View Full Version : The stock market is rigged, creating a false sense of economic security
Peter1469
03-27-2015, 09:48 PM
The stock market is rigged, creating a false sense of economic security (http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/us-stock-market-is-just-way-too-riggin-easy/)
The stock market has risen a lot since its last major fall, but the returns have been uneven. Worse, it masks structural flaws that will create a bigger crash while the common man thinks the economy is improving.
Read the link to find out an opinion on that.
The stock market is rigged.
When I started making that claim years ago — and provided solid evidence — people scoffed. Some called it a conspiracy theory, tinfoil hats and that sort of stuff. Most people just ignored me.
But that’s not happening anymore. The dirty secret is out.
With stock prices rushing far ahead of economic reality over the last six or so years, more experts in the financial markets are coming to the same conclusion — even if they don’t fully understand how it’s being rigged or the consequences.
Ed Yardeni, a longtime Wall Street guru who isn’t one of the clowns of the bunch, said flat out last week that the market was being propped up. “These markets are all rigged, and I don’t say that critically. I just say that factually,” he asserted on CNBC.
Crepitus
03-27-2015, 09:58 PM
IMHO the stock market isn't all that representative of the economy. I think its biggest effect is perception.
donttread
03-28-2015, 07:46 AM
IMHO the stock market isn't all that representative of the economy. I think its biggest effect is perception.
Exactly. Huge companies don't have their assests and goodwill, and sales projections go up and down 5% in a week. It's a sham , and since every man has been practically forced into the market for retirement it has been an upward conduit for wealth to the 1%
exotix
03-28-2015, 07:52 AM
We need to get it back to when Bush left office.
Peter1469
03-28-2015, 07:53 AM
We need to get it back to when Bush left office.
Thanks for the valuable contribution Exo.
Crepitus
03-28-2015, 07:54 AM
You know we're gonna have a "correction" soon, where the wealthy people with high paid brokers and inside info will pull out all the money and the regular guy will get screwed,. Again.
exotix
03-28-2015, 07:58 AM
Thanks for the valuable contribution Exo.
Ah aimz 'ta pleeeze .... but seriously, even @AmazonTania (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=852) will tell you that as markt(share) increases as various influence participate (liquidity of markets) thus expanding the markets (not to metion confidence hosted by various influences) ... thus is your *hyper-markets* (simply look at it as expanding a business)
It's the (GOP) deregulation(s) (that allows for criminality) that causes bubble-bursts and crashes. (outside of normal fluctuating business cycles)
Reason10
03-28-2015, 08:20 AM
The stock market is rigged, creating a false sense of economic security (http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/us-stock-market-is-just-way-too-riggin-easy/)
The stock market has risen a lot since its last major fall, but the returns have been uneven. Worse, it masks structural flaws that will create a bigger crash while the common man thinks the economy is improving.
Read the link to find out an opinion on that.
You're just figuring that out?
The Fed has been buying stock ever since Obama's disastrous policies have TANKED the economy 6 years ago. It was in all the papers.
Reason10
03-28-2015, 08:21 AM
IMHO the stock market isn't all that representative of the economy. I think its biggest effect is perception.
Very true. The NINETY THREE MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF WORK is a much more accurate representation of what's really happening.
Peter1469
03-28-2015, 08:55 AM
Ah aimz 'ta pleeeze .... but seriously, even @AmazonTania (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=852) will tell you that as markt(share) increases as various influence participate (liquidity of markets) thus expanding the markets (not to metion confidence hosted by various influences) ... thus is your *hyper-markets* (simply look at it as expanding a business)
It's the (GOP) deregulation(s) (that allows for criminality) that causes bubble-bursts and crashes. (outside of normal fluctuating business cycles)
I doubt that she would say that, although I won't put words into her mouth.
The problem is the growth in many companies on the stock exchanges are not linked to actual growth or strength. Sort of the point of the OP.
And no the boom-bust cycle is caused by government interference in the markets. You got it backwards.
Peter1469
03-28-2015, 08:56 AM
You're just figuring that out?
The Fed has been buying stock ever since Obama's disastrous policies have TANKED the economy 6 years ago. It was in all the papers.
First, I just posted an article that came out recently. It has nothing to do with me figuring anything out.
Second, the economy tanked while Obama was running for President, not after he was in office.
exotix
03-28-2015, 08:57 AM
I doubt that she would say that, although I won't put words into her mouth.
The problem is the growth in many companies on the stock exchanges are not linked to actual growth or strength. Sort of the point of the OP.
And no the boom-bust cycle is caused by government interference in the markets. You got it backwards.Enron knows all about that.
Reason10
03-28-2015, 08:58 AM
First, I just posted an article that came out recently. It has nothing to do with me figuring anything out.
Second, the economy tanked while Obama was running for President, not after he was in office.
Nope. It tanked AFTER his policies were put in place.
Howey
03-28-2015, 09:02 AM
The stock market is rigged, creating a false sense of economic security (http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/us-stock-market-is-just-way-too-riggin-easy/)
The stock market has risen a lot since its last major fall, but the returns have been uneven. Worse, it masks structural flaws that will create a bigger crash while the common man thinks the economy is improving.
Read the link to find out an opinion on that.
Ohh... Peter1469. Is there anything out there that you don't think is a conspiracy?
IMHO the stock market isn't all that representative of the economy. I think its biggest effect is perception.
Agreed.
Howey
03-28-2015, 09:04 AM
The stock market is rigged, creating a false sense of economic security (http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/us-stock-market-is-just-way-too-riggin-easy/)
The stock market has risen a lot since its last major fall, but the returns have been uneven. Worse, it masks structural flaws that will create a bigger crash while the common man thinks the economy is improving.
Read the link to find out an opinion on that.
First, I just posted an article that came out recently. It has nothing to do with me figuring anything out.
Second, the economy tanked while Obama was running for President, not after he was in office.
But I am glad to see someone finally admitting that.
Peter1469
03-28-2015, 09:06 AM
Ohh... @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10). Is there anything out there that you don't think is a conspiracy?
Agreed.
Of course not!
PolWatch
03-28-2015, 09:06 AM
But I am glad to see someone finally admitting that.
Only blind partisans deny reality. Once they start spouting nonsense intelligent people go elsewhere for discussion. :wink:
Mini Me
03-28-2015, 05:09 PM
First, I just posted an article that came out recently. It has nothing to do with me figuring anything out.
Second, the economy tanked while Obama was running for President, not after he was in office.
Er, ahem! You mean while Bush was in office!
As deregulation schemes had gone down, and Bush's regulators were asleep at the wheel, and Greenspan's Fed threw gas on the fire, and ignored all the danger signs.
Peter1469
03-28-2015, 05:29 PM
Er, ahem! You mean while Bush was in office!
As deregulation schemes had gone down, and Bush's regulators were asleep at the wheel, and Greenspan's Fed threw gas on the fire, and ignored all the danger signs.
Bush's regulators tried to stop the housing market crash but Congress told them to STFU and stop being racist. The fiscal crash was decades in the making.
donttread
03-29-2015, 07:07 AM
First, I just posted an article that came out recently. It has nothing to do with me figuring anything out.
Second, the economy tanked while Obama was running for President, not after he was in office.
How can you not see that Bushbama is the same
Reason10
03-29-2015, 07:55 AM
How can you not see that Bushbama is the same
Had Obama done NOTHING in his first six months, the recession would have worked itself out. EVERY economy has a recession. The Pelosi/Reid recession was one of the worst.
Obama's policies created the WORST ECONOMY IN HISTORY. Bush had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
donttread
03-29-2015, 08:49 AM
Had Obama done NOTHING in his first six months, the recession would have worked itself out. EVERY economy has a recession. The Pelosi/Reid recession was one of the worst.
Obama's policies created the WORST ECONOMY IN HISTORY. Bush had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
You are lost, your brain washing is too strong. I feel badly for you
Howey
03-29-2015, 08:53 AM
Had Obama done NOTHING in his first six months, the recession would have worked itself out. EVERY economy has a recession. The Pelosi/Reid recession was one of the worst.
Obama's policies created the WORST ECONOMY IN HISTORY. Bush had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
You couldn't be more wrong Reason10. If, if fact, the republicans had allowed more stimulus funds and necessary infrastructure improvements the recovery would have been stronger.
Just look at parts of Europe. Those nations that embraced austerity are still struggling.
Peter1469
03-29-2015, 10:39 AM
How can you not see that Bushbama is the same
I never said that they were not.
I guess when you get attacked by all sides you are saying something right.
:smiley:
Peter1469
03-29-2015, 10:42 AM
You couldn't be more wrong @Reason10 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1397). If, if fact, the republicans had allowed more stimulus funds and necessary infrastructure improvements the recovery would have been stronger.
Just look at parts of Europe. Those nations that embraced austerity are still struggling.
Wrong. The nation that collapsed and recovered in record time was Iceland. They let failed banks fail. They jailed corrupt bankers and politicians and their economy crashed big time. It recovered fast because they let failed institutions die off.
The stimulus and bailouts only allowed failed institutions to stay alive. The structural flaws have not been fixed and have in fact gotten worse. The next crash is coming and it will be a lot harder.
Reason10
03-29-2015, 10:56 AM
You are lost, your brain washing is too strong. I feel badly for you
I'm just right and you're wrong. And you're REALLY whiny when you lose an argument.
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