Whites being targeted?

[Safety]

Cthulhu You mentioned in the thread in the hole about Libhater being onto something..."Whites are in fact being targeted". I figured I'd start a thread on the topic to see if it could be discussed openly and respectfully.

Let's discuss.

[Cigar]

Who? :huh:

What Whites are being targeted? :huh:

[del]

i respectfully think that's a load of shit

[Common Sense]

Targeted in what? Advertising? Home loans?

[Cigar]

i respectfully think that's a load of $#@!

Or I'm sure there's some facts to backup it up ... let's wait and see the facts.

[Safety]

i respectfully think that's a load of shit

Well, we danced around on this topic back when I first joined, so I was wanting to see why he made that statement.

[del]

Targeted in what? Advertising? Home loans?

zero interest credit cards

oh, the huge manatee

[Cigar]

Well, we danced around on this topic back when I first joined, so I was wanting to see why he made that statement.

Out of Anger and Bitterness maybe

[Mister D]

@Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872) You mentioned in the thread in the hole about Libhater being onto something..."Whites are in fact being targeted". I figured I'd start a thread on the topic to see if it could be discussed openly and respectfully.

Let's discuss.
Safety can you link to the context?

[del]

Well, we danced around on this topic back when I first joined, so I was wanting to see why he made that statement.

fair enough

i still think it's a load of shit, though.

[Cigar]

@Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226) can you link to the context?

Why do you need context?

It's rampid, wide spreading and everywhere you look. :laugh:

[PolWatch]

Whites are being targeted...there is a segment of our population that is doing everything they can to convince the controlling majority of citizens (whites) that they are being abused. I think the representative site for this view is a place called stormfront.

IMHO: BS

[Common]

Well, we danced around on this topic back when I first joined, so I was wanting to see why he made that statement.

You sure you have the right person, I wouldnt think Cth would make a statement like that. Libhater you can expect anything from

[Mister D]

Why do you need context?

It's rampid, wide spreading and everywhere you look. :laugh:

^^^Black history major

[Cigar]

^^^Black history major

^^^ White Internet Racist Loser :laugh:

[Safety]

Safety can you link to the context?

Mister D Here is the post link http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/40531-STORMFRONT-on-the-Rise!?p=990667&viewfull=1#post990667

[Safety]

C'mon guys, I said to discuss this respectfully.

[Captain Obvious]

Targeted in what? Advertising? Home loans?

Viagra

[Captain Obvious]

sorry

[Mister D]

C'mon guys, I said to discuss this respectfully.

Guys? You mean Cigar.

This could be a very interesting discussion. Let me check this thread out. Libhater is a buffoon, BTW, and possibly a fraud.

[Captain Obvious]

As an actual white dude here's my take.

"Targeted" isn't the best term, slighted is a better one.

It seems our culture is saying "because minorities have been discriminated against for generations it's ok now to discriminate against white people to even the score" even though many whites like me never participated in any real discrimination and to be honest some of us are feeling a bit slighted.

At what point does "equal" become equal?

Next year? Next decade? Never?

[Safety]

Guys? You mean Cigar.

This could be a very interesting discussion. Let me check this thread out. Libhater is a buffoon, BTW, and possibly a fraud.

I'm hoping it would be interesting, and maybe get a little more insight as to the feelings of several who feel that way. It is also a very very touchy subject, that's why I'm in my cherub like demeanor.

[Safety]

As an actual white dude here's my take.

"Targeted" isn't the best term, slighted is a better one.

It seems our culture is saying "because minorities have been discriminated against for generations it's ok now to discriminate against white people to even the score" even though many whites like me never participated in any real discrimination and to be honest some of us are feeling a bit slighted.

At what point does "equal" become equal?

Next year? Next decade? Never?

Very valid point, Captain. What exactly is the discrimination you are speaking about, AA? Jobs?

[Cigar]

As an actual white dude here's my take.

"Targeted" isn't the best term, slighted is a better one.

It seems our culture is saying "because minorities have been discriminated against for generations it's ok now to discriminate against white people to even the score" even though many whites like me never participated in any real discrimination and to be honest some of us are feeling a bit slighted.

At what point does "equal" become equal?

Next year? Next decade? Never?



Awww ... "SLIGHTED" ... who needs a 250 year Hug? :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

Very valid point, Captain. What exactly is the discrimination you are speaking about, AA? Jobs?

Yes, yes.

[Cigar]

Very valid point, Captain. What exactly is the discrimination you are speaking about, AA? Jobs?

Maybe they're looking for an Apology?

I'd tell then to go stand under The Edmund Pettis Bridge ... then Look Up :grin:

[Safety]

Yes, yes.

Well, I've already stated that I think AA should be replaced with something that reflects the demographics of 2015. I mean Michael Jordan's children shouldn't be eligible for consideration due to skin color, nor should Jay-z's kids. It should be based upon socioeconomic status. As for jobs, the same, but you have to remember, AA doesn't stand for African Americans, it encompases all minorities, including "white" women (who are the majority of recipients of AA and quotas).

So, I think the use of AA and quotas by white nationalists are just a ruse to get folks riled up about something being targeted. Because when you get down to the actual numbers, you will find out that, take for instance medical school, if "every" black or latino" student was a recipient of AA, the number is only like 13% total of enrolled in medical school. If you are white and you are complaining about not getting accepted, there were many, many, other whites that had no problem. Those institutions made the conscientious effort to try to get their campuses to have an atmosphere that represents what most of the country looks like.

[Cigar]

Well, I've already stated that I think AA should be replaced with something that reflects the demographics of 2015. I mean Michael Jordan's children shouldn't be eligible for consideration due to skin color, nor should Jay-z's kids. It should be based upon socioeconomic status. As for jobs, the same, but you have to remember, AA doesn't stand for African Americans, it encompases all minorities, including "white" women (who are the majority of recipients of AA and quotas).

So, I think the use of AA and quotas by white nationalists are just a ruse to get folks riled up about something being targeted. Because when you get down to the actual numbers, you will find out that, take for instance medical school, if "every" black or latino" student was a recipient of AA, the number is only like 13% total of enrolled in medical school. If you are white and you are complaining about not getting accepted, there were many, many, other whites that had no problem.

Yea ... I think Black People shouldn't be targeted for just driving cars ... but we all have our Crosses to carry.

Maybe once one stops, then the other will stop also.

So if Whites have a problem of live being unfair ... well welcome to the Real World the rest of us have to live in.

[Common Sense]

I don't feel targeted or slighted.

[del]

i feel marvelous

[Cigar]

I don't feel targeted or slighted.

I don't either ... I wonder why? :grin:

[del]

I don't either ... I wonder why? :grin:

it's a white thing

you wouldn't understand

[PolWatch]

I think that AA was a good program and necessary when it was first started. I think AA as currently administered is past its sell-by date. The only purpose it serves now is to give those who failed to meet the standards for admission/hiring, etc. something to blame. Consideration by economics sounds reasonable.

[Captain Obvious]

Well, I've already stated that I think AA should be replaced with something that reflects the demographics of 2015. I mean Michael Jordan's children shouldn't be eligible for consideration due to skin color, nor should Jay-z's kids. It should be based upon socioeconomic status. As for jobs, the same, but you have to remember, AA doesn't stand for African Americans, it encompases all minorities, including "white" women (who are the majority of recipients of AA and quotas).

So, I think the use of AA and quotas by white nationalists are just a ruse to get folks riled up about something being targeted. Because when you get down to the actual numbers, you will find out that, take for instance medical school, if "every" black or latino" student was a recipient of AA, the number is only like 13% total of enrolled in medical school. If you are white and you are complaining about not getting accepted, there were many, many, other whites that had no problem. Those institutions made the conscientious effort to try to get their campuses to have an atmosphere that represents what most of the country looks like.

I'm not feeling like diving into something heavy right now but later on I might, I'll revisit this and start tossing some elephants around maybe later this evening.

Right now morning's going good. Got a really good blowjob this morning, getting a couple things done, gonna grill some brats later on, drink some beer. Life's ok right now, don't wanna harsh that at the moment.

[Cigar]

I think that AA was a good program and necessary when it was first started. I think AA as currently administered is past its sell-by date. The only purpose it serves now is to give those who failed to meet the standards for admission/hiring, etc. something to blame. Consideration by economics sounds reasonable.

I'd be really interested to see a current real life stories where Whites are constantly being looked over in preference of Blacks

[Cthulhu]

Cthulhu You mentioned in the thread in the hole about Libhater being onto something..."Whites are in fact being targeted". I figured I'd start a thread on the topic to see if it could be discussed openly and respectfully.

Let's discuss.
When I am near a computer. And have time to do so, I will address this.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Cigar]

When I am near a computer. And have time to do so, I will address this.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

Who needs computers when you have a Smart Phone? :laugh:

Just kidding ... :grin:

[hanger4]

Safety would be best for me to read and learn. I don't have any kind of personal experience with AA or being targeted. I've worked in the construction trades 40 plus years starting in the early 1970's. If you were willing to work and learn the trade skills the CO owners didn't care about your color or background. Now women were a different story. No so much ability but a disruption to the job site. And even that has changed over the years.

[Captain Obvious]

@Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226) would be best for me to read and learn. I don't have any kind of personal experience with AA or being targeted. I've worked in the construction trades 40 plus years starting in the early 1970's. If you were willing to work and learn the trade skills the CO owners didn't care about your color or background. Now women were a different story. No so much ability but a disruption to the job site. And even that has changed over the years.

I was turned down for a job because I'm white, I'm pretty sure about that.

I interviewed for a CFO job at a FQHC in New Haven, CT a while ago, I was the only white person in the room during the interview.

It was colder than a penguins ass in there, I'm not even sure why they brought me in. Quota maybe.

They did put me up in a really sweet hotel in town, very nice town too. I drank all the liquor in the cabinet afterwards. Their tab.

[Peter1469]

Not only white. But male too, right?


I was turned down for a job because I'm white, I'm pretty sure about that.

I interviewed for a CFO job at a FQHC in New Haven, CT a while ago, I was the only white person in the room during the interview.

It was colder than a penguins ass in there, I'm not even sure why they brought me in. Quota maybe.

They did put me up in a really sweet hotel in town, very nice town too. I drank all the liquor in the cabinet afterwards. Their tab.

[Captain Obvious]

Not only white. But male too, right?

There was one guy, three chics.

The guy I kind of connected with a little, he was sort of a regular dude. COO.

The CEO didn't say more than 5 words to me during the entire interview.

[Common]

I never had any personal experience with affirmative action except being trained for and being an instructor.

I personally did get Screwed over big time by the quota system that predated AA.

[Dr. Who]

As an actual white dude here's my take.

"Targeted" isn't the best term, slighted is a better one.

It seems our culture is saying "because minorities have been discriminated against for generations it's ok now to discriminate against white people to even the score" even though many whites like me never participated in any real discrimination and to be honest some of us are feeling a bit slighted.

At what point does "equal" become equal?

Next year? Next decade? Never?
I think that the problem is that in some areas there is still discrimination against blacks. It's not a matter of public record, it is subtle, but nevertheless institutionalized. On the other hand there continues to be a certain level of affirmative action in government employment and I don't believe that it is necessary anymore. I think that the notion that government employees should represent the demographics of the nation is well established and those who hire will not discriminate against qualified candidates. The rampant use of the word racism here and in the media to describe anyone who supports police actions is misplaced. Whether or not racism is at the root of these incidents, it's inappropriate to label people as racists for interpreting circumstances based on their own beliefs. Similarly it is also inappropriate to label anyone who disagrees with Obama, as a racist. However, when people dwell on race to support their point of view, then I will presume that they are racist. That goes either way. It is not racist to suspect that there may be racial motivation depending on the circumstances, but it is racist to assume that every situation has a racial motive or to assume that there is none, when there are many indicators that it might be the case.

[Mister D]

I think that the problem is that in some areas there is still discrimination against blacks. It's not a matter of public record, it is subtle, but nevertheless institutionalized. On the other hand there continues to be a certain level of affirmative action in government employment and I don't believe that it is necessary anymore. I think that the notion that government employees should represent the demographics of the nation is well established and those who hire will not discriminate against qualified candidates. The rampant use of the word racism here and in the media to describe anyone who supports police actions is misplaced. Whether or not racism is at the root of these incidents, it's inappropriate to label people as racists for interpreting circumstances based on their own beliefs. Similarly it is also inappropriate to label anyone who disagrees with Obama, as a racist. However, when people dwell on race to support their point of view, then I will presume that they are racist. That goes either way. It is not racist to suspect that there may be racial motivation depending on the circumstances, but it is racist to assume that every situation has a racial motive or to assume that there is none, when there are many indicators that it might be the case.

Very fair, Who. We do see quite a bit of that here.

[Captain Obvious]

I think that the problem is that in some areas there is still discrimination against blacks. It's not a matter of public record, it is subtle, but nevertheless institutionalized. On the other hand there continues to be a certain level of affirmative action in government employment and I don't believe that it is necessary anymore. I think that the notion that government employees should represent the demographics of the nation is well established and those who hire will not discriminate against qualified candidates. The rampant use of the word racism here and in the media to describe anyone who supports police actions is misplaced. Whether or not racism is at the root of these incidents, it's inappropriate to label people as racists for interpreting circumstances based on their own beliefs. Similarly it is also inappropriate to label anyone who disagrees with Obama, as a racist. However, when people dwell on race to support their point of view, then I will presume that they are racist. That goes either way. It is not racist to suspect that there may be racial motivation depending on the circumstances, but it is racist to assume that every situation has a racial motive or to assume that there is none, when there are many indicators that it might be the case.

I don't disagree, life sucks. It ain't fair.

Keep in mind that while we pacify ourselves with these trivialities the super wealthy continue at business as usual.

[Cigar]

I think that the problem is that in some areas there is still discrimination against blacks. It's not a matter of public record, it is subtle, but nevertheless institutionalized. On the other hand there continues to be a certain level of affirmative action in government employment and I don't believe that it is necessary anymore. I think that the notion that government employees should represent the demographics of the nation is well established and those who hire will not discriminate against qualified candidates. The rampant use of the word racism here and in the media to describe anyone who supports police actions is misplaced. Whether or not racism is at the root of these incidents, it's inappropriate to label people as racists for interpreting circumstances based on their own beliefs. Similarly it is also inappropriate to label anyone who disagrees with Obama, as a racist. However, when people dwell on race to support their point of view, then I will presume that they are racist. That goes either way. It is not racist to suspect that there may be racial motivation depending on the circumstances, but it is racist to assume that every situation has a racial motive or to assume that there is none, when there are many indicators that it might be the case.

With all due respect, please accept my sincere apology for the discomfort and irritation racism has caused you for the last couple decades.

http://photosinbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/adhesive-bandage.jpg

[Safety]

There was one guy, three chics.

The guy I kind of connected with a little, he was sort of a regular dude. COO.

The CEO didn't say more than 5 words to me during the entire interview.

Two positions before this one I was turned down an entry environmental job. I don't know whether or not it was due to me being male or black, but there were four different "interviewers" which came into the room one after another. I remember this cute redhead that was there for the same position (I could hear them laughing and giggling in the other room). I later found out she was the one selected, when I was picked up by Lockheed and we ended up bumping into each other. Oh well, I'm in a senior environmental and safety management position, and last I remember from the email stream, she is still in her original position.

Sometimes things happen for a reason.

[Captain Obvious]

Two positions before this one I was turned down an entry environmental job. I don't know whether or not it was due to me being male or black, but there were four different "interviewers" which came into the room one after another. I remember this cute redhead that was there for the same position (I could hear them laughing and giggling in the other room). I later found out she was the one selected, when I was picked up by Lockheed and we ended up bumping into each other. Oh well, I'm in a senior environmental and safety management position, and last I remember from the email stream, she is still in her original position.

Sometimes things happen for a reason.

Icing on the cake would be if you wound up banging the redhed in the utility closet.

Say it's so.

:biglaugh:

[MisterVeritis]

^^^ White Internet Racist Loser :laugh:
Would you like your drink supersized?

[Mister D]

With all due respect, please accept my sincere apology for the discomfort and irritation racism has caused you for the last couple decades.

http://photosinbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/adhesive-bandage.jpg

You could alienate virtually anyone. :laugh:

[Safety]

Icing on the cake would be if you wound up banging the redhed in the utility closet.

Say it's so.

:biglaugh:

Nah, we were only a drink away from her apartment though.

[Cigar]

You could alienate virtually anyone. :laugh:

My bad, not absorbent enough for you, you'll need to go to the ladies section for what you need. :laugh:

[Safety]

Would you like your drink supersized?

Better not be in Ny.

[Cigar]

Would you like your drink supersized?

Still at work ... ? :laugh:

[Bob]

I think that AA was a good program and necessary when it was first started. I think AA as currently administered is past its sell-by date. The only purpose it serves now is to give those who failed to meet the standards for admission/hiring, etc. something to blame. Consideration by economics sounds reasonable.

Don't you want to rush to your board to come back to tell us what it says?

What is the name again that you told about?

[Mister D]

:huh:

[Common]

Don't you want to rush to your board to come back to tell us what it says?

What is the name again that you told about?

WTH are you talking about what Pol said was perfectly clear and concise, yours on the other hand makes no sense at all bobby

[Bob]

WTH are you talking about what Pol said was perfectly clear and concise, yours on the other hand makes no sense at all bobby

She came up with a forum name that I had no knowledge of . Want me to explain her doing that to you again?

[Common]

She came up with a forum name that I had no knowledge of . Want me to explain her doing that to you again?

Oh that no you dont have too I read all that. How can you blame Polwatch for posting about another website and you going to it and copying and pasting their entire rules page ? Thats not HER fault its yours and no one else but yours.

[Bob]

Oh that no you dont have too I read all that. How can you blame Polwatch for posting about another website and you going to it and copying and pasting their entire rules page ? Thats not HER fault its yours and no one else but yours.

That is your claim. I never blamed her for me posting the rules.

Will you please stop creating strawmen to knock down?

You got it all wrong.

Oh I recall the name of her forum. Stormfront. She came up with that.

[Common]

That is your claim. I never blamed her for me posting the rules.

Will you please stop creating strawmen to knock down?

You got it all wrong.

Oh I recall the name of her forum. Stormfront. She came up with that.

lol, bob for god sakes listen, you are blaming polwatch for posting about stormwatch. You go to stormwatch ok fine, did she make you copy an paste their rules ? or did you do that on your own.

[The Xl]

The biggest whites targeted by the system are those who are on the wrong end of affirmative action, probably.

[Dr. Who]

With all due respect, please accept my sincere apology for the discomfort and irritation racism has caused you for the last couple decades.

http://photosinbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/adhesive-bandage.jpg
Really Cigar? I don't approve of any racism against anyone. Racism is an anathema to me. It is ignorant and cruel. That being said, presuming racism at every turn is also ignorant. People can disagree with Obama without being racist. Now people who continually question scream about his Kenyan ancestry fool no one. I would be the last to deny that many of the criticisms of Obama are not based in racism. However they are not all based in racism. Some people simply disagree with his politics. That is allowed and it is unfair to assume that all such criticisms have racism at their root.

Some police incidents that appear to be racist, are racist. Some are not. There is an extreme level of paranoia pervading police departments, particularly in neighborhoods fraught with violence. Some of the cops killing black citizens are black cops. Those stories don't make the major media because that news doesn't sell. It doesn't make those situations any less worthy of scrutiny, but the media favors inflammatory news and that makes it much harder to determine the real reason behind these incidents. There is an assumption that all white officers involved in these incidents are racist, but we don't know that they are. They could just be A-holes or they could simply be poorly trained or following lousy protocol.

Bottom line, if you want to accuse me of being racist because I am unwilling to jump to conclusions, I guess I can live with that. However you should know that I am the last person who should be accused of racism, since my family is literally the united nations. There is no color that is not represented and I care about every last one of them. However I am a fair and pragmatic person and recognize that we have conservative members on this forum who see things differently than liberals. That doesn't make them racist, nor does it make all liberals racist for disagreeing with the conservative point of view.

[del]

Don't you want to rush to your board to come back to tell us what it says?

What is the name again that you told about?

http://www.alz.org/

don't wait

[Cigar]

Really Cigar? I don't approve of any racism against anyone. Racism is an anathema to me. It is ignorant and cruel. That being said, presuming racism at every turn is also ignorant. People can disagree with Obama without being racist. Now people who continually question scream about his Kenyan ancestry fool no one. I would be the last to deny that many of the criticisms of Obama are not based in racism. However they are not all based in racism. Some people simply disagree with his politics. That is allowed and it is unfair to assume that all such criticisms have racism at their root.

Some police incidents that appear to be racist, are racist. Some are not. There is an extreme level of paranoia pervading police departments, particularly in neighborhoods fraught with violence. Some of the cops killing black citizens are black cops. Those stories don't make the major media because that news doesn't sell. It doesn't make those situations any less worthy of scrutiny, but the media favors inflammatory news and that makes it much harder to determine the real reason behind these incidents. There is an assumption that all white officers involved in these incidents are racist, but we don't know that they are. They could just be A-holes or they could simply be poorly trained or following lousy protocol.

Bottom line, if you want to accuse me of being racist because I am unwilling to jump to conclusions, I guess I can live with that. However you should know that I am the last person who should be accused of racism, since my family is literally the united nations. There is no color that is not represented and I care about every last one of them. However I am a fair and pragmatic person and recognize that we have conservative members on this forum who see things differently than liberals. That doesn't make them racist, nor does it make all liberals racist for disagreeing with the conservative point of view.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything ... when I do I'll call them out by name.

What I'm saying is, I'm having a difficult time sympathizing with a few people who have been irritated, and put out for a really short time, as compared to real people suffering and struggling and actually dying.

I'll stand by my statement.

[Bob]

lol, bob for god sakes listen, you are blaming polwatch for posting about stormwatch. You go to stormwatch ok fine, did she make you copy an paste their rules ? or did you do that on your own.

This is not rocket science. I told you I posted the rules on my own.

She told me of the forum.

Was that so hard?

The issue never was over who posted the rules or why.

[hanger4]

Despite some of the petulant children this has been an inlighting thread. Thanks to all who keep things civil.

[Bob]

http://www.alz.org/

don't wait


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCI-gNK_y4

[Common]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything ... when I do I'll call them out by name.

What I'm saying is, I'm having a difficult time sympathizing with a few people who have been irritated, and put out for a really short time, as compared to real people suffering and struggling and actually dying.

I'll stand by my statement.

Cigar, I think the point some are trying to make is that affirmative action was necessary for many years, its been going on for decades now. Its encompassed a few generations. Many liberals even believe its run its course. Many believe theres nothing wrong with people that have graduated highschool competing with everyone else grade and score wise for college.

[Cigar]

Cigar, I think the point some are trying to make is that affirmative action was necessary for many years, its been going on for decades now. Its encompassed a few generations. Many liberals even believe its run its course. Many believe theres nothing wrong with people that have graduated highschool competing with everyone else grade and score wise for college.

And I'm still saying the exact same thing ... excuse me for the few generations of inconvenience.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608000849432939322&pid=15.1&P=0

[The Xl]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything ... when I do I'll call them out by name.

What I'm saying is, I'm having a difficult time sympathizing with a few people who have been irritated, and put out for a really short time, as compared to real people suffering and struggling and actually dying.

I'll stand by my statement.

Why is the suffering of unrelated people justified because people from another era who look like them did horrible things? And why should blacks from this era be lumped in with blacks from the past when it comes to their suffering, when they didn't actually go through it, and their issues while significant, pale in comparison? You weren't a slave and I wasn't a slave owner, homeboy.

This is what happens when you subscribe to racist groupthink mentality.

[The Xl]

And I'm still saying the exact same thing ... excuse me for the few generations of inconvenience.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608000849432939322&pid=15.1&P=0

More low level racist nonsense.

I'm not sure how you can't see that cigar is a racist, Safety.

That white kid who gets passed up for a school because of aa sure deserves it, fuck that kid for what he did to blacks.

[Common]

And I'm still saying the exact same thing ... excuse me for the few generations of inconvenience.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608000849432939322&pid=15.1&P=0

That has nothing to do with what I posted. I said IT WAS NEEDED, I didnt denigrate AA in any way except to say there are those that believe after 48 yrs its time to end it.

[Dr. Who]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything ... when I do I'll call them out by name.

What I'm saying is, I'm having a difficult time sympathizing with a few people who have been irritated, and put out for a really short time, as compared to real people suffering and struggling and actually dying.

I'll stand by my statement.
It certainly seemed like a direct and sarcastic attack on my personal integrity.

[Cigar]

Why is the suffering of unrelated people justified because people from another era who look like them did horrible things? And why should blacks from this era be lumped in with blacks from the past when it comes to their suffering, when they didn't actually go through it, and their issues while significant, pale in comparison? You weren't a slave and I wasn't a slave owner, homeboy.

This is what happens when you subscribe to racist groupthink mentality.

Why is the suffering of unrelated people justified because people from another era think they are "STILL" superior?

Exactly ... so tell me why ... ?

Once again and for the last time, I'm NOT accusing ANYONE here of ANYTHING ... I'm saying don't expect me to show any sympathy to anyone over a few decades of inconvenience and irritation ... it just ain't going to happen. I have too many first hand and first person stories to do that and I don't care you doesn't like it.

[Bob]

Cigar, I think the point some are trying to make is that affirmative action was necessary for many years, its been going on for decades now. Its encompassed a few generations. Many liberals even believe its run its course. Many believe theres nothing wrong with people that have graduated highschool competing with everyone else grade and score wise for college.

A major problem came up.

When Blacks were using AA rules enrolled at University of CA, they were in way over their heads. They flunked out. All they had done was block a qualified white person from being educated at that time. Seeing how it failed, CAL dropped it.

That is one way Whites were targeted.

[The Xl]

That has nothing to do with what I posted. I said IT WAS NEEDED, I didnt denigrate AA in any way except to say there are those that believe after 48 yrs its time to end it.

Nah, that young white kid from a low income house who gets passed up for a good school because of the color of his skin deserves it cuz fuck whitey

[Cigar]

That has nothing to do with what I posted. I said IT WAS NEEDED, I didnt denigrate AA in any way except to say there are those that believe after 48 yrs its time to end it.

There is no shortage of what people think ... we see that all day every day on this forum.

[Mister D]

Really Cigar? I don't approve of any racism against anyone. Racism is an anathema to me. It is ignorant and cruel. That being said, presuming racism at every turn is also ignorant. People can disagree with Obama without being racist. Now people who continually question scream about his Kenyan ancestry fool no one. I would be the last to deny that many of the criticisms of Obama are not based in racism. However they are not all based in racism. Some people simply disagree with his politics. That is allowed and it is unfair to assume that all such criticisms have racism at their root.

Some police incidents that appear to be racist, are racist. Some are not. There is an extreme level of paranoia pervading police departments, particularly in neighborhoods fraught with violence. Some of the cops killing black citizens are black cops. Those stories don't make the major media because that news doesn't sell. It doesn't make those situations any less worthy of scrutiny, but the media favors inflammatory news and that makes it much harder to determine the real reason behind these incidents. There is an assumption that all white officers involved in these incidents are racist, but we don't know that they are. They could just be A-holes or they could simply be poorly trained or following lousy protocol.

Bottom line, if you want to accuse me of being racist because I am unwilling to jump to conclusions, I guess I can live with that. However you should know that I am the last person who should be accused of racism, since my family is literally the united nations. There is no color that is not represented and I care about every last one of them. However I am a fair and pragmatic person and recognize that we have conservative members on this forum who see things differently than liberals. That doesn't make them racist, nor does it make all liberals racist for disagreeing with the conservative point of view.

Excellent point. As I recall, there isn't even a disparity in terms of race. Black cops kill black suspects at a rate similar to that of white cops.

[Cigar]

It certainly seemed like a direct and sarcastic attack on my personal integrity.

Dude really ... knowing what is posted on this forum all day every day ... you're sensitive to just that post? :laugh:

I was NOT being sarcastic at all, let alone at you. I'm dead serious ... I truly don't give a crap about how tired some people are over a little inconvenience and irritation, I'm NOT being sarcastic in the least ... I really don't give a shit.

[The Xl]

Why is the suffering of unrelated people justified because people from another era think they are "STILL" superior?

Exactly ... so tell me why ... ?

Once again and for the last time, I'm NOT accusing ANYONE here of ANYTHING ... I'm saying don't expect me to show any sympathy to anyone over a few decades of inconvenience and irritation ... it just ain't going to happen. I have too many first hand and first person stories to do that and I don't care you doesn't like it.

That's because you have a group mentality and don't care about individuals, unrelated ones

And who thinks they're still superior? The whole white race? Give me a break.

[Cigar]

Nah, that young white kid from a low income house who gets passed up for a good school because of the color of his skin deserves it cuz $#@! whitey

Now that's Funny :laugh:

[The Xl]

There is no shortage of what people think ... we see that all day every day on this forum.

Because your views aren't racist or anything. You'd have more credibility if you acknowledged that you're a racist. It's crigeworthy when you talk about and vilify the white racists on this board, as if you're not a racist yourself

[The Xl]

Now that's Funny :laugh:
More or less accurate, sums up your train of thought.

You're no different or better than mac

[Cigar]

That's because you have a group mentality and don't care about individuals, unrelated ones

And who thinks they're still superior? The whole white race? Give me a break.

No actually I'm pointing the finger at few Mother Fuckers on this Forum and we all know who they are. In all reality, the only racism I come in direct contact with, is right here on this forum and that's exactly where I'd expect it to be hiding and excused made for them.

:grin: The only group I'm concered with is my family, friends, business and my employees, because my circle of control don't extend any further.

[Cigar]

More or less accurate, sums up your train of thought.

You're no different or better than mac

Your knowledge and experience maybe vast, but I doubt you have a clue about me personally.

Don't let the internet fool you.

[Common]

There is no shortage of what people think ... we see that all day every day on this forum.

Cigar there are as many white kids under duress as black kids today. In case you havent noticed theres many white people without jobs along with blacks and walmart has tons of white people working with blacks for coolie wages to make the waltons richers. Theres more homeless white people than black

This is NOT 1970 anymore and the chip you have on your shoulder about the past isnt going to help anyone or anything. It certainly is NOT ever going to make race relations get any better.

Now I stand by my statement that affirmative action has outlived its usefulness and its original intent and its time for everyone that makes it to the door of college to compete equally.

If you want to discuss minority problem in the ghetto and in grade schools thats a different ballgame.

If a black kid graduates high school there is no reason in 2015 that he cannot compete on an intellectual level with any white kid. Black kids are just as smart as white kids given the same education.

[del]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCI-gNK_y4

poor bob

a day late and a dollar short

again

[Cigar]

Because your views aren't racist or anything. You'd have more credibility if you acknowledged that you're a racist. It's crigeworthy when you talk about and vilify the white racists on this board, as if you're not a racist yourself

Once again ... you're on the internet, credibility is a figment of your imagination :laugh:

You are making decisions based on post on an Internet Forum ... it ain't that important to anyone day to day life, at least not my life sport.

So take it easy, don't squeeze it all off in one night. :laugh:

[Dr. Who]

Excellent point. As I recall, there isn't even a disparity in terms of race. Black cops kill black suspects at a rate similar to that of white cops.
I realize that, which is why I am of the opinion that the police are being increasingly militarized on the one hand and taught to avoid all danger on the other hand. It is a recipe for disaster, which is reflected in all of the unarmed suspect killings. That doesn't mean that there are no racist PDs, because there are, however where PDs are fairly integrated it is unlikely that racism is the root cause of these incidents. It's more likely that certain neighborhoods are treated differently by all officers because of the high crime rate. It doesn't make things more equitable because cops are presuming that everyone in a given neighborhood is a perp or potential perp and based on that assumption immediately assume that they are somehow deadly. However it is what it is. My criticism goes to training and protocol in those situations.

[Cigar]

Cigar there are as many white kids under duress as black kids today. In case you havent noticed theres many white people without jobs along with blacks and walmart has tons of white people working with blacks for coolie wages to make the waltons richers. Theres more homeless white people than black

This is NOT 1970 anymore and the chip you have on your shoulder about the past isnt going to help anyone or anything. It certainly is NOT ever going to make race relations get any better.

Now I stand by my statement that affirmative action has outlived its usefulness and its original intent and its time for everyone that makes it to the door of college to compete equally.

If you want to discuss minority problem in the ghetto and in grade schools thats a different ballgame.

If a black kid graduates high school there is no reason in 2015 that he cannot compete on an intellectual level with any white kid. Black kids are just as smart as white kids given the same education.


For the last time, you're on the internet, you don't know me or what I know, so let's stop digging.

I know a thing or two about poor children ... I have been part of this organization for the beginning ...

I've posted this before ... http://www.waco4kids.org/

[Cigar]

More low level racist nonsense.

I'm not sure how you can't see that cigar is a racist, @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226).

That white kid who gets passed up for a school because of aa sure deserves it, $#@! that kid for what he did to blacks.


I'm far worse than a Racist, I'm a Racist worse nightmare, becaue I'm the Mother Fucker who won't take any shit off of them.

Political Forum Membership isn't so important to me that I will allow a Racist to attack me without me saying anything back.

Got it sport ... I'm an in yo-face type, not a back down type.

[Safety]

More low level racist nonsense.

I'm not sure how you can't see that cigar is a racist, Safety.

That white kid who gets passed up for a school because of aa sure deserves it, fuck that kid for what he did to blacks.

I have no doubt that Cigar is a troll, but to call him a racist on this forum when you have the likes of libhater, Mac-7, and a few select others would be the same as a conservative calling Obama racist. I created this thread after reading a post in the hole about how whites were targeted, but to this point there has not been a case made where that is the issue. The only incidences brought up were AA and quotas.

If that is the extent of whites being targeted, then the outrage is misplaced, for I have more than on one occasion shown that white females have been the biggest recipient of AA and quotas. Now if the discussion is the targeting of white christian males, then we can start the list. I will still say that the whole "AA is targeting whites" is nothing more than ammunition for the libhater and Mac-7 types who can't come out and say "I hate niggers, won't you join me?", no they try to due it subtly. Just like the KKK in trying to recruit at Selma, they use stats from crime to make a case for why any decent white person should stand with them and not with the "blacks and hispanics".

If you recall, the same type of propaganda was used to sway the citizens's mind about jews in 1929.

[Dr. Who]

Dude really ... knowing what is posted on this forum all day every day ... you're sensitive to just that post? :laugh:

I was NOT being sarcastic at all, let alone at you. I'm dead serious ... I truly don't give a crap about how tired some people are over a little inconvenience and irritation, I'm NOT being sarcastic in the least ... I really don't give a shit.
The fact that you say that you don't give a shit belies your participation on this forum, not to mention your suggestion that you are "dead serious", unless you are stating that you are simply trolling for its own sake. Otherwise, since I never indicated that I was tired, irritated or inconvenienced, I don't understand your rather emotional attack on my post.

[The Xl]

I'm far worse than a Racist, I'm a Racist worse nightmare, becaue I'm the Mother Fucker who won't take any shit off of them.

Political Forum Membership isn't so important to me that I will allow a Racist to attack me without me saying anything back.

Got it sport ... I'm an in yo-face type, not a back down type.

Nah you're just a racist.

I'm not particularly the back down type either, so I'll call it like it is, and their ain't a fuckin thing you can do about it, sport.

[Cigar]

The fact that you say that you don't give a $#@! belies your participation on this forum, not to mention your suggestion that you are "dead serious", unless you are stating that you are simply trolling for its own sake. Otherwise, since I never indicated that I was tired, irritated or inconvenienced, I don't understand your rather emotional attack on my post.

I've said what I wanted to say, then I explained it several times ... I'm not asking or insisting that anyone agree with me. It's my opinion and if some take is as a personal attack, all I have to say is ... why would they?

I'm just comparing the time with time ... and a walk in the shoes ... simple math for most.

I'm done :grin: Carry On

[Cigar]

Nah you're just a racist.

I'm not particularly the back down type either, so I'll call it like it is, and their ain't a $#@!in thing you can do about it, sport.

Sure there is ... there's always something that can be done ... you just need to be adventurous, resourceful, bold and a risk-taker. :wink:

I've been that all my life. :grin:

Looking forward to hearing from you. :wink:

[The Xl]

I have no doubt that Cigar is a troll, but to call him a racist on this forum when you have the likes of libhater, Mac-7, and a few select others would be the same as a conservative calling Obama racist. I created this thread after reading a post in the hole about how whites were targeted, but to this point there has not been a case made where that is the issue. The only incidences brought up were AA and quotas.

If that is the extent of whites being targeted, then the outrage is misplaced, for I have more than on one occasion shown that white females have been the biggest recipient of AA and quotas. Now if the discussion is the targeting of white christian males, then we can start the list. I will still say that the whole "AA is targeting whites" is nothing more than ammunition for the libhater and Mac-7 types who can't come out and say "I hate niggers, won't you join me?", no they try to due it subtly. Just like the KKK in trying to recruit at Selma, they use stats from crime to make a case for why any decent white person should stand with them and not with the "blacks and hispanics".

If you recall, the same type of propaganda was used to sway the citizens's mind about jews in 1929.

Cigar thinks whites should pay for their fathers sins, he is a racist. It's disappointing that you continually give him a pass on the matter. I don't think aa is the only thing area where whites are discriminated against, they have to watch what they say and be extremely politically correct, that's a big social issue, I'd say.

And minority females get preferable aa than white females do, at least when it comes to schooling, and I know this personally.

[The Xl]

Sure there is ... there's always something that can be done ... you just need to be adventurous, resourceful, bold and a risk-taker. :wink:

I've been that all my life. :grin:

Looking forward to hearing from you. :wink:

The only thing you've been your whole life is ain't shit.

Sport.

[Dr. Who]

I've said what I wanted to say, then I explained it several times ... I'm not asking or insisting that anyone agree with me. It's my opinion and if some take is as a personal attack, all I have to say is ... why would they?

I'm just comparing the time with time ... and a walk in the shoes ... simple math for most.

I'm done :grin: Carry On
It's a personal attack because you used the quote function. If you intended it to be general, you should have used the general reply option. Whatever Cigar. I have always given you more credit than that.

[Safety]

I've said what I wanted to say, then I explained it several times ... I'm not asking or insisting that anyone agree with me. It's my opinion and if some take is as a personal attack, all I have to say is ... why would they?

I'm just comparing the time with time ... and a walk in the shoes ... simple math for most.

I'm done :grin: Carry On

You should read posts more closely before making accusations. It would be very out of character for Dr. Who to make racial comments based solely upon my time here on this forum. Being brash and offensive is not a way to get people to see your point of view, it actually causes a reverse reaction than what is intended. I tend to give you a lot of leeway in your comments based upon reading what protectionist and mac posts, but when you start insulting members who often are in agreeance to your position, you cross the line.

Not everyone is out to get you.

[The Xl]

For the record, @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226), I'm not comparing what the government and media puts whites through vs what they put blacks through. When you consider the racist drug war, economics that hurt the poor and black, among other things, blacks have it worse, on average. I'm merely stating that the notion that whites go through no racism, institutionalized or otherwise, is false. Matter of fact, poor whites have it really rough because they don't have the resources most whites do, and they don't necessarily always have access to the programs that minorities do. I also have an issue with the notion that white people who do suffer deserve it because unrelated whites did horrible things.

[Safety]

Cigar thinks whites should pay for their fathers sins, he is a racist. It's disappointing that you continually give him a pass on the matter. I don't think aa is the only thing area where whites are discriminated against, they have to watch what they say and be extremely politically correct, that's a big social issue, I'd say.

And minority females get preferable aa than white females do, at least when it comes to schooling, and I know this personally.

The only ones who have to watch what they say are the ones who are saying something that can be offensive, no? PC is just another way of whining about not being able to say what you want to say due to social stigma.

Want to take a look at the enrollment numbers for medical school and decide preferable treatment?

total enrollment: 85,160. American Indian or Alaskan Native: 205. Asian: 17,396. Black: 5,335. Hispanic: 3,444. Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: 117. White: 47,392. There are other categories like mixed race and multiple race, etc.

If you say 100% of every Black or Latino got in due to AA, you are still only talking about less than 6% of Black is enrolled and 4% of Latinos enrolled for a whopping 10% of the total. That is if you say EVERY black and latino enrolled is due to AA, which we know is not the case.

You have more white students denied admission due to legacy students then you do for AA. But these white nationalists will have you convinced that blacks are gaming the system knocking whites out of college at a rate of 90%.

Open your eyes man, look at who is pulling the strings.

[Safety]

For the record, @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226), I'm not comparing what the government and media puts whites through vs what they put blacks through. When you consider the racist drug war, economics that hurt the poor and black, among other things, blacks have it worse, on average. I'm merely stating that the notion that whites go through no racism, institutionalized or otherwise, is false. Matter of fact, poor whites have it really rough because they don't have the resources most whites do, and they don't necessarily always have access to the programs that minorities do. I also have an issue with the notion that white people who do suffer deserve it because unrelated whites did horrible things.


This is where we need to focus our energy and outrage, it is less about melanin content and more about the haves and have nots.

[The Xl]

The only ones who have to watch what they say are the ones who are saying something that can be offensive, no? PC is just another way of whining about not being able to say what you want to say due to social stigma.

Want to take a look at the enrollment numbers for medical school and decide preferable treatment?

total enrollment: 85,160. American Indian or Alaskan Native: 205. Asian: 17,396. Black: 5,335. Hispanic: 3,444. Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: 117. White: 47,392. There are other categories like mixed race and multiple race, etc.

If you say 100% of every Black or Latino got in due to AA, you are still only talking about less than 6% of Black is enrolled and 4% of Latinos enrolled for a whopping 10% of the total. That is if you say EVERY black and latino enrolled is due to AA, which we know is not the case.

You have more white students denied admission due to legacy students then you do for AA.

Open your eyes man, look at who is pulling the strings.

That's medical school, I don't really know the details with that. You may be right. That's still somewhat skewed because I don't know the volume of how many attempted to get in vs what their grades were, but that may have some legs.

I know for certain, personally, people passed up in high school and colleges to hit a racial quota, people with lower grades and less income.

[The Xl]

This is where we need to focus our energy and outrage, it is less about melanin content and more about the haves and have nots.
I agree with that 1000%.

Whatever racial divisions and tensions that still exist do so because they all lump us in superficially by appearance and set different rules and standards for us by our skin colors. They artificially create that division. Take it away and make us all equal by the law, affirmative action, the drug war, stop and frisk, the whole nine, and we'll finally be an equal people, not black or white, but just humans and individuals.

I just strive for a free, equal, and just society. For all of us. I hope I see that day.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Just because we don't bitch and moan incessantly about it doesn't mean it's not happening. I feel like other people think they are entitled to something from me because of my skin color.

[Dr. Who]

Just because we don't bitch and moan incessantly about it doesn't mean it's not happening. I feel like other people think they are entitled to something from me because of my skin color.
That's you, but not everyone feels that way. And BTW, based on this forum there is no scarcity of bitching and moaning.

[GrassrootsConservative]

That's you, but not everyone feels that way. And BTW, based on this forum there is no scarcity of bitching and moaning.

Why do you think that is? Could it be because we reward bitching and moaning all of a sudden? We didn't used to. People used to handle shit like men.

[Cthulhu]

When I am done working out tonight I will poke this thread with a stick.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Cthulhu]

Damn it all...

Never again will I type out a small essay on a phone again.

Whatever.

Watch this and tell me what is wrong with it, if you can't point it out, I will.

http://youtu.be/T549VoLca_Q

This is just the tip of the iceberg for what the stormfronters will call anti white advertising.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Safety]

Damn it all...

Never again will I type out a small essay on a phone again.

Whatever.

Watch this and tell me what is wrong with it, if you can't point it out, I will.

http://youtu.be/T549VoLca_Q

This is just the tip of the iceberg for what the stormfronters will call anti white advertising.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

In my opinion, if that is what stormfronters are calling "anti-white" advertising, then they are deserving of any mockery people give them. My only guess to the point you are making is the fact that there wasn't a person who said calling someone a "cracker" or "honky" is not acceptable.

That's not being "anti-white" or "targeted". That's being that person who says after all the recognition is given out, "Hey what about me?"

An example of anti-something and targeting would be..... "Don't bring your black friends to the games" - D. Sterling, or "stop and frisk".

[Captain Obvious]

Damn it all...

Never again will I type out a small essay on a phone again.

Whatever.

Watch this and tell me what is wrong with it, if you can't point it out, I will.

http://youtu.be/T549VoLca_Q

This is just the tip of the iceberg for what the stormfronters will call anti white advertising.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

The token white participant is a tard?

[Safety]

The token white participant is a tard?

You know, I had a co-worker once who is a good friend (older gentleman about 63 years old), say to me, "I'm upset that there are names that I could be called that would offend me"...I stopped chewing my food for a second and looked at him like this:

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsJ/8591-30282.jpg

He continued by saying he grew up in PA, and the blacks had their neighborhood, the Italians had their neighborhood, and the Jews had their neighborhood. They could go anywhere in their own area, but dared not to enter another's territory. But he could go from area to area and not have a problem, even in the black area where he had a couple of friends, he was walking and his friends said "we can't go that way" he was like, "why not?" not understanding it was another territory.

So, I'm guessing he was missing out on the "excitement" of being chased after or something. I see that a lot in conversations like these that deal with race.

[Captain Obvious]

You know, I had a co-worker once who is a good friend (older gentleman about 63 years old), say to me, "I'm upset that there are names that I could be called that would offend me"...I stopped chewing my food for a second and looked at him.

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsJ/8591-30282.jpg

He continued by saying he grew up in PA, and the blacks had their neighborhood, the Italians had their neighborhood, and the Jews had their neighborhood. They could go anywhere in their own area, but dared not to enter another's territory. But he could go from area to area and not have a problem, even in the black area where he had a couple of friends, he was walking and his friends said "we can't go that way" he was like, "why not?" not understanding it was another territory.

So, I'm guessing he was missing out on the "excitement" of being chased after or something. I see that a lot in conversations like these that deal with race.

eh... wot

[Safety]

eh... wot

That picture is the look I gave him.

[Captain Obvious]

That picture is the look I gave him.

Not sure where the point was going, can you dumb that down for me?

[Safety]

Not sure where the point was going, can you dumb that down for me?

Sure, co-worker said that he was upset that there were no derogatory words that he could be called that offended him. He then went on to talk about his childhood in PA where everyone but him (white guy) had "their" territory. They couldn't go into another's territory, but he could go into everybody's. I guess the point he was making was that he felt "left out".

[Captain Obvious]

Disagree. This thread was kind of funny.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60078838.jpg

[Mister D]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60078838.jpg

My bad, actually. I thought this was Cigar's whine.

[Captain Obvious]

My bad, actually. I thought this was Cigar's whine.

No, that one got closed so I carried this over here.

Went through all the trouble of making that meme and hit "post" and got the message "sorry, thread closed".

Fuck that!

:biglaugh:

[Safety]

So, back on topic, is it pretty safe to say that there has not been any established targeting of whites presented in this thread?

[PolWatch]

What is wrong with the video? To me it seems that some people don't know simple courtesy. Instead of labeling people for their choice of labels, why not just use the description my mother used....rude and tacky? Who can call someone what name without being labeled? Most people learn by age 5 or so that calling someone names is not nice. Let's skip racial, cultural sensitivity and go back to old fashioned good manners.

[The Xl]

If that is all it takes for a person to jump from being non-racist to racist based upon what you wrote, AA, race card, and PC double standard, then the ground work is already there. It seems that posts like this:

aren't met with the same disdain as what people accuse Cigar of, but yet here we are saying how much he is racist. If you say Archer is in the same category as Mac, libhater, et al., then Cigar is the sole survivor fighting on this forum.



Not from a non racist to a racist, but it can take someone who doesn't pay much attention to race to being conscious of it in a bad way. It creates racial tension. The same things occur in the black community when the tables are turned, I know this for a fact. When people are made out to be the bad guy or discriminated against when they didn't do anything, it doesn't sit well, and human nature takes its course.

Archer has a fraction of Cigars posts and not all of his posts are race related. Seriously, when we get morons who have 40,000+ posts and create anti black threads all over the place, I'll be all over it. 70% of my posts on Trinns forum were arguing with inbred retard white racists.

[Private Pickle]

So, back on topic, is it pretty safe to say that there has not been any established targeting of whites presented in this thread?

What do you mean by "established targeting"?

[The Xl]

So, back on topic, is it pretty safe to say that there has not been any established targeting of whites presented in this thread?

Affirmative Action and political correctness. Let's keep it real, blacks can say a lot of shit and get away with it, and whites have to walk on eggshells.

[Cigar]

Will you tow bitches still be Whining and Wetting your Diapers next week about AA? :grin:

Try some depends for pete sakes, you're starting to smell like 3 month olds. :laugh:

[Safety]

Not from a non racist to a racist, but it can take someone who doesn't pay much attention to race to being conscious of it in a bad way. It creates racial tension. The same things occur in the black community when the tables are turned, I know this for a fact. When people are made out to be the bad guy or discriminated against when they didn't do anything, it doesn't sit well, and human nature takes its course.

Archer has a fraction of Cigars posts and not all of his posts are race related. Seriously, when we get morons who have 40,000+ posts and create anti black threads all over the place, I'll be all over it. 70% of my posts on Trinns forum were arguing with inbred retard white racists.

I know where you are coming from, but we are talking about people who clearly have an agenda vs just people talking about politics. If you allow only one side to dominate the conversation, that's when things start to get skewed. I made my comment about one Cigar vs at least three or four white nationalists. I'm the type to look at context whenever I respond to a discussion, and if the context is someone trying to change a mindset, like what libhater, mac, blackrook, and a few others try to do, vs someone like Cigar who goes about it the wrong way, I'm always going to try to help the underdog.

That's what I see in my opinion.

[Private Pickle]

Affirmative Action and political correctness. Let's keep it real, blacks can say a lot of shit and get away with it, and whites have to walk on eggshells.

Not to mention benefits on loans, minority owned business grants and subsidies and of course just being a "protected class".

[The Xl]

Will you tow bitches still be Whining and Wetting your Diapers next week about AA? :grin:

Try some depends for pete sakes, you're starting to smell like 3 month olds. :laugh:

The premise of the thread is whites being targeted, so naturally AA will come up.

Idiot.

[The Xl]

Not to mention benefits on loans, minority owned business grants and subsidies and of course just being a "protected class".

I'm not going to go there because blacks are a lot more fucked by the system when it comes to economics.

[Safety]

Affirmative Action and political correctness. Let's keep it real, blacks can say a lot of shit and get away with it, and whites have to walk on eggshells.

Context once again. Give an example of something a black can say that a white can't say.

[Safety]

Not to mention benefits on loans, minority owned business grants and subsidies and of course just being a "protected class".

Dude, stop. You're late to the party and have no idea what is going on.


What do you mean by "established targeting"?

Read the OP.

[Private Pickle]

I'm not going to go there because blacks are a lot more fucked by the system when it comes to economics.

While I kinda agree with you it is still a racist mechanism.

[Private Pickle]

Dude, stop. You're late to the party and have no idea what is going on.



Read the OP.

I did. I'll just debate the people that want to debate if you don't mind.

[Safety]

While I kinda agree with you it is still a racist mechanism.

A mechanism that was in place to counter a racist policy.

[Safety]

I did. I'll just debate the people that want to debate if you don't mind.

Do that.

[Private Pickle]

Context once again. Give an example of something a black can say that a white can't say.

The "N" word?

[Private Pickle]

A mechanism that was in place to counter a racist policy.

The policies of yesteryear and racist nonetheless.

[Cigar]

Let's cut to the chase and get to the bottom line;

Is all this bitching and complaining going to produce a Baby or are you just Cramping all week? :roflmao:

[Safety]

The "N" word?

Context once again. There are plenty of people of all colors who use the "nigga" word. Now if you mean "nigger" then the only people who use that words are the ones that want to disparage blacks.

Example....

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/64/6494d9a65195279d35717e6d97375037c34660e076011dc05b cc67011a212df0.jpg

[Mister D]

Affirmative Action and political correctness. Let's keep it real, blacks can say a lot of $#@! and get away with it, and whites have to walk on eggshells.

For example, they can reate racially charged threads daily on this forum without beds being shat and loads of drama.

[Safety]

The policies of yesteryear and racist nonetheless.

When is the cut off point to know when the policy is no longer needed? Is there an established end of life cycle for a program to gauge it's effectiveness?

[Safety]

For example, they can reate racially charged threads daily on this forum without beds being shat and loads of drama.

They?

[Mister D]

They?

Yes. The plural was used so I responded in the plural.

[Cigar]

They?

You know Mister D don't Role alone :laugh:

If you stand him up all by himself, he falls backwards. :grin:

[Cigar]

Context once again. There are plenty of people of all colors who use the "nigga" word. Now if you mean "$#@!" then the only people who use that words are the ones that want to disparage blacks.

Example....

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/64/6494d9a65195279d35717e6d97375037c34660e076011dc05b cc67011a212df0.jpg

I aways said, when doubt, ask one :laugh:

[The Xl]

While I kinda agree with you it is still a racist mechanism.

It was the poor, who are mostly black taking the hit to pay for mostly white peoples savings and stock. I'm not touching general economics, you won't win that argument.

[Private Pickle]

Context once again. There are plenty of people of all colors who use the "nigga" word. Now if you mean "nigger" then the only people who use that words are the ones that want to disparage blacks.

Example....

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/64/6494d9a65195279d35717e6d97375037c34660e076011dc05b cc67011a212df0.jpg

I understand what you are saying. My point is, that one shouldn't basically lose the 1st Ammendment right because they disparage black people. White people are disparaged and blamed for a lot of things. The typical response to that is "oh boo hoo, poor whitey is acting like a victim". That answer does not speak to the racism at hand. It justifies it.

While there is no doubt that our forefathers benefitted from the exploitation of minorities the same does not hold true today. Society, laws and perceptions have changed drastically opening the doors for minorities to take advantage of things they previously didn't have access to without creating racist laws.

[The Xl]

Context once again. Give an example of something a black can say that a white can't say.

Regardless of context and intent, black racial insults are met with more outrage than any other group. Honestly, in the right situation and to the right people, even having a discussion on AA would be considered racist. You'll have some blacks, the MSM, and white guilt types saying that it should be a given that I pay for the sins of others.

[Private Pickle]

It was the poor, who are mostly black taking the hit to pay for mostly white peoples savings and stock. I'm not touching general economics, you won't win that argument.

I don't understand. The "poor" don't pay taxes in this country and in many cases have a variety of entitlement programs to rely on. How are they paying for people's savings and stock? If anything they are taking a percentage of the profits.

[Safety]

I understand what you are saying. My point is, that one shouldn't basically lose the 1st Ammendment right because they disparage black people. White people are disparaged and blamed for a lot of things. The typical response to that is "oh boo hoo, poor whitey is acting like a victim". That answer does not speak to the racism at hand. It justifies it.

While there is no doubt that our forefathers benefitted from the exploitation of minorities the same does not hold true today. Society, laws and perceptions have changed drastically opening the doors for minorities to take advantage of things they previously didn't have access to without creating racist laws.

Dude, you're not losing any 1st amendment right. The government is not coming to get you for saying "nigger", however your employer may see that as a blight on his company and get rid of you. That's called "consequences". The question I have for you is: Why do some try so hard to justify not being able to use the word nigger? I for one wish the word would go away, but I have no control over what someone else does or says. Say it all you want, you can even say it to my face, and I'd just smile and not think twice about it.

In my opinion, if you know better and still want to use the word, then that speaks to your mindset. That's on the same level as walking up to a mentally challenged person and screaming "retard" into their face. If it brings you joy to do it, then have at it.

[Private Pickle]

When is the cut off point to know when the policy is no longer needed? Is there an established end of life cycle for a program to gauge it's effectiveness?

The policy is racist and should never have been introduced in the first place. We already have laws on discrimination. That is our cutoff point.

[The Xl]

I don't understand. The "poor" don't pay taxes in this country and in many cases have a variety of entitlement programs to rely on. How are they paying for people's savings and stock? If anything they are taking a percentage of the profits.

When the government inflates the currency(Biggest hit on the poor) to prop up the stock market and save bankers, it's the wealthy who benefit off their backs, and the majority of the poor are black, and the majority of the wealthy are white.

One of the biggest lies in the country is that the poor always take from the rich, it's frequently the other way around and nobody even sees it.

[Cigar]

Dude, you're not losing any 1st amendment right. The government is not coming to get you for saying "$#@!", however your employer may see that as a blight on his company and get rid of you. That's called "consequences". The question I have for you is: Why do some try so hard to justify not being able to use the word $#@!? I for one wish the word would go away, but I have no control over what someone else does or says. Say it all you want, you can even say it to my face, and I'd just smile and not think twice about it.

In my opinion, if you know better and still want to use the word, then that speaks to your mindset. That's on the same level as walking up to a mentally challenged person and screaming "retard" into their face. If it brings you joy to do it, then have at it.



Dude I don't know how you deal with all these Boo-Hooing and Whooo is me, under privileged crybabies. :laugh:

[Private Pickle]

Dude, you're not losing any 1st amendment right. The government is not coming to get you for saying "nigger", however your employer may see that as a blight on his company and get rid of you. That's called "consequences". The question I have for you is: Why do some try so hard to justify not being able to use the word nigger? I for one wish the word would go away, but I have no control over what someone else does or says. Say it all you want, you can even say it to my face, and I'd just smile and not think twice about it.

In my opinion, if you know better and still want to use the word, then that speaks to your mindset. That's on the same level as walking up to a mentally challenged person and screaming "retard" into their face. If it brings you joy to do it, then have at it.

To me it's a question of Constitutionality not the actual word itself. While I understand that the "consequences" of free speech could effect one socially it shouldn't effect one personally. I can think of plenty of professors who were fired, students who were expelled and people who lost their jobs for having an individual personal opinion. Is that really who we are as a country?

[Private Pickle]

When the government inflates the currency(Biggest hit on the poor) to prop up the stock market and save bankers, it's the wealthy who benefit off their backs, and the majority of the poor are black, and the majority of the wealthy are white.

One of the biggest lies in the country is that the poor always take from the rich, it's frequently the other way around and nobody even sees it.

I would disagree and say the middle-class shoulders that burden. Not the poor.

[Cigar]

I would disagree and say the middle-class shoulders that burden. Not the poor.

What Middle Class ... you mean the one The GOP won't give Tax Breaks to?

[Private Pickle]

Dude I don't know how you deal with all these Boo-Hooing and Whooo is me, under privileged crybabies. :laugh:

Point in case. Justification of racist policies by simply calling someone a crybaby. It's an interesting approach if you're in 3rd grade.

[Safety]

Regardless of context and intent, black racial insults are met with more outrage than any other group. Honestly, in the right situation and to the right people, even having a discussion on AA would be considered racist. You'll have some blacks, the MSM, and white guilt types saying that it should be a given that I pay for the sins of others.

I think they are met with more outrage, because of the extensive history behind the terms. I'm not jewish, but I wouldn't walk around yelling "kike" all day, or I wouldn't call someone from Mexico espalda mojada.

Italians were called wops, but they routinely called each other dago as a term of endearment. But let someone else outside call them a dago. Bottom line is that every time a point wants to be made about whites being targeted, it's always about either AA or using the n-word. The sad thing is blacks arent' even the main recipients and yet here we are...

[Private Pickle]

What Middle Class ... you mean the one The GOP won't give Tax Breaks to?

If I have to explain the different classes then I'm just going to assume you have no idea what you're talking about and at the end of the day it's simply about race baiting with you.

[The Xl]

I would disagree and say the middle-class shoulders that burden. Not the poor.

The middle class certainly takes a hit, but when the Fed is printing out all this money causing inflation, the poor take the biggest it on it, by far.

[Safety]

To me it's a question of Constitutionality not the actual word itself. While I understand that the "consequences" of free speech could effect one socially it shouldn't effect one personally. I can think of plenty of professors who were fired, students who were expelled and people who lost their jobs for having an individual personal opinion. Is that really who we are as a country?

Yea, that's called "consequences" once again. You have no expectation of keeping your job if you cause a disturbance that affects your employer negatively. Now, back in the day you could say the word nigger, and you would get promoted or a slap on the back. Those days are long gone my friend. You want to live in a decent society, then this is how a decent society operates.

[PolWatch]

if you really want a laugh...go back over this thread and see how many times the word 'bitch' is used in a derogatory way. How 'bout insulting each other by comparing reactions to 'crying like a girl' or asking if someone is on their period? Discriminatory or not?

[Private Pickle]

I think they are met with more outrage, because of the extensive history behind the terms. I'm not jewish, but I wouldn't walk around yelling "kike" all day, or I wouldn't call someone from Mexico espalda mojada.

Italians were called wops, but they routinely called each other dago as a term of endearment. But let someone else outside call them a dago. Bottom line is that every time a point wants to be made about whites being targeted, it's always about either AA or using the n-word. The sad thing is blacks arent' even the main recipients and yet here we are...

Well you did ask what a black person can say that a white person can't and the n-word is a good example. AA is an example of what you referred to as and I'm paraphrasing here, an institutionalized racist program.

[The Xl]

I think they are met with more outrage, because of the extensive history behind the terms. I'm not jewish, but I wouldn't walk around yelling "kike" all day, or I wouldn't call someone from Mexico espalda mojada.

Italians were called wops, but they routinely called each other dago as a term of endearment. But let someone else outside call them a dago. Bottom line is that every time a point wants to be made about whites being targeted, it's always about either AA or using the n-word. The sad thing is blacks arent' even the main recipients and yet here we are...

Whites females are the main recipient by volume because there are more of them than minority females. They shouldn't be getting a handout either.

[Cthulhu]

The token white participant is a tard?
And the other was a "fag".

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Cigar]

Whites females are the main recipient by volume because there are more of them than minority females. They shouldn't be getting a handout either.

So what are you going to do abouit?

[PolWatch]

So what are you going to do abouit?

I solved that problem by refusing to participate! I retired.....:rollseyes:

[Private Pickle]

Yea, that's called "consequences" once again. You have no expectation of keeping your job if you cause a disturbance that affects your employer negatively. Now, back in the day you could say the word nigger, and you would get promoted or a slap on the back. Those days are long gone my friend. You want to live in a decent society, then this is how a decent society operates.

Well that's my point exactly. Those days are gone my friend and as such do not need the racist programs that target opinions the American public as a whole don't hold. A decent society does not implement racist rules to combat racism. That in and of itself should be self-evident.

[The Xl]

So what are you going to do abouit?

Try saying something intelligent, for once.

I'm one dude, the fuck can I do?

[Cthulhu]

In my opinion, if that is what stormfronters are calling "anti-white" advertising, then they are deserving of any mockery people give them. My only guess to the point you are making is the fact that there wasn't a person who said calling someone a "cracker" or "honky" is not acceptable.

That's not being "anti-white" or "targeted". That's being that person who says after all the recognition is given out, "Hey what about me?"

An example of anti-something and targeting would be..... "Don't bring your black friends to the games" - D. Sterling, or "stop and frisk".

If your going to make a commercial about ending slurs, why leave the whites out of the pie on it?

This is the tamest version of it.

There is also Kambujon(?) And his address at cspan calling for the extermination of whites on national television and receiving applause for the insane idea.

It's all over the place. But is just media.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Private Pickle]

The middle class certainly takes a hit, but when the Fed is printing out all this money causing inflation, the poor take the biggest it on it, by far.

But it's not causing inflation. As a matter of fact inflation is dropping. Currently at -.09% compared to .76% last month which is much lower than the long-term average of 3.32%.

Perhaps typically what you are saying is true it isn't and hasn't been during this economic downturn.

[Cigar]

Try saying something intelligent, for once.

I'm one dude, the $#@! can I do?

Bitch and Complain like you always do. :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

Context once again. There are plenty of people of all colors who use the "nigga" word. Now if you mean "nigger" then the only people who use that words are the ones that want to disparage blacks.

Example....

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/64/6494d9a65195279d35717e6d97375037c34660e076011dc05b cc67011a212df0.jpg

"Nigger" has a lot of baggage with it anymore and some people like me don't get caught up in words and figure that if it's ok for two bruthas to call each other that then why can't I - especially if my intent is not to harm or with bad intentions, which it's not.

"Nigga" is kind of a way of saying "Nigger" but in a "what's up, mah nigga" kinda way.

[Safety]

The policy is racist and should never have been introduced in the first place. We already have laws on discrimination. That is our cutoff point.

Laws are one thing, a company that wants to diversify their employee base is another.

[Captain Obvious]

And the other was a "fag".

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

When white people can be "nigs" or "chinks" or "spicks" (using the video's terms) then dial me up, I'll make the popcorn.

[Captain Obvious]

Cigar is doing noting but running absolute confusion in this thread, somebody should just TB him for the sake of the rest of the active participants.

[Safety]

"Nigger" has a lot of baggage with it anymore and some people like me don't get caught up in words and figure that if it's ok for two bruthas to call each other that then why can't I - especially if my intent is not to harm or with bad intentions, which it's not.

"Nigga" is kind of a way of saying "Nigger" but in a "what's up, mah nigga" kinda way.

Yes, it was derived from the word nigger and used to try and soften the blow when whites called them that for so long. But there is a difference whether or not you put the "-ah" on the end or "-er".

[Captain Obvious]

Yes, it was derived from the word nigger and used to try and soften the blow when whites called them that for so long. But there is a difference whether or not you put the "-ah" on the end or "-er".

Right, that's kind of what I said.

I'm an intent guy (vs a word guy) but I also know that certain words start a chain reaction of bedshitting sometimes and for the sake of world peace it's sometimes better to just STFU.

So the memes and shit I use tend to have "Nigga" on them for that reason, world peace.

Not sure how to get "****" back on the radar tho...

[The Xl]

Bitch and Complain like you always do. :laugh:

That's rich coming from you.

[Cthulhu]

Will you tow $#@!es still be Whining and Wetting your Diapers next week about AA? :grin:

Try some depends for pete sakes, you're starting to smell like 3 month olds. :laugh:
Thanks for bring up another point Cigar.

What if we told blacks that after slavery was abolished? Probably wouldn't sit well with them, and rightly so.

You can either be humane towards all mankind, or a racial elitist.

The problem now days is that some racial elitism gets a pass whereas only whites get hounded for doing it. Sometimes even when they aren't.

There is too much sensitivity on the race topic to have honest discussions about it most of the time.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Private Pickle]

Laws are one thing, a company that wants to diversify their employee base is another.

Which is why we have the discrimination laws that ironically appear not to apply to whites. If an employer wants to diversify their employment base then, while racist, they can take it upon themselves to hire whomever they want. AA forces diversity upon them regardless of whether they want to diversify or even hire the best candidate for the job.

[Cigar]

Which is why we have the discrimination laws that ironically appear not to apply to whites. If an employer wants to diversify their employment base then, while racist, they can take it upon themselves to hire whomever they want. AA forces diversity upon them regardless of whether they want to diversify or even hire the best candidate for the job.

Mostly covers Government backed agencies

[Private Pickle]

Mostly covers Government backed agencies

Yeah...that's exactly what we need. People being hired into government positions not because of their qualifications but because of the color of their skin.

[Safety]

If your going to make a commercial about ending slurs, why leave the whites out of the pie on it?

This is the tamest version of it.

There is also Kambujon(?) And his address at cspan calling for the extermination of whites on national television and receiving applause for the insane idea.

It's all over the place. But is just media.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

I am fully aware of the professor you speak about and the NBPP who said to "eat cracker babies", but once again, when you have extremes on both sides you take the number of extremes into account.

Look at the list below, which do you think is more comprehensive?

Black/African American

Af
(Rhodesia) African to a white Rhodesian (Rhodie).[1]
Ape
(U.S.) a black person.[2]
Béni-oui-oui
Mostly used during the French colonization of Algeria as a derogatory term to describe Algerian Muslims.[3]
Bluegum
An offensive slur used by some United States white Southerners for an African-American perceived as being lazy and who refuses to work.[4]
Boogie
a black person (film noire) "The boogies lowered the boom on Beaver Canal".[5]
Buck
a black person, also used to describe Native Americans.
Buffie
a black person.[6]
Burrhead / Burr-head / Burr head
(U.S.) a black person (referencing stereotypical hair type).[7]
Colored
(U.S.) a Black person. Once generally accepted as inoffensive, this word is now considered disrespectful by some. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People continues to use its full name unapologetically. Some black Americans have reclaimed this word and softened it in the expression "a person of color."
Coon
(U.S. & U.K) a black person. Possibly from Portuguese barracoos, a building constructed to hold slaves for sale. (1837).[8]
Crow
a black person,[9] spec. a black woman.
Eggplant
(U.S.) A black person. In the 1979 film, "The Jerk", the leading character played by Steve Martin is advised by his associates to keep the "eggplants" out of his planned housing development. "Eggplants?" Steve asks. "Yeah, the Jungle Bunnies.", says the other guy. "Of course. Bunnies will eat the eggplants", says Steve. "No, I mean the niggers", says the other guy. "What!", says Steve Martin, "I am a nigger."[10]
Fuzzies
(U.K.) A black person. In the 1964 film classic, "Zulu", the British officer played by Michael Caine refers to the Zulus as "fuzzies".[11]
Gable
a black person.[6]
Golliwogg
(UK Commonwealth) a dark-skinned person, after Florence Kate Upton's children's book character [12]
Jigaboo, jiggabo, jijjiboo, zigabo, jig, jigg, jiggy, jigga
(U.S. & UK) a black person (JB) with stereotypical black features (dark skin, wide nose, etc.) Used to refer to mannerisms that resemble dancing.
Jim Crow
(U.S.) a black person; also the name for the segregation laws prevalent in much of the United States until the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s.[13]
Jim Fish
(South Africa) a black person[14]
Kaffir, kaffer, kaffir, kafir, kaffre
(South Africa) a. a black person. Considered very offensive.
Macaca
Epithet used to describe a Negro (originally) or a person of North-African origin (more recently).
Mammy
Domestic servant of African descent, generally good-natured, often overweight, and loud.[15]
Mosshead
a black person.[6]
Munt
(among whites in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Zambia) a black person from muntu, the singular of Bantu[16]
Nig-nog
(UK & U.S.) a black person.[17]
Nigger / nigra / nigga / niggah / nigguh
(U.S., UK) An offensive term for a black person. From the word negro which means the color black in numerous languages. Diminutive appellations include "Nigg" and "Nigz." Over time, the terms "Nigga" and "Niggaz" (plural) have come to be frequently used between some African-Americans without the negative associations of "Nigger."
Niglet / nigglet
a black child
Nigra / negra / niggra / nigrah / nigruh
(U.S.) offensive for a black person [first used in the early 1900s][18]
Pickaninny
a term – generally considered derogatory – that in English usage refers to black children, or a caricature of them which is widely considered racist.
Porch monkey
a black person,[19]
Powder burn
a black person.[6]
Quashie
a black person.[6]
Sambo
(U.S.) a derogatory term for an African American, Black, or sometimes a South Asian person.[15][20]
Smoked Irish / smoked Irishman
(U.S.) 19th century term for Blacks (intended to insult both Blacks and Irish).[6]
Sooty
a black person [originated in the U.S. in the 1950s][21]
Spade
A black person.[22] recorded since 1928 (OED), from the playing cards suit.
Spook
a black person.
Tar baby
(UK; U.S.; and N.Z.) a black child.[23]
Teapot
(British) a black person. [1800s][24]
Thicklips
a black person.[6]


White/European

Bule
(Indonesia) White people; literally, "albino", but used in the same way that "colored" might be used to refer to a black person to mean any white person.[48]
Charlie
Mildly derogatory term used by African Americans, mainly in the 1960s and 1970s, to refer to a white person (from James Baldwin's play, Blues For Mister Charlie).[49]
Coonass or coon-ass
(U.S.) a Cajun; may be derived from the French conasse. May be used among Cajuns themselves. Not considered to be derogatory in most circumstances.
Cracker
(U.S.) Derogatory term for whites, particularly from the American South.[50]
Gringo
(The Americas) Non-Hispanic U.S. national. Hence Gringolandia, the United States; not always a pejorative term, unless used with intent to offend.[51]
Gubba
(AUS) Aboriginal (Koori) term for white people[52] – derived from Governor / Gubbanah
Gweilo, gwailo, or kwai lo (鬼佬)
(Hong Kong and South China) A White man. Gwei means "ghost." The color white is associated with ghosts in China. A lo is a regular guy (i.e. a fellow, a chap, or a bloke). Once a mark of xenophobia, the word was promoted by Maoists and is now in general, informal use.[53]
Honky (U.S.)
Offensive term for a white person.
Haole (Hawaii)
Usually not offensive, can be derogatory if intended to offend. Used by modern-day Native Hawaiians to refer to anyone of European descent whether native born or not. Use has spread to many other islands of the Pacific and is known in modern pop culture.[54]
Mangia cake / cake (Canada)
A derogatory term used by Italian Canadians to disdainfully describe those of Anglo-Saxon descent (from Italian, literally 'cake eater'). One suggestion is that this term originated from the perception of Italian immigrants that Canadian bread is sweet as cake in comparison to the rustic bread eaten by Italians.[55]
Medigan / Amedigan (U.S.)
Similar to "mangia cake." A term used by Italian Americans to refer to Americans of White Anglo Saxon Protestant descent, Americans with no discernible ethnicity, or non-Italian Americans in general. Comes from Southern Italian pronunciation of the Italian word "americano." [56][57][58][59][60][61]
Ofay
(US) a white person, unknown etymology.[7][62]
Arkie
A person from the State of Arkansas, used during the great depression to describe farmers from Arkansas looking for work else where.
Okie
A person from the State of Oklahoma, used during the great depression to describe farmers from Oklahoma looking for work else where.
Peckerwood
(U.S.) a white person (southerner). This word was coined in the 19th century by Southern blacks to describe poor whites. They[63]

[Cigar]

Yeah...that's exactly what we need. People being hired into government positions not because of their qualifications but because of the color of their skin.

:rollseyes: Oh God the level of stupidity on this Forum ... because we all know Women, Veterans and The Disabled arn't qualified.

BTW .. what's your Professional Experience in negotiating Goverment Contracts?

[Cthulhu]

Context once again. Give an example of something a black can say that a white can't say.
It isn't that they can't say it, it that if they say it, there will likely be reprisals.

For example, say I called Cigar a "nigger". I would get flak for it, but if his other black friend said it they might just roll it off. Hell it might even be seen as friendly.

This tells me it isn't the message, but the messenger.

I've been called cracker and honkey, don't care for it, but I'm not gonna let it dictate my happiness. I would suggest others do the same.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

[Mister D]

Cigar is doing noting but running absolute confusion in this thread, somebody should just TB him for the sake of the rest of the active participants.

QFT

Seriously, the discussion has potential. He doesn't.

[Safety]

Well that's my point exactly. Those days are gone my friend and as such do not need the racist programs that target opinions the American public as a whole don't hold. A decent society does not implement racist rules to combat racism. That in and of itself should be self-evident.

Yes, but America is a country of more than just only whites. That's why those policies were enacted to try to overcome the inherent bias that people experienced when the slave became the same full citizen as the rest of the country.

[Cthulhu]

A mechanism that was in place to counter a racist policy.
Tradition. Not policy.

Jim Crow was another story though. Good idea, badly implemented.

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[Archer0915]

Who? :huh:

What Whites are being targeted? :huh:

Actually yes. Actually everyone is being targeted for one thing or another. Some due to race, some faith, some religious affiliation, some guns, some who the marry, some who they associate with...

Can you think of anyone who is not being targeted for one thing or another?

[Mister D]

Yes, but America is a country of more than just only whites. That's why those policies were enacted to try to overcome the inherent bias that people experienced when the slave became the same full citizen as the rest of the country.

Yet America became an extremely diverse country against the wishes of its historic white population. That's one way whites are indeed targeted. I have since had a chnage of mind to the extent that I will acknowledge that the system as such is hostile to every historic, organic identity not just ours.

[The Xl]

Their was nothing wrong with Affirmative Action 50 years ago. Those people were directly affected by government discrimination.

[Safety]

It isn't that they can't say it, it that if they say it, there will likely be reprisals.

For example, say I called Cigar a "nigger". I would get flak for it, but if his other black friend said it they might just roll it off. Hell it might even be seen as friendly.

This tells me it isn't the message, but the messenger.

I've been called cracker and honkey, don't care for it, but I'm not gonna let it dictate my happiness. I would suggest others do the same.

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That's because cracker and honky doesn't have the same effect as the word nigger does. If you study history, there was never a time where white people were degraded on a scale as blacks were. Never. So to try and equate using the word nigger, to you being called honky is a false equivalency. Plus you are trying to enact social change from what was once ok to now being taboo, back to it being ok.

Call an Italian a wop when you're not Italian or don't know the person to see what happens, and guess what....they're white.

[Private Pickle]

:rollseyes: Oh God the level of stupidity on this Forum ... because we all know Women, Veterans and The Disabled arn't qualified.

BTW .. what's your Professional Experience in negotiating Goverment Contracts?

A lot actually. Government Contracts are rarely negotiated on within the private sector. Typically the government releases an RFP (Request for Proposal) that outlines the requirements. Vendors responding to those RFP have a certain amount of time to submit their proposal. The contracts division than looks at the submitted proposal and awards the project to the best fit. Typically this is centered around pricing and the vendor that helped the government create the RFP. What's your point?

Protected classes are a form of racism/bigotry. Just because someone is a woman, black or a veteran shouldn't give them an unconstitutional advantage.

[Safety]

Yet America became an extremely diverse country against the wishes of its historic white population. That's one way whites are indeed targeted. I have since had a chnage of mind to the extent that I will acknowledge that the system as such is hostile to every historic, organic identity not just ours.

No, that's not whites being targeted, that's some whites being self centered. There's a difference.

[Cigar]

Their was nothing wrong with Affirmative Action 50 years ago. Those people were directly affected by government discrimination.

So let's cut ot the chase so we don't have to do this all over again during next weeks Conservative bitch sessions.

WHEN ARE YOU ENDING Affirmative Action :laugh:

http://oddstuffmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Tick-Tock.gif

[Mister D]

No, that's not whites being targeted, that's some whites being self centered. There's a difference.

You prove my point. Preserving your culture and homeland is "self-centered" if you're white.

[Safety]

Tradition. Not policy.

Jim Crow was another story though. Good idea, badly implemented.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

Jim Crow was a good idea? Going to have to come with more data supporting your view.

[Safety]

You prove my point. Preserving your culture and homeland is "self-centered" if you're white.

America isn't the homeland for whites. It isn't the homeland for blacks or Asians or hispanics.

[Cigar]

You prove my point. Preserving your culture and homeland is "self-centered" if you're white.

So sice it's bother you personally, whe nare you Ending AA?

Give us a date and time.

[Private Pickle]

That's because cracker and honky doesn't have the same effect as the word nigger does. If you study history, there was never a time where white people were degraded on a scale as blacks were. Never. So to try and equate using the word nigger, to you being called honky is a false equivalency. Plus you are trying to enact social change from what was once ok to now being taboo, back to it being ok.

Call an Italian a wop when you're not Italian or don't know the person to see what happens, and guess what....they're white.

I would disagree. The Jews, the Irish immigrating to the U.S. And other examples point to a time where white people were just as degraded if not more so than blacks.

[Cthulhu]

Yes, it was derived from the word $#@! and used to try and soften the blow when whites called them that for so long. But there is a difference whether or not you put the "-ah" on the end or "-er".
While the ending does have a difference, you won't catch most whites using either one. Because of visceral reprisals that typically follow.

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[Cigar]

Tradition. Not policy.

Jim Crow was another story though. Good idea, badly implemented.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

I got an idea, how about we try it again ... this time in Chicago :grin:

[Safety]

I would disagree. The Jews, the Irish immigrating to the U.S. And other examples point to a time where white people were just as degraded if not more so than blacks.

They were not considered white at that time. Ask Mister D.

Now that they are considered white, well.....

[Mister D]

America isn't the homeland for whites. It isn't the homeland for blacks or Asians or hispanics.

Sure it is. America is a historically white nation. That was true well into the 1970s. Again, you prove my point. Self-preservation is wrong...if you're white.

[Mister D]

They were not considered white at that time. Ask @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4).

Now that they are considered white, well.....

They were on the census. Didn't we have that discussion?

[Cigar]

While the ending does have a difference, you won't catch most whites using either one. Because of visceral reprisals that typically follow.

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No ... really :laugh:

[Safety]

While the ending does have a difference, you won't catch most whites using either one. Because of visceral reprisals that typically follow.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

Because it's hard to distinguish the chaff from the wheat. Jeff Foxworthy can say redneck all day long and make millions. Bill Maher can say redneck and twitter will blow up.

Context. Some choose to use it as endearment, some choose to denigrate.

[Cigar]

Sure it is. America is a historically white nation. That was true well into the 1970s. Again, you prove my point. Self-preservation is wrong...if you're white.

You forget ... the increasing mixing of the races ... :grin:

A lot of dipping the wick is going on. :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

Because it's hard to distinguish the chaff from the wheat. Jeff Foxworthy can say redneck all day long and make millions. Bill Maher can say redneck and twitter will blow up.

Context. Some choose to use it as endearment, some choose to denigrate.

That's because Maher is an ass plug, he has far more enemies than Foxworthy has.

[The Xl]

So let's cut ot the chase so we don't have to do this all over again during next weeks Conservative bitch sessions.

WHEN ARE YOU ENDING Affirmative Action :laugh:

http://oddstuffmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Tick-Tock.gif

Around the same time you end police shootings.

Do you even think before you post?

[Mister D]

Around the same time you end police shootings.

Do you even think before you post?

The white version of Cigar would be gloating over police shootings.

[Safety]

Sure it is. America is a historically white nation. That was true well into the 1970s. Again, you prove my point. Self-preservation is wrong...if you're white.

America was a historically white colony. When they decided to bring africans over to work the fields they didn't look down the road as to what to do with them once that was over. They are citizens now, so the preservation of the homeland is a dream once lost. If you want to celebrate German culture, go for it. If you want to celebrate British culture, go for it. You can celebrate American culture, but to say it is a white culture is in error.

[Private Pickle]

Yes, but America is a country of more than just only whites. That's why those policies were enacted to try to overcome the inherent bias that people experienced when the slave became the same full citizen as the rest of the country.

So two things. Per your own admission those days are long gone and secondly fighting bias with bias is destructive in its nature and only adds to the divide between races, sexes and classes.

[Safety]

That's because Maher is an ass plug, he has far more enemies than Foxworthy has.

You can substitute Maher for Maddow, same principal.

[Safety]

So two things. Per your own admission those days are long gone and secondly fighting bias with bias is destructive in its nature and only adds to the divide between races, sexes and classes.

I agree. That's why I said AA should be gone.

[Cthulhu]

I am fully aware of the professor you speak about and the NBPP who said to "eat cracker babies", but once again, when you have extremes on both sides you take the number of extremes into account.

Look at the list below, which do you think is more comprehensive?

Black/African American



White/European
The length of the lists while impressive, are irrelevant.

What is relevant is treatment towards both. Blacks collectively had a raw deal in coming to America. But that doesn't mean we should you ish the innocent descendants of the whites or blacks.

Like I said earlier, you can either be humane to all mankind, or be a racial elitist. Not much in the way of options.

Same goes for religions or associations if you want to go deeper.

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[Safety]

They were on the census. Didn't we have that discussion?

sure, they may have been on the census, but the Irish and Italians at first were not considered "white" for social reasons.

[Private Pickle]

They were not considered white at that time. Ask @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4).

Now that they are considered white, well.....

The Irish weren't considered white?

[Captain Obvious]

The Irish weren't considered white?

Reds

Pre 1942 and post 1945

[Mister D]

America was a historically white colony. When they decided to bring africans over to work the fields they didn't look down the road as to what to do with them once that was over. They are citizens now, so the preservation of the homeland is a dream once lost. If you want to celebrate German culture, go for it. If you want to celebrate British culture, go for it. You can celebrate American culture, but to say it is a white culture is in error.

The presence of an African minority has been disastrous in every respect but I am on record acknowledging a moral duty to learn to live together with blacks. That said, again, the US (not the British colony...the nation) was a white nation for most of its history regardless of slavery or black citizenship.

[Safety]

The length of the lists while impressive, are irrelevant.

What is relevant is treatment towards both. Blacks collectively had a raw deal in coming to America. But that doesn't mean we should you ish the innocent descendants of the whites or blacks.

Like I said earlier, you can either be humane to all mankind, or be a racial elitist. Not much in the way of options.

Same goes for religions or associations if you want to go deeper.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

I have never condoned punishing anyone for what their forefathers have done. I am basically explaining why these policies were in place, which is to give a leg up to people who were dealt a bum hand. Don't confuse what I am posting to what Cigar is posting.

[Cigar]

The Irish weren't considered white?

Not when they Won the lasat Championship :grin:

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/162/d/9/boston_celtics_wallpaper_by_lisong24kobe-d532qhl.jpg

[Cthulhu]

Yes, but America is a country of more than just only whites. That's why those policies were enacted to try to overcome the inherent bias that people experienced when the slave became the same full citizen as the rest of the country.
That is true of Europe as well.

However you don't see China or Japan or Turkey being hung with diversity. None of them are committing racial suicide.

Only predominantly white nations are bombarded with diversity.

I say meh, it has been foretold in scripture. The pendulum swings both ways.

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[Safety]

The presence of an African minority has been disastrous in every respect but I am on record acknowledging a moral duty to learn to live with together. That said, again, the US (not the British colony...the nation) was a white nation for most of its history regardless of slavery or black citizenship.

It was. When immigration allowed citizenship from different countries, that white nation label was erased. Now if you want to argue that America is a white majority nation, then I tip my hat to you.

[Captain Obvious]

Not when they Won the lasat Championship :grin:

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/162/d/9/boston_celtics_wallpaper_by_lisong24kobe-d532qhl.jpg

Not since Larry Bird.

:biglaugh:

[Mister D]

sure, they may have been on the census, but the Irish and Italians at first were not considered "white" for social reasons.

They became socially "white" so quickly because they were white to begin with.

[Cigar]

I have never condoned punishing anyone for what their forefathers have done. I am basically explaining why these policies were in place, which is to give a leg up to people who were dealt a bum hand. Don't confuse what I am posting to what Cigar is posting.

I don't speak for anyone but myself, and if you can show where I'm condoning hurting someone, I'm sure it's me I'm talking about.

[Private Pickle]

Reds

Pre 1942 and post 1945

Like Communists?

[Cigar]

Not since Larry Bird.

:biglaugh:

Hey that was a great team ... I loved it when they beat the Bad Boys of Detroit :laugh:

[The Xl]

I find it sad that this discussion needs to be had, if the government didn't discriminate against any race, we wouldn't have this problem.

[Mister D]

It was. When immigration allowed citizenship from different countries, that white nation label was erased. Now if you want to argue that America is a white majority nation, then I tip my hat to you.

Yes, it was slowly erased and against our will which was my point.

[Mister D]

I find it sad that this discussion needs to be had, if the government didn't discriminate against any race, we wouldn't have this problem.

We wouldn't have this problem if we weren't together.

[Safety]

That is true of Europe as well.

However you don't see China or Japan or Turkey being hung with diversity. None of them are committing racial suicide.

Only predominantly white nations are bombarded with diversity.

I say meh, it has been foretold in scripture. The pendulum swings both ways.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

Nobody is legislating policy in those nations to hinder the growth of minorities. The majority are just having sex and making babies.

1st world countries have a lower birth rate due to the way people live their life. There is no policy in America that is telling one race or another to not have babies.

If you think some "interracial" cheerio commercial is somehow sending subliminal messages to white women to screw black men, then I will just say "riiiiight".

[The Xl]

We wouldn't have this problem if we weren't together.

You can artificially create division between any group, can be by religion, by ethnicity, by hair color, anything. People said the same thing you asset now about other types of white people, it eventually corrected itself.

[Safety]

Yes, it was slowly erased and against our will which was my point.

So, basically no matter what is said or presented, the bottom line is "we whites will always be mad because America is not white"?

[Captain Obvious]

Nobody is legislating policy in those nations to hinder the growth of minorities. The majority are just having sex and making babies.

1st world countries have a lower birth rate due to the way people live their life. There is no policy in America that is telling one race or another to not have babies.

If you think some "interracial" cheerio commercial is somehow sending subliminal messages to white women to screw black men, then I will just say "riiiiight".

Diversity only works in small soundbites, isolated fragments.

On the whole it's a failure, for a number of reasons, not the single fault of any specific group.

That I believe.

[Mister D]

That is true of Europe as well.

However you don't see China or Japan or Turkey being hung with diversity. None of them are committing racial suicide.

Only predominantly white nations are bombarded with diversity.

I say meh, it has been foretold in scripture. The pendulum swings both ways.

Sent from my evil kitten eating cell phone.

Yes, our way of life is slated for destruction first.

[Mister D]

So, basically no matter what is said or presented, the bottom line is "we whites will always be mad because America is not white"?

No, the bottom line is whites are targeted in that most existential of ways.

[Mister D]

You can artificially create division between any group, can be by religion, by ethnicity, by hair color, anything. People said the same thing you asset now about other types of white people, it eventually corrected itself.

Yes, funny how other whites quickly get alogn with each other.

[The Xl]

Nobody is legislating policy in those nations to hinder the growth of minorities. The majority are just having sex and making babies.

1st world countries have a lower birth rate due to the way people live their life. There is no policy in America that is telling one race or another to not have babies.

If you think some "interracial" cheerio commercial is somehow sending subliminal messages to white women to screw black men, then I will just say "riiiiight".

Yeah, I never bought the advertising argument.

[Captain Obvious]

Yes, funny how other whites quickly get alogn with each other.

You've never gone fishing on opening day of trout anywhere in the NE states I see.

:biglaugh:

[The Xl]

Yes, funny how other whites quickly get alogn with each other.

It took quite a while, actually.

[Safety]

You can artificially create division between any group, can be by religion, by ethnicity, by hair color, anything. People said the same thing you asset now about other types of white people, it eventually corrected itself.

That's the point I'm trying to wake people up on....blacks are an easy target, because you can easily determine who fits and who doesn't. Not so easy when it comes to hating on red hair or brown eyes, because they are recessive genes that can skip a generation. Want to be mad about AA, great, let's get mad about AA. But don't get mad about AA because of blacks, because that is a non-starter.

[Safety]

Yes, funny how other whites quickly get alogn with each other.

When there is a common goal or enemy...sure.

[Mister D]

That's the point I'm trying to wake people up on....blacks are an easy target, because you can easily determine who fits and who doesn't. Not so easy when it comes to hating on red hair or brown eyes, because they are recessive genes that can skip a generation. Want to be mad about AA, great, let's get mad about AA. But don't get mad about AA because of blacks, because that is a non-starter.

Mind you, I don't fault blacks, non-white Hispanics etc. I fault liberalism and capitalism.

[Mister D]

When there is a common goal or enemy...sure.

You mean common European roots. yes, I agree.

[Mister D]

It took quite a while, actually.

2 generations at most. Whites quickly became indistinguishable from each other in terms of education and income.