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Howey
04-12-2015, 04:19 PM
Is he a Libertarian or not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXtiDVYvVK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNTfuDkFTXo

Next question. How does he reconcile her abject atheism?

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ayn-rand-joins-the-ticket


Two years later, in 2005, Ryan paid fealty to Rand in a speech he gave to the Atlas Society, the Washington-based think tank devoted to keeping Rand’s “objectivist” philosophy alive. He credited her with inspiring his interest in public service, saying, “[T]he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.” (One of the trustees of the Atlas Society, Clifford Asness, the co-founder of AQR Capital Management, a twenty-billion-dollar hedge fund, is one of the many outspoken Wall Street financiers who has shifted political sides, denouncing Obama, whom he supported in 2008, for interfering with capitalism by bailing out Chrysler, and by imposing tighter financial regulations after the 2008 economic collapse).

Three years ago, as Tim Mak reports today at Politico, Ryan described America’s political challenge as coming straight out of Rand’s work—saying, “what’s unique about what’s happening today in government, in the world, in America, is that it’s as if we’re living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault.”

More recently, however, Ryan distanced himself from Rand, whose atheism is something of a philosophical wedge issue on the right, dividing religious conservatives from free-market libertarians. This year, with his political profile rising, Ryan stressed not only that he had differences with Rand’s atheism—a point he had made as far back as 2003—but went so far as to denounce her whole system of beliefs, describing his early attraction to her writing as little more than a youthful dalliance. He admitted that he had “enjoyed her novels,” but, as Mak notes, he stressed that, “I reject her philosophy. It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas.”

Peter1469
04-12-2015, 04:23 PM
Rand will make a good president. I gave money to his campaign yesterday.

Chris
04-12-2015, 04:25 PM
Ayn Rand was not libertarian or Libertarian. She didn't like libertarians. See http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/libertarians.html.

Rand Paul was not named after her.

Also Ryan is not Rand.

Ethereal
04-12-2015, 04:27 PM
Ayn Rand Was NOT a Libertarian (http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-29/ayn-rand-was-not-libertarian)

PolWatch
04-12-2015, 04:31 PM
I think Ayn Rand is a type of political adolescence. I can remember reading her in my teens. I outgrew that.

Chris
04-12-2015, 04:37 PM
Rand and Rothbard would probably turn over in their graves at J Michael Oliver's linking Objectivism and Anarcho-capitalism in [i]The New Libertarianism: Anarcho-Capitalism, written back in 1972 but only recently published.

Chris
04-12-2015, 04:41 PM
Now Johnny Carson, there's a libertarian! :D


http://i.snag.gy/EUhSb.jpg

PolWatch
04-12-2015, 04:45 PM
I don't think that people who can afford to buy their own state count as libertarians. :grin:

Green Arrow
04-12-2015, 04:59 PM
Rand Paul is not an Ayn Rand disciple.

Chris
04-12-2015, 05:03 PM
Rand Paul Was Named After Ayn Rand (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/10/1320441/-Rand-Paul-Was-Named-After-Ayn-Rand#) is typical of the liberal media.

But...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-R_OeP6tU

Howey
04-12-2015, 05:06 PM
Ayn Rand was not libertarian or Libertarian. She didn't like libertarians. See http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/libertarians.html.

Rand Paul was not named after her.

Also Ryan is not Rand.

No. He just changed his name in honor of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oD-R_OeP6tU

Chris
04-12-2015, 05:47 PM
No. He just changed his name in honor of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oD-R_OeP6tU

Already posted. That's what he laughed at.

I can see this thread is going to go the same was as the Nancy Reagan thread. Debunked, it'll live on and on and on.

Hal Jordan
04-12-2015, 06:09 PM
No. He just changed his name in honor of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oD-R_OeP6tU

The video you posted said the opposite.

Peter1469
04-12-2015, 07:50 PM
The hard left is uneducated enough (public school) to make stupid claims and not realize it. This is going to be an exciting election cycle. :smiley:

Green Arrow
04-12-2015, 07:52 PM
No. He just changed his name in honor of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oD-R_OeP6tU

"He changed his name in honor of Ayn Rand. The proof is in this video!"

*plays video*

"My wife shortened my name from Randy to Rand."

So basically...no, he didn't change his name to honor Ayn Rand.

del
04-12-2015, 07:59 PM
Rand will make a good president. I gave money to his campaign yesterday.

i gave money to a homeless guy today

his chances are about the same as rand's

Chris
04-12-2015, 08:01 PM
i gave mney to a homeless guy today

his chances are about the same as rand's


Romney?

Green Arrow
04-12-2015, 08:13 PM
del every time a Rand Paul thread comes up...

http://gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Animals/Bird%20Shit%20On%20Cat.gif

Or a gif of a broken record, either apply in this circumstance.

Peter1469
04-12-2015, 08:33 PM
i gave money to a homeless guy today

his chances are about the same as rand's

True. The sheep will vote Statist.

del
04-12-2015, 08:36 PM
True. The sheep will vote Statist.

that's nice

Peter1469
04-12-2015, 08:47 PM
that's nice

Only if you want an economic collapse.

del
04-12-2015, 08:48 PM
Only if you want an economic collapse.

sure