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Howey
05-01-2015, 03:17 PM
Ted Cruz blames Obama for the 2008 crash.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/ted-cruz-uses-george-w-bush-to-accuse-barack-obama-of-being-jimmy-carter/


Speaking at an event hosted by the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) linked the economic policies of President Obama with those of the much-maligned Jimmy Carter. "Historically, the economy has grown 3.3 percent a year since World War II," he said. "There are only two four-year periods where growth averaged less than 1 percent: 1978 to 1982, coming out of the Jimmy Carter administration, and 2008 to 2012. Same failed economic policies."

If you didn't catch it, Cruz employed a nifty little bit of rhetorical spin there. What he's actually comparing isn't Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. It's Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush.

Let's look at the first number: that 3.3 percent. Data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis puts the average at 3.2 percent since 1947. Close enough. The annual data look like this.

We've highlighted the two periods Cruz mentioned. They're five-year periods, really, but we assume he means the change from 1978 to 1979, the change from 1979 to 1980, 1980 to 1981 and 1981 to 1982. So it's four bars on the right in each block of years.

Do you see what Cruz did? Let's walk through it.

The average prior-year change from 1979 to 1982 was 0.9 percent -- less than 1 percent. From 2009 to 2012, it was 0.9, same thing. But those averages are lower because each group of years had especially slow spots. In the first bunch, it was 1980 and 1982. In the second, it was the dumpster fire that was 2009.

Cruz waves away 1982, the second year of Ronald Reagan's first term, by saying that the economy was "coming out of the Carter administration." So what was it doing in 2009, if not "coming out of the Bush administration?" Either 1982 was Reagan's fault and 2009 was Obama's, or 1982 was Carter's fault and 2009 was Bush's. You can't have it both ways.

But we can settle that dispute. Blaming Obama's economic policies for the drop in 2009 -- the second-straight downward trending year, the second year of the recession and the earliest days off the Obama administration -- is ludicrous on the face of it.

texan
05-01-2015, 03:57 PM
Well it was the democrats that raised hell when the Bush admin warned them 5 times about the issue between 2003 and 2008. For some reason many african american congressmen and women lashed out at the admin for even bringing it up shouting them down in hearings.

The world didn't start when you started paying attention Howey. Not that you are paying attention now since Paul doesn't reject Climate Change science. But don;t let the facts get into your way.

Carry on.


February 12, 2015 Rand Paul is making a climate-change calculation that could cost him.
The senator from Kentucky and would-be 2016 contender has bucked the GOP establishment on an array of issues ranging from national security to drug policy. And in recent months, Paul has started to build a record suggesting that he supports action to cut air pollution and believes that man-made greenhouse-gas emissions are contributing to climate change.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/twenty-sixteen/rand-paul-s-risky-bet-on-climate-change-20150212

Howey
05-01-2015, 05:17 PM
Well it was the democrats that raised hell when the Bush admin warned them 5 times about the issue between 2003 and 2008. For some reason many african american congressmen and women lashed out at the admin for even bringing it up shouting them down in hearings.

The world didn't start when you started paying attention Howey. Not that you are paying attention now since Paul doesn't reject Climate Change science. But don;t let the facts get into your way.

Carry on.


February 12, 2015 Rand Paul is making a climate-change calculation that could cost him.
The senator from Kentucky and would-be 2016 contender has bucked the GOP establishment on an array of issues ranging from national security to drug policy. And in recent months, Paul has started to build a record suggesting that he supports action to cut air pollution and believes that man-made greenhouse-gas emissions are contributing to climate change.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/twenty-sixteen/rand-paul-s-risky-bet-on-climate-change-20150212

Rand Paul promised a "healthy debate" on climate change, not that he supports the theory.

His record speaks for itself.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/rand-paul-has-voted-against-clean-air-100-percent-time

Unfortunately, once elected, Sen. Paul didn't see the light. He's continued to advocate for big business and dirty energy at the expense of regular folks. Sen. Paul earned the title of "dirty-air villain" for voting against clean air 100 percent of the time in our WhoVotesDirty.com vote tracker. Among his worst votes, he voted to attack EPA's Clean Power Plan, to block cuts in mercury pollution, and to block standards for dirty boilers and incinerators.

Paul hasn't just been a loyal foot soldier, voting in lockstep with the dirty-energy industry that has funded his campaigns to the tune of $235,890. He's been a leader of dangerous efforts to roll back long-overdue clean-air protections, and of efforts to permanently hamstring the government agencies that set standards to protect public health and the environment.

Peter1469
05-01-2015, 05:18 PM
Paul hasn't fallen for the scam that is the global warning industry. So he must be vilified.

donttread
05-01-2015, 05:43 PM
Ted Cruz blames Obama for the 2008 crash.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/ted-cruz-uses-george-w-bush-to-accuse-barack-obama-of-being-jimmy-carter/

Gotta admit that's a bit of a stretch right there. The FED caused the 2008 crash, with the full knowledge and approval of the government .
1) Why? By pushing the RE market way beyond it's real value to distract from economic failings caused by loss of manufacturing and war
2) How? The FED continued to cut interest rates into the teeth of a housing boom that had vastly over valued RE . In housing we called that a "boom" . However at the grocery store, gas pump or mall we call the same thing out of control inflation. Before getting into human services I had a Associates in business with exactly one economics course to my credit and I PREDICTED the crash. Certainly Washington, "K" street and Wall street all knew as well.

Mac-7
05-01-2015, 05:57 PM
Ted Cruz blames Obama for the 2008 crash.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/ted-cruz-uses-george-w-bush-to-accuse-barack-obama-of-being-jimmy-carter/

Thats impressive.

No one cuts a pastes other people's thoughts as good as you do.