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donttread
04-12-2015, 06:28 PM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bullshit

Captain Obvious
04-12-2015, 06:30 PM
DUI is another one, but it's a big revenue generator and a socially supported concept.

Freedom no longer frees you.

Common
04-12-2015, 06:39 PM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bullshit

Prohibition of what ? all drugs
Consensual people isnt consensual adults. Which do you mean.
Sex with drunk people ? wtf does that mean, a sober guy having sex with a drunken passed out woman ? thats rape btw.
Seat Belt laws were written because of Insurance Companies insisting on it. If you didnt have seat belts everyones auto insurance would rise considerably. Someone has to pay for those medical bills and lawsuits for death
Prostitution, there are so many issues and crimes with prostitution to legalize it the way it is. You would have to change the entire concept and laws governing it and have monthly medical testing of prostitutes like other countries than keep databases like a sex offender lists for those that have contracted disease and can pass them on.

Captain Obvious
04-12-2015, 06:42 PM
Prohibition of what ? all drugs
Consensual people isnt consensual adults. Which do you mean.
Sex with drunk people ? wtf does that mean, a sober guy having sex with a drunken passed out woman ? thats rape btw.
Seat Belt laws were written because of Insurance Companies insisting on it. If you didnt have seat belts everyones auto insurance would rise considerably. Someone has to pay for those medical bills and lawsuits for death
Prostitution, there are so many issues and crimes with prostitution to legalize it the way it is. You would have to change the entire concept and laws governing it and have monthly medical testing of prostitutes like other countries than keep databases like a sex offender lists for those that have contracted disease and can pass them on.

Yeah, I agree - #2 and #3 are dicey.

donttread
04-12-2015, 06:56 PM
Prohibition of what ? all drugs
Consensual people isnt consensual adults. Which do you mean.
Sex with drunk people ? wtf does that mean, a sober guy having sex with a drunken passed out woman ? thats rape btw.
Seat Belt laws were written because of Insurance Companies insisting on it. If you didnt have seat belts everyones auto insurance would rise considerably. Someone has to pay for those medical bills and lawsuits for death
Prostitution, there are so many issues and crimes with prostitution to legalize it the way it is. You would have to change the entire concept and laws governing it and have monthly medical testing of prostitutes like other countries than keep databases like a sex offender lists for those that have contracted disease and can pass them on.

donttread
04-12-2015, 07:08 PM
Yes prohibition of all drugs, in case you hadn't noticed prohibition kills.
I mean not jailing an labeling as a "sex offender" an 18 year old who has sex with his willing 16 year old GF
I agree with you that sex with a passed out person is rape, not to mention not much better than jerking off. But some states like NY have a poorly defined law where a drunk person is not able to give consent even if they actively participate. As well as ridiculous law this also constitutes enabling
No lawsuits. You don't buckle up you take responsibility for not doing so. Besides think of all those life long disabled people the insurance company has to pay for who would be dead without a seat belt.
Again if you have unprotected sex with a prostitute you take responsibilty for what you get. A buddy of mine was in the Navy overseas and once went back to his hooker and said "You gave me the clap" to which she replied without skipping a beat " I gave you nothing , you paid for it"

Just curious but what does it mean to be an adult to you nanny states lovers? It seems to be you simply want to replace your parents with a nanny state. I mean what do you have against personal responsibility?

donttread
04-12-2015, 07:11 PM
DUI is another one, but it's a big revenue generator and a socially supported concept.

Freedom no longer frees you.

I don't consider DUI victimless

Captain Obvious
04-12-2015, 07:15 PM
I don't consider DUI victimless

Or date rape.

Peter1469
04-12-2015, 07:21 PM
great idea!

Hal Jordan
04-12-2015, 07:25 PM
In my day, if I got drunk and had sex with a random girl, I was the asshole...

Common
04-12-2015, 07:30 PM
Yes prohibition of all drugs, in case you hadn't noticed prohibition kills.
I mean not jailing an labeling as a "sex offender" an 18 year old who has sex with his willing 16 year old GF
I agree with you that sex with a passed out person is rape, not to mention not much better than jerking off. But some states like NY have a poorly defined law where a drunk person is not able to give consent even if they actively participate. As well as ridiculous law this also constitutes enabling
No lawsuits. You don't buckle up you take responsibility for not doing so. Besides think of all those life long disabled people the insurance company has to pay for who would be dead without a seat belt.
Again if you have unprotected sex with a prostitute you take responsibilty for what you get. A buddy of mine was in the Navy overseas and once went back to his hooker and said "You gave me the clap" to which she replied without skipping a beat " I gave you nothing , you paid for it"

Just curious but what does it mean to be an adult to you nanny states lovers? It seems to be you simply want to replace your parents with a nanny state. I mean what do you have against personal responsibility?

Yeah right legalize all drugs great idea, this way we can have meth labs everywhere because theyre legal and bath salt labs and flakka labs.

A 19 yr old and 16 yr old right now isnt illegal most states have 14-16 emancipation laws.

Legalizing prostitution doesnt fix the problems with our prostitution, it just creates alot more of it by it being ignored. It wont stop the pimps an the forcing of underage prostitution and everything else.

Im not against it but you just cant say OK its legal have at it.

Instead of your attempt to insult me with your nannystate lover comment how about I insult you and and ask what do you I dont wanna not have to do what ever i wanna do Wahhhhh I dont want no damn rules waaah crowd think it is to be an adult. The laws are clear as to what is considered an adult or not.

Matty
04-12-2015, 07:30 PM
In my day men who got drunk were lousy lovers!

Common
04-12-2015, 07:30 PM
I don't consider DUI victimless

neither is drugs and prostitution

Captain Obvious
04-12-2015, 07:32 PM
neither is drugs and prostitution

Yeah, lol - that's what I was wondering.

I guess it's whatever he's into is what drive his values.

donttread
04-12-2015, 07:32 PM
Or date rape.

So you're just being a smart ass? You must like the fact that the "Land of the Free" tittle has become a joke since we are actually the "land of the least free" . The most incarcerated society on earth!

Captain Obvious
04-12-2015, 07:33 PM
So you're just being a smart ass? You must like the fact that the "Land of the Free" tittle has become a joke since we are actually the "land of the least free" . The most incarcerated society on earth!

Tittle? Freudian slip?

I guess I don't get your logic other than you're a drug user and not a drinker.

donttread
04-12-2015, 08:27 PM
Yeah right legalize all drugs great idea, this way we can have meth labs everywhere because theyre legal and bath salt labs and flakka labs.

A 19 yr old and 16 yr old right now isnt illegal most states have 14-16 emancipation laws.

Legalizing prostitution doesnt fix the problems with our prostitution, it just creates alot more of it by it being ignored. It wont stop the pimps an the forcing of underage prostitution and everything else.

Im not against it but you just cant say OK its legal have at it.

Instead of your attempt to insult me with your nannystate lover comment how about I insult you and and ask what do you I dont wanna not have to do what ever i wanna do Wahhhhh I dont want no damn rules waaah crowd think it is to be an adult. The laws are clear as to what is considered an adult or not.

Actually despite all you've been told there is absolutely no real world evidence that prohibition has ever worked. None. there is however, plenty of evidence that countries ( like Portugal) who decrimilize then treat addiction as a disease decrease cost and deaths without increased use. Your bath salts example shows how limited your information on this subject really is. "Bath salts were created in an attempt to bypass NJ prohibition but turned out to be much worse than MJ
Not all states have "Romeo and Juliet laws" check it out .
Actually, again I'd advise you to look at the real world of drug use in America, most prostitution is caused by the high price of illegal drugs for addicts.

As for your last statement . The laws are anything but clear about adult hood. A 14 year old can be charged as an adult and a 17 year old can't consent to sex in some states, an 18 year old can choose to put his or her life on the line but you have to be 21 to drink. Again these are vicitimless crimes that do nothing put feed the prison industrial complex and make people unemployable. In fact the only thing you are right about is that I should not have insulted you as part of my reply.
I defy you to find ANY real world evidence that modern prohibition works anywhere.

The Xl
04-12-2015, 10:12 PM
Yeah, lol - that's what I was wondering.

I guess it's whatever he's into is what drive his values.

There is no direct inherent victim in either of those.

Hal Jordan
04-12-2015, 10:38 PM
In my day men who got drunk were lousy lovers!

Not all of us... :wink:

Blackrook
04-14-2015, 08:52 PM
Prostitution is not a victimless crime. The victim is the prostitute. In almost all cases, a prostitute is the victim of sexual molestation as a child, and is no more than a slave to her pimp.

Dr. Who
04-14-2015, 10:22 PM
Prostitution is not a victimless crime. The victim is the prostitute. In almost all cases, a prostitute is the victim of sexual molestation as a child, and is no more than a slave to her pimp.
Some are and some are not. Prostitution promises significant revenue for fewer hours worked. A fair number of female students turn to stripping and prostitution to decrease the number of hours that they have to work in order to pay for school. Women have historically turned to prostitution to feed themselves and their children when there are no other options and others still have used it to bankroll businesses. Not all prostitutes have pimps and a number of them don't work the streets, but privately on call. While drug addiction and sexual abuse fuels the numbers of street prostitutes, the industry is not confined to the streets.

Redrose
04-14-2015, 10:43 PM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bullshit

#2 If it's consenual sex, why any age restriction? NOT between a teacher (male or female) and a student. That is a crime IMO. Not just for the sex necessarily, but for the breach of trust in that position.

#3 There is a victim there. If you are so drunk that your drunkenness becomes an issue, you cannot legally give consent to engage in a sex act. That to me is rape.

The rest I basically agree with, add motorcycle helmet laws. If they wan to die, let 'em.

Hal Jordan
04-14-2015, 10:51 PM
#2 If it's consenual sex, why any age restriction? NOT between a teacher (male or female) and a student. That is a crime IMO. Not just for the sex necessarily, but for the breach of trust in that position.

#3 There is a victim there. If you are so drunk that your drunkenness becomes an issue, you cannot legally give consent to engage in a sex act. That to me is rape.

The rest I basically agree with, add motorcycle helmet laws. If they wan to die, let 'em.

Well, I didn't know I'd been raped...

Redrose
04-14-2015, 11:24 PM
Well, I didn't know I'd been raped...


How drunk were you? Two inebriated people getting kissy kissy, is one thing, but when the agressor is aware the agreesee is unresponsive drunk, then it's rape.

Hal Jordan
04-14-2015, 11:51 PM
How drunk were you? Two inebriated people getting kissy kissy, is one thing, but when the agressor is aware the agreesee is unresponsive drunk, then it's rape.

Pretty damn. I couldn't remember what happened. It was an unavoidable conclusion, though.

Redrose
04-15-2015, 12:41 AM
Pretty damn. I couldn't remember what happened. It was an unavoidable conclusion, though.


Gee Hal, I hope you're not pregnant. :laugh:

Hal Jordan
04-15-2015, 12:48 AM
Gee Hal, I hope you're not pregnant. :laugh:

Well, it was just over 15 years ago, so I think any chance of that has passed...

zelmo1234
04-15-2015, 02:54 AM
I have no issue as long as it remains victim less.

For example drugs tend to lead the to the F fuck its, and people lose there jobs, once they enter the unemployment or Welfare system, it is no longer victimless as society is not burdened with supporting their habit.

Seat belts if insurance companies can make people not wearing seatbelts pay a high percentage of medical cost so premiums remain the same great, if not, then there are victims.

So as you can see when you go through this list rarely are these victimless. So I agree as long as I am not paying for it, and in nearly every case the public is picking up the tab

Common
04-15-2015, 03:56 AM
Some are and some are not. Prostitution promises significant revenue for fewer hours worked. A fair number of female students turn to stripping and prostitution to decrease the number of hours that they have to work in order to pay for school. Women have historically turned to prostitution to feed themselves and their children when there are no other options and others still have used it to bankroll businesses. Not all prostitutes have pimps and a number of them don't work the streets, but privately on call. While drug addiction and sexual abuse fuels the numbers of street prostitutes, the industry is not confined to the streets.

High end call girls are not in the same category as one thinks as prostitutes. Stripping and prostitution are two different things.

Street Prostitution is horrific. There is just to much to list and have to explain why its so bad.

Legalizing prostitution isnt something im dead against. I just dont see how legalizing it will stop street prostitution of the worst kind. After all its illegal now.

Prostitution is legal in nevada and illegal street prostitution flourishs and has more arrests than NYC. Waving a wand and making anything illegal suddenly legal doesnt change all the problems with it.

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 05:51 AM
#2 If it's consenual sex, why any age restriction? NOT between a teacher (male or female) and a student. That is a crime IMO. Not just for the sex necessarily, but for the breach of trust in that position.

#3 There is a victim there. If you are so drunk that your drunkenness becomes an issue, you cannot legally give consent to engage in a sex act. That to me is rape.

The rest I basically agree with, add motorcycle helmet laws. If they wan to die, let 'em.

Helmet laws are not criminal

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 07:53 AM
Also, for the record, I support stuff like seatbelt and helmet laws because people in general especially motorcycle riders are morons. They're children, they need to be treated like children.

States without helmet laws dumbfound me. We all basically have seatbelt laws but on far less unsafe vehicles there are no seatbelts or laws requiring head protection. Motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets are 100% pure idiots and deserve to plow into a tree and rid the gene pool of their polluted lineage.

Mac-7
04-15-2015, 07:56 AM
Prostitution is not a victimless crime. The victim is the prostitute. In almost all cases, a prostitute is the victim of sexual molestation as a child, and is no more than a slave to her pimp.

It also devalues morality.

and a society lacking morality is bound for trouble.

But that's a hard sell to 20-something libs who condone rape on a public beach.

PolWatch
04-15-2015, 08:15 AM
Also, for the record, I support stuff like seatbelt and helmet laws because people in general especially motorcycle riders are morons. They're children, they need to be treated like children.

States without helmet laws dumbfound me. We all basically have seatbelt laws but on far less unsafe vehicles there are no seatbelts or laws requiring head protection. Motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets are 100% pure idiots and deserve to plow into a tree and rid the gene pool of their polluted lineage.

They do serve a purpose....I remember one medical thriller novel where a doctor was leading a group of motorcyclists to fight the helmet laws. Turned out he was just hoping for more TBI's....he was heart surgeon who wanted more young hearts to transplant.....:wink:

Cigar
04-15-2015, 08:28 AM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bull$#@!

Are you advocating NO Seat belt Law ... over the overwhelming evidence?

Mr. Right
04-15-2015, 10:21 AM
How drunk were you? Two inebriated people getting kissy kissy, is one thing, but when the agressor is aware the agreesee is unresponsive drunk, then it's rape.

Then I've been raped. I need to report it... LOL.. Many times X didn't bother to ask if did or didn't want it.

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 10:58 AM
They do serve a purpose....I remember one medical thriller novel where a doctor was leading a group of motorcyclists to fight the helmet laws. Turned out he was just hoping for more TBI's....he was heart surgeon who wanted more young hearts to transplant.....:wink:

Is that what one might call a "b-novel"?

:biglaugh:

Bo-4
04-15-2015, 10:58 AM
For example

1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bullshit

Can't go along with 3 or 4.. the rest are good.

3) Raping a drunk person is still rape
4) Seat belt and helmet laws protect all of us from higher insurance rates thanks to uninsured idiots

Regarding 2, i believe most states have the law, even Idaho. Pretty stupid to prosecute a 20 year old with a 17 year old girlfriend.

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 11:00 AM
The OP is really bizarre.

It seems like it advocates date rape which is beyond shocking. Beyond that it seems like just a general "piss and moan" because this guy can't get his heroine legally, then give it to some girl at the bar and rape her later on I guess (but she was asking for it because, well - she's doing heroine at a bar) so by definition all that is "victimless".

Yeah, whatever...

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:12 AM
I don't consider DUI victimless

I do. For the sake of argument lets call it impaired driving and define it as anything from poor eyesight to a full blown black out. From the time the motor gets turned on to the time it gets turned off if there has been no property damage, injury or death then where is the victim?

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:31 AM
Yeah right legalize all drugs great idea, this way we can have meth labs everywhere because theyre legal and bath salt labs and flakka labs.

A 19 yr old and 16 yr old right now isnt illegal most states have 14-16 emancipation laws.

Legalizing prostitution doesnt fix the problems with our prostitution, it just creates alot more of it by it being ignored. It wont stop the pimps an the forcing of underage prostitution and everything else.

Im not against it but you just cant say OK its legal have at it.

Instead of your attempt to insult me with your nannystate lover comment how about I insult you and and ask what do you I dont wanna not have to do what ever i wanna do Wahhhhh I dont want no damn rules waaah crowd think it is to be an adult. The laws are clear as to what is considered an adult or not.

You have conjured up a nightmare of ridiculous proportions on this one. Legal recreational drug use would wipe out meth labs over night. What motivation is there to take the added risk of explosion and certain poisoning with meth when you can go to the corner drug store and purchase clean pharmaceutical grade drugs that while not safe - they are as benign as caffeine by comparison? Do you know where you can buy bathtub gin right now? Do you understand why poisonous alcohol is so rare now?

It is completely foolish to draw conclusions on what the outcome will be based on fear mongering. If drugs were the cornicopia of depravity that you have been taught to think they are then every simple surgery would always result in the patient being a hopelessly addicted criminal after recovery. THINK! It helps. Imagine this for a second. Criminal activity is caused by criminal intent. Not by drugs. Not by overbearing parents. Not by society. Not by God.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:32 AM
In my day men who got drunk were lousy lovers!They still are Matty. And they still don't care.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:37 AM
Prostitution is not a victimless crime. The victim is the prostitute. In almost all cases, a prostitute is the victim of sexual molestation as a child, and is no more than a slave to her pimp.

In such cases the victim is arrested, booked, and treated like a criminal. This is sound logic? This is compassion? Just what the fuck is this anyway? I think it is corrupt and more immoral than the dirty little sex act for cash the victim here was arrested for in the first place.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:39 AM
Well, I didn't know I'd been raped...

The video is on YouTube. It is not very flattering.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:46 AM
Also, for the record, I support stuff like seatbelt and helmet laws because people in general especially motorcycle riders are morons. They're children, they need to be treated like children.

States without helmet laws dumbfound me. We all basically have seatbelt laws but on far less unsafe vehicles there are no seatbelts or laws requiring head protection. Motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets are 100% pure idiots and deserve to plow into a tree and rid the gene pool of their polluted lineage.

You are making an argument for outlawing cars and motorcycles because they may bring about injury and death. You aren't aware of it but you are just the same. Straighten up. You have a reputation of not being a chicken little type so why mess it up with this crap?

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 11:50 AM
You are making an argument for outlawing cars and motorcycles because they may bring about injury and death. You aren't aware of it but you are just the same. Straighten up. You have a reputation of not being a chicken little type so why mess it up with this crap?

Who said anything about outlawing cars or bikes?

Click-it, or ticket.

That's basically it, no hidden agendas here.

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 11:53 AM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bull$#@!

So if a girl is passed out drunk on the beach and guys take turns inside her it is okay?

Polecat
04-15-2015, 11:54 AM
Who said anything about outlawing cars or bikes?

Click-it, or ticket.

That's basically it, no hidden agendas here.

You really are completely blind to the turd you are standing on. I guess we all wave a chink in our armor somewhere.

The notion that a law is needed to enforce good judgement for those that lack it is poison. The very same thinking led to prohibition.

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 11:55 AM
So if a girl is passed out drunk on the beach and guys take turns inside her it is okay?

Only if it's done in front of a crowd who records and and beats off to it later.

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 11:56 AM
Only if it's done in front of a crowd who records and and beats off to it later.

Can they sell the video?

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 11:59 AM
You really are completely blind to the turd you are standing on. I guess we all wave a chink in our armor somewhere.

The notion that a law is needed to enforce good judgement for those that lack it is poison. The very same thinking led to prohibition.

When that judgment spills over to my safety and/or well being then it's my concern. If someone wants to sit in their basement and slice themselves with razorblades slowly bleeding themselves to death, hey - go for it, no laws needed here IMO. My insurance premiums pay for these idiots who quad themselves on motorcycles and if some schmuck can't keep his car under control because he's gone through the window because he's not wearing a seat belt then I'm at risk.

I get you're point, but you're not thinking the whole thing through. Couple that with driving being a privilege and I'm putting this one to rest.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 12:00 PM
So if a girl is passed out drunk on the beach and guys take turns inside her it is okay?

The OP dose not even hint at this. Rape is rape. Put this in your pipe and smoke it: A girl goes in a bar and gets a snoot full and then invites all the men present to have a go at her on the pool table. The next day she sobers up and wants to press charges for rape. Finding the victim here is going to be difficult. The bar owner? The brewery? The company that made the pool table?

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 12:00 PM
Can they sell the video?

On Ebay

Polecat
04-15-2015, 12:03 PM
When that judgment spills over to my safety and/or well being then it's my concern. If someone wants to sit in their basement and slice themselves with razorblades slowly bleeding themselves to death, hey - go for it, no laws needed here IMO. My insurance premiums pay for these idiots who quad themselves on motorcycles and if some schmuck can't keep his car under control because he's gone through the window because he's not wearing a seat belt then I'm at risk.

I get you're point, but you're not thinking the whole thing through. Couple that with driving being a privilege and I'm putting this one to rest.

That has to be the weakest thing you have ever said since I started coming here. The old "my insurance premiums" butt hurt is beneath you.

Captain Obvious
04-15-2015, 12:13 PM
That has to be the weakest thing you have ever said since I started coming here. The old "my insurance premiums" butt hurt is beneath you.

I don't understand what you're bellyaching about.

The insurance thing is legit but it's all this stuff. I think 99% of motorcyclists are idiots that have no regard to safety - theirs or anyone else around them and they need to be treated like children and forced to wear helmets, or walk, or be fined. If you think I care about the "freedoms" of these idiots, then maybe that's where your mistaken. I support "freedoms" for people who deserve them, not for idiots who take advantage of them at everyone else's cost, because they're inconsiderate slobs.

And if I have to wear seatbelts then some 4 IQ point, knuckle dragging motorcycle idiot should have to wear a helmet.

What's less safe - me in my F-250 without seatbelts (which is ticketable) or some moron on a Honda 750 without a helmet (which in most states is legal)? Just for fun, I'll ride in my truck without seatbelts and find someone to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. Let's hit each other head on doing, I dunno - say 40mph.

Sound ok?

I guess that was weak too.

Bo-4
04-15-2015, 12:19 PM
The OP dose not even hint at this. Rape is rape. Put this in your pipe and smoke it: A girl goes in a bar and gets a snoot full and then invites all the men present to have a go at her on the pool table. The next day she sobers up and wants to press charges for rape. Finding the victim here is going to be difficult. The bar owner? The brewery? The company that made the pool table?

Oh God, the old "she was asking for it" post. Ever seen the rape scene on a pinball machine -- Jody Foster in The Accused? Get real, the boys will be boys meme died in the 1970's.

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 12:46 PM
The OP dose not even hint at this. Rape is rape. Put this in your pipe and smoke it: A girl goes in a bar and gets a snoot full and then invites all the men present to have a go at her on the pool table. The next day she sobers up and wants to press charges for rape. Finding the victim here is going to be difficult. The bar owner? The brewery? The company that made the pool table?

Really? So it is fine to have group sex with someone blasted out of their mind that may not be competent enough to give consent but not passed out on the beach? hey perhaps the girl on the beach whispered "do me"...

donttread
04-15-2015, 12:48 PM
neither is drugs and prostitution


Please elaborate?

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 12:48 PM
Oh God, the old "she was asking for it" post. Ever seen the rape scene on a pinball machine -- Jody Foster in The Accused? Get real, the boys will be boys meme died in the 1970's.

Yup the chant 1, 2, 3, 4, **** that ***** till its sore.

That is actually what I was thinking of but I did not want to give away my age:(

donttread
04-15-2015, 12:50 PM
Tittle? Freudian slip?

I guess I don't get your logic other than you're a drug user and not a drinker.

I have neither drank nor used illicit drugs in over 30 years. But my step daughter died because her drug of choice was illegal

donttread
04-15-2015, 12:53 PM
Not all of us... :wink:

There's a certain line there where you are sober enough to know what you are doing but drunk enough to go for a long time

Polecat
04-15-2015, 01:03 PM
Really? So it is fine to have group sex with someone blasted out of their mind that may not be competent enough to give consent but not passed out on the beach? hey perhaps the girl on the beach whispered "do me"...

Technically you are not in your right mind to engage in group sex with or without an intoxicant in the mix. I offer a non sexual analogy. You drink a six pack and jump in your car and head home. You make it without incident. No harm no foul. Same scenario only you don't hold your liquor so well and take a short cut through the playground and accidentally smoosh a couple of toddlers. Now we have homicide. There are victims too. Now, lets reverse engineer this tragedy and decide where the legal system could have made a difference between a non event and dead children. If you honestly research this model in thought you will conclude that having laws on the books could not possibly make a difference.

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 01:12 PM
Technically you are not in your right mind to engage in group sex with or without an intoxicant in the mix. I offer a non sexual analogy. You drink a six pack and jump in your car and head home. You make it without incident. No harm no foul. Same scenario only you don't hold your liquor so well and take a short cut through the playground and accidentally smoosh a couple of toddlers. Now we have homicide. There are victims too. Now, lets reverse engineer this tragedy and decide where the legal system could have made a difference between a non event and dead children. If you honestly research this model in thought you will conclude that having laws on the books could not possibly make a difference.

Except if the person that killed the kids got pulled over and jailed for driving drunk.

I really think you got nothing.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 02:05 PM
Except if the person that killed the kids got pulled over and jailed for driving drunk.

I really think you got nothing.
If that is how it really worked then we would not have our current carnage of drunks killing from behind the wheel. Covering your ears and shutting your eyes does not erase this embarrassing fact.

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 04:25 PM
If that is how it really worked then we would not have our current carnage of drunks killing from behind the wheel. Covering your ears and shutting your eyes does not erase this embarrassing fact.

Oh so arresting drunk drivers and getting them off of the roads does not cut back on fatalities? Do realize the roads are paid for by everyone that drives, many that do not. Realize that those are owned by the public and and not private property.

May you be killed by a drunk driver! May it be painful! Let us hope it is not your kids getting killed.

Bo-4
04-15-2015, 04:42 PM
Oh so arresting drunk drivers and getting them off of the roads does not cut back on fatalities? Do realize the roads are paid for by everyone that drives, many that do not. Realize that those are owned by the public and and not private property.

May you be killed by a drunk driver! May it be painful! Let us hope it is not your kids getting killed.

I wouldn't wish such on our deranged one in cat-atonic state.. but yeah, he's fulla crap.

Dr. Who
04-15-2015, 05:03 PM
High end call girls are not in the same category as one thinks as prostitutes. Stripping and prostitution are two different things.

Street Prostitution is horrific. There is just to much to list and have to explain why its so bad.

Legalizing prostitution isnt something im dead against. I just dont see how legalizing it will stop street prostitution of the worst kind. After all its illegal now.

Prostitution is legal in nevada and illegal street prostitution flourishs and has more arrests than NYC. Waving a wand and making anything illegal suddenly legal doesnt change all the problems with it.
I only mention stripping because some strippers hook on the side, sometimes it's required in the less legally compliant strip joints. Of course the street trade is terrible and highly dangerous. I'm not sure that keeping it illegal does much to discourage the practice. It just keeps the vice squad busy processing them and the bail bondsmen making money.

Polecat
04-15-2015, 05:05 PM
Oh so arresting drunk drivers and getting them off of the roads does not cut back on fatalities? Do realize the roads are paid for by everyone that drives, many that do not. Realize that those are owned by the public and and not private property.

May you be killed by a drunk driver! May it be painful! Let us hope it is not your kids getting killed.

So you think there has not been anymore alcohol related deaths on the road since we started throwing drunk drivers in jail. I want to live where you do.

Archer0915
04-15-2015, 05:07 PM
So you think there has not been anymore alcohol related deaths on the road since we started throwing drunk drivers in jail. I want to live where you do.

Why, you are in some La, La land. Stay there and live in your imagination.

Common Sense
04-15-2015, 05:21 PM
So you think there has not been anymore alcohol related deaths on the road since we started throwing drunk drivers in jail. I want to live where you do.

...are you really trying to imply that impaired driving laws should be abolished because they don't prevent all drinking and driving?

zelmo1234
04-15-2015, 05:43 PM
So you think there has not been anymore alcohol related deaths on the road since we started throwing drunk drivers in jail. I want to live where you do.

I am for not making it a crime as long as the punishment is an eye for an eye. You get drunk and kill someone's family, then you family is killed too! And you get to live with it!

donttread
04-15-2015, 05:56 PM
Why should prostitituion be ilegall to begin with

Hal Jordan
04-15-2015, 08:17 PM
I am for not making it a crime as long as the punishment is an eye for an eye. You get drunk and kill someone's family, then you family is killed too! And you get to live with it!

http://thepoliticalforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11174&stc=1

Captain Obvious
11-28-2015, 02:32 PM
Bump

donttread 's thread on why date rape is a victimless crime.

"Sex with drunk people" - who hasn't been drunk and had sex? Probably nobody, it's not a crime. Having sex with a drunk/unconscious person without their consent is date rape.

So sex with horses is ok, unconscious women ok... this guy is a real creep.

Mac-7
11-28-2015, 03:46 PM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bull$#@!

a criminal is someone who breaks the law.

We really should not legalize 11 year old boys having sex with 7 year old girls.

But I'm a conservative who never agrees with liberals on anything else either

Peter1469
11-28-2015, 03:56 PM
a criminal is someone who breaks the law.

We really should not legalize 11 year old boys having sex with 7 year old girls.

But I'm a conservative who never agrees with liberals on anything else either

Conservatives don't vote for big government.

You do. And you demand real conservatives to follow suit. Why is that?

donttread
11-28-2015, 05:58 PM
Bump

@donttread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=922) 's thread on why date rape is a victimless crime.

"Sex with drunk people" - who hasn't been drunk and had sex? Probably nobody, it's not a crime. Having sex with a drunk/unconscious person without their consent is date rape.

So sex with horses is ok, unconscious women ok... this guy is a real creep.

I never defended date rape nor sex with someone who was passed out. However if a person is drunk but still able and willing to participate in the act, that is just life. I resent your sorry ass attempt to justify your unfounded accusations more than I resented the false claim in the first place. Man up and apologize , I assure you your ego will survive

donttread
11-28-2015, 06:01 PM
Bump

@donttread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=922) 's thread on why date rape is a victimless crime.

"Sex with drunk people" - who hasn't been drunk and had sex? Probably nobody, it's not a crime. Having sex with a drunk/unconscious person without their consent is date rape.

So sex with horses is ok, unconscious women ok... this guy is a real creep.

No, just being drunk and far from passed out can make it a crime in some states. At least now I know where your baseless accusation came from

donttread
11-28-2015, 06:10 PM
Bump

@donttread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=922) 's thread on why date rape is a victimless crime.

"Sex with drunk people" - who hasn't been drunk and had sex? Probably nobody, it's not a crime. Having sex with a drunk/unconscious person without their consent is date rape.

So sex with horses is ok, unconscious women ok... this guy is a real creep.

You owe me an apology , . Lets see if your ego is mature enough to do so

Ethereal
11-28-2015, 06:14 PM
If two adults exchange money for drugs, there is no victim. And if the buyer goes home and ingests the drug in the privacy of their own home, there is no victim.

Similarly, if two adults exchange money for sex, there is no victim.

But for some reason, many people living in American think this is their business. In fact, they are so convinced of this that they are willing to initiate violence by proxy against people who engage in these victimless, consensual acts, which is an extreme, irrational reaction.

That is why the "land of the free" rhetoric is such a joke. Americans typically prefer emotional security blankets over freedom. Oh, sure, they will pay lip service to "freedom", especially when comparing themselves to foreign governments like Russia, China, Iran, etc., but when it comes down to it, many Americans are more than willing to trade their freedom for safety, imagined or otherwise.

donttread
11-28-2015, 06:16 PM
If two adults exchange money for drugs, there is no victim. And if the buyer goes home and ingests the drug in the privacy of their own home, there is no victim.

Similarly, if two adults exchange money for sex, there is no victim.

But for some reason, many people living in American think this is their business. In fact, they are so convinced of this that they are willing to initiate violence by proxy against people who engage in these victimless, consensual acts, which is an extreme, irrational reaction.

That is why the "land of the free" rhetoric is such a joke. Americans typically prefer emotional security blankets over freedom. Oh, sure, they will pay lip service to "freedom", especially when comparing themselves to foreign governments like Russia, China, Iran, etc., but when it comes down to it, many Americans are more than willing to trade their freedom for safety, imagined or otherwise.

We have become a control freak society. Look at the rules HOA's impose.

Common
11-28-2015, 06:18 PM
DUI is another one, but it's a big revenue generator and a socially supported concept.

Freedom no longer frees you.

Dui is not victimless the people killed and maimed by DUI is horrific

Ethereal
11-28-2015, 06:23 PM
We have become a control freak society. Look at the rules HOA's impose.

I'm less concerned with HOA rules and more concerned with the federal and state laws that ensnare millions of disparate individuals living hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles apart from one another. In my opinion, the basic unit of a confederation should be the local or municipal government.

donttread
11-28-2015, 06:25 PM
I'm less concerned with HOA rules and more concerned with the federal and state laws that ensnare millions of disparate individuals living hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles apart from one another. In my opinion, the basic unit of a confederation should be the local or municipal government.


Or at least the state

donttread
11-28-2015, 06:30 PM
Prostitution is not a victimless crime. The victim is the prostitute. In almost all cases, a prostitute is the victim of sexual molestation as a child, and is no more than a slave to her pimp.

And a drug addict trying to fund a habit that is high priced because of prohibition

donttread
11-28-2015, 06:32 PM
Yes prohibition of all drugs, in case you hadn't noticed prohibition kills.
I mean not jailing an labeling as a "sex offender" an 18 year old who has sex with his willing 16 year old GF
I agree with you that sex with a passed out person is rape, not to mention not much better than jerking off. But some states like NY have a poorly defined law where a drunk person is not able to give consent even if they actively participate. As well as ridiculous law this also constitutes enabling
No lawsuits. You don't buckle up you take responsibility for not doing so. Besides think of all those life long disabled people the insurance company has to pay for who would be dead without a seat belt.
Again if you have unprotected sex with a prostitute you take responsibilty for what you get. A buddy of mine was in the Navy overseas and once went back to his hooker and said "You gave me the clap" to which she replied without skipping a beat " I gave you nothing , you paid for it"

Just curious but what does it mean to be an adult to you nanny states lovers? It seems to be you simply want to replace your parents with a nanny state. I mean what do you have against personal responsibility?

Hey Captain read sentence number three in this post. It will provide some good material for your apology.

Mac-7
11-28-2015, 06:34 PM
Conservatives don't vote for big government.

You do. And you demand real conservatives to follow suit. Why is that?

No, i vote for smaller government than we get when democrats win the election.

by helping the democrats win you are more responsible for big government than I am

Peter1469
11-28-2015, 07:33 PM
No, i vote for smaller government than we get when democrats win the election.

by helping the democrats win you are more responsible for big government than I am

lol

Keep voting for big government.

Mac-7
11-29-2015, 04:12 AM
lol

Keep voting for big government.

And you keep voting for obama and hillary who are big government

Peter1469
11-29-2015, 04:29 AM
And you keep voting for obama and hillary who are big government

I never voted for big government..., unlike you. You just fool yourself into thinking you didn't.

Ransom
11-29-2015, 09:32 AM
I don't consider DUI victimless

Neither is prostitution.

Ransom
11-29-2015, 09:33 AM
And you keep voting for obama and hillary who are big government

Pete's foreign policy position do most mirror those of Obama.

Ransom
11-29-2015, 09:43 AM
I like seat belt laws for children. I support zoning laws as far as prostitution goes, I don't believe they should be able to set up shop in your neighborhood. Nor mine.

I also support a law that would produce a bright lime green glow beneath your vehicle should you be texting while driving and then would support taxpayer funded Apache Helicopter squadron to hellfire those who violate that law. While in their car of course... as a warning to other drivers.

Captain Obvious
11-29-2015, 09:56 AM
You owe me an apology , . Lets see if your ego is mature enough to do so

Go fuck a horse you creep.

Captain Obvious
11-29-2015, 09:59 AM
Dui is not victimless the people killed and maimed by DUI is horrific

Bullshit

DUI is stupid, injury or death by DUI is criminal negligence.

Its all a racket.

Common
11-29-2015, 10:01 AM
Bullshit

DUI is stupid, injury or death by DUI is criminal negligence.

Its all a racket.

Absolutely disagree and I saw it day in and day out up front and personal. I know better Capt. Next you will be telling me texting doesnt kill anyone and is harmless behind the wheel

Crepitus
11-29-2015, 10:05 AM
...are you really trying to imply that impaired driving laws should be abolished because they don't prevent all drinking and driving?
Why not? There are a bunch of people here who want no gun control because it can't stop all gun violence.

Captain Obvious
11-29-2015, 10:14 AM
Absolutely disagree and I saw it day in and day out up front and personal. I know better Capt. Next you will be telling me texting doesnt kill anyone and is harmless behind the wheel

Texting and driving is stupid, but not criminal.

If stupidity were criminal we would need to increase our prisons a thousand fold.

donttread
11-29-2015, 10:25 AM
Go fuck a horse you creep.


Yeah, that's about the level of "manhood" I expected from you. You falsely accuse me of supporting date rape, link back to a thread that proves I do not support such criminal activity and then your little boy ego prevents you from doing the right thing an apologizing. Ever hear of arrested development?

Crepitus
11-29-2015, 12:45 PM
For example
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

We have plenty of real criminals to deal with without this bullshit
None of those crimes are victimless.

Cigar
11-29-2015, 01:29 PM
DUI is another one, but it's a big revenue generator and a socially supported concept.

Freedom no longer frees you.

It's 2015 ... there's no more excuses to Drive Drunk anymore with all the available options

Captain Obvious
11-29-2015, 02:06 PM
It's 2015 ... there's no more excuses to Drive Drunk anymore with all the available options

If stupidity were a crime you'd be on death row.

donttread
11-30-2015, 06:45 AM
None of those crimes are victimless.

How so? Most of the damage done by drugs in this country is done by prohibition, not the drug.

donttread
11-30-2015, 06:51 AM
DUI is another one, but it's a big revenue generator and a socially supported concept.

Freedom no longer frees you.


Do you support drunk driving? Notice I'm asking nit accusing. And you still owe me an apology.

Crepitus
11-30-2015, 07:37 AM
How so? Most of the damage done by drugs in this country is done by prohibition, not the drug.
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

1) Is not a crime, it's a law.

2) In most cases sure, but at the younger ages there can be a large difference in maturity over those three years, leaving open the potential for abuse.

3) Depends on how drunk.

4) Petty thing to worry about, but it helps keep insurance rates lower at the least.

5) Really?

6) This is the only one i agree with, but it still isn't "victimless"

donttread
11-30-2015, 06:16 PM
1) Prohibition
2) Consensual sex among people within a three year age difference
3) Sex with drunk people
4) Seat belt laws
5) Prostitution
6) Charging an under age person with child porn for posting their own nude photos

1) Is not a crime, it's a law.

2) In most cases sure, but at the younger ages there can be a large difference in maturity over those three years, leaving open the potential for abuse.

3) Depends on how drunk.

4) Petty thing to worry about, but it helps keep insurance rates lower at the least.

5) Really?

6) This is the only one i agree with, but it still isn't "victimless"

1) No real difference
2) You could make it a two year age range for younger teens for example
3) Drunk but able to actively participate , if that's a crime arrest everyfuckingbidy
4) We managed before these laws
5) Yes, but most low level prostitution is linked to the high cost of drugs due to.... prohibition
6) They've done that to a 14 year old girl for posting her own nude photos. She needed her ass jacked by her parents and no electronics till she's 23 but she's not a sex criminal and should not have had to face such charges

Crepitus
11-30-2015, 06:32 PM
1) No real difference

I suppose you could say that.


2) You could make it a two year age range for younger teens for example

Maybe.....


3) Drunk but able to actively participate , if that's a crime arrest everyfuckingbidy

That's a different story, but where do you draw the line?


4) We managed before these laws

true enough, but it's till not a vicitmless crime.


5) Yes, but most low level prostitution is linked to the high cost of drugs due to.... prohibition

Just can't agree with you on this one.


6) They've done that to a 14 year old girl for posting her own nude photos. She needed her ass jacked by her parents and no electronics till she's 23 but she's not a sex criminal and should not have had to face such charges


Charge the parents with utter failure, but she still committed a crime even if the most obvious victim is herself.

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 06:53 PM
Do you support drunk driving? Notice I'm asking nit accusing. And you still owe me an apology.

Having sex drunk isn't a crime, it only becomes a crime when the element of consent is missing - ie: "rape". You simply stated that you support sexual assault against drunk (assumingly) women. Otherwise, the whole thing is a non-issue because having drunken sex isn't a crime. If it were, 99.3% could be in jail right now.

I don't know how anyone.... even tries defending fucking a horse, there really are no words for that.

I've clearly stated my stance on DUI, several times now. There's no need to repeat it once more. If you haven't gotten it by now you're not going to get it and I'm not going to let you waste my time.

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 06:55 PM
And, here's my apology:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlDpDr2gQYI

Common Sense
11-30-2015, 06:56 PM
Yeah, no one will ever convince me that DUI is a victimless crime.

It's like saying shooting into a schoolyard isn't a crime unless you actually shoot a child.

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 07:02 PM
Yeah, no one will ever convince me that DUI is a victimless crime.

It's like saying shooting into a schoolyard isn't a crime unless you actually shoot a child.

Who's the victim?

Guy gets loaded at the bar, drives home at .15 safely, who's the victim?

Society, that is, because our legal system is clogged with this garbage.

Archer0915
11-30-2015, 07:07 PM
Yes prohibition of all drugs, in case you hadn't noticed prohibition kills.
I mean not jailing an labeling as a "sex offender" an 18 year old who has sex with his willing 16 year old GF
I agree with you that sex with a passed out person is rape, not to mention not much better than jerking off. But some states like NY have a poorly defined law where a drunk person is not able to give consent even if they actively participate. As well as ridiculous law this also constitutes enabling
No lawsuits. You don't buckle up you take responsibility for not doing so. Besides think of all those life long disabled people the insurance company has to pay for who would be dead without a seat belt.
Again if you have unprotected sex with a prostitute you take responsibilty for what you get. A buddy of mine was in the Navy overseas and once went back to his hooker and said "You gave me the clap" to which she replied without skipping a beat " I gave you nothing , you paid for it"

Just curious but what does it mean to be an adult to you nanny states lovers? It seems to be you simply want to replace your parents with a nanny state. I mean what do you have against personal responsibility?

Sure! When we do away with all government assistance!

Common Sense
11-30-2015, 07:09 PM
Who's the victim?

Guy gets loaded at the bar, drives home at .15 safely, who's the victim?

Society, that is, because our legal system is clogged with this garbage.

Guy shoots into a schoolyard hitting no one, who is the victim?

It's the height of stupidity and selfishness to drive while drunk.

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 07:10 PM
Guy shoots into a schoolyard hitting no one, who is the victim?

It's the height of stupidity and selfishness to drive while drunk.

Didn't answer the question, as expected.

Next...

Common Sense
11-30-2015, 07:12 PM
Didn't answer the question, as expected.

Next...

The crime is driving while intoxicated. Your judgment, reflexes and vision are impaired. Just because nothing happened that time, does not mean the action isn't dangerous.

I understand it's how you feel, but you're dead wrong on this one.

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 07:13 PM
The crime is driving while intoxicated. Your judgment, reflexes and vision are impaired. Just because nothing happened that time, does not mean the action isn't dangerous.

I understand it's how you feel, but you're dead wrong on this one.

How can I be wrong asking a question?

Who's the victim?

Common Sense
11-30-2015, 07:17 PM
How can I be wrong asking a question?

Who's the victim?

There doesn't need to be a victim in this case. Just as there is no victim in shooting across a school yard during recess but not hitting anyone. The crime is in endangering the public.

Allowing that to be a legal activity will ensure more people die from drinking and driving. Addressing it criminally after a person has died is ridiculous.

Look, I don't know if this is a personal issue for you, or if you've been charged with a DUI, but I've lost good friends to this.

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 07:24 PM
There doesn't need to be a victim in this case. Just as there is no victim in shooting across a school yard during recess but not hitting anyone. The crime is in endangering the public.

Allowing that to be a legal activity will ensure more people die from drinking and driving. Addressing it criminally after a person has died is ridiculous.

Look, I don't know if this is a personal issue for you, or if you've been charged with a DUI, but I've lost good friends to this.

So... if there's no victim, and it's a crime then...

Can you connect the dots now?

Common Sense
11-30-2015, 07:26 PM
So... if there's no victim, and it's a crime then...

Can you connect the dots now?

Endangering the public is a crime.

Clearly we don't see eye to eye on this and thankfully the law is going to stay the same.

So...

Captain Obvious
11-30-2015, 07:27 PM
lawlz

donttread
12-01-2015, 05:40 AM
I suppose you could say that.



Maybe.....



That's a different story, but where do you draw the line?



true enough, but it's till not a vicitmless crime.



Just can't agree with you on this one.




Charge the parents with utter failure, but she still committed a crime even if the most obvious victim is herself.

It's a oxymoronic concept isn't it. If she's way too young to consent to sex or nude pics how can she be old enough to charge with the "crime" of posting the naked pics? She either isn't mature enough to understand or she is but they appear to want it both ways in one case

donttread
12-01-2015, 05:44 AM
Having sex drunk isn't a crime, it only becomes a crime when the element of consent is missing - ie: "rape". You simply stated that you support sexual assault against drunk (assumingly) women. Otherwise, the whole thing is a non-issue because having drunken sex isn't a crime. If it were, 99.3% could be in jail right now.

I don't know how anyone.... even tries defending fucking a horse, there really are no words for that.

I've clearly stated my stance on DUI, several times now. There's no need to repeat it once more. If you haven't gotten it by now you're not going to get it and I'm not going to let you waste my time.

It is a crime in some states. So whatever you have to say to justify not being man enough to own your false accusation and apologize . The horse is a sad situation but how is it a crime?

zelmo1234
12-01-2015, 07:06 AM
DUI is another one, but it's a big revenue generator and a socially supported concept.

Freedom no longer frees you.

I have NO issues with getting rid of these crimes. with a few conditions.

#1 Those that choose to used Drugs and Alcohol are not eligible for unemployment or Welfare programs because people that abuse them tend to have trouble keeping jobs. and if they are on these programs, then there are victims, the people paying for their sorry asses to exist.

#2 & 3 Consensual Sex among young people and Sex with Drunk- Not a problem here, with of course the exception of them getting pregnant or having an abortion. So we need too ban abortion as a form of birth control and again keep them off the public assistance roles because if they are added to the welfare system, then there are victims.

#4 Seatbelt laws - just like helmet laws, the insurance companies should be able to charge higher rates if consumers do not want to use safety laws, and if proven that they would have saved the persons life, the should not have to pay death benefits other wise there are victim's

#5 Prostitution, Again as long as they are not on public assistance and they are held accountable for STD's with Murder being on the list for transferring AIDs if people die? I am good because if you don't do this, then there are victims.

#6 Child Porn I am not adding to your list because it is just sick and twisted. Selfies which I think you are talking about. should result in them losing phone privileges for a year. that should stop the problem

And the addition of DUI I have no problem with this, as long as drunk drivers that kill incent people are hung from the nearest lamp post to where they committed there crime, and left for a week for people to see the results, because if a drunk driver kills people, then there are victims.

So as long as we keep them truly victimless. I have no issues

zelmo1234
12-01-2015, 07:11 AM
great idea!

How about we add another condition Say and 18 year old has sex with my 16 year old daughter And the father takes his revenge, under the conditions of the OP, that is getting what you paid for is it not.

So if they find him sitting by his car with his member cut of and shoved in his mouth, he is just getting what he paid for.

zelmo1234
12-01-2015, 07:15 AM
Actually despite all you've been told there is absolutely no real world evidence that prohibition has ever worked. None. there is however, plenty of evidence that countries ( like Portugal) who decrimilize then treat addiction as a disease decrease cost and deaths without increased use. Your bath salts example shows how limited your information on this subject really is. "Bath salts were created in an attempt to bypass NJ prohibition but turned out to be much worse than MJ
Not all states have "Romeo and Juliet laws" check it out .
Actually, again I'd advise you to look at the real world of drug use in America, most prostitution is caused by the high price of illegal drugs for addicts.

As for your last statement . The laws are anything but clear about adult hood. A 14 year old can be charged as an adult and a 17 year old can't consent to sex in some states, an 18 year old can choose to put his or her life on the line but you have to be 21 to drink. Again these are vicitimless crimes that do nothing put feed the prison industrial complex and make people unemployable. In fact the only thing you are right about is that I should not have insulted you as part of my reply.
I defy you to find ANY real world evidence that modern prohibition works anywhere.

I don't want to pay for the treatment of Drug addicted or Alcohol addicted people, that makes me the victim. If they want to use drugs and alcohol they are on there own if the die? then they are the only victim and they did it to themselves.

Making others provide treatment is wrong. If you want to call them victimless crimes, then you can't get into other peoples wallets to support their choices.

Crepitus
12-01-2015, 07:53 AM
How about we add another condition Say and 18 year old has sex with my 16 year old daughter And the father takes his revenge, under the conditions of the OP, that is getting what you paid for is it not.

So if they find him sitting by his car with his member cut of and shoved in his mouth, he is just getting what he paid for.
Psychotic crap like this is one big reason why we need laws.

donttread
12-02-2015, 06:07 AM
I don't want to pay for the treatment of Drug addicted or Alcohol addicted people, that makes me the victim. If they want to use drugs and alcohol they are on there own if the die? then they are the only victim and they did it to themselves.

Making others provide treatment is wrong. If you want to call them victimless crimes, then you can't get into other peoples wallets to support their choices.



treatment cost far less than keeping them in jail and unlike jail actually rehabilitates some people

zelmo1234
12-02-2015, 06:28 AM
treatment cost far less than keeping them in jail and unlike jail actually rehabilitates some people

I am not talking about putting them in jail, it will not be a crime, so they can do what every they want. I am just not letting them have social assistance programs because they chose to become a junkie.

Now if the die? they chose that too? God Bless America. I is a free country and that cleans up the Gene pool

zelmo1234
12-02-2015, 06:30 AM
Psychotic crap like this is one big reason why we need laws.


Almost as Psychotic as allowing Adults to have sex with minors.

Crepitus
12-02-2015, 07:36 AM
Almost as Psychotic as allowing Adults to have sex with minors.
I ain't about that either.

donttread
12-02-2015, 04:39 PM
I am not talking about putting them in jail, it will not be a crime, so they can do what every they want. I am just not letting them have social assistance programs because they chose to become a junkie.

Now if the die? they chose that too? God Bless America. I is a free country and that cleans up the Gene pool

Well since addiction is alot like type two diabetes, should we stop paying for their healthcare too? Or obese people? Smokers? People who drink too much? The fact is that lifestyle is the number one cause of most healthcare spending

donttread
12-02-2015, 04:41 PM
Almost as Psychotic as allowing Adults to have sex with minors.

We already do that it's just a question of how "minor". Many states have an age of consent of 17 , some 16. So on that birthday the gal can make love to a 35 year old player , but the day before it would of been stautory rape for her 18 yer old boyfriend to have sex with her. Does that make any fucking sense at all?

donttread
12-02-2015, 05:12 PM
Or date rape.

There is defintinely a victim in date rape, but remember the term is date rape" not "date, I changed my mind after the fact when my parents found out"