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Cigar
04-21-2015, 09:07 AM
All The GOP Candidates are talking about Income Inequality :biglaugh:



Bill O'Reilly: economic unfairness will be the big issue in 2016
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDE2bvSUMAA53LI.png


http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/bill-oreilly-pity-poor-rich-man

http://media.cagle.com/47/2015/04/20/162863_600.jpg

http://assets.amuniversal.com/ef5a6de0ca420132db44005056a9545d.jpg

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 09:09 AM
Billery too.

Reports say that Robin Hood will be her 2016 campaign manager.

Cigar
04-21-2015, 09:10 AM
Billery too.

Reports say that Robin Hood will be her 2016 campaign manager.

She beat them to the punch ... sucks to be in Second Place all the time. :laugh:

Matty
04-21-2015, 09:11 AM
According to leftist expert Captain Obvious bill has no credibility so you must pay him no never mind.

PolWatch
04-21-2015, 09:13 AM
Whatever it takes to get elected....they would have a platform to rescue the whales if they thought it would get votes. (Note: they = all politicians)

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 09:20 AM
She beat them to the punch ... sucks to be in Second Place all the time. :laugh:

Since Billery is most responsible for the loss of high paying middle class jobs it should be the last thing the campaign wants to talk about.

Matty
04-21-2015, 09:26 AM
The point is Hilly Billy makes more than the CEO's she's bitching about. She's the typical left wing hard left liberal hypocrite.

maineman
04-21-2015, 10:33 AM
I would have absolutely no gripe if the marginal tax rates were raised to Clinton era levels.

Mister D
04-21-2015, 10:36 AM
Whatever it takes to get elected....they would have a platform to rescue the whales if they thought it would get votes. (Note: they = all politicians)

Exactly. Clinton isn't chided as the greatest Republican POTUS for nothing.

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 10:58 AM
I would have absolutely no gripe if the marginal tax rates were raised to Clinton era levels.

Of course you wouldn't, it's someone else's money.

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 10:58 AM
A fundamental tenant of liberalism - taking other peoples money and spending it for them.

Chris
04-21-2015, 10:59 AM
All The GOP Candidates are talking about Income Inequality :biglaugh:



Bill O'Reilly: economic unfairness will be the big issue in 2016
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDE2bvSUMAA53LI.png


http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/bill-oreilly-pity-poor-rich-man

http://media.cagle.com/47/2015/04/20/162863_600.jpg

http://assets.amuniversal.com/ef5a6de0ca420132db44005056a9545d.jpg



What'd you think there was a bit of a difference between the two parties?

Cigar
04-21-2015, 11:22 AM
Since Billery is most responsible for the loss of high paying middle class jobs it should be the last thing the campaign wants to talk about.

Yea ... being a First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State can do that. :laugh:

maineman
04-21-2015, 11:28 AM
Of course you wouldn't, it's someone else's money.

I pay the highest marginal tax rate already. you don't, I take it.

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 11:29 AM
Yea ... being a First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State can do that. :laugh:

I was thinking of the 8 years as president when the clintons gave away the store to china.

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 11:33 AM
I pay the highest marginal tax rate already. you don't, I take it.

Yes, of course you do.

You're on the internet. Everyone on the internet has a 6+ digit salary, 130+ IQ and a 7+ inch cock.

Everyone knows that.

maineman
04-21-2015, 12:13 PM
Yes, of course you do.

You're on the internet. Everyone on the internet has a 6+ digit salary, 130+ IQ and a 7+ inch $#@!.

Everyone knows that.
I'm retired so I don't have a salary. I do have a high IQ, and the other issue is really nothing I care to talk about. I had a great navy career, a lucrative second career in public utilities management, and a very very wealthy father. How did you do it?

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 12:23 PM
I'm retired so I don't have a salary. I do have a high IQ, and the other issue is really nothing I care to talk about. I had a great navy career, a lucrative second career in public utilities management, and a very very wealthy father. How did you do it?

If the Captain buys all that I have a bridge for sale that he might be interested in also.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 12:55 PM
I would have absolutely no gripe if the marginal tax rates were raised to Clinton era levels.

Are you sure?



For taxpayers who take the standard deduction and have no children


Taxpayer
Tax That Would Have Been Owed under Clinton-Era Tax Law
Tax Owed under Current Law, with Bush Tax Cuts


Single, income of 30,000
$3,157.50
$2,756.25


Single, income of 50,000
$7,262.50
$6,606.25


Married, income of $50,000
$5,085.00
$4,012.50




Married, income of $60,000
$6,585.00
$5,512.50


Single, income of $75,000
$14,262.50
$12,856.25


Married, income of $75,000
$9,426.50
$7,762.50


Single, income of $125,000*
$29,378.50
$26,472.25


Married, income of $125,000*
$23,426.50
$19,462.50

PolWatch
04-21-2015, 12:56 PM
Yes, of course you do.

You're on the internet. Everyone on the internet has a 6+ digit salary, 130+ IQ and a 7+ inch cock.

Everyone knows that.

uh...my husband may throw my computer away if he reads that....

del
04-21-2015, 12:57 PM
A fundamental tenant of liberalism - taking other peoples money and spending it for them.

tenet, webster, tenet

and cons don't seem to mind pissing it away either; they just choose different ratholes

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 01:00 PM
tenet, webster, tenet

and cons don't seem to mind pissing it away either; they just choose different ratholes

Of course fence sitters didn't vote for any WINNING candidate so they are never to blame for bad policy in Washington.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 01:03 PM
I'm retired so I don't have a salary. I do have a high IQ, and the other issue is really nothing I care to talk about. I had a great navy career, a lucrative second career in public utilities management, and a very very wealthy father. How did you do it?

The way your father did, I earned it!

maineman
04-21-2015, 01:10 PM
The way your father did, I earned it!

I put up with him.... I earned it too!

maineman
04-21-2015, 01:10 PM
If the Captain buys all that I have a bridge for sale that he might be interested in also.

what part of that don't you buy mac?

maineman
04-21-2015, 01:28 PM
:: crickets chirping ::
Mac-7 calls me a liar and then can't stand and defend his accusation. why am I not at all surprised?

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 02:02 PM
I'm retired so I don't have a salary. I do have a high IQ, and the other issue is really nothing I care to talk about. I had a great navy career, a lucrative second career in public utilities management, and a very very wealthy father. How did you do it?

My father wasn't wealthy, far from it. I earned (and entirely paid for) my college degree and MBA. Got my CPA license and now I'm a hospital CFO.

I did this, went to college and worked full time while getting married young and raising a family. Bought my first house when I was 20, no help from anyone.

Thanks for asking.

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 02:04 PM
tenet, webster, tenet

and cons don't seem to mind pissing it away either; they just choose different ratholes

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/26/263bbec66d658ba0d962dc655b429e9c14fe15afcd9e4598db 25ef316d34b0f0.jpg

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 02:05 PM
If the Captain buys all that I have a bridge for sale that he might be interested in also.

I don't have any reason not to believe him, I just find it odd that he felt the need to bring all that up as if it were a defense of sorts.

Common
04-21-2015, 02:05 PM
All The GOP Candidates are talking about Income Inequality :biglaugh:



Bill O'Reilly: economic unfairness will be the big issue in 2016


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDE2bvSUMAA53LI.png


http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/bill-oreilly-pity-poor-rich-man

http://media.cagle.com/47/2015/04/20/162863_600.jpg

http://assets.amuniversal.com/ef5a6de0ca420132db44005056a9545d.jpg

The do that every election to bullshit us

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 02:06 PM
The way your father did, I earned it!

:)

Common
04-21-2015, 02:07 PM
:: crickets chirping ::
@Mac-7 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1014) calls me a liar and then can't stand and defend his accusation. why am I not at all surprised?

Be careful he will your a Lib and lefty and dem and lib and another lib you to death

Polecat
04-21-2015, 02:46 PM
Be careful he will your a Lib and lefty and dem and lib and another lib you to death

Who isn't a lib where Mac's concerned?

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:02 PM
Makes no difference to me if a person worked their butt off to get their money or their daddy did. Having wealth is not morally bankrupt. Having enough wealth for a 1000 people is morally bankrupt. There is a reasonable limit somewhere as to how much is enough. It needed to be set and enforced a long time ago. It is too late now.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:03 PM
Makes no difference to me if a person worked their butt off to get their money or their daddy did. Having wealth is not morally bankrupt. Having enough wealth for a 1000 people is morally bankrupt. There is a reasonable limit somewhere as to how much is enough. It needed to be set and enforced a long time ago. It is too late now.

Why would you work after you hit the limit? that would be stupid.

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 03:06 PM
Why would you work after you hit the limit? that would be stupid.

If you have enough resources, earning more wealth is no longer correlated to how hard one works.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:07 PM
Why would you work after you hit the limit? that would be stupid.

If you love your work you would do it for nothing. If all you love is money then you will end up stealing it from other people. That is stupid.

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 03:08 PM
:: crickets chirping ::
@Mac-7 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1014) calls me a liar and then can't stand and defend his accusation. why am I not at all surprised?

I've been busy with more important matters.

i have no way of knowing whether you are telling the truth or not.

But the Internet is full of liars so I will not accept any personal claims about yourself.

Just stick to the political issues and save the personal stuff for Facebook.

Chris
04-21-2015, 03:08 PM
Makes no difference to me if a person worked their butt off to get their money or their daddy did. Having wealth is not morally bankrupt. Having enough wealth for a 1000 people is morally bankrupt. There is a reasonable limit somewhere as to how much is enough. It needed to be set and enforced a long time ago. It is too late now.


Having enough wealth for a 1000 people is morally bankrupt.

It is? Why?


There is a reasonable limit somewhere as to how much is enough.

There is? What? Who decides?


Do you assume what's moral is what's reasonable?

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 03:12 PM
It is? Why?



There is? What? Who decides?


Do you assume what's moral is what's reasonable?

All things considered, nobody should decide.

When that wealth is gotten at significant advantages (and withheld from those trying to earn it because of those same significant advantages) then it's not just to say "who gets to decide" because it was basically stolen anyway.

Redrose
04-21-2015, 03:14 PM
She beat them to the punch ... sucks to be in Second Place all the time. :laugh:

Since 1968, the GOP has been in the WH 28 years, the DEMS 24 years by the end of O's last term.

GOP in "second place all the time" is a foolish statement, and far from accurate.

nic34
04-21-2015, 03:15 PM
I was thinking of the 8 years as president when the clintons gave away the store to china.

You misspelled nixon and reagan.... :grin:

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:16 PM
It is? Why?


There is? What? Who decides?


Do you assume what's moral is what's reasonable?

You ever sit down at the table for dinner and eat all the food before anyone else gets a go at it? Even though you were full 10 plates ago? If you have enough money that you could squander 10 million a week for the rest of your life and still die rich is that not enough? You want more than that!?! Greed is the most reprehensible trait a human can exhibit.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:21 PM
If you love your work you would do it for nothing. If all you love is money then you will end up stealing it from other people. That is stupid.

I do love my work, but I love fly fishing too, I would like to see all of the battlefields in the US from the civil war.

Why would I still run a business? If there is nothing in it. Close up shop and enjoy life.

But if you can tell me how what I earn effects anyone else's earnings. I might consider you policy

show me how my earnings keep others from making money

Safety
04-21-2015, 03:22 PM
Why would you work after you hit the limit? that would be stupid.

That's not entirely true, I know several individuals that are maxed out on their pension, but still choose to come to work. They are actually losing money (gas, wear and tear on vehicle, etc) by choosing to stay working instead of retiring.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:22 PM
You misspelled nixon and reagan.... :grin:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82426

No he got it right

Bob
04-21-2015, 03:23 PM
You ever sit down at the table for dinner and eat all the food before anyone else gets a go at it? Even though you were full 10 plates ago? If you have enough money that you could squander 10 million a week for the rest of your life and still die rich is that not enough? You want more than that!?! Greed is the most reprehensible trait a human can exhibit.

You assume you know why they get even richer.

They have fun for one thing. They enjoy making other lives better. They enjoy the service they provide.

Best thing you could do is get near a very rich person to actually learn the truth.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:23 PM
That's not entirely true, I know several individuals that are maxed out on their pension, but still choose to come to work. They are actually losing money (gas, wear and tear on vehicle, etc) by choosing to stay working instead of retiring.

OK they can't put any more money in there pensions, Are they still making a check? I am guessing that they are.

That check is money!

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:25 PM
I do love my work, but I love fly fishing too, I would like to see all of the battlefields in the US from the civil war.

Why would I still run a business? If there is nothing in it. Close up shop and enjoy life.

But if you can tell me how what I earn effects anyone else's earnings. I might consider you policy

show me how my earnings keep others from making money

OK. First, tell me how many corporate jet aircraft do you own?

Safety
04-21-2015, 03:26 PM
OK they can't put any more money in there pensions, Are they still making a check? I am guessing that they are.

That check is money!

They are working for 15% and spending 25% by doing it, therefore losing 10%.

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 03:26 PM
You misspelled nixon and reagan.... :grin:

That same old joke again.

Libs have no originality or imagination.

Captain Obvious
04-21-2015, 03:28 PM
That same old joke again.

Libs have no originality or imagination.

libliblibliblibliblibliblib have liblibliblibliblibliblib no libliblibliblibliblibliblibliblib originality

Yeah, sure...

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:30 PM
OK. First, tell me how many corporate jet aircraft do you own?

None but I do charter private jets sometimes. and I am somewhere in the top 1 to 2 percent.

Are only the people that own aircraft the rich people that are stealing from the public? I would think that someone might need to build those planes, maintain those planes, and most rich folks don't have a pilots license?

how does having a plane make you steal form others.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:31 PM
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=JN.Xq7MdstZqt/dU1z4qGIlXw&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

Matty
04-21-2015, 03:31 PM
libliblibliblibliblibliblib have liblibliblibliblibliblib no libliblibliblibliblibliblibliblib originality

Yeah, sure...


If's it's offensive to you to hear the word lib use your influence to get it banned, or keep shitting your pants. Either way.

nic34
04-21-2015, 03:32 PM
Since Billery is most responsible for the loss of high paying middle class jobs it should be the last thing the campaign wants to talk about.

Not even president and already getting the blame....

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:32 PM
None but I do charter private jets sometimes. and I am somewhere in the top 1 to 2 percent.

Are only the people that own aircraft the rich people that are stealing from the public? I would think that someone might need to build those planes, maintain those planes, and most rich folks don't have a pilots license?

how does having a plane make you steal form others.
You are a billionaire and you don't even own your own jet? What a freakin tight wad!

nic34
04-21-2015, 03:33 PM
A fundamental tenant of liberalism - taking other peoples money and spending it for them.

liblibliblibliblibliblibliblibliblibliblibliblib.. .............

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:33 PM
Not even president and already getting the blame....

Says the person representing the party that has blamed GWB for 6.5 years.

Bob
04-21-2015, 03:35 PM
You are a billionaire and you don't even own your own jet? What a freakin tight wad!

It is easy to charter. No need to have a personal pilot or airplane.

Chris
04-21-2015, 03:36 PM
You ever sit down at the table for dinner and eat all the food before anyone else gets a go at it? Even though you were full 10 plates ago? If you have enough money that you could squander 10 million a week for the rest of your life and still die rich is that not enough? You want more than that!?! Greed is the most reprehensible trait a human can exhibit.

You changed your complaint from one about production of wealth to one of consumption.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:37 PM
So, Zelmo. I can use some input here. Is it a recreational exercise to make profit? I simply don't understand wanting more when you already have more. Does this question make any sense?

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:38 PM
You changed your complaint from one about production of wealth to one of consumption.

You be quiet Chris. I know you aren't in the top 1 to 2%.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:39 PM
You are a billionaire and you don't even own your own jet? What a freakin tight wad!

And here lies the problem the Democrats complain about the top 1% and have NO clue what a 1% er makes in a year.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/the-top-1-percentand-01-percentof-every-age-group-in-america/382094/

So I am 49 years old, And am well over the 1% not yet to the 0.1% but it is something to look forward to

What you are talking about is the top 0.000001%

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:40 PM
You be quiet Chris. I know you aren't in the top 1 to 2%.

If you think it takes a billion dollars to get to the top 1% you are way off!

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:41 PM
It is easy to charter. No need to have a personal pilot or airplane.

Charter is frugal too. Ownership of some private jets far exceeds their value.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:45 PM
And here lies the problem the Democrats complain about the top 1% and have NO clue what a 1% er makes in a year.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/the-top-1-percentand-01-percentof-every-age-group-in-america/382094/

So I am 49 years old, And am well over the 1% not yet to the 0.1% but it is something to look forward to

What you are talking about is the top 0.000001%

Thanks for the education. You are right. I have no idea where the lines are drawn.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:46 PM
If you think it takes a billion dollars to get to the top 1% you are way off!

So, where about does one just enter into the 1% at?

nic34
04-21-2015, 03:47 PM
Says the person representing the party that has blamed GWB for 6.5 years.

Well, he IS to blame....

Deregulated wall street, a great time to be a Wall Street executive
Cut Taxes For The Wealthy, over 50% of which benefited the richest 5%
Ran up a tab on two wars costing trillions of dollars.
Left homeowners hi and dry, but was happy to help out the banks

Good Times. :grin:

nic34
04-21-2015, 03:49 PM
So, where about does one just enter into the 1% at?

http://www.brimg.net/images/20111024-agi-floor-percentiles.png

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 03:50 PM
So, where about does one just enter into the 1% at?

For my age about 400k per year? That is Extremely rich, is it not! they should pay at least 70% of that in taxes don't you think?

Chris
04-21-2015, 03:55 PM
You be quiet Chris. I know you aren't in the top 1 to 2%.

Whatever.

If I generate wealth by the economic means of providing others what they want why not?

Now in today's collusion between rich and powerful where political means are used, then I agree it's greedy, immoral.

Like many you blame only the rich and leave their powerful ally, the government, out.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:55 PM
For my age about 400k per year? That is Extremely rich, is it not! they should pay at least 70% of that in taxes don't you think?

Maybe you are in the top 1% in Michigan. Globally you ain't even a player. I would call 400K a year well to do but not rich. But If you have a billion squirreled away somewhere and you still think you need to earn that 400K a year to be a man then you have a demon at the helm.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 03:59 PM
Whatever.

If I generate wealth by the economic means of providing others what they want why not?

Now in today's collusion between rich and powerful where political means are used, then I agree it's greedy, immoral.

Like many you blame only the rich and leave their powerful ally, the government, out.

I don't think like most people so I don't think of someone that has a lot of money as being the evil rich. It is when they can't stop destroying others just to add to their own pile I get pissy.

PolWatch
04-21-2015, 04:07 PM
All things considered, nobody should decide.

When that wealth is gotten at significant advantages (and withheld from those trying to earn it because of those same significant advantages) then it's not just to say "who gets to decide" because it was basically stolen anyway.

When you look at the number of wealthy families that acquired their start though unfair practices in the age of the robber barons, etc. what is fair? They stole their riches from everyone else but over time they have become socially accepted.

The Sage of Main Street
04-21-2015, 04:12 PM
I earned (and entirely paid for) my college degree and MBA. Got my CPA license and now I'm a hospital CFO.

I did this, went to college and worked full time while getting married young and raising a family. Bought my first house when I was 20, no help from anyone.

. If you paid for college, you bought your job. Only when students are paid salaries will business and society get the benefit of people who belong in college. Until then, grads are just bluebloods and brownnoses.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 04:13 PM
Maybe you are in the top 1% in Michigan. Globally you ain't even a player. I would call 400K a year well to do but not rich. But If you have a billion squirreled away somewhere and you still think you need to earn that 400K a year to be a man then you have a demon at the helm.

Nationally the chart that Nic and I posted shows that 400K per year puts you in the top 1% Remember that 1% is over 3.3 million people.

When you hear that the democrats want to raise taxes on the top 10% that gets down into the 125K range.

This is why we must get the facts out.

And still nobody has been about to tell me how me earning a lot of money prevents others from making a lot of money.

The Sage of Main Street
04-21-2015, 04:15 PM
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/26/263bbec66d658ba0d962dc655b429e9c14fe15afcd9e4598db 25ef316d34b0f0.jpgThe defective grammar of Diploma Dumbos is one of the proofs that ​College Education Is a Fraud and Should Not Be Rewarded.

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 04:16 PM
If you paid for college, you bought your job. Only when students are paid salaries will business and society get the benefit of people who belong in college. Until then, grads are just bluebloods and brownnoses.

No actually because he paid for his collage he is likely better than those that go on the government dime.

He had skin in the game. I always ask if they have collage debt if they got grants or mommy paid, it is less impressive to me.

Sage most people will actually work to get things they are not all entitled like you!

The Sage of Main Street
04-21-2015, 04:17 PM
Be careful he will your a Lib and lefty and dem and lib and another lib you to death You forgot "a lib of the liberal persuasion."

Mac-7
04-21-2015, 04:20 PM
If you paid for college, you bought your job. Only when students are paid salaries will business and society get the benefit of people who belong in college. Until then, grads are just bluebloods and brownnoses.

That sounds very socialist.

The Sage of Main Street
04-21-2015, 04:30 PM
Thanks for the education. You are right. I have no idea where the lines are drawn. The line for the plutocratic predatory parasites faces the line for the firing squad.

The Sage of Main Street
04-21-2015, 04:34 PM
Well, he IS to blame....


Cut Taxes For The Wealthy, over 50% of which benefited the richest 5%

Left homeowners hi and dry, but was happy to help out the banks

:grin: But he didn't leave homebuilders high and dry, at least those who were in the loop in that price-gouging cartel.

Polecat
04-21-2015, 04:35 PM
Nationally the chart that Nic and I posted shows that 400K per year puts you in the top 1% Remember that 1% is over 3.3 million people.

When you hear that the democrats want to raise taxes on the top 10% that gets down into the 125K range.

This is why we must get the facts out.

And still nobody has been about to tell me how me earning a lot of money prevents others from making a lot of money.

I completely missed the link. I also was laboring with the impression that the top 1% was a reference to wealth concentration and not the overall population. I thank you for making that distinction clear to me.
You are not the mogul I was thinking of. And your working for your personal goals does not put you in the tyrant basket either. Another question. Is there a goal? At some point in your life will you be able to look around and say, "Yup, I got enough."? This is where I get lost. At what point does financial security morph into a mad desire to dominate?

zelmo1234
04-21-2015, 04:38 PM
I completely missed the link. I also was laboring with the impression that the top 1% was a reference to wealth concentration and not the overall population. I thank you for making that distinction clear to me.
You are not the mogul I was thinking of. And your working for your personal goals does not put you in the tyrant basket either. Another question. Is there a goal? At some point in your life will you be able to look around and say, "Yup, I got enough."? This is where I get lost. At what point does financial security morph into a mad desire to dominate?

I don't know if there are still people living in unsafe run down apartments should I say that I have had enough.

If I have to terminate the 73 people that work for me, soon to be 79 should I say that I have enough, when does that decision become just my decision?

The Sage of Main Street
04-21-2015, 04:45 PM
That sounds very socialist. Thinking that the talented have a duty to sacrifice their youth for others by doing college work without pay is Socialist. A parasite is a parasite whether he is rich or poor. Both need to become extinct species, and the talented should devote their lives to exterminating parasites.

maineman
04-21-2015, 04:45 PM
I've been busy with more important matters.

i have no way of knowing whether you are telling the truth or not.

But the Internet is full of liars so I will not accept any personal claims about yourself.

Just stick to the political issues and save the personal stuff for Facebook.

I'm dreadfully sorry. I am afraid I missed the memorandum that indicated you got to tell me what and what not to post here. Could you provide me a link to that please?

Polecat
04-21-2015, 05:07 PM
I don't know if there are still people living in unsafe run down apartments should I say that I have had enough.

If I have to terminate the 73 people that work for me, soon to be 79 should I say that I have enough, when does that decision become just my decision?
That depends entirely on where you have set your sights. If you really see yourself in this philanthropic light then at some point you are going to need to decide what is to come of your dynasty once you get too old (or dead) to carry on. Will it all fall apart then? Is there an army of long lost relatives to pick over your skeleton? I have never had the opportunity to hob nob with a person in your position so I am 100% curious here and 0% condescending although I realize it sounds like I am trying to sling mud at you. Besides, you are still a young man by current standards and should have decades left and could presumably end up a billionaire if you want. Is that important? We have a millionaire in our family but it was the result of just two people holding down regular jobs and making sound investments and living like every penny mattered. My uncle passed and left my aunt with all that money and she has no need of it. It keeps growing and she keeps buying no name food to save a nickel. So I am genuinely curious about what makes you tick.

The Sage of Main Street
04-22-2015, 12:20 PM
That depends entirely on where you have set your sights. If you really see yourself in this philanthropic light then at some point you are going to need to decide what is to come of your dynasty once you get too old (or dead) to carry on. Will it all fall apart then? Is there an army of long lost relatives to pick over your skeleton? I have never had the opportunity to hob nob with a person in your position so I am 100% curious here and 0% condescending although I realize it sounds like I am trying to sling mud at you. Besides, you are still a young man by current standards and should have decades left and could presumably end up a billionaire if you want. Is that important? We have a millionaire in our family but it was the result of just two people holding down regular jobs and making sound investments and living like every penny mattered. My uncle passed and left my aunt with all that money and she has no need of it. It keeps growing and she keeps buying no name food to save a nickel. So I am genuinely curious about what makes you tick. A guy I went to high school with is a multi-millionaire. I would have predicted that he'd make at the most 150K a year. It's like being told that the same guy played in the NBA, when he was only a starter and not a superstar in highschool.

The point is that I knew the guy well in highschool and could understand him better than I could understand zelmo1234. Even so, I've learned from experience that people with the z-ster's anti-social egomania and Low IQ are incompetents who lucked into positions where even the below-average can make money. Those who run price-fixing cartels adopt flunkies like that. The fake free market puts inferior people in superior positions.

zelmo1234
04-22-2015, 06:13 PM
A guy I went to high school with is a multi-millionaire. I would have predicted that he'd make at the most 150K a year. It's like being told that the same guy played in the NBA, when he was only a starter and not a superstar in highschool.

The point is that I knew the guy well in highschool and could understand him better than I could understand @zelmo1234 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=588). Even so, I've learned from experience that people with the z-ster's anti-social egomania and Low IQ are incompetents who lucked into positions where even the below-average can make money. Those who run price-fixing cartels adopt flunkies like that. The fake free market puts inferior people in superior positions.

I know it is amazing is it not!!!!

So what is your excuse? Other that you are to lazy to work?

And while I am sure you will not answer something to remember

Vanderbilt borrowed money to buy his first boat for shipping when he was 16. Rockefeller started the Standard Oil company at 18 after leaving school when he was 14 to support the family. Carnegie, quit school at age 9 for the same reason.

And they were some of the wealthiest people that ever lived, coming to riches from dire poverty.

You see Sage hard work makes all the difference. and while you pretend to be very intelligent the truth is you desire what others have the ambition to work for and want the government to take it from them and give it to you for only one reason, you feel entitled to it. Nothing more than that.


Construction is one of the most competitive industries in the country. and I have been successful at it, because I was willing to put in the time and effort .

Lazy people feel that they should get a share of it when I die and to that I say Hell NO

MisterVeritis
04-22-2015, 06:25 PM
Yes, of course you do.

You're on the internet. Everyone on the internet has a 6+ digit salary, 130+ IQ and a 7+ inch $#@!.

Everyone knows that.
Wait! You mean everybody doesn't? I definitely have the first. I believe I barely meet the second. And the third? Well, I will politely decline to say (but a part of me really, really wants to post a picture).

MisterVeritis
04-22-2015, 06:26 PM
I'm retired so I don't have a salary. I do have a high IQ, and the other issue is really nothing I care to talk about. I had a great navy career, a lucrative second career in public utilities management, and a very very wealthy father. How did you do it?
For me it was hard work. My father was a non-commissioned officer so we never had much.

MisterVeritis
04-22-2015, 06:29 PM
Makes no difference to me if a person worked their butt off to get their money or their daddy did. Having wealth is not morally bankrupt. Having enough wealth for a 1000 people is morally bankrupt. There is a reasonable limit somewhere as to how much is enough. It needed to be set and enforced a long time ago. It is too late now.
Your thoughts are un-American. The wealthiest among us are wealthy because they provide the things that make our lives better.

MisterVeritis
04-22-2015, 06:31 PM
You ever sit down at the table for dinner and eat all the food before anyone else gets a go at it? Even though you were full 10 plates ago? If you have enough money that you could squander 10 million a week for the rest of your life and still die rich is that not enough? You want more than that!?! Greed is the most reprehensible trait a human can exhibit.
This sounds like envy to me.

Polecat
04-22-2015, 07:36 PM
Your thoughts are un-American. The wealthiest among us are wealthy because they provide the things that make our lives better.


This sounds like envy to me.

The obscenely rich provide nothing I need or want. When they are eventually pulled from from their panic rooms by enraged mobs I will envy them no more than I do now.

zelmo1234
04-22-2015, 07:45 PM
The obscenely rich provide nothing I need or want. When they are eventually pulled from from their panic rooms by enraged mobs I will envy them no more than I do now.

And it will be great because we will then have the same economy that they have in China. I wonder how the people will do with 25 dollars a month.

The rich will laugh last. They did not get rich because people did not want what they are offering. They did things better and faster and the people rewarded them for it

No those that have been told that they deserve everything that everyone else has, just because they exist, are pissed because in real life, everyone does not get a trophy.

The lazy will always envy those that work and succeed. It has been that way since the beginning of time

Polecat
04-22-2015, 08:13 PM
And it will be great because we will then have the same economy that they have in China. I wonder how the people will do with 25 dollars a month.

The rich will laugh last. They did not get rich because people did not want what they are offering. They did things better and faster and the people rewarded them for it

No those that have been told that they deserve everything that everyone else has, just because they exist, are pissed because in real life, everyone does not get a trophy.

The lazy will always envy those that work and succeed. It has been that way since the beginning of time

Don't get so defensive Zel. We have already established you are not obscenely rich. When you can wipe your butt with c-notes and make a thousand dollars a minute just on interest alone then - guess what - I still won't envy you. Not because I think poorly of you but because I don't covet my neighbors things. That is not my way.

Ransom
04-22-2015, 08:25 PM
Republicans are talking like Democrats? Uhhhh....I believe reality the 180 of that statement.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417203/hillary-clinton-surprised-small-businesses-are-struggling-joel-gehrke

hanger4
04-22-2015, 09:11 PM
The obscenely rich provide nothing I need or want. When they are eventually pulled from from their panic rooms by enraged mobs I will envy them no more than I do now.
No puters in your house right ??

No telling what else you've bought from insanely rich people.

zelmo1234
04-22-2015, 09:37 PM
Don't get so defensive Zel. We have already established you are not obscenely rich. When you can wipe your butt with c-notes and make a thousand dollars a minute just on interest alone then - guess what - I still won't envy you. Not because I think poorly of you but because I don't covet my neighbors things. That is not my way.

Well I am not taking it that way I like my discussion with you.

But if you don't covet your neighbors things, then why would you want them destroyed. And we also have proven that I am the 1% that she is talking about.

But the policies that she will put in place will cause the economy to shrink and we start the great recession round 2.

I kind of like being busy.

donttread
04-22-2015, 11:14 PM
All The GOP Candidates are talking about Income Inequality :biglaugh:



Bill O'Reilly: economic unfairness will be the big issue in 2016


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDE2bvSUMAA53LI.png


http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/bill-oreilly-pity-poor-rich-man

http://media.cagle.com/47/2015/04/20/162863_600.jpg

http://assets.amuniversal.com/ef5a6de0ca420132db44005056a9545d.jpg

Their actions have been the same for decades their rhetoric might as well finally match to

Dr. Who
04-22-2015, 11:38 PM
That's not entirely true, I know several individuals that are maxed out on their pension, but still choose to come to work. They are actually losing money (gas, wear and tear on vehicle, etc) by choosing to stay working instead of retiring.
In two years I make that choice. I'll be maxed out, but not at mandatory retirement age, but can retire without any penalty. We'll see. My answer changes daily. Some days I'd like to retire tomorrow.

Safety
04-23-2015, 12:45 AM
In two years I make that choice. I'll be maxed out, but not at mandatory retirement age, but can retire without any penalty. We'll see. My answer changes daily. Some days I'd like to retire tomorrow.

I had a co-worker that was eligible to retire after 30 years in, he said that he would stay unless he had "three bad days".

He never clarified if he meant in a row.

Common
04-23-2015, 02:36 AM
I had a co-worker that was eligible to retire after 30 years in, he said that he would stay unless he had "three bad days".

He never clarified if he meant in a row.

I worked for years after I retired I stopped when I came to fla, I wouldnt even consider working for what they pay in the south

PolWatch
04-23-2015, 08:00 AM
I had to retire early due to physical issues. It worked out well because my husband had wanted to travel with a company and this meant I could travel with him. We laugh when we hear people talk about hating retirement, being bored, etc. I suspect those people had little life outside of their jobs. We have found there are not enough hours in the day to do everything we want to do....just trying to read everything I want is a full time job! :grin:

maineman
04-23-2015, 08:14 AM
By joining the Navy at an early age and staying in, I was able to retire TWICE - once from the Navy and once from private industry. And while I worked in private industry, we were able to basically bank my entire Navy retirement check. We invested wisely and now, we live the dream in Mexico and I know what you are saying PolWatch.... we have more things to do, places to go and people to see than we have time to do it all. It's kind of scary at times when I look at the list of all the places in the world I want to go see with my wife, and realize that I probably don't have enough traveling years left in my life to see them all. We have already shortened our bucket list considerably. I know, for example, that I would love to visit Angkor Wat, but Cambodia is so far away that I will probably not make it there. Retirement is a full-time job with lots of overtime involved, it seems.

The Sage of Main Street
04-23-2015, 10:09 AM
Their actions have been the same for decades their rhetoric might as well finally match to The fact that a lying, spastic-speaking, illogical, and hypocritical loudmouth like Oily O'Reilly can get filthy rich is why he supports other crooks getting it through equally strong-arm sucker-punch means.

Polecat
04-23-2015, 10:29 AM
Well I am not taking it that way I like my discussion with you.

But if you don't covet your neighbors things, then why would you want them destroyed. And we also have proven that I am the 1% that she is talking about.

But the policies that she will put in place will cause the economy to shrink and we start the great recession round 2.

I kind of like being busy.

When my neighbors things are taken unrightfully from others then I see no need to defend their lifestyle. If I found myself financially secure at some point and wanted to continue to work then I would do so as a non profit. I understand that this may be a counter-culture way to think but I have always been this way. My materialistic desires have never been strong enough to motivate me into "carrot on a stick mode".

Ransom
04-23-2015, 11:47 AM
By joining the Navy at an early age and staying in, I was able to retire TWICE - once from the Navy and once from private industry. And while I worked in private industry, we were able to basically bank my entire Navy retirement check. We invested wisely and now, we live the dream in Mexico and I know what you are saying @PolWatch (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1099).... we have more things to do, places to go and people to see than we have time to do it all. It's kind of scary at times when I look at the list of all the places in the world I want to go see with my wife, and realize that I probably don't have enough traveling years left in my life to see them all. We have already shortened our bucket list considerably. I know, for example, that I would love to visit Angkor Wat, but Cambodia is so far away that I will probably not make it there. Retirement is a full-time job with lots of overtime involved, it seems.

Many people who hate their own country go to live in Mexico, so you're not alone.

But we do have enough of an utterly clueless herd so....please remain south of the border, thanks.

maineman
04-23-2015, 11:59 AM
Many people who hate their own country go to live in Mexico, so you're not alone.

But we do have enough of an utterly clueless herd so....please remain south of the border, thanks.

I love my country. I remain registered to vote in Maine, and have voted in every election since moving here. I contribute to the DNC, to individual candidates and to several PACs. I'll undoubtedly move back when grandchildren start coming along, but for now, it is a grand adventure.

zelmo1234
04-23-2015, 12:50 PM
When my neighbors things are taken unrightfully from others then I see no need to defend their lifestyle. If I found myself financially secure at some point and wanted to continue to work then I would do so as a non profit. I understand that this may be a counter-culture way to think but I have always been this way. My materialistic desires have never been strong enough to motivate me into "carrot on a stick mode".

Define unlawfully taken from others does the mean if they like your products like the I phone for example and buy a ton of them and you get rich that you have stolen from the people?

Polecat
04-23-2015, 01:01 PM
Define unlawfully taken from others does the mean if they like your products like the I phone for example and buy a ton of them and you get rich that you have stolen from the people?

As you describe it no. But if the iPhones are being manufactured by slave labor for 10 cents a pop and then sold @ $100 a pop knowing that they have been designed to trick users into continuously subscribing to similarly over priced optional features ..........well now it starts looking like a drug pusher's paradise. Only difference is I can at least respect the drug pusher for not using deception.

zelmo1234
04-23-2015, 01:13 PM
As you describe it no. But if the iPhones are being manufactured by slave labor for 10 cents a pop and then sold @ $100 a pop knowing that they have been designed to trick users into continuously subscribing to similarly over priced optional features ..........well now it starts looking like a drug pusher's paradise. Only difference is I can at least respect the drug pusher for not using deception.

Unfortunately, electronics can't be manufactured in the USA because you can't compete with the imports. people are not going to pay 1200 to 1500 for a phone.

It is fine to hate that fact but you have to come to the reality. Wages, taxations, regulations, energy costs and the value of the dollar decreasing is just too big of an obstacle to overcome. And still remain competitive.

Polecat
04-23-2015, 01:28 PM
Unfortunately, electronics can't be manufactured in the USA because you can't compete with the imports. people are not going to pay 1200 to 1500 for a phone.

It is fine to hate that fact but you have to come to the reality. Wages, taxations, regulations, energy costs and the value of the dollar decreasing is just too big of an obstacle to overcome. And still remain competitive.

This is another area where my thinking might be considered abnormal. I don't see a real need for the things in life we spend the most for. But people have been brainwashed into thinking these things are more essential than they are and make questionable choices. Having the latest iPhone is more important than buying a house or your own groceries?

zelmo1234
04-23-2015, 02:45 PM
This is another area where my thinking might be considered abnormal. I don't see a real need for the things in life we spend the most for. But people have been brainwashed into thinking these things are more essential than they are and make questionable choices. Having the latest iPhone is more important than buying a house or your own groceries?

I can agree that people make stupid choices that is for sure, but I don't like the idea of regulating how people spend the money that they earn.

I think that you can make the case for that if people are on public assistance because the money is not theirs but with freedom you take the good with the bad

MisterVeritis
04-23-2015, 02:46 PM
The obscenely rich provide nothing I need or want. When they are eventually pulled from from their panic rooms by enraged mobs I will envy them no more than I do now.
So you have never purchased anything in your life? I believe you are lying to yourself.

Polecat
04-24-2015, 10:08 AM
So you have never purchased anything in your life? I believe you are lying to yourself.

I believe you are making stuff up and pretending I did it.

MisterVeritis
04-24-2015, 10:16 AM
I believe you are making stuff up and pretending I did it.
You should have just admitted that the only one you are fooling is yourself.

Polecat
04-24-2015, 11:37 AM
No, I'm pretty sure you are the fool in the room.