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Bo-4
04-04-2015, 11:34 AM
What does the State of Alabama owe a black man who was framed at age 18 and locked up during his most productive years?

A few million at minimum, but he'll likely get nothing more than a few hundred bucks and clothes that no longer fit.

A new trial was ordered in 2014 after firearms experts testified 12 years earlier that the revolver Hinton was said to have used in the crimes could not be matched to evidence in either case, and the two killings couldn't be linked to each other.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/alabama-death-row-inmate/

Mister D
04-04-2015, 11:36 AM
Whatever they would owe a white man "framed at the age of 18 and locked up during his most productive years". Does that help?

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 11:40 AM
A few million?

Probably a quarter million tops.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 11:44 AM
Whatever they would owe a white man "framed at the age of 18 and locked up during his most productive years". Does that help?

Agreed, only it's highly doubtful that the white guy would have been framed.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 11:49 AM
A few million?

Probably a quarter million tops.

That's 8 grand a year or 91 cents an hour Peter .. not hardly.

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 11:54 AM
That's 8 grand a year or 91 cents an hour Peter .. not hardly.

Time will tell.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 12:14 PM
Time will tell.

You stay on death row for 91 cents an hour. I'll do it for 3 months at $1000 an hour. That'll give me 4 million extra for retirement.

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 12:26 PM
You stay on death row for 91 cents an hour. I'll do it for 3 months at $1000 an hour. That'll give me 4 million extra for retirement.

The question will be what his earning potential was outside jail- based on his experience, education, locality, etc. If he was going to be a brain surgeon than he will get $20M +.

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 12:27 PM
You stay on death row for 91 cents an hour. I'll do it for 3 months at $1000 an hour. That'll give me 4 million extra for retirement.

I am worth a lot more than 91 cents an hour. Wrongful imprisonment of me will cost the tax payer a bundle.

Mister D
04-04-2015, 12:31 PM
Agreed, only it's highly doubtful that the white guy would have been framed.

You're just making this up as you go along. lol

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 12:33 PM
The question will be what his earning potential was outside jail- based on his experience, education, locality, etc. If he was going to be a brain surgeon than he will get $20M +.

How would it be possible to know what an 18 year old is ultimately capable of becoming and making per hour? It's not.

Additionally, he didn't spend 8 hours a day in there.. he spent 24. So conservatively - assuming he would have ultimately been worth and average of $12 an hour, that's over 3 million bucks in 30 years.

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 01:15 PM
How would it be possible to know what an 18 year old is ultimately capable of becoming and making per hour? It's not.

Additionally, he didn't spend 8 hours a day in there.. he spent 24. So conservatively - assuming he would have ultimately been worth and average of $12 an hour, that's over 3 million bucks in 30 years.
It is done every day in court.

What level of education did he have?

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 01:21 PM
It is done every day in court.

What level of education did he have?

I wasn't aware you could attend colleges and universities in prison.

gamewell45
04-04-2015, 01:27 PM
What does the State of Alabama owe a black man who was framed at age 18 and locked up during his most productive years?

A few million at minimum, but he'll likely get nothing more than a few hundred bucks and clothes that no longer fit.

A new trial was ordered in 2014 after firearms experts testified 12 years earlier that the revolver Hinton was said to have used in the crimes could not be matched to evidence in either case, and the two killings couldn't be linked to each other.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/alabama-death-row-inmate/

I'm not sure, but there might be some sort of formula in place that would have determined possible wages lost working (remembering that Alabama is a right-to-work or right-to-work for less state) and possible benefits lost as well.

Obviously the courts will have to determine what he might be entitled to; certainly enough to allow him to live a comfortable retirement since he never had the opportunity to earn a living and save for his later years.

Polecat
04-04-2015, 01:37 PM
If I was king he would be immediately granted all current assets of the people that worked so hard to get him locked up.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 01:38 PM
I'm not sure, but there might be some sort of formula in place that would have determined possible wages lost working (remembering that Alabama is a right-to-work or right-to-work for less state) and possible benefits lost as well.

Obviously the courts will have to determine what he might be entitled to; certainly enough to allow him to live a comfortable retirement since he never had the opportunity to earn a living and save for his later years.

Agreed, but lost wages is only one aspect. He didn't spend 8 hours a day in prison, it was 24/7 for 30 years.

So the formula should involve more than lost wages and include intangibles.. like denial of a normal life and wrongful imprisonment.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 01:47 PM
If I was king he would be immediately granted all current assets of the people that worked so hard to get him locked up.

All Hail King Polecat! :cool:

gamewell45
04-04-2015, 01:51 PM
Agreed, but lost wages is only one aspect. He didn't spend 8 hours a day in prison, it was 24/7 for 30 years.

So the formula should involve more than lost wages and include intangibles.. like denial of a normal life and wrongful imprisonment.

You are correct and that is a very good point.

PolWatch
04-04-2015, 03:27 PM
In Alabama? He will be probably offered less than a million and be glad to get that. His attorney will probably end up with more than he does.

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 04:55 PM
I wasn't aware you could attend colleges and universities in prison.

If he was a high school drop out college wasn't in his future anyway. 91 cents is looking more reasonable.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 05:39 PM
If he was a high school drop out college wasn't in his future anyway. 91 cents is looking more reasonable.

Sorry Peter.. yet another fail. He had ZERO criminal background.

And this one stunk to high heaven. As a law and order guy you seriously should have admitted it by now.

Anthony Hinton, 29 years old with no history of violent crime, steadfastly maintained his innocence. A polygraph test given by police exonerated him, but the judge (now-retired Circuit Judge James Garrett) refused to admit it at trial. Mr. Hinton was appointed a lawyer who mistakenly thought he could not get enough money to hire a qualified firearms examiner. Instead, he retained a visually-impaired civil engineer with no expertise in firearms identification who admitted he could not operate the machinery necessary to examine the evidence. With no credible expert to challenge the State’s assertion of a match, Mr. Hinton was convicted and sentenced to death. Last year, the United States Supreme Court unanimously overturned his conviction based on his attorney’s deficient representation, and Judge Petro ordered a new trial.

http://www.eji.org/deathpenalty/innocence/hinton

Mister D
04-04-2015, 05:41 PM
Zero criminal background? Are you sure he's black?

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 05:44 PM
In Alabama? He will be probably offered less than a million and be glad to get that. His attorney will probably end up with more than he does.

Sadly :( you're most likely correct.

But Alabama needs to pay the fuck up.. PRONTO.


Over 28 years, the outside world changed while Hinton spent his days largely in a 5ft by 8ft prison cell. Children grew up. His mother died. His hair turned gray. Inmates he knew were escorted off to the electric chair or the lethal-injection gurney.


http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/4/4/1428149822669/d3ae880d-c265-46b5-919c-d863c72bf37c-620x372.jpeg

The Xl
04-04-2015, 05:52 PM
If he was a high school drop out college wasn't in his future anyway. 91 cents is looking more reasonable.

That's complete conjuncture.

More importantly, he should be also compensated, and handsomely, for his loss of freedom during the prime of his life, not just conjectural assumptions based on what his capacity could have been.

The Xl
04-04-2015, 05:52 PM
If I was king he would be immediately granted all current assets of the people that worked so hard to get him locked up.

I like this idea.

Polecat for King.

Bo-4
04-04-2015, 06:01 PM
Zero criminal background? Are you sure he's black?

That'll do it, tired of racists. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

http://www.animateit.net/data/media/feb2013/spin.gif

Mister D
04-04-2015, 06:06 PM
That'll do it, tired of racists. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

http://www.animateit.net/data/media/feb2013/spin.gif

Your sense of humor seems to be in short supply this evening.

gamewell45
04-04-2015, 06:41 PM
That's complete conjuncture.

More importantly, he should be also compensated, and handsomely, for his loss of freedom during the prime of his life, not just conjectural assumptions based on what his capacity could have been.

I think we should put ourselves in his position; suppose that one of us who was wrongly incarcerated for all those years ended up watching our lives pass by for something we didn't do? I'd want more then a million bucks I can tell you that much.

PolWatch
04-04-2015, 07:07 PM
Its a shame that those who imprisoned him unfairly don't have to pay any sort of price. They walk away free.

Peter1469
04-04-2015, 08:35 PM
Its a shame that those who imprisoned him unfairly don't have to pay any sort of price. They walk away free.

If there is misconduct the lawyers will get it trouble. It is common.

del
04-04-2015, 08:58 PM
Your sense of humor seems to be in short supply this evening.

your material kinda sucks

Mister D
04-04-2015, 10:36 PM
your material kinda sucks

I'm sorry you didn't find it humorous but that doesn't change anything. Then again, your routine is to throw spitballs from the cheap seats so whatever...lol

Cigar
04-06-2015, 07:24 AM
I purposely waited to comment on to see what the usual experts would have to say and see if Bill O'Reily would give one if has patented rants on Black Expertise ... naturally I wasn't disappointed at either.

I saw a follow up story about this this weekend and I was not surprised that the State of Alabama didn't even bother to acknowledge the wrong doing they committed or as much as a simple apology for not conducting a basic and routine Ballistics check between the Gun and the Bullets ... yes that's right, a basic garden, old fashioned Ballistics Check would have first proved he didn't do the crime, but anytime during the 30 years they were asking the State to do the check.

This Lawyer has been going around freeing may Men who have been wrongfully in jail and on death row. He said 2 out of every 10 Men on death row are possibly innocent.