wet Papper Bag.

[Peter1469]

It's not fear. It's common sense, compassion, financial sense and the right thing to do.

If you treat healthcare like that, why not do the same for police and fire? That's how the rest of the modern world sees healthcare.

Police (beat cops) and fire is handled at the lowest governmental level in the US. It is not like a national health care system.

Of course we have state troopers and federal law enforcement too.

[Cigar]

Now Now, they love the racist pictures depicting watermelon patches in front of White House, Michelle with a bone through her nose, and Obama in medicine man garb. ;-)

That's true, that gives them comfort ... :laugh:

[Common Sense]

It's just a shame. You could save a lot of money and help a lot of people.

[Peter1469]

Now Now, they love the racist pictures depicting watermelon patches in front of White House, Michelle with a bone through her nose, and Obama in medicine man garb. ;-)

Another straw man from the
http://www.funnybonz.com/clown.jpg

[Bo-4]

A clown makes a straw man. :shocked:

Funny how the best clowns see everyone but themselves and their fellow clowns ... as clowns. ;-)

http://otherwords.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Hightower-GOP-Candidate-Clown-Car-DonkeyHotey-600x337.jpg

[Cigar]

Police (beat cops) and fire is handled at the lowest governmental level in the US. It is not like a national health care system.

Of course we have state troopers and federal law enforcement too.


The next time you're on a an Airplane who's engine flaimed out on landing, I wouldn't wait for the local boys if I were you.

I've been on a few flights like that.

[Peter1469]

It's just a shame. You could save a lot of money and help a lot of people.

Those two goals don't go together.

[gamewell45]

Why is it sad? Do you think that the American government could successfully manage such a large task?

Other countries somehow manage to do it; many without any major problems.

[Common Sense]

Come on people...we can have a civilized discussion, can't we?

[Peter1469]

The next time you're on a an Airplane who's engine flaimed out on landing, I wouldn't wait for the local boys if I were you.

I've been on a few flights like that.

Major airports have their own limited fire fighting ability. It is not a national program.

[Common Sense]

Those two goals don't go together.

Sure they do. Why not?

[Bo-4]

Sure they do. Why not?

Duh? -- because well, they just DON'T. Trust him! :rolleyes:

[Captain Obvious]

Medicare is a ponzi scheme, right now 2/3 of our healthcare reimbursement is government enrolled with Medicare and Medicaid, hospitals and providers, especially small ones have no recourse against this 8,000lb gorilla, they basically have to accept what is paid, Medicare runs it's business like a maverick and just takes money back or stops paying with no relief, Medicaid pays for shit, doesn't even cover the cost to deliver healthcare, far below it in fact.

Outcomes have grown worse under these two plans, costs have skyrocketed well beyond COLA - we almost have government funded healthcare now and it's nothing short of a disaster, now we want to give them a full monopoly?

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Safety]

Major airports have their own limited fire fighting ability. It is not a national program.

In order for an aiport to keep their class rating (which determines the funding) depends on the amount of traffic, whether or not they have required equipment to handle emergencies, and required equipment for navigation in inclement weather, is based off of a national program from the FAA.

[Peter1469]

In order for an aiport to keep their class rating (which determines the funding) depends on the amount of traffic, whether or not they have required equipment to handle emergencies, and required equipment for navigation in inclement weather, is based off of a national program from the FAA.

Does that program hire and manage the firefighters?

[Captain Obvious]

FEAR Drives Conservatives

they're even afraid of pictures :laugh:

Ignorance drives liberals, they have no concept of reality but they think they do.

[Common Sense]

Does that program hire and manage the firefighters?

Universal healthcare doesn't manage hospitals nor does it hire and fire staff/doctors/nurses.

Hospitals are corporations in the Universal healthcare system.

[Peter1469]

Universal healthcare doesn't manage hospitals nor does it hire and fire staff/doctors/nurses.

Hospitals are corporations in the Universal healthcare system.

It does in the UK.

[Cigar]

The Republican Party doesn't want to even discuss Health Care for Americans, they just want everything to go back the way it was. Otherwise they would have put thier effort and our Government Money into Healthcare Alturnatives rather than 60 Repeals.

[Mr. Right]

How much true healthcare could have been delivered with all thats been wasted on setting up this unConstitutional blunder?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/treasury-wont-explain-decision-to-make-3-billion-in-obamacare-payments/article/2560739#!

[Mr. Right]

The Republican Party doesn't want to even discuss Health Care for Americans, they just want everything to go back the way it was. Otherwise they would have put thier effort and our Government Money into Healthcare Alturnatives rather than 60 Repeals. ^^^

You mean money the government took at the heal of a boot?

[Common Sense]

It does in the UK.

That's true to an extent. There are also private hospitals.

But the great thing is that the best features of UHC could be applied to any new structure.

[Cigar]

^^^

You mean money the government took at the heal of a boot?

Yes .. either you can deal with it or whine like a little bitch

[Peter1469]

The Republican Party doesn't want to even discuss Health Care for Americans, they just want everything to go back the way it was. Otherwise they would have put thier effort and our Government Money into Healthcare Alturnatives rather than 60 Repeals.

Really?

They have advanced many proposals, some dumb, some good. But your boy Reid never allowed any of them to be voted on. Reid is the party of No.

When you lie, think first. Probably don't want to lie about issues commonly known.

[Peter1469]

That's true to an extent. There are also private hospitals.

But the great thing is that the best features of UHC could be applied to any new structure.

I could see the US using the Canadian model with a robust private side (like the Germans). We can also save a lot of money by totally changing the model for "free health care." Remote Area Medical as an example.

[Common Sense]

I could see the US using the Canadian model with a robust private side (like the Germans). We can also save a lot of money by totally changing the model for "free health care." Remote Area Medical as an example.

The German model is great.

[Cigar]

Really?

They have advanced many proposals, some dumb, some good. But your boy Reid never allowed any of them to be voted on. Reid is the party of No.

When you lie, think first. Probably don't want to lie about issues commonly known.

Name One

[Reason10]

The Republican Party doesn't want to even discuss Health Care for Americans, they just want everything to go back the way it was. Otherwise they would have put thier effort and our Government Money into Healthcare Alturnatives rather than 60 Repeals.

Probably because THIS WAY ISN'T WORKING.
It has cost people their health coverage.
It has JACKED UP THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE.
It has JACKED UP THE COST OF HEALTH CARE.
It has cost people their JOBS.

Forget what Republicans want, if you STILL support this disaster, you're no different from those who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

[Reason10]

Isn't that a strawman argument?

Nope. It's the truth.
This kind of truth can be found in an entity that society apparently has hidden from you all your life.
That entity is called BOOKS.

[Reason10]

Their answer to every problem is DO NOTHING or Go BACKWARDS to the Way it's always been done, fir FEAR something just might happen. :rollseyes:

A Consercative couldn't LEAD their way out of a Wet Papper Bag.

1. Going back to the way it used to be would be better than the clusterfuck we have now.
2. The greatest leaders in the history of America were conservatives. America was FOUNDED by conservatives.

Liberals are brain dead morons.
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[Cigar]

Probably because THIS WAY ISN'T WORKING.
It has cost people their health coverage.
It has JACKED UP THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE.
It has JACKED UP THE COST OF HEALTH CARE.
It has cost people their JOBS.

Forget what Republicans want, if you STILL support this disaster, you're no different from those who flew planes into the World Trade Center.

You're Post are missing their Links ... :grin: My Post don't ... why is that?

[Cigar]

1. Going back to the way it used to be would be better than the cluster$#@! we have now.
2. The greatest leaders in the history of America were conservatives. America was FOUNDED by conservatives.

Liberals are brain dead morons.
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Not to the people who couldn't get insurance and healthcare ... but hey, you'll be hearing from them soon enough. :laugh:

[Howey]

This is why. Countries with nationalized health care are a disaster.

They are?

[Candace Camp]

Why is it sad? Do you think that the American government could successfully manage such a large task?

It could if it wasn't infested with trolls.

[Candace Camp]

This is why. Countries with nationalized health care are a disaster.

They'd be a disastrous as America if they didn't have it.

[Candace Camp]

That would be a catastrophe

Oh yeah. Canada and Australia are hellish places. :rollseyes:

[Howey]

No it couldn't. Our government is largely incompetent. Americans are to independent minded and we have to many crooks taking advantage of the system.

Contrary to recent news, the VA provides the best health care available (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_06/va_care_still_the_best_care_an050598.php). (That's an excellent article, not only for proving the point but explaining the current problems with the VA)


I think people have a big misconception about universal healthcare. The govt acts as the insurer, it doesn't run hospitals. It's nothing like the VA.

People should educate themselves on these things before being against them.

Obamacare isn't what Obama, or proponents of national healthcare wanted. It was the best available option that would pass Congress. Think about it...some form of national healthcare has been bandied about for fifty years and Obama accomplished something.

What would have been ideal is a national system based on Medicare (Medicare Part E).

[Captain Obvious]

Oh yeah. Canada and Australia are hellish places. :rollseyes:

And the Hyundai Accent is a decent car but I wouldn't compare it to a BMW.

:rollseyes:

[Common Sense]

And the Hyundai Accent is a decent car but I wouldn't compare it to a BMW.

:rollseyes:

Hey now...

[Captain Obvious]

Hey now...

I drive one actually.

...the Hyundai that is.

:biglaugh:

[Captain Obvious]

Oh - the Canada comment, lol - sorry.

My point was, two (three actually) completely different countries, cultures, economies.

I love the mindset that "if it works in bumfuck Denmark then it will work like a charm here".

Just put a "slap me" sign on your forehead next time.

[Common Sense]

Oh - the Canada comment, lol - sorry.

My point was, two (three actually) completely different countries, cultures, economies.

I love the mindset that "if it works in bumfuck Denmark then it will work like a charm here".

Just put a "slap me" sign on your forehead next time.

America isn't some special place. Those systems would indeed work in the US.

[Captain Obvious]

America isn't some special place. Those systems would indeed work in the US.

I really don't think so.

Our society is far more partisan than yours for one thing, that's a huge obstacle. Population, economies are drastically different.