View Full Version : Question for Democrats: Hillary's Emails
Green Arrow
03-17-2015, 09:11 PM
Since the forum Democrats have been working overtime lately to try and make everyone think there's much ado about nothing with regards to Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, I have a rather simple question.
If she has nothing to hide, if there's nothing whatsoever to be found, if this whole investigation is completely pointless, why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just hand over the server these emails are stored on and put all of this to rest once and for all?
Captain Obvious
03-17-2015, 09:14 PM
Since the forum Democrats have been working overtime lately to try and make everyone think there's much ado about nothing with regards to Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, I have a rather simple question.
If she has nothing to hide, if there's nothing whatsoever to be found, if this whole investigation is completely pointless, why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just hand over the server these emails are stored on and put all of this to rest once and for all?
She doesn't want folks to see her pilates regiment.
:biglaugh:
Peter1469
03-17-2015, 09:14 PM
Because she is a crook.
Dr. Who
03-17-2015, 09:21 PM
Since the forum Democrats have been working overtime lately to try and make everyone think there's much ado about nothing with regards to Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, I have a rather simple question.
If she has nothing to hide, if there's nothing whatsoever to be found, if this whole investigation is completely pointless, why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just hand over the server these emails are stored on and put all of this to rest once and for all?
Because politicians never do, just in case there is something damning in there. It's not like they remember every email. Of course even if the communications were through a government server there could be something that could cause problems, but if the server was legit, no one would be looking. Major solar flares are expected tonight. She should put the computer in the back yard.
Captain Obvious
03-17-2015, 09:23 PM
Because politicians never do, just in case there is something damning in there. It's not like they remember every email. Of course even if the communications were through a government server there could be something that could cause problems, but if the server was legit, no one would be looking. Major solar flares are expected tonight. She should put the computer in the back yard.
Kinda the point.
If her emails have "damning" stuff in it, wouldn't a more secure server be a better fit? Or at least from an appropriateness standpoint, use a company server?
The whole things is really bizarre, these are legitimate concerns.
Dr. Who
03-17-2015, 09:33 PM
Kinda the point.
If her emails have "damning" stuff in it, wouldn't a more secure server be a better fit? Or at least from an appropriateness standpoint, use a company server?
The whole things is really bizarre, these are legitimate concerns.
As I understand it, she didn't want to carry multiple cell phones. Shrug. If she did the bulk of her communications from her official email, then what's on her home server shouldn't be all that much, but things can be taken out of context I suppose. If I were her I would deliberately infect the computer with an unremoveable root sector virus that kills the whole thing. Oops.
Green Arrow
03-17-2015, 09:36 PM
As I understand it, she didn't want to carry multiple cell phones. Shrug. If she did the bulk of her communications from her official email, then what's on her home server shouldn't be all that much, but things can be taken out of context I suppose. If I were her I would deliberately infect the computer with an unremoveable root sector virus that kills the whole thing. Oops.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/9ehyr8/hillary-clinton-s-email-scandal
Howey
03-17-2015, 09:54 PM
Since the forum Democrats have been working overtime lately to try and make everyone think there's much ado about nothing with regards to Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, I have a rather simple question.
If she has nothing to hide, if there's nothing whatsoever to be found, if this whole investigation is completely pointless, why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just hand over the server these emails are stored on and put all of this to rest once and for all?
Why didn't McCain release his medical records in 2008?
Peter1469
03-17-2015, 09:57 PM
Why didn't McCain release his medical records in 2008?
Exempt from FOIA?
Dr. Who
03-17-2015, 10:00 PM
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/9ehyr8/hillary-clinton-s-email-scandal
Sorry, for some reason my computer won't play it.
Green Arrow
03-17-2015, 10:04 PM
Why didn't McCain release his medical records in 2008?
Because he didn't want to. You're not going to seriously conflate the issue, are you? Because if you are, I'm going to be highly disappointed.
And you still haven't answered my question.
Green Arrow
03-17-2015, 10:05 PM
Sorry, for some reason my computer won't play it.
Damn. Well, he basically made a joke about how she has people for that.
Howey
03-17-2015, 10:17 PM
Because he didn't want to. You're not going to seriously conflate the issue, are you? Because if you are, I'm going to be highly disappointed.
And you still haven't answered my question.
Ok. She doesn't want to.
Green Arrow
03-17-2015, 10:19 PM
Ok. She doesn't want to.
She would rather have this controversy continue unabated than end it now?
Why is that?
Howey
03-17-2015, 11:19 PM
She would rather have this controversy continue unabated than end it now?
Why is that?
Because she knows it for what it is? Manufactured outrage? She didn't break any laws, why should she release her personal emails?
domer76
03-17-2015, 11:48 PM
Since the forum Democrats have been working overtime lately to try and make everyone think there's much ado about nothing with regards to Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, I have a rather simple question.
If she has nothing to hide, if there's nothing whatsoever to be found, if this whole investigation is completely pointless, why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just hand over the server these emails are stored on and put all of this to rest once and for all?
The answer is Americans don't give a shit about this thing.
The other answer is that there's no such thing about transparency in government at the highest levels. There never has been. To think otherwise is naive.
The other answer is that this is nothing more than the latest iteration of attempts to bring down Hillary since the early 90s. Nothing sticks and it won't this time.
Nothing to hide? Probably something. But nothing that's really worth a damn. Just another witch hunt. You give them this and it still won't be satisfactory.
Green Arrow
03-18-2015, 12:22 AM
The answer is Americans don't give a shit about this thing.
Well, that's clearly false. I'm an American, as are Peter1469 and Captain Obvious, the three of us come from totally different backgrounds, and we all give a shit. I'm sure there are many, many others.
The other answer is that there's no such thing about transparency in government at the highest levels. There never has been. To think otherwise is naive.
I won't argue with you on that point, because you're right. There is no transparency in government and there never has been. Is that really acceptable to you, though? It's certainly not acceptable to me.
The other answer is that this is nothing more than the latest iteration of attempts to bring down Hillary since the early 90s. Nothing sticks and it won't this time.
I don't care about bringing down Hillary. Why would I? I don't believe she's running. I've been saying she's not going to run since long before this email controversy broke.
Nothing to hide? Probably something. But nothing that's really worth a damn.
How do you know, though?
Peter1469
03-18-2015, 04:37 AM
It is amazing that people don't care. But I guess that is why we have so many crooks holding political office.
Chris
03-18-2015, 05:37 AM
Free advertising. Keeps her name in the news.
Captain Obvious
03-18-2015, 06:45 AM
Free advertising. Keeps her name in the news.
Yeah - lol!
Christie got a lot of "free advertising" too, so did Herman Cain.
Captain Obvious
03-18-2015, 06:49 AM
It is amazing that people don't care. But I guess that is why we have so many crooks holding political office.
I've said this many times before, it amazes me how people fall right into a pre-defined political stereotype.
You can take a sample of the population, use tPF members for example although I think this sample would be skewed for obvious reasons, but take that sample, ask those people 20 questions like "your stance on abortion, unions, Ferguson, Romney, minimum wage, climate change, etc." and plot them based on their responses and I'm pretty sure a definitive bell curve will appear.
It's like people form their opinions based on a cook book process.
Mister D
03-18-2015, 08:04 AM
It is amazing that people don't care. But I guess that is why we have so many crooks holding political office.
No, it really isn't. This is the America you live in. Hillary could be hiding the bodies of little Thai kids Bill raped and murdered and they would still dismiss the allegations.
Mister D
03-18-2015, 08:04 AM
I've said this many times before, it amazes me how people fall right into a pre-defined political stereotype.
You can take a sample of the population, use tPF members for example although I think this sample would be skewed for obvious reasons, but take that sample, ask those people 20 questions like "your stance on abortion, unions, Ferguson, Romney, minimum wage, climate change, etc." and plot them based on their responses and I'm pretty sure a definitive bell curve will appear.
It's like people form their opinions based on a cook book process.
Absolutely.
Chris
03-18-2015, 08:11 AM
Yeah - lol!
Christie got a lot of "free advertising" too, so did Herman Cain.
It can backfire.
texan
03-18-2015, 08:40 AM
Since the forum Democrats have been working overtime lately to try and make everyone think there's much ado about nothing with regards to Mrs. Clinton's email controversy, I have a rather simple question.
If she has nothing to hide, if there's nothing whatsoever to be found, if this whole investigation is completely pointless, why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just hand over the server these emails are stored on and put all of this to rest once and for all?
Been sayin! And this goes for anyone else...........they just keep saying where is C. Powell's emails like this has something to do with anything today. Great defense................Oh and for that matter why are Obama's college records still locked away for no review when everyone else releases theirs? Humm, could it be because he filed as a foreign student (loop hole) to get his education paid for?
Cigar
03-18-2015, 09:51 AM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/18/hillary-vs-poll-skinny.png
Nobody's within ten of Clinton-Republican challengers destroyed!!!
texan
03-18-2015, 11:07 AM
Oh goody we are gonna scoreboard:
BiBi won!!!!!! Scoreboard!
Oh and you might check on Hillary's falling popularity rating. Keep in mind she hasn't hardly said anything about anything yet. So when she starts getting out there and talking about issues maybe I will do some score-boarding............Hillary gonna try and pick off all the glass ceiling women LOL!
Can't wait till the infighting with thin skinned Obama starts, oh that is going to be choice!
Damned if you do say his foreign policy is right, damned if you don't condemn it.......
Oh Geeze.. can you guys maybe work on a new meme?
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/smiley-face-yawning.gif
Because politicians never do, just in case there is something damning in there. It's not like they remember every email. Of course even if the communications were through a government server there could be something that could cause problems, but if the server was legit, no one would be looking. Major solar flares are expected tonight. She should put the computer in the back yard.
Are you actually approving her mismanagement of Federal property?
These polls with Hillary in front mean nothing to me.
All it measures is name recognition. She has the most. There is no disputing that. She has been well known to the public since the early 90s. She has had 25 years of constant recognition.
That is all the poll measures.
The republican candidate is unknown. Clearly this causes a lot of confusion.
The poll that matters happens in 2016.
Howey
03-18-2015, 11:31 AM
Oh and you might check on Hillary's falling popularity rating.
Source?
Green Arrow
03-18-2015, 01:51 PM
Oh Geeze.. can you guys maybe work on a new meme?
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/smiley-face-yawning.gif
Gonna answer the question? It's okay if you can't.
PolWatch
03-18-2015, 01:56 PM
I suspect its the same reason that no politician ever releases all of their private communications. They all have something to hide....the nature of the critters
Lineman
03-18-2015, 01:59 PM
Where are the 20 million+ emails that disappeared from the Private White House server during The Decider War Presidents term?
Green Arrow
03-18-2015, 02:08 PM
Where are the 20 million+ emails that disappeared from the Private White House server during The Decider War Presidents term?
Why don't you answer my question? Then I'll answer yours.
Cigar
03-18-2015, 02:16 PM
It is amazing that people don't care. But I guess that is why we have so many crooks holding political office.
Sure I care, but do I think The Benghazi Smoking Gun is located on an email Server ... really folks, do you actually think military operations was handled over email? Did and ex-employee break a company rule, the same rule that all the others at her position break, sure. Was it a Crime against humanity, no. Should she forward all company emails ... absolutely. Should she handover the Ex-President Server ... Fuck No and I'd tell The GOP to Kiss my Ass.
Next Subject
Captain Obvious
03-18-2015, 02:26 PM
Where are the 20 million+ emails that disappeared from the Private White House server during The Decider War Presidents term?
The Pee Wee Herman political discussion approach - ignore the original point and dig up some dirt from those who you despise and throw it at them.
That takes about 1/8oz of brains, glad you were up front about your limitations.
Captain Obvious
03-18-2015, 02:27 PM
Sure I care, but do I think The Benghazi Smoking Gun is located on an email Server ... really folks, do you actually think military operations was handled over email? Did and ex-employee break a company rule, the same rule that all the others at her position break, sure. Was it a Crime against humanity, no. Should she forward all company emails ... absolutely. Should she handover the Ex-President Server ... Fuck No and I'd tell The GOP to Kiss my Ass.
Next Subject
Or it could be she's hiding something completely different but still wholly corrupt.
That's the point, nobody will ever know.
And again, if this were a GOP POTUS candidate, you and the other pissant progressive bucket luggers would be doing cartwheels, and this is why you will never have more than zero credibility.
texan
03-18-2015, 02:42 PM
Source?
Man its so hard to find!
The results of a CNN/ORC poll (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/16/politics/hillary-clinton-email-poll-2016/index.html) released Monday afternoon show 53 percent of people have a favorable opinion of Clinton. That's down from 59 percent last November, 63 percent two years ago, and a high of 69 percent in September 2011.
Let me tell ya HOWEY, it ain't going up from this point forward and the gap on so-and-so vs. her that she enjoys while sitting in her dark closet will be getting closer when she starts yapping like last weeks performance. Hey look at me I am Hillary and I am ANNOYED at answering your questions!
Dr. Who
03-18-2015, 04:59 PM
Are you actually approving her mismanagement of Federal property?
No, but I think in the long run, it's unlikely to affect her chances in an election. The only people who would really care are mostly those who wouldn't vote for her anyway. Most people are becoming fairly inured to these tempests in a teapot.
No, but I think in the long run, it's unlikely to affect her chances in an election. The only people who would really care are mostly those who wouldn't vote for her anyway. Most people are becoming fairly inured to these tempests in a teapot.
She collapsed under the onslaught of an amateur. It can happen again. Obama was no good deal.
PolWatch
03-18-2015, 06:14 PM
3/18/2015 - Real Clear Politics
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2016 Republican Presidential Nomination (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html)
CNN/ORC (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Bush 16, Walker 13, Carson 9, Huckabee 10, Paul 12, Christie 7, Rubio 7, Cruz 4, Perry 4, Jindal 1, Santorum 1, Kasich 2 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html)
Bush +3
2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 62, Biden 15, Warren 10, Sanders 3, Webb 1, O'Malley 1 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html)
Clinton +47
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 55, Bush 40 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html)
Clinton +15
General Election: Walker vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_walker_vs_clinton-5335.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 55, Walker 40 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_walker_vs_clinton-5335.html)
Clinton +15
General Election: Paul vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_clinton-3825.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 54, Paul 43 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_clinton-3825.html)
Clinton +11
General Election: Christie vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_christie_vs_clinton-3766.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 55, Christie 40 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_christie_vs_clinton-3766.html)
Clinton +15
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 55, Rubio 42 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html)
Clinton +13
General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_huckabee_vs_clinton-4268.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 55, Huckabee 41 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_huckabee_vs_clinton-4268.html)
Clinton +14
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html)
CNN/Opinion Research (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/17/poll.2016.pdf)
Clinton 56, Carson 40 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_carson_vs_clinton-5119.html)
Clinton +16
Dr. Who
03-18-2015, 06:36 PM
It is amazing that people don't care. But I guess that is why we have so many crooks holding political office.
That's probably why people don't care. Politicians are all crooks. It's about choosing the crook that you hate the least.
Howey
03-18-2015, 06:54 PM
No, but I think in the long run, it's unlikely to affect her chances in an election. The only people who would really care are mostly those who wouldn't vote for her anyway. Most people are becoming fairly inured to these tempests in a teapot.
That was an easy one.
Mr. Right
03-18-2015, 07:06 PM
This whole Hillary thing has been a sham from the get-go. She and Bill move to the softest part of the U.S. for her entry into the U.S. Senate after she's "forgiven" Bill for the rapes and affairs. As reported, Bill never breaks stride and continues putting his willie where he wants. Jeffrey Epstein... Prince Andrew... etc. Not one of us studly or former studly husbands would still be married after this. It's just not normal that Hillary and Bill still are "partners." My wife would have waited until I was asleep, then given me the "Lorena" treatment, or she'd sell my arsenal and spend it on aftermarket anatomical "accessories" and kicked me to the curb. Hillary hasn't just looked the other way, she's been an accessory to rape more than once. If I were Hillary, St. Peter @ the pearly gates is the last entity I'd want to face. Lye soap won't clean her.
PolWatch
03-18-2015, 07:08 PM
I have always suspected their marriage was more of a political alliance than a love match.
Mr. Right
03-18-2015, 07:33 PM
I have always suspected their marriage was more of a political alliance than a love match.
Yes, a corrupt alliance. It's rumored Bill isn't even Chelsea's pop.
PolWatch
03-18-2015, 07:36 PM
There's rumors about everyone in the public eye...some people like to spread mud
That's probably why people don't care. Politicians are all crooks. It's about choosing the crook that you hate the least.
I won't step in to defend 60 percent of the politicians, but it is my humble view based on my past experience, 40 percent of them are great representatives of the public.
Take Dr. Price for instance. Really cares.
Take Reid, does not care.
Take Representative Chris Van Hollen Does not care at all.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=chris%20van%20hollen
Dr. Who
03-18-2015, 08:07 PM
I won't step in to defend 60 percent of the politicians, but it is my humble view based on my past experience, 40 percent of them are great representatives of the public.
Take Dr. Price for instance. Really cares.
Take Reid, does not care.
Take Representative Chris Van Hollen Does not care at all.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=chris van hollen
The problem also is that often the politicians that seem to care the most, have skeletons in their closets that come out at inopportune times, probably because the media targets any politician that seems to be a "goody two shoes" and starts digging for dirt.
Redrose
03-18-2015, 08:15 PM
Remember how the left crucified Nixon for the missing 18 minutes of tape? They were relentless, and forced a sitting president to resign.
I wish they would hold their own dishonest politicians feet to the fire like they did to Nixon. Times have changed. The bar has been lowered to look the other way when some politicians dip into the well of dishonesty.
Mr. Right
03-18-2015, 08:15 PM
The problem also is that often the politicians that seem to care the most, have skeletons in their closets that come out at inopportune times, probably because the media targets any politician that seems to be a "goody two shoes" and starts digging for dirt.
With a turbo-charged excavator.
The problem also is that often the politicians that seem to care the most, have skeletons in their closets that come out at inopportune times, probably because the media targets any politician that seems to be a "goody two shoes" and starts digging for dirt.
Wow, that seems to be a very seldom problem.
It is next to impossible to tell who is the 60 percent vs who the 40 percent are.
Voters won't take the time to really learn all that much about candidates. We will presume we know candidates but in the real world we really don't know them.
Say I am for mass transit. I will (not true of course) vote for a person promising mass transit. He may support Israel where I won't, thus I am on the fence. Then he says he supports abortion and say I am all gung ho for that. That turns me to him again.
The dude might be, probably is just a liar. Has done research to find out hot buttons to push. And counts up those with enough hot buttons to elect him or her. Wins people with promises. Turns out to not care at all.
Some favor following their past votes. That is one reason I like to evaluate governors. They show what they are all about by previous votes in congress plus how they run the state. It is not foolproof but better than going by words alone.
Remember how the left crucified Nixon for the missing 18 minutes of tape? They were relentless, and forced a sitting president to resign.
I wish they would hold their own dishonest politicians feet to the fire like they did to Nixon. Times have changed. The bar has been lowered to look the other way when some politicians dip into the well of dishonesty.
Republicans went after Nixon. Democrats never will go after Democrats. The higher up Democrats are, no matter what they do, Democrats dig in and pretend they are awesome people.
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