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Cigar
06-29-2012, 07:04 AM
It’s great fun watching the right-wing broadcasters, Websites, bloggers, et al, try to debunk the debunker in the embarrassing revelations contained in the Fortune magazine investigative story by reporter Katherine Eban that concluded that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. That charge is at the core of the Contempt of a Congress citation against Attorney General, Eric Holder. Didn’t happen! Nonetheless, congress voted to hold Holder in such contempt. All republicans supported the action and even a number of spineless democrats.

The enterprising Ms. Eban researched the story for 6 months. She’s the classic ‘have laptop will travel’ enterprise reporter with an interest in just about everything. Ms. Eban (Katherine Eban Finkelstein when she was a Metro Reporter for the NY Times) has contributed her literary skills to dozens of different magazines including liberal favorites, The Nation and Vanity Fair. She wrote a book back in 2005 entitled Dangerous Doses, all about counterfeiters contaminating America’s drug supply. You can buy it new online for a couple of bucks, used for less than one buck.

Fortune is owned by Time Inc. Time owns 21 titles as diverse as Southern Living and Health. Their most recognized titles would be Time magazine, Fortune and a simplistic piece of mind candy called ‘People’. They can take the hit; the advertiser hit that’s sure to befall them after daring to publish a truth that makes republicans look bad.

Here are the highlights.

Full article here: http://www.politicususa.com/issas-committee-lied-fast-furious-lead-holder-farce.html

MMC
06-29-2012, 07:58 AM
The tactic of letting guns walk, rather than interdicting (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Interdiction) them and arresting the buyers, led to controversy within the ATF. As the case continued, several members of Group VII, including John Dodson and Olindo Casa, became increasingly upset at the tactic of allowing guns to walk. Their standard Project Gunrunner training was to follow the straw purchasers to the hand-off to the cartel buyers, then arrest both parties and seize the guns. But according to Dodson, they watched guns being bought illegally and stashed on a daily basis, while their supervisors, including David Voth and Hope MacAllister, prevented the agents from intervening.However, other accounts of the operation insist that ATF agents were prevented from intervening not by ATF officials, but rather by federal prosecutors with the Attorney General's office, who were unsure of whether the agents had sufficient evidence to arrest suspected straw-buyers. According to some reports, many agents insisted they were prevented from making arrests because prosecutors were unwilling to engage in what could become a potentially contentious political battle over Second Amendment rights during an election year, particularly given the difficult nature of prosecuting straw buyers, and the weak penalties associated with it, even if successful. Instead, prosecutors instructed ATF agents not to make arrests, but rather continue collecting evidence in order to build a stronger case. One tactic proposed for doing so was a wiretap of suspected straw-buyers, in an attempt to link the suspects to criminal activities taking place on the Mexican side of the border.

On the evening of December 14, 2010, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and others were patrolling Peck Canyon, Santa Cruz County, Arizona (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Santa_Cruz_County,_Arizona), 11 miles from the Mexican border. The group came across five suspected illegal immigrants. When they fired non-lethal beanbag guns, the suspects responded with their own weapons, leading to a firefight. Terry was shot and killed; four of the suspects were arrested and two AK-pattern rifles were found nearby. The rifles were traced to Fast and Furious within hours of the shooting, but the bullet that killed Terry was too badly damaged to be linked to either gun.

After hearing of the incident, Dodson reached out to ATF headquarters, ATF's chief counsel, the ATF ethics section and the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice_Office_of_the_ Inspector_General), none of whom immediately responded. He and other agents then contacted Senator (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Senate) Chuck Grassley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Chuck_Grassley) of Iowa (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Iowa) (R–IA), ranking member (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Ranking_member) of the Senate Judiciary Committee (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Judiciary), who would become a major figure in the investigation of "gunwalking". At the same time, information began leaking to various bloggers and Web sites.

Newell, who was at the conference, called Fast and Furious a "phenomenal case," while denying that guns had been deliberately allowed to walk into Mexico.

Altogether, 2,020 firearms were bought by straw purchasers during Fast and Furious. These included AK-47 variants (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/AK-47_variant), Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifles, .38 caliber revolvers, and FN Five-sevens (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/FN_Five-seven). As of October 20, 2011 (2011 -10-20)[update] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ATF_gunwalking_scandal&action=edit), 389 had been recovered in the US and 276 had been recovered in Mexico. The rest remained on the streets, unaccounted for. Most of the guns went to the Sinaloa Cartel (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel), while others made their way to El Teo (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/El_Teo) and La Familia (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/La_Familia_Michoacana)


In August, three important Fast and Furious supervisors were transferred to new management positions at ATF headquarters in Washington: William Newell and David Voth, field supervisors who oversaw the program from Phoenix, and William McMahon, an ATF deputy director of operations. The transfers were initially reported as promotions by the Los Angeles Times, but the ATF stated that they did not receive raises or take on greater responsibilities. In late August, it was announced that ATF Director Melson had been reassigned to the Justice Department, and U.S. Attorney Burke announced his resignation after being questioned by Congressional investigators earlier that month.....snip~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fast_and_Furious#2009.E2.80.932011:_Oper ation_Fast_and_Furious

You really do need to catch up to speed on this. This is just from Wiki has and its refrenced sources. Just the basics and even here it shows what went down. They denied the Gun-walking to Mexico. Then the investigation proved otherwise and that they did gun-walk the weapons to Mexico.

Moreover Terry is not the only one killed he is the Border Patrol agent that was killed. Zapata US ICE Agent was also killed by one of the weapons. Then All 3 Heads were transferred to Washington.

Cigar
06-29-2012, 08:16 AM
So ... can you explain "why" Mr. Issa refuses to allow any of the witnesses the Democratic Congress called?

Why is that?

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

MMC
06-29-2012, 08:44 AM
So ... can you explain "why" Mr. Issa refuses to allow any of the witnesses the Democratic Congress called?

Why is that?

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Did you forget that Burke took the 5th. Moreover you need to read the piece Issa has Witnesses and their statements. Who do you think Dodson and Casa are and most of Group VII?

Mainecoons
06-29-2012, 08:57 AM
You really do need to catch up to speed on this. This is just from Wiki has and its refrenced sources. Just the basics and even here it shows what went down. They denied the Gun-walking to Mexico. Then the investigation proved otherwise and that they did gun-walk the weapons to Mexico.

Moreover Terry is not the only one killed he is the Border Patrol agent that was killed. Zapata US ICE Agent was also killed by one of the weapons. Then All 3 Heads were transferred to Washington.

He is up to speed. He just keeps repeating the same lies and misrepresentations hoping that at some point they will stick.

Cigar
06-29-2012, 09:00 AM
He is up to speed. He just keeps repeating the same lies and misrepresentations hoping that at some point they will stick.

Look Sport ... the Guy who is Running the Investigation said there's NO EVIDENCE of Wrongdoing ... !

NEXT!

MMC
06-29-2012, 09:06 AM
Look Sport ... the Guy who is Running the Investigation said there's NO EVIDENCE of Wrongdoing ... !

NEXT!

Look Rookie.....the Agents that Investigate and run the Operation, do all the Work and paperwork.. Says there is evidence and can validate the Gun-Walking into Mexico. SO in Essence -4 to 5 direct agents of the ATF are calling Holder a LIAR!!!!! :grin:


Course now Congress is calling him one to, including 15 Democrats. :wink:

Cigar
06-29-2012, 09:09 AM
Look Rookie.....the Agents that Investigate and run the Operation, do all the Work and paperwork.. Says there is evidence and can validate the Gun-Walking into Mexico. SO in Essence -4 to 5 direct agents of the AFT are calling Holder a LIAR!!!!! :grin:

Wow ... all 4 or 5 of them ... how overwhelming that must be for Mr. AG Holder. :)

MMC
06-29-2012, 09:14 AM
Wow ... all 4 or 5 of them ... how overwhelming that must be for Mr. AG Holder. :)

Yeah.....I know since it only takes one Whistleblower to bring down that stack of cards. :grin:

Lets hope no one decides to file criminal charges against Holder. That would be even more Icing on the Cake. Think the man in Charge of the Justice Dept. Can state he is above the Law? :evil:

Cigar
06-29-2012, 09:24 AM
Yeah.....I know since it only takes one Whistleblower to bring down that stack of cards. :grin:

Lets hope no one decides to file criminal charges against Holder. That would be even more Icing on the Cake. Think the man in Charge of the Justice Dept. Can state he is above the Law? :evil:


wait a minute ... is this Valerie Plame ? :)

MMC
06-29-2012, 09:33 AM
wait a minute ... is this Valerie Plame ? :)



No..... :nono: this Eric Holder's Jet Plane. Going down in flames. Think the EZE remembered to bring a parachute? :laugh: