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Chris
07-05-2012, 06:22 PM
The angry Americans (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-zingales-ows-tea-party-attitude-20120705,0,2538429.story)
...The tea party and the Occupy movement both arose in response to pervasive frustration. As we've grown accustomed to hearing in recent years, Americans are angry. They're angry at bankers, who helped cause the financial crisis but paid no price for it. They're angry at Washington, which blamed the bankers but deserved as much blame, if not more, for failing to rein them in. And they're angry at an economy that seems to enrich the wealthy while leaving most everyone else standing still or falling behind.

This anger manifests itself in a strong anti-elite bias and a determination to resist an oppressive leviathan — though the monster takes different forms in the two movements. For the tea party, it's the federal government in Washington; for Occupy, it's bailout-addicted big business.

The difference is more apparent than real. The problem is not big business per se but monopolistic and politically powerful business. It is not government per se but intrusive and corrupt government. ...
It is both, and it's called crony capitalism. But here's the thing. While it's both, business is a necessary cause, government a sufficient one. And what is business doing but what anyone would do, taking the easier route, the political means over the economic, to greater wealth. Who provides the political means, government, which trades special interests favors for ever more power. Power corrupts.

Peter1469
07-05-2012, 07:35 PM
And yet both government and corporate leadership are us.

Citizens.

Chris
07-05-2012, 08:33 PM
No, I think government has become detached from the people, out of touch. It's become a ruling class over the country class.

Trinnity
07-05-2012, 08:42 PM
I know in my gut that govt doesn't care about us. They just want to be in charge and get rich doing it. WE have to be more educated and fight back for accountability. Obamacare is a good example. WE should have made ten times the outcry. Very few should have been for it. Many were because they didn't know the Faustian deal it really was/is.

If we don't get it repealed, we'll all be paying with our lives as well as our money. When we got old, govt will refuse to pay for what we need because "we're not worth it". Just wait and see.

Peter1469
07-05-2012, 08:47 PM
I know in my gut that govt doesn't care about us. They just want to be in charge and get rich doing it. WE have to be more educated and fight back for accountability. Obamacare is a good example. WE should have made ten times the outcry. Very few should have been for it. Many were because they didn't know the Faustian deal it really was/is.

If we don't get it repealed, we'll all be paying with our lives as well as our money. When we got old, govt will refuse to pay for what we need because "we're not worth it". Just wait and see.

The Government is us- or at least should be. Stop voting for the entrenched parties; demand that citizens run unaffiliated with the corrupt Dems and GOP.

roadmaster
07-05-2012, 09:13 PM
Americans have a right to be angry. We are taxed to death. Here in NC, we pay state taxes, county taxes or city, and taxes every-time we buy anything. Not even talking about Fed taxes.

Trinnity
07-05-2012, 09:19 PM
Yep. And still that pig, Bev Purdue wants more. We're getting rid of her. We're getting a Republican governor this fall.

roadmaster
07-05-2012, 09:20 PM
When we got old, govt will refuse to pay for what we need because "we're not worth it". Just wait and see.

Ah now there is the key to open the door.

roadmaster
07-05-2012, 10:04 PM
Yep. And still that pig, Bev Purdue wants more. We're getting rid of her. We're getting a Republican governor this fall.


When our taxes Gas stations are in the process of adding almost four cents in taxes to each gallon, that means the tax is now at 38.9 cents. We have the sixth highest state gas tax in the country.

Goldie Locks
07-05-2012, 10:15 PM
If you count all the taxes that us subjects pay ...cough...it has got to be about 50% of all our earnings.

roadmaster
07-05-2012, 10:26 PM
If you count all the taxes that us subjects pay ...cough...it has got to be about 50% of all our earnings.

Yes and if we resale a used item they want taxes on that.