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Wehrwolfen
04-28-2015, 09:01 PM
‘Tolerant’ Liberals Start Insulting Bruce Jenner When He Says He’s Conservative
By KATHERINE TIMPF
04/28/2015


During his interview with Diane Sawyer that aired on Friday night, Bruce Jenner revealed that he’s questioned his gender identity his whole life, that he’s considered suicide, and that he took hormones for the first time in the 1980s — about 30 years ago and before he decided to marry his most recent wife, Kris Jenner.

But nothing shocked the public quite like his admission that he — gasp! — thinks the Constitution is important!

The subject of politics came up after Sawyer asked him how he felt about Obama being the first president to use the word “transgender” in a speech:

”I will certainly give him credit for that,” Jenner responded.(http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/25/politi...-conservative/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/25/politics/bruce-jenner-diane-sawyer-transgender-lgbt-republican-conservative/)) “But not to get political, I’ve just never been a big fan. I’m kind of more on the conservative side.”

Sawyer then outright asked Jenner whether he’s a Republican, to which he replied:

“Yeah. Is that a bad thing? I believe in the Constitution.”

All hell broke loose:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-4195661089001 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054992/Bruce-Jenner-reveals-Republican-Christian-interview-announcing-transitioning-woman.html#v-4195661089001)

(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...s-conservative (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417543/tolerant-liberals-start-insulting-bruce-jenner-when-he-says-hes-conservative)

According the the Progressive National Socialists you can only be transgender or LGBT by belonging to the National Socialist movement. I find that appalling in that the Left would polarize a person that has beliefs different than theirs while they tout their favorabke attitude toward LGBT and Transgenders. Why would any transgender or LGBT be ostracized for having different political views. Just as the the Progressive National Socialists consider a black person an Uncle Tom if they hold Republican conservative views. The example are many especially for people like Lloyd Marcus, Larry Elder, Herman Cain, Ben Carson, and Clarence Thomas.

gamewell45
04-28-2015, 09:03 PM
‘Tolerant’ Liberals Start Insulting Bruce Jenner When He Says He’s Conservative


By KATHERINE TIMPF
04/28/2015


During his interview with Diane Sawyer that aired on Friday night, Bruce Jenner revealed that he’s questioned his gender identity his whole life, that he’s considered suicide, and that he took hormones for the first time in the 1980s — about 30 years ago and before he decided to marry his most recent wife, Kris Jenner.

But nothing shocked the public quite like his admission that he — gasp! — thinks the Constitution is important!

The subject of politics came up after Sawyer asked him how he felt about Obama being the first president to use the word “transgender” in a speech:

”I will certainly give him credit for that,” Jenner responded.(http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/25/politi...-conservative/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/25/politics/bruce-jenner-diane-sawyer-transgender-lgbt-republican-conservative/)) “But not to get political, I’ve just never been a big fan. I’m kind of more on the conservative side.”

Sawyer then outright asked Jenner whether he’s a Republican, to which he replied:

“Yeah. Is that a bad thing? I believe in the Constitution.”

All hell broke loose:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-4195661089001 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054992/Bruce-Jenner-reveals-Republican-Christian-interview-announcing-transitioning-woman.html#v-4195661089001)

(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...s-conservative (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417543/tolerant-liberals-start-insulting-bruce-jenner-when-he-says-hes-conservative)

According the the Progressive National Socialists you can only be transgender or LGBT by belonging to the National Socialist movement. I find that appalling in that the Left would polarize a person that has beliefs different than theirs while they tout their favorabke attitude toward LGBT and Transgenders. Why would any transgender or LGBT be ostracized for having different political views. Just as the the Progressive National Socialists consider a black person an Uncle Tom if they hold Republican conservative views. The example are many especially for people like Lloyd Marcus, Larry Elder, Herman Cain, Ben Carson, and Clarence Thomas.


I don't think that Diane Sawyer speaks on behalf of liberals in this country; she's just one journalist in a field of many.

Chris
04-28-2015, 09:22 PM
I don't think that Diane Sawyer speaks on behalf of liberals in this country; she's just one journalist in a field of many.

The "All hell broke loose:" is not Swyer but Twitter comments on the story.

del
04-28-2015, 09:24 PM
why would anyone care what bruce jenner thinks about anything?

Green Arrow
04-28-2015, 09:44 PM
Before Bruce Jenner came out as conservative, conservatives everywhere couldn't seem to resist making fun of him.

Now he comes out as conservative, and suddenly he's protected by the bucket carriers.

Chris
04-28-2015, 09:49 PM
Before Bruce Jenner came out as conservative, conservatives everywhere couldn't seem to resist making fun of him.

Now he comes out as conservative, and suddenly he's protected by the bucket carriers.


Oh the ironies of the politics of coming out!

Chris
04-28-2015, 09:55 PM
why would anyone care what bruce jenner thinks about anything?

Why do you care that anyone cares?

http://i.snag.gy/W58eq.jpg

Mr. Right
04-28-2015, 09:56 PM
Before Bruce Jenner came out as conservative, conservatives everywhere couldn't seem to resist making fun of him.

Now he comes out as conservative, and suddenly he's protected by the bucket carriers.


Bigots, bucket carriers.... whatever.

gamewell45
04-28-2015, 09:58 PM
The "All hell broke loose:" is not Swyer but Twitter comments on the story.

Who were these people who made these statements on twitter??? were they journalists or the general population? If they were journalists, how many were a part of the "all hell broke loose" crowd?? From the article, none appeared to be recognized journalists. 5 tweets posted from the public in a conservative forum hardly form an opinion to say that "all hell broke loose".

del
04-28-2015, 09:59 PM
Why do you care that anyone cares?

http://i.snag.gy/W58eq.jpg

i don't

don't hurt yourself trying to keep up

PattyHill
04-28-2015, 10:01 PM
My only problem with his comments is that he implies Democrats aren't for the constitution. That's false.

As Green Arrow points out, it's pretty funny that conservatives are now defending him when before they were mocking him.

Maybe he'll learn who his real friends are over time. But his choice what party to follow.

Chris
04-28-2015, 10:05 PM
Who were these people who made these statements on twitter??? were they journalists or the general population? If they were journalists, how many were a part of the "all hell broke loose" crowd?? From the article, none appeared to be recognized journalists. 5 tweets posted from the public in a conservative forum hardly form an opinion to say that "all hell broke loose".

You'd have to read them to see. But they were generally liberals who wanted to disown then, probably, as Green Arrow points out, couple with cons who suddenly embrace him, like the author of the OP piece.

Chris
04-28-2015, 10:07 PM
My only problem with his comments is that he implies Democrats aren't for the constitution. That's false.

As Green Arrow points out, it's pretty funny that conservatives are now defending him when before they were mocking him.

Maybe he'll learn who his real friends are over time. But his choice what party to follow.


Do Dems believe in the Constitution as is or as they might change it?

Green Arrow
04-28-2015, 10:16 PM
Bigots, bucket carriers.... whatever.

Problem?

Wehrwolfen
04-28-2015, 10:28 PM
I don't think that Diane Sawyer speaks on behalf of liberals in this country; she's just one journalist in a field of many.


I didn't claim that Diane Sawyer castigated Bruce Jenner for saying he's a Republican. I claimed that Progressives have turned upon Jenner and his move toward Transgender because he claims to be a Republican.

Redrose
04-28-2015, 10:41 PM
Before Bruce Jenner came out as conservative, conservatives everywhere couldn't seem to resist making fun of him.

Now he comes out as conservative, and suddenly he's protected by the bucket carriers.


I don't care what his political views are and I don't care what he is doing personally. I do defend his decision purely because I feel living a lie for decades must have been terrible for him. I sympathize with him. Any one of us could face a similar situation in our life with family and extended family. Karma.

Green Arrow
04-28-2015, 11:11 PM
I didn't claim that Diane Sawyer castigated Bruce Jenner for saying he's a Republican. I claimed that Progressives have turned upon Jenner and his move toward Transgender because he claims to be a Republican.

Which is the converse of my point. Many conservatives were against him until he came out as conservative, and then those same people rushed to defend him. Likewise, liberals loved him to death until he came out as conservative, and now they either ignore it like it never happened, or mock him cruelly for it.

It's the sad fruit of the poisoned tree of partisanism that we have planted in our nation.

Common
04-28-2015, 11:53 PM
We had fuzzyslippers and now we have Katherine timf ?

Common
04-28-2015, 11:55 PM
Before Bruce Jenner came out as conservative, conservatives everywhere couldn't seem to resist making fun of him.

Now he comes out as conservative, and suddenly he's protected by the bucket carriers.

He also said hes not gay and has never been with a man but I read a story about bruce jenners true love of many years named Joe. So who the hell knows the truth

PattyHill
04-29-2015, 08:43 AM
Do Dems believe in the Constitution as is or as they might change it?

I suppose it depends on the Democrat. I admit I'd like to change the second amendment. But the constitution has changed a lot since it was first written; it's part of its strength.

My guess is that there are repubs who want to change it- in particular the 14th amendment.

Chris
04-29-2015, 08:45 AM
I suppose it depends on the Democrat. I admit I'd like to change the second amendment. But the constitution has changed a lot since it was first written; it's part of its strength.

My guess is that there are repubs who want to change it- in particular the 14th amendment.


I'm sure the are Reps who do too.

So long as it's by amendment and amendments are coherent with rest of document I'm good with it. It's when judges read into it and create law that things go awry.

PattyHill
04-29-2015, 08:53 AM
Which is the converse of my point. Many conservatives were against him until he came out as conservative, and then those same people rushed to defend him. Likewise, liberals loved him to death until he came out as conservative, and now they either ignore it like it never happened, or mock him cruelly for it.

It's the sad fruit of the poisoned tree of partisanism that we have planted in our nation.

I guess I haven't followed the story closely enough. I didn't even hear he said he was Republican until this thread; and I haven't heard about anyone on either side going overboard until this thread.

Twitterverse has a lot of twits in it. We'd probably be better off as a society if it hadn't been invented. But then again, people will always find some way to be jerks.

Tahuyaman
04-29-2015, 08:54 AM
Before Bruce Jenner came out as conservative, conservatives everywhere couldn't seem to resist making fun of him.

Now he comes out as conservative, and suddenly he's protected by the bucket carriers.


Wrong. Conservatives have not changed their view of him and the current events surrounding him.

The left wingers have just demonstrated that their position on his lifestyle is based on politics and nothing more. As long as the LBGT person is on the left, all is well and fine with them. If he or she isn't a flaming left winger, the insults fly. The same thing applies to the left's view of race.

Liberals are the most bigoted people in America. They prove it every day.

PattyHill
04-29-2015, 09:04 AM
Given the republican/conservative attitude toward transgenders, it is a bit surprising that any transgender would be republican. But Jenner's had a long life with many different experiences, and he/she has had a very hard time coming out; changing his political party might be more than he can handle after changing his gender.

I'm sure if he was on some of the forums I'm on, and heard how conservatives blast transgenders, he might change his mind.

Isn't it nice that we're discussing his political party rather than his gender change?

PolWatch
04-29-2015, 09:38 AM
Given the republican/conservative attitude toward transgenders, it is a bit surprising that any transgender would be republican. But Jenner's had a long life with many different experiences, and he/she has had a very hard time coming out; changing his political party might be more than he can handle after changing his gender.

I'm sure if he was on some of the forums I'm on, and heard how conservatives blast transgenders, he might change his mind.

Isn't it nice that we're discussing his political party rather than his gender change?

yeap....some forums have threads that ran 16+ pages of discussion on his gender change....whodathunkit?

Wehrwolfen
04-29-2015, 03:47 PM
Which is the converse of my point. Many conservatives were against him until he came out as conservative, and then those same people rushed to defend him. Likewise, liberals loved him to death until he came out as conservative, and now they either ignore it like it never happened, or mock him cruelly for it.

It's the sad fruit of the poisoned tree of partisanism that we have planted in our nation.


Please post the factual Op-Ed conservative articles you claim opposing Bruce Jenner. I'm sure we'd all like to see them.

Safety
04-29-2015, 03:53 PM
Given the republican/conservative attitude toward transgenders, it is a bit surprising that any transgender would be republican. But Jenner's had a long life with many different experiences, and he/she has had a very hard time coming out; changing his political party might be more than he can handle after changing his gender.

I'm sure if he was on some of the forums I'm on, and heard how conservatives blast transgenders, he might change his mind.

Isn't it nice that we're discussing his political party rather than his gender change?


Well, it would be interesting if he was posting here to find out how many of his posts would end up in a different sub-forum, I wonder if then he would have a change of heart....

Green Arrow
04-29-2015, 07:24 PM
Please post the factual Op-Ed conservative articles you claim opposing Bruce Jenner. I'm sure we'd all like to see them.

I don't recall saying there were factual op-ed conservative articles opposing Jenner. I'm pretty sure I just said "conservatives."

Wehrwolfen
04-29-2015, 11:16 PM
I don't recall saying there were factual op-ed conservative articles opposing Jenner. I'm pretty sure I just said "conservatives."

Therefore, if you are accusing 'conservatives' surely you should have factual material confirming your statement. Unless, you are just passing wind in that direction hoping someone will nod in agreement without proof of the matter. BTW I didn't say you had proof, I was asking you to back up your statement, which of course you have NOT.

Tahuyaman
04-29-2015, 11:21 PM
Which is the converse of my point. Many conservatives were against him until he came out as conservative, and then those same people rushed to defend him. Likewise, liberals loved him to death until he came out as conservative, and now they either ignore it like it never happened, or mock him cruelly for it.

It's the sad fruit of the poisoned tree of partisanism that we have planted in our nation.

I don't believe these conservatives you mentioned exist except in your own mind.

Tahuyaman
04-30-2015, 09:35 AM
I wonder when we'll get to see this long list of conservatives who went after Bruce Jenner prior to his "coming out" as a conservative?

Common Sense
04-30-2015, 09:36 AM
I'd still like to know how the OP thinks those attacking Jenner are liberals. Why? Because they're on twitter?

Cigar
04-30-2015, 09:41 AM
I'd still like to know how the OP thinks those attacking Jenner are liberals. Why? Because they're on twitter?

I'm a Tolerant Liberal Progressive and I never got the memo that I'm Insulting their Conservative Buddy by Ignoring the Story :laugh:

Tahuyaman
04-30-2015, 01:34 PM
I'm a Tolerant Liberal Progressive and I never got the memo that I'm Insulting their Conservative Buddy by Ignoring the Story :laugh:

Actually, that comment is quite telling. The left was lining up to make Bruce Jenner a hero for the so called LGBT movement. Now they are just going to ignore him. He doesn't mesh with their confined views.

Chris
04-30-2015, 02:07 PM
I'd still like to know how the OP thinks those attacking Jenner are liberals. Why? Because they're on twitter?

Read the twits or twitters or tweets or whatever they're called.

Chris
04-30-2015, 02:09 PM
I'm a Tolerant Liberal Progressive and I never got the memo that I'm Insulting their Conservative Buddy by Ignoring the Story :laugh:



Memo
From: Intolerant Liberal Progressives (ILP)
To: Cigar
Date: 04/30/2015
Re: Jenner

You're insulting.

texan
04-30-2015, 04:43 PM
I am hearing that the Homo's are pressuring the admin on the Iran deal because of their treatment on gays. So we want a deal to stop bad guys getting a very dangerous bomb and they put their stupid little gay selves first?

If this is the case it would speak volumes.

Green Arrow
04-30-2015, 04:45 PM
I am hearing that the Homo's are pressuring the admin on the Iran deal because of their treatment on gays. So we want a deal to stop bad guys getting a very dangerous bomb and they put their stupid little gay selves first?

If this is the case it would speak volumes.

Are you fucking serious?

Mr. Right
04-30-2015, 04:52 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mr. Righthttp://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1067973#post1067973)Bigots, bucket carriers.... whatever.


Problem?

Bigot is just a "go to" word for someone with a vastly different opinion than yours. I dislike the word because like the word "racist", it's been so overcooked that it's unrecognizable in the form in which it's used today.
As for "Bucket Carriers", there are bucket carriers for each and every side. I think Marx or Lenin called them 'useful idiots'.

PolWatch
04-30-2015, 04:54 PM
I am hearing that the Homo's are pressuring the admin on the Iran deal because of their treatment on gays. So we want a deal to stop bad guys getting a very dangerous bomb and they put their stupid little gay selves first?

If this is the case it would speak volumes.

I suspect this is akin to the rumor that its all a conspiracy of the gays to destroy the Christian church. Tin foil cap time...

Mr. Right
04-30-2015, 05:00 PM
I suppose it depends on the Democrat. I admit I'd like to change the second amendment. But the constitution has changed a lot since it was first written; it's part of its strength.

My guess is that there are repubs who want to change it- in particular the 14th amendment.


I wouldn't know what a republican wants, but no conservative known to myself wants the 14th Amendment altered. Where did you get that?

Tahuyaman
04-30-2015, 05:08 PM
I wouldn't know what a republican wants, but no conservative known to myself wants the 14th Amendment altered. Where did you get that?


I I don't know where these liberals come up with this stuff. I guess they just believe in throwing a whole bunch of shit against the wall and see what people actually respond to. Then claim that which went ignored is meaningful.

Green Arrow
04-30-2015, 05:09 PM
Bigot is just a "go to" word for someone with a vastly different opinion than yours. I dislike the word because like the word "racist", it's been so overcooked that it's unrecognizable in the form in which it's used today.
As for "Bucket Carriers", there are bucket carriers for each and every side. I think Marx or Lenin called them 'useful idiots'.

I'm not sure if you mean me specifically when you say "yours," but I use the word based on what Merriam-Webster says it means. Meaning that when I use it, "bigot" is not a go-to word for someone with a vastly different opinion than mine.

Personally, I think there are bigots and bucket carriers in every ideology.

PattyHill
04-30-2015, 05:25 PM
I am hearing that the Homo's are pressuring the admin on the Iran deal because of their treatment on gays. So we want a deal to stop bad guys getting a very dangerous bomb and they put their stupid little gay selves first?

If this is the case it would speak volumes.


Because of course no one else is pressuring the administration to tie more things into the deal... like republicans....<eye roll>

and waaaaaay off topic

PattyHill
04-30-2015, 05:26 PM
I wouldn't know what a republican wants, but no conservative known to myself wants the 14th Amendment altered. Where did you get that?


You certainly don't seem to want to see it applied to LGBTs, for example.

Green Arrow
04-30-2015, 05:49 PM
You certainly don't seem to want to see it applied to LGBTs, for example.

Is Mr. Right opposed to LGBT rights?

Mr. Right
04-30-2015, 08:28 PM
You certainly don't seem to want to see it applied to LGBTs, for example.

Are any of them in chains? Are they enslaved?

Mr. Right
04-30-2015, 08:29 PM
Is @Mr. Right (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=984) opposed to LGBT rights?

What exactly is LGBT "rights"? Do they not already have rights?

PattyHill
04-30-2015, 08:32 PM
What exactly is LGBT "rights"? Do they not already have rights?

Not as many as straights. and of course this is totally off topic. To be expected from those who have no other argument.

Mr. Right
04-30-2015, 08:35 PM
Not as many as straights. and of course this is totally off topic. To be expected from those who have no other argument.

oh, you mean "special" rights? Be specific. If they're U.S. citizens, they have every right I have. Distort and spin away.

PattyHill
05-01-2015, 08:10 AM
oh, you mean "special" rights? Be specific. If they're U.S. citizens, they have every right I have. Distort and spin away.


They don't if they can't get married. But I'm not going to list all 1000+ rights they are denied here.

http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/an-overview-of-federal-rights-and-protections-granted-to-married-couples