If we knew what we knew today

[texan]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?

[Bo-4]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?

Are you trying to equate this with Baby Bushie's tortured answers about Iraq?

[Cigar]

Are you trying to equate this with Baby Bushie's tortured answers about Iraq?

... and Marco Rubio doubling down on denial ... they can't help it, it's in their DNA

[texan]

You dems not gonna answer like usual? Gonna keep posting other questions about Bullshit? I would authorize the water-boarding to save lives what would you do? Post a bunch of fing questions instead of making a call one way or the other?

[hanger4]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?
Tokyo .... prob not. The attack fleet ..... without a doubt. With most attention paid to the Aircraft Carriers.

[exotix]

(How to dessiminate) Known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns
https://poststatus.com/known-knowns-known-unknowns-and-unknown-unknowns/



http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-there-are-known-knowns-these-are-things-we-know-that-we-know-there-are-known-unknowns-that-is-to-donald-rumsfeld-160005.jpg

[texan]

You dems not gonna answer like usual? Gonna keep posting other questions about Bullshit? I would authorize the water-boarding to save lives what would you do? Post a bunch of fing questions instead of making a call one way or the other?

Maybe you just do not like hypothetical's or answer them?

[Susan B. Anthony]

Agree or disagree with his position, Jebster should have held his ground. All the stuttering about what he meant to say makes me want to vomit.

[Bo-4]

Oh Rummy.

:rofl:

[Chloe]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?

probably not, no. Many historians believe that without that attack the country probably wouldn't have come together as it did to defend itself. Attacking first would have probably polarized the country in my opinion.

[texan]

Still no answer from any liberal on the primary question in this thread.

[Chloe]

Still no answer from any liberal on the primary question in this thread.

I did

[exotix]

Still no answer from any liberal on the primary question in this thread.
Doolitle did bomb Tokyo.

[Chloe]

Doolitle did bomb Tokyo.

after pearly harbor, but yes.

[exotix]

after pearly harbor, but yes.
And after an Oil Embargo ... much like Iraq Sanctions.

[Tahuyaman]

(How to dessiminate) Known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns


https://poststatus.com/known-knowns-known-unknowns-and-unknown-unknowns/



http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-there-are-known-knowns-these-are-things-we-know-that-we-know-there-are-known-unknowns-that-is-to-donald-rumsfeld-160005.jpg

and there are things that you don't know, but don't know that you don't know.

[Tahuyaman]

Asking if a decision made years ago based on information not known until years later is freaking dumb. Instead, one should be asking to identify past mistakes and what ahould be done now to correct those mistakes

[domer76]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?

Another nonsensical "if/would" piece of bullshit. Why can't you deal with reality rather than concoct absurd 'what if' scenarios?

[Polecat]

A strike on Tokyo would have been pointless. Meeting the Japanese fleet before they were in range of the islands would have been the obvious counter measure.

[Susan B. Anthony]

Another nonsensical "if/would" piece of bull$#@!. Why can't you deal with reality rather than concoct absurd 'what if' scenarios?

If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq the US wouldn't be in this situation right now lol.

[Bo-4]

Another nonsensical "if/would" piece of bullshit. Why can't you deal with reality rather than concoct absurd 'what if' scenarios?

Hey domer, did you catch the latest idiocy from Idaho's pride and joy -- Sharon Nuxoll?

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44691-ANOTHER-international-agreement-that-has-stirred-the-ire-of-the-right

[Tahuyaman]

Another nonsensical "if/would" piece of bull$#@!. Why can't you deal with reality rather than concoct absurd 'what if' scenarios?


And the the reality now is that we know things today that we did not know in 2003. Commenting on how we should have done something based on things we know now, but did not when the decisions were made is simply idiotic second guessing.

[Polecat]

Asking if a decision made years ago based on information not known until years later is freaking dumb. Instead, one should be asking to identify past mistakes and what ahould be done now to correct those mistakes

Not when you are exploring peoples thoughts on a historical situation. And past mistakes have been made and may not be corrected. The solution is to not repeat them.

[The Sage of Main Street]

A strike on Tokyo would have been pointless. Meeting the Japanese fleet before they were in range of the islands would have been the obvious counter measure. FDR sent the aircraft carriers out of Pearl Harbor in order to shadow the Japanese fleet heading for an invasion of Southeast Asia. He hoped that the Japanese admiral would get jumpy and attack first. If he knew about the fleet heading for Pearl Harbor at all, he thought it would abort that mission and go help out the Southeast Asian fleet.

[Tahuyaman]

Not when you are exploring peoples thoughts on a historical situation. And past mistakes have been made and may not be corrected. The solution is to not repeat them.


Thats why you should be asking them to identify the mistakes made in the past and how one would correct those mistakes today.

Asking if a president should make his decisions based on information which is unknown and won't be known for over a decade is dumb.

[Polecat]

Thats why you should be asking them to identify the mistakes made in the past and how one would correct those mistakes today.

Asking if a president should make his decisions based on information which is unknown and won't be known for over a decade is dumb.

If you can't engage in a thought experiment then I can see how it might seem like a stupid question. I thought it was sort of a "what would you have done?" sort of question. Maybe it was an attempt to make a subversive statement and I just missed it.

[Tahuyaman]

Hey domer, did you catch the latest idiocy from Idaho's pride and joy -- Sharon Nuxoll?

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44691-ANOTHER-international-agreement-that-has-stirred-the-ire-of-the-right

why do liberals always believe that all proposed new laws, treaties or actions by government are always needed or a good thing?

[exotix]

and there are things that you don't know, but don't know that you don't know.
Correct, Bush & Cheney knew Saddam attacked us on 9/11, was Bin Ladens' buddy and had WMD's in the form of a Mushroom Cloud.

[Bo-4]

why do liberals always believe that all proposed new laws, treaties or actions by government are always needed or a good thing?

You would like Idaho.

[domer76]

Hey domer, did you catch the latest idiocy from Idaho's pride and joy -- Sharon Nuxoll?

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44691-ANOTHER-international-agreement-that-has-stirred-the-ire-of-the-right

The Republicans have more than their fair share of fruitcakes in our legislature, but Nuxoll is pretty much at the top of the list. I can't recall where she is from, but I'd guess northern Idaho. That's where the real crazies are from.

[Tahuyaman]

Correct, Bush & Cheney knew Saddam attacked us on 9/11, was Bin Ladens' buddy and had WMD's in the form of a Mushroom Cloud.


And then hen when you don't know something, you just make it up out of thin air.

[domer76]

If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq the US wouldn't be in this situation right now lol.

That's true. And we have tens of thousands of our own as casualties. Actually more. But I certainly have never posed the question "if you knew that we would be in a fucked up situation if....".

[Polecat]

Without facts we are only left with suppositions. Pick some and run.

[Tahuyaman]

If you can't engage in a thought experiment then I can see how it might seem like a stupid question. I thought it was sort of a "what would you have done?" sort of question. Maybe it was an attempt to make a subversive statement and I just missed it.

The experiment should be to identify the actual past mistakes and then tell us how you think those mistakes can be corrected, if at all.

Questions pertaining to what would you have done considering information that was not going to be known for decades is just fodder for the second guessers.

[Polecat]

The experiment should be to identify the actual past mistakes and then tell us how you think those mistakes can be corrected, if at all.

Questions pertaining to what would you have done considering information that was not going to be known for decades is just fodder for the second guessers.

Well that sort of excludes us. We are not in the loop. There are no facts available that I am aware of to mull over and pick apart. The guess is as good as it gets down here.

[Tahuyaman]

You would like Idaho.


I do. I would move there if it was a coastal state

[Tahuyaman]

Well that sort of excludes us. We are not in the loop. There are no facts available that I am aware of to mull over and pick apart. The guess is as good as it gets down here.

Are you saying that you have no additional information today that you did not have a decade ago?

I believe any informed person has the ability to identify past mistakes. Not everyone has the ability to develop a plan to effectively correct those mistakes.

[Tahuyaman]

One thing is an absolute here. You'd never catch a liberal journalist asking a Democrat candidate a question designed to create an argument over a position like Wallace did with Rubio.

Personally, if I was a candidate and got a question like that, I'd tell him to ask a serious question designed to get a serious response and you'll get a serious response.

[Polecat]

Are you saying that you have no additional information today that you did not have a decade ago?

I believe any informed person has the ability to identify past mistakes. Not everyone has the ability to develop a plan to effectively correct those mistakes.

Are you saying you believe the crap you hear and read from our media/government sources? I can't in good faith trust any of the information that is available to be factual. I'm convinced most of it is fabricated specifically to keep voters divided.

[maineman]

We knew before we invaded that Saddam had ZERO to do with 9/11, and we knew within a few months of getting there that Team Bush's assurances of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's were lies.

Is the world a marginally better place without Saddam in it? Perhaps. He was a total prick and a mean and nasty man, that's for sure, but, unfortunately, the world is FULL of such men and many of them rise to power over their countrymen. Was ridding the world of Saddam worth nearly 40K US casualties, $1Trillion? I would say, definitely not. I am glad we didn't waste that kind of blood and treasure trying to get rid of Pol Pot or Idi Amin, as bad as THEY were.

[Bo-4]

The Republicans have more than their fair share of fruitcakes in our legislature, but Nuxoll is pretty much at the top of the list. I can't recall where she is from, but I'd guess northern Idaho. That's where the real crazies are from.

Yep, Cottonwood is just south of Lewiston. Remember when she compared health care to the Holocaust? Here she is with a kindred spirited idiot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/sheryl-nuxoll-idaho-gop-state-senator-compares-obamacare-to-holocaust_n_2591351.html

[Tahuyaman]

Are you saying you believe the crap you hear and read from our media/government sources? I can't in good faith trust any of the information that is available to be factual. I'm convinced most of it is fabricated specifically to keep voters divided.


I think we discover things we did not previously know all the time. Well, most of us do anyway. Some aren't interested in knowing anything which may challenge their existing views. I know of a couple of personalities here that fit that mold

[Bo-4]

We knew before we invaded that Saddam had ZERO to do with 9/11, and we knew within a few months of getting there that Team Bush's assurances of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's were lies.

Is the world a marginally better place without Saddam in it? Perhaps. He was a total prick and a mean and nasty man, that's for sure, but, unfortunately, the world is FULL of such men and many of them rise to power over their countrymen. Was ridding the world of Saddam worth nearly 40K US casualties, $1Trillion? I would say, definitely not. I am glad we didn't waste that kind of blood and treasure trying to get rid of Pol Pot or Idi Amin, as bad as THEY were.

Yep, Poppy warned Junior about invading Iraq.

He was smart enough to know that the whole thing would unravel with so many sectarian differences.

Sadly, Boy Blunder "listened to a Higher Father".

[Tahuyaman]

The Republicans have more than their fair share of fruitcakes in our legislature, but Nuxoll is pretty much at the top of the list. I can't recall where she is from, but I'd guess northern Idaho. That's where the real crazies are from.

How does she compare to Maxine Watters, Cynthia McKinney, Major Owens or the idiot who thought Guam was going to capsize?

[donttread]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?

No I'd of just prepared and defended Pearl Harbor

[Cigar]

Doolitle did bomb Tokyo.

He wouldn't recognize reality even if it slapped the shit out of him.

[southwest88]

Would you have preempted the Pearl Harbor attack by attacking Tokyo the week before?

No, the militarist gov. of Japan would have likely welcomed disgracing the Imperial government - it was the only brake on their military ambitions that they had to pay attention to. No, to strike effectively - it would have been best to strike @ the IJN task forces that attacked Pearl Harbor & Philippines before they struck, but after they were clearly in attack positions. Otherwise, you risk provoking criticism from the World on the basis of pre-emptive attack.

[domer76]

One thing is an absolute here. You'd never catch a liberal journalist asking a Democrat candidate a question designed to create an argument over a position like Wallace did with Rubio.

Personally, if I was a candidate and got a question like that, I'd tell him to ask a serious question designed to get a serious response and you'll get a serious response.
Or even a Democratic candidate

[domer76]

I think we discover things we did not previously know all the time. Well, most of us do anyway. Some aren't interested in knowing anything which may challenge their existing views. I know of a couple of personalities here that fit that mold

My existing view is that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor and we nuked them 4 years later. The OP is suppositional bullshit and not a challenge to any views.

[Susan B. Anthony]

My existing view is that the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor and we nuked them 4 years later. The OP is suppositional bull$#@! and not a challenge to any views.

It's time to change your view. No one has ever nuked Japan.

[Mac-7]

... and Marco Rubio doubling down on denial ... they can't help it, it's in their DNA

Rubio handled the fake journalist on Fox News Sunday quite well.

[maineman]

It's time to change your view. No one has ever nuked Japan.

I am really curious as to why you would say that. Are you suggesting that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not nuclear weapons?

[Susan B. Anthony]

I am really curious as to why you would say that. Are you suggesting that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not nuclear weapons?

They were atomic weapons. Nuclear weapons had yet to be developed at the time.

[domer76]

They were atomic weapons. Nuclear weapons had yet to be developed at the time.

Jesus Christ........

[Susan B. Anthony]

Jesus Christ........

I guess we could call them fire sticks that go boom lol.

[southwest88]

They were atomic weapons. Nuclear weapons had yet to be developed at the time.

Um - the terminology is pretty sloppy. But they're both describing nuclear weapons - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

"Nuclear weapon

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"A-bomb" redirects here. For other uses, see A-bomb (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-bomb_(disambiguation)).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Nagasakibomb.jpg/330px-Nagasakibomb.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nagasakibomb.jpg)
The mushroom cloud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud) of the atomic bombing of the Japanese city of Nagasaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) on August 9, 1945 rose some 11 miles (18 km) above the bomb's hypocenter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocenter).




Nuclear weapons


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg/255px-Fat_man.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_man.jpg)


Background




History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons)
Warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare)
Arms race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race)
Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design)
Testing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_testing)
Ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_ethics)
Effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions)
Delivery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_delivery)
Espionage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_espionage)
Proliferation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)
Arsenals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons)
Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_terrorism)
Opposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement)




Nuclear-armed states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)


NPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons) recognized
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Others
India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel) (undeclared) Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)




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Weapons of mass destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction)


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By type




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Chemical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon)
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By country




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Algeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Bulgaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Burma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Saudi_Arabia)
South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
South Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_research_programs)
Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_nuclear_programme)
Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Taiwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine)
United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)




Proliferation




Chemical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon_proliferation)
Nuclear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)
Missiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_by_country)




Treaties




List of treaties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_mass_destruction_treaties)






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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Folder_Hexagonal_Icon.svg/24px-Folder_Hexagonal_Icon.svg.png Category (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Weapons_of_mass_destruction)








"A nuclear weapon is an explosive device that derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reaction), either fission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission) (fission bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_bomb)) or a combination of fission and fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) (thermonuclear weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon)). Both reactions release vast quantities of energy from relatively small amounts of matter. The first fission ("atomic") bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon#Fission_weapons) test released the same amount of energy as approximately 20,000 tons of TNT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) (see Trinity (nuclear test) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test))). The first thermonuclear ("hydrogen") bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon) test released the same amount of energy as approximately 10,000,000 tons of TNT.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon#cite_note-1)"

For clarity's sake, it would be better to refer to fission or fusion weapons, but the language is already pretty much set. Civilians & the mass media tend not to distinguish between the two - the destructive power of either one is certainly sufficient.

[Susan B. Anthony]

Um - the terminology is pretty sloppy. But they're both describing nuclear weapons - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

"Nuclear weapon

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"A-bomb" redirects here. For other uses, see A-bomb (disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-bomb_(disambiguation)).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Nagasakibomb.jpg/330px-Nagasakibomb.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nagasakibomb.jpg)
The mushroom cloud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_cloud) of the atomic bombing of the Japanese city of Nagasaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) on August 9, 1945 rose some 11 miles (18 km) above the bomb's hypocenter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocenter).




Nuclear weapons


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg/255px-Fat_man.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_man.jpg)


Background




History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons)
Warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare)
Arms race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race)
Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design)
Testing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_testing)
Ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_ethics)
Effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions)
Delivery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_delivery)
Espionage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_espionage)
Proliferation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)
Arsenals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons)
Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_terrorism)
Opposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement)




Nuclear-armed states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)


NPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons) recognized
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Others
India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel) (undeclared) Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)




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Weapons of mass destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction)


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Chemical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon)
Nuclear
Radiological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiological_weapon)




By country




Albania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Algeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Bulgaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Burma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Romania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Saudi_Arabia)
South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
South Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_nuclear_research_programs)
Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_nuclear_programme)
Sweden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Taiwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine)
United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)




Proliferation




Chemical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon_proliferation)
Nuclear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)
Missiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_by_country)




Treaties




List of treaties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_mass_destruction_treaties)






http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_book_class2.svg/23px-Symbol_book_class2.svg.png Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Weapons_of_mass_destruction)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/Folder_Hexagonal_Icon.svg/24px-Folder_Hexagonal_Icon.svg.png Category (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Weapons_of_mass_destruction)








"A nuclear weapon is an explosive device that derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reaction), either fission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission) (fission bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_bomb)) or a combination of fission and fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) (thermonuclear weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon)). Both reactions release vast quantities of energy from relatively small amounts of matter. The first fission ("atomic") bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon#Fission_weapons) test released the same amount of energy as approximately 20,000 tons of TNT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) (see Trinity (nuclear test) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test))). The first thermonuclear ("hydrogen") bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon) test released the same amount of energy as approximately 10,000,000 tons of TNT.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon#cite_note-1)"

For clarity's sake, it would be better to refer to fission or fusion weapons, but the language is already pretty much set. Civilians & the mass media tend not to distinguish between the two - the destructive power of either one is certainly sufficient.

Wanna play dueling Wiki pages, eh? lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

[southwest88]

No, I'm good with what I've noted. If you look @ the photo under Nuclear Weapons in the Wiki article, what you see there is a photo of the Fat Man weapon, dropped on Nagasaki in WWII.

Yah, thermonuclear weapons were developed after the fission weapon - because you need a fission weapon in order to trigger the fusion part of the weapon. Popular culture doesn't distinguish between the various types of nuclear weapons. I don't know why - thermonuclear weapons tend to have much larger yields than fission weapons.

[Safety]

Jesus Christ........

Yep, brought to you by the same people who bitched when Obama said we didn't use bayonets anymore....


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[Safety]

No, I'm good with what I've noted. if you look @ the photo under Nuclear Weapons in the Wiki article, what you see there is a photo of the Fat Man weapon, dropped on Nagasaki in WWII.

Yah, thermonuclear weapons were developed after the fission weapon - because you need a fission weapon in order to trigger the fusion part of the weapon. Popular culture doesn't distinguish between the various types of nuclear weapons. I'm not sure why - thermonuclear weapons tend to have much larger yields than fission weapons.

Atomic weapons is a good term to use, because some people don't know how to pronounce nuclear...


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[Mac-7]

Atomic weapons is a good term to use, because some people don't know how to pronounce nuclear...



Was that before or after he mispronounced Navy "corpsman?"

[Susan B. Anthony]

No, I'm good with what I've noted. If you look @ the photo under Nuclear Weapons in the Wiki article, what you see there is a photo of the Fat Man weapon, dropped on Nagasaki in WWII.

Yah, thermonuclear weapons were developed after the fission weapon - because you need a fission weapon in order to trigger the fusion part of the weapon. Popular culture doesn't distinguish between the various types of nuclear weapons. I don't know why - thermonuclear weapons tend to have much larger yields than fission weapons.

Google "Nuclear bomb dropped on Nagasaki" and get back to us. :)

[Safety]

Was that before or after he mispronounced Navy "corpsman?"

Probably after, but then I would love to see how many knew the correct pronunciation before Fox told you.


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[GRUMPY]

not sure why anyone would run from taking out saddam....the intel was correct, he was serially violating the terms of the gulf war armistice and he allowed terrorist safehaven within his country....bush should be lambasted for the small imprint strategy which was based upon a total misunderstanding of the people comprising what we generally call the middle east, allowing the bush lied lie to flourish and being cowed by the dem party and media this preventing him from dealing with iran on his watch....

[Bo-4]

Jesus Christ........

Pay little attention, or SBA will send Snoop Dogg or Jay Z by to kick your ass.

;-)

[Susan B. Anthony]

Pay little attention, or SBA will send Snoop Dogg or Jay Z by to kick your ass.

;-)
Why would you say that? I've never met Jay Z. :)

[Bob]

not sure why anyone would run from taking out saddam....the intel was correct, he was serially violating the terms of the gulf war armistice and he allowed terrorist safehaven within his country....bush should be lambasted for the small imprint strategy which was based upon a total misunderstanding of the people comprising what we generally call the middle east, allowing the bush lied lie to flourish and being cowed by the dem party and media this preventing him from dealing with iran on his watch....

As can be easily seen, the Obama way sure is not working.

[Tahuyaman]

It's time to change your view. No one has ever nuked Japan.


Some Japanese people may disagree with you on that. Specifically the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Mac-7]

Probably after, but then I would love to see how many knew the correct pronunciation before Fox told you.




Everyone I know.

But most of my acquaintances are white conservative christians who respect the military.

[Susan B. Anthony]

Some Japanese people may disagree with you on that. Specifically the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44694-If-we-knew-what-we-knew-today?p=1097984&viewfull=1#post1097984

[Tahuyaman]

I'm trying to figure out why the media is so concerned with what Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and other Republican candidates think about the invasion of Iraq. After all, none of them were a senator, or elected official who had any input. None of them were the Secretary of State who was responsible for applying the administration's policies.

why don't they ask Hillary Clinton what she would do now, or have her explain her votes and actions pertaining to Iraq?

[Tahuyaman]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44694-If-we-knew-what-we-knew-today?p=1097984&viewfull=1#post1097984


The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in fact atomic bombs. This is pretty much a well established fact.

[Susan B. Anthony]

The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in fact atomic bombs. This is pretty much a well established fact.

That's all I'm sayin'. No need for the hoopla.

[Mac-7]

I'm trying to figure out why the media is so concerned with what Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and other Republican candidates think about the invasion of Iraq. After all, none of them were a senator, or elected official who had any input. None of them were the Secretary of State who was responsible for applying the administration's policies.

why don't they ask Hillary Clinton what she would do now, or have her explain her votes and actions pertaining to Iraq?


The media is just an extension of the democratic national committee.

The media is doing all it can to push Billary across the finish line to be the next president.

[Bo-4]

Can we please put this thread to bed - permanently?

[Safety]

The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in fact atomic bombs. This is pretty much a well established fact.

You were just a victim of a case of splitting hairs...


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[Tahuyaman]

That's all I'm sayin'. No need for the hoopla.atomic weapons are nuclear weapons. This is pretty much a known fact throughout the modern world.

[Susan B. Anthony]

atomic weapons are nuclear weapons. This is pretty much a known fact throughout the modern world.

Then please link us to a page that says nuclear bombs were dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

[Tahuyaman]

The media is just an extension of the democratic national committee.

The media is doing all it can to push Billary across the finish line to be the next president.

Maybe they could ask that question to a person who had something to do with the invasion or the aftermath? Just sayin......

I think the question is intended to keep the blame pointed at Bush and relieve Obama from being held accountable for his decisions.

[Tahuyaman]

Then please link us to a page that says nuclear bombs were dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.


Do do you really require a link to prove that nuclear weapons were dropped on Japan at the end of WWII? Have you been influenced by the oblivious one as of late?

[Susan B. Anthony]

Do do you really require a link to prove that nuclear weapons were dropped on Japan at the end of WWII? Have you been influenced by the oblivious one as of late?

Yes, I would like a link, please.

[Tahuyaman]

Yes, I would like a link, please.

thats dumb.

[Susan B. Anthony]

thats dumb.

I couldn't find one, either. :)

[Tahuyaman]

I couldn't find one, either. :)
thats dumb

generally liberals argue semantics.

[del]

Yes, I would like a link, please.

http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/images/weisswurst.jpg

[Susan B. Anthony]

thats dumb

generally liberals argue semantics.

They also generally name call.

[Susan B. Anthony]

http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/images/weisswurst.jpg

Enough with your phallic obsession, del.

[del]

Enough with your phallic obsession, del.

http://www.edelweissdeli.com/image/cache/data/edelweiss-products/Weisswurst-538x360.jpg

[Susan B. Anthony]

http://www.edelweissdeli.com/image/cache/data/edelweiss-products/Weisswurst-538x360.jpg

The world is not enough.

[del]

The world is not enough.

i know

i can hear the echo when you cross your legs

[southwest88]

Then please link us to a page that says nuclear bombs were dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Here you go. Or you can ask someone whose judgment you trust. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons

"History of nuclear weapons

Jump to: navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons#mw-head), search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons#p-search)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg/375px-Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg)
A nuclear fireball lights up the night in the United States nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Badger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upshot-Knothole_Badger) on April 18, 1953.




Nuclear weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg/255px-Fat_man.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_man.jpg)


Background




History
Warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare)
Arms race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race)
Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design)
Testing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_testing)
Ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_ethics)
Effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions)
Delivery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_delivery)
Espionage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_espionage)
Proliferation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)
Arsenals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons)
Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_terrorism)
Opposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement)




Nuclear-armed states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)


NPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons) recognized
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Others
India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel) (undeclared) Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)








"Nuclear weapons possess enormous destructive power derived from nuclear fission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission) or combined fission and fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) reactions. Starting with scientific breakthroughs made during the 1930s, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada collaborated during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) in what was called the Manhattan Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project) to counter the suspected Nazi German atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project). In August 1945 two fission bombs were dropped on Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) ending the Pacific War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War). The Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) started development shortly thereafter with their own atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project), and not long after that both countries developed even more powerful fusion weapons known as "hydrogen bombs."

(My emphasis)

& here's my stop.

[Safety]

i know

i can hear the echo when you cross your legs

LoL, damn.

[Susan B. Anthony]

i know

i can hear the echo when you cross your legs

That's you trying to think real thoughts lol.

[Susan B. Anthony]

Here you go. Or you can ask someone whose judgment you trust. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons

"History of nuclear weapons

Jump to: navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons#mw-head), search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_weapons#p-search)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg/375px-Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg)
A nuclear fireball lights up the night in the United States nuclear test Upshot-Knothole Badger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upshot-Knothole_Badger) on April 18, 1953.




Nuclear weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Fat_man.jpg/255px-Fat_man.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_man.jpg)


Background




History
Warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare)
Arms race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_arms_race)
Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design)
Testing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_testing)
Ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_ethics)
Effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions)
Delivery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_delivery)
Espionage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_espionage)
Proliferation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)
Arsenals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons)
Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_terrorism)
Opposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement)




Nuclear-armed states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons)


NPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons) recognized
United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Others
India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel) (undeclared) Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) North Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)








"Nuclear weapons possess enormous destructive power derived from nuclear fission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission) or combined fission and fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) reactions. Starting with scientific breakthroughs made during the 1930s, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada collaborated during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) in what was called the Manhattan Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project) to counter the suspected Nazi German atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project). In August 1945 two fission bombs were dropped on Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) ending the Pacific War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War). The Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) started development shortly thereafter with their own atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project), and not long after that both countries developed even more powerful fusion weapons known as "hydrogen bombs."

(My emphasis)

& here's my stop.

Nothing about nuclear bombs being dropped on Nagasaki or Hiroshima.

I couldn't find a link, either. :)

[Safety]

Nothing about nuclear bombs being dropped on Nagasaki or Hiroshima.

I couldn't find a link, either. :)

"Nuclear weapons possess enormous destructive power derived from nuclear fission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission) or combined fission and fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) reactions. Starting with scientific breakthroughs made during the 1930s, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada collaborated during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) in what was called the Manhattan Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project) to counter the suspected Nazi German atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project). In August 1945 two fission bombs were dropped on Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) ending the Pacific War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War). The Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)started development shortly thereafter with their own atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project), and not long after that both countries developed even more powerful fusion weapons known as "hydrogen bombs."

Clarify it for ya?

[Susan B. Anthony]

"Nuclear weapons possess enormous destructive power derived from nuclear fission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission) or combined fission and fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion) reactions. Starting with scientific breakthroughs made during the 1930s, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada collaborated during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) in what was called the Manhattan Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project) to counter the suspected Nazi German atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project). In August 1945 two fission bombs were dropped on Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) ending the Pacific War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War). The Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)started development shortly thereafter with their own atomic bomb project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project), and not long after that both countries developed even more powerful fusion weapons known as "hydrogen bombs."

Clarify it for ya?

"....and not long after that both countries developed even more powerful fusion weapons known as "hydrogen bombs."

Hydrogen bombs are also fusion bombs. Would you say America dropped hydrogen bombs on Japan in 1945, Safety?

lol

[PolWatch]

How about a compromise? We blew them to Hell & back....that work for everyone?

[Safety]

"....and not long after that both countries developed even more powerful fusion weapons known as "hydrogen bombs."

Hydrogen bombs are also fusion bombs. Would you say America dropped hydrogen bombs on Japan in 1945, Safety?

lol

I would say that the US dropped NUCLEAR bombs on Japan....twice.

[Susan B. Anthony]

I would say that the US dropped NUCLEAR bombs on Japan....twice.

You just can't find a link that says so lol.

I can find plenty of links that say the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. :)

[del]

That's you trying to think real thoughts lol.

hearing =/= thinking

this explains a lot

[del]

has anyone seen bob and susie in the same room at the same time?

[Tahuyaman]

You just can't find a link that says so lol.

I can find plenty of links that say the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. :)

i suppose if someone offered to sell you their car, you'd say no because you want an automobile?

[Common]

What are you insinuating del :)

[Susan B. Anthony]

hearing =/= thinking

this explains a lot

You don't hear your own thoughts, I guess.

Just an echo lol.

[Susan B. Anthony]

i suppose if someone offered to sell you their car, you'd say no because you want an automobile?

I suppose you would say a car is a motorcycle, because both use internal combustion engines.

[Safety]

I suppose you would say a car is a motorcycle, because both use internal combustion engines.

Pro-tip: Know when to quit.

http://www.urbanwoot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/dig1.jpg

[Susan B. Anthony]

Pro-tip: Know when to quit.

http://www.urbanwoot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/dig1.jpg

Still can't find that elusive link, I see.

lol

[Tahuyaman]

I suppose you would say a car is a motorcycle, because both use internal combustion engines.


You should move. You've lost this one.

[Susan B. Anthony]

You should move. You've lost this one.
If only saying so made it true:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/atomic-bomb-dropped-on-hiroshima

[GRUMPY]

If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq the US wouldn't be in this situation right now lol.

how can you possibly know that.....not very well thought out.....

[Tahuyaman]

If only saying so made it true:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/atomic-bomb-dropped-on-hiroshima

I'm just trying to help you out. It's time you moved on from this one. Most of these people will forget that you took this position if you simply forget it and let it die.

[GRUMPY]

And the the reality now is that we know things today that we did not know in 2003. Commenting on how we should have done something based on things we know now, but did not when the decisions were made is simply idiotic second guessing.

not to the lying left.....

[Tahuyaman]

how can you possibly know that.....not very well thought out.....


I think that was her demonstration of sarcasm

[GRUMPY]

If you can't engage in a thought experiment then I can see how it might seem like a stupid question. I thought it was sort of a "what would you have done?" sort of question. Maybe it was an attempt to make a subversive statement and I just missed it.

a thought experiment....so thinking for you is in the experimental stage....

[GRUMPY]

Correct, Bush & Cheney knew Saddam attacked us on 9/11, was Bin Ladens' buddy and had WMD's in the form of a Mushroom Cloud.

this must be another thought experiment....

[GRUMPY]

We knew before we invaded that Saddam had ZERO to do with 9/11, and we knew within a few months of getting there that Team Bush's assurances of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's were lies.

Is the world a marginally better place without Saddam in it? Perhaps. He was a total $#@! and a mean and nasty man, that's for sure, but, unfortunately, the world is FULL of such men and many of them rise to power over their countrymen. Was ridding the world of Saddam worth nearly 40K US casualties, $1Trillion? I would say, definitely not. I am glad we didn't waste that kind of blood and treasure trying to get rid of Pol Pot or Idi Amin, as bad as THEY were.

did bush and company make the argument that saddam was behind 9-11....

[Captain Obvious]

did bush and company make the argument that saddam was behind 9-11....

The wingosphere did

[Susan B. Anthony]

how can you possibly know that.....not very well thought out.....

That position is not well thought out at all, is it?

[Susan B. Anthony]

I'm just trying to help you out. It's time you moved on from this one. Most of these people will forget that you took this position if you simply forget it and let it die.

lol it's not MY position. I'll be happy to say nuclear weapons were dropped on Japan if we can come up with a credible link that says as much.

Not that a similar process is involved in making hydrogen and nuclear weapons.

[GRUMPY]

Atomic weapons is a good term to use, because some people don't know how to pronounce nuclear...


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yes and let us call dogs cats because some people eat both....cannot you people just admit when you are wrong....i was wrong once, just once, it was sometime back in the sixties and jimmie wanted me to help him buy a guitar....i told him that he could not play a lick....wrong....

[GRUMPY]

That's all I'm sayin'. No need for the hoopla.

everybody likes a little hoopla now and then....

[GRUMPY]

http://www.edelweissdeli.com/image/cache/data/edelweiss-products/Weisswurst-538x360.jpg

the mind of del....cleave his head with an ax and this is what you find.....

[Safety]

lol it's not MY position. I'll be happy to say nuclear weapons were dropped on Japan if we can come up with a credible link that says as much.

Not that a similar process is involved in making hydrogen and nuclear weapons.


Nuclear weapons have been used twice in nuclear warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare), both times by the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) against Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) near the end of World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II). On 6 August 1945, the US detonated a uranium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium) gun-type fission bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_bomb) codenamed "Little Boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy)" over the Japanese city of Hiroshima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima); three days later, on 9 August, the US detonated a plutonium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium) implosion-type fission bomb codenamed "Fat Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man)" over the Nagasaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagasaki). The bombings resulted in the deaths of approximately 200,000 civilians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilians) and military personnel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_personnel) from acute injuries sustained from the explosions.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon#cite_note-3) The ethics of the bombings and their role in Japan's surrender (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan) remain the subject of scholarly and popular debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_N agasaki).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon



....some people. :rollseyes:

[del]

the mind of del....cleave his head with an ax and this is what you find.....

as opposed to cleaving your head with an axe and witnessing the effects of explosive decompression.

isn't it time to change your catheter, pops?

[Bob]

I couldn't find one, either. :)

Glad to help.

http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/bombing-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki

[Tahuyaman]

Originally Posted by exotix

Correct, Bush & Cheney knew Saddam attacked us on 9/11, was Bin Ladens' buddy and had WMD's in the form of a Mushroom Cloud.


this must be another thought experiment....

Thats not it. If you ask exo his views on vacationing in Mexico, that's the response you're going to get. You could ask him any question and that's more than likely what he will come back with

[Safety]

yes and let us call dogs cats because some people eat both....cannot you people just admit when you are wrong....i was wrong once, just once, it was sometime back in the sixties and jimmie wanted me to help him buy a guitar....i told him that he could not play a lick....wrong....

W.T.F are you even talking about?

[del]

W.T.F are you even talking about?

he reminds me of my grandfather when he got old.

[Tahuyaman]

did bush and company make the argument that saddam was behind 9-11....


Thats the the way these idiots are trying to alter history anyway.

[Bob]

Thats the the way these idiots are trying to alter history anyway.

Bush did not target Saddam merely due to 911.

I think for Bush 911 was the wake up call we all got.

[Safety]

he reminds me of my grandfather when he got old.

It seems to be spreading, hope it isn't contagious.

[GRUMPY]

as opposed to cleaving your head with an axe and witnessing the effects of explosive decompression.

isn't it time to change your catheter, pops?

lad, i did not mean to ruffle your feathers, i am sure that yours is a great intellect....no really i mean it....really...

[Susan B. Anthony]

Glad to help.

http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/bombing-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki
From your link:

"On August 6, 1945, during World War II (1939-45), an American B-29 bomber dropped the world’s first deployed atomic bomb over the Japanese city of Hiroshima."

Thanks!

[Peter1469]

this must be another thought experiment....

Don't think too much about what Exo says. You will hurt yourself. :smiley:

[del]

lad, i did not mean to ruffle your feathers, i am sure that yours is a great intellect....no really i mean it....really...

pops, you couldn't ruffle my feathers with a halberd and a running start, but bless your heart for being so thoughtful.

[Tahuyaman]

yes and let us call dogs cats because some people eat both...


I ate dog meat once in Korea. Honestly, it tasted like chicken. Never tried cat. I don't think I've ever seen it served anywhere.

[Tahuyaman]

From your link:

"On August 6, 1945, during World War II (1939-45), an American B-29 bomber dropped the world’s first deployed atomic bomb over the Japanese city of Hiroshima."

Thanks!

Stop it! Stop it I say! If you keep this up, people will remember you said this like the way some remember exo claiming that Obama has lowered the national debt.

[PolWatch]

It seems to be spreading, hope it isn't contagious.

quit picking on little sister....you will be old some day if you are lucky....

[Susan B. Anthony]

Stop it! Stop it I say! If you keep this up, people will remember you said this like the way some remember exo claiming that Obama has lowered the national debt.

lol got that link yet?

[Susan B. Anthony]

quit picking on little sister....you will be old some day if you are lucky....

Thanks! It's nice to have an older sister like you to stick up for me. :)

[Tahuyaman]

lol got that link yet?

i tried to help you out here, but at some point one needs to let someone learn the lessons on their own.

[Susan B. Anthony]

i tried to help you out here, but at some point one needs to let someone learn the lessons on their own.

The US dropped roses on Tokyo.

I don't have a link that says so, you'll just have to take my word for it.

[Safety]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon



....some people. :rollseyes:
Susan B. Anthony

[PolWatch]

Thanks! It's nice to have an older sister like you to stick up for me. :)

sorry, but I was not referring to you....

[Susan B. Anthony]

sorry, but I was not referring to you....

Apology accepted.

[Tahuyaman]

The US dropped roses on Tokyo.

I don't have a link that says so, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Before or after we nuked them?

[Susan B. Anthony]

@Susan B. Anthony (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1680)

We've already done this, Safety. We called it dueling Wiki pages lol.

"In August 1945, during the final stage of the Second World War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War), the United States dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

[Susan B. Anthony]

Before or after we nuked them?

Before the US dropped the hydrogen bombs on them.

[Safety]

We've already done this, Safety. We called it dueling Wiki pages lol.

"In August 1945, during the final stage of the Second World War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War), the United States dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

There are two major types of nuclear weapon/bomb
An atomic bomb
A hydrogen bomb

http://csis.org/blog/understanding-decision-drop-bomb-hiroshima-and-nagasaki
http://idebate.org/discussions/foreign-policy-and-international-aid/was-use-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-justified
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=7801.0

[Tahuyaman]

This atomic bomb stuff needs to just fade away peacefully.

[Susan B. Anthony]

There are two major types of nuclear weapon/bomb
An atomic bomb
A hydrogen bomb

http://csis.org/blog/understanding-decision-drop-bomb-hiroshima-and-nagasaki
http://idebate.org/discussions/foreign-policy-and-international-aid/was-use-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-justified
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=7801.0

Which type of bomb did the US drop on Japan?

Got a link?

lol

[Safety]

Which type of bomb did the US drop on Japan?

Got a link?

lol

US dropped two nuclear bombs which one was uranium and the other was plutonium.

I also saw an automobile accident which involved two cars. Troll some more.

[Susan B. Anthony]

US dropped two nuclear bombs which one was uranium and the other was plutonium.

I also saw an automobile accident which involved two cars. Troll some more.
You just said there were only two kinds of nuclear weapons.

I guess you meant more than two lol.

[Safety]

You just said there were only two kinds of nuclear weapons.

I guess you meant more than two lol.

Two types of nuclear weapons: Atomic and hydrogen. The US used one type twice. What is the difficulty you are having?

[Susan B. Anthony]

Two types of nuclear weapons: Atomic and hydrogen. The US used one type twice. What is the difficulty you are having?

I'm having difficulty understanding which type the US used twice.

Do you know?

[del]

I'm having difficulty understanding which type the US used twice.

Do you know?

you have difficulty opening a door, i suspect.

[Safety]

I'm having difficulty understanding which type the US used twice.

Do you know?

This is hopeless...

http://i.imgur.com/KCE9a.gif

[Susan B. Anthony]

you have difficulty opening a door, i suspect.

When one door is closed another is open, del.

[Susan B. Anthony]

This is hopeless...

http://i.imgur.com/KCE9a.gif

They were...wait for it....atomic bombs, Safety.

lol

[maineman]

Thats the the way these idiots are trying to alter history anyway.

are you saying that Cheney did not say, on several occasions, that Muhammed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in the months leading up to 9/11?

[maineman]

They were...wait for it....atomic bombs, Safety.

lol

atomic bombs which use fission, and hydrogen bombs, which use fusion, are both nuclear weapons.

You obviously know as much about this as you did about what constitutes a a"casualty" in military parlance.

[Safety]

They were...wait for it....atomic bombs, Safety.

lol

Which are nuclear weapons.

[maineman]

perhaps you should go ver to the pets forum, or maybe the food and drink forum... you are clearly just trolling in this one.

[Susan B. Anthony]

atomic bombs which use fission, and hydrogen bombs, which use fusion, are both nuclear weapons.

You obviously know as much about this as you did about what constitutes a a"casualty" in military parlance.


Which are nuclear weapons.

9mm bullets and mortars both use gunpowder explosives.

They are the same thing, too.

lol

[Susan B. Anthony]

perhaps you should go ver to the pets forum, or maybe the food and drink forum... you are clearly just trolling in this one.

Perhaps you should learn Spanish or teach the rest of the population English.

jajajaja!

[Safety]

9mm bullets and mortars both use gunpowder explosives.

They are the same thing, too.

lol

Technically they are, they are both projectiles. Still don't understand where your disconnect is.

[maineman]

Perhaps you should learn Spanish or teach the rest of the population English.

jajajaja!

are you saying that the bombs dropped on Japan were not nuclear weapons?

a simple yes or no is all I need here.

[Susan B. Anthony]

Technically they are, they are both projectiles. Still don't understand where your disconnect is.

An arrow is a projectile, as well.

Did the US shoot arrows at Japan in 1945, Safety?

lol

[Susan B. Anthony]

are you saying that the bombs dropped on Japan were not nuclear weapons?

a simple yes or no is all I need here.
No, I am not.

I am saying the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 and have posted numerous links to back up the history.

[maineman]

No, I am not.

I am saying the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 and have posted numerous links to back up the history.

here's a clue from a guy who used to hold a TS CNWDI cleareance: "atomic" bombs and "hydrogen" bombs are both considered to be "nuclear" weapons.

[maineman]

So...when someone says we "nuked" Japan in 1945 - twice - they are being completely accurate.

[Susan B. Anthony]

here's a clue from a guy who used to hold a TS CNWDI cleareance: "atomic" bombs and "hydrogen" bombs are both considered to be "nuclear" weapons.

Did the US drop a hydrogen bomb on Japan in 1945, mainman?

lol

[Susan B. Anthony]

So...when someone says we "nuked" Japan in 1945 - twice - they are being completely accurate.

Not nearly as accurate as saying the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan.

Twice.

lol

[maineman]

Not nearly as accurate as saying the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan.

Twice.

lol

both of which were nukes. All of the tactical nukes in the Navy arsenal, for example, are fission weapons, not fusion weapons... but the Navy certainly would admit to having lots of nuclear weapons. All of the reactors on all the nuclear powered ships in the Navy rely on fission reactions and not fusion reactions. No one would claim we don't have "nuclear" powered aircraft carriers and submarines.

that's what the "N" stands for in CVN, or SSN or SSBN.

[maineman]

Did the US drop a hydrogen bomb on Japan in 1945, mainman?

lolnope. we dropped two fission nuclear weapons.

[maineman]

ooh... I forgot:


lol

[Susan B. Anthony]

both of which were nukes. All of the tactical nukes in the Navy arsenal, for example, are fission weapons, not fusion weapons... but the Navy certainly would admit to having lots of nuclear weapons. All of the reactors on all the nuclear powered ships in the Navy rely on fission reactions and not fusion reactions. No one would claim we don't have "nuclear" powered aircraft carriers and submarines.

That's nice, maineman.

Let's get back on topic now, shall we?

A hydrogen bomb is a nuclear weapon, no?

Did the US drop a hydrogen bomb on Japan in 1945, maineman?

Twice?

lol

[Susan B. Anthony]

nope. we dropped two fission nuclear weapons.

Were they thermonuclear weapons, maineman? I believe fission is used in thermonuclear weapons, as well.

lol

[maineman]

Were they thermonuclear weapons, maineman? I believe fission is used in thermonuclear weapons, as well.

lol

what, pray tell, does that have to do, in the slightest, with whether the weapons we used were nuclear or not?

Again... it's like "casualties". You don't know what you are talking about and yet, you can't bear to leave the thread with your tail between your legs, which is the only place it rightfully belongs, at this point.

[maineman]

That's nice, maineman.

Let's get back on topic now, shall we?

A hydrogen bomb is a nuclear weapon, no?

Did the US drop a hydrogen bomb on Japan in 1945, maineman?

Twice?

lol
a non-hydrogen bomb is also a nuclear weapon. We DID drop two nuclear bombs on Japan in 1945.

[Susan B. Anthony]

what, pray tell, does that have to do, in the slightest, with whether the weapons we used were nuclear or not?

Again... it's like "casualties". You don't know what you are talking about and yet, you can't bear to leave the thread with your tail between your legs, which is the only place it rightfully belongs, at this point.They were atomic bombs, maineman. Perhaps you don't know what words mean.


a non-hydrogen bomb is also a nuclear weapon. We DID drop two nuclear bombs on Japan in 1945.

A non-hydrogen bomb could be a cluster bomb.

Is a cluster bomb a nuclear weapon, maineman?

lol

[maineman]

They were atomic bombs, maineman. Perhaps you don't know what words mean.



A non-hydrogen bomb could be a cluster bomb.

Is a cluster bomb a nuclear weapon, maineman?

lol

a cluster bomb is not a nuclear weapon. Little Boy and Fat Man both were.

go to sleep susie Q..... again... you pick the wrong guys to argue with.

[Susan B. Anthony]

a cluster bomb is not a nuclear weapon. Little Boy and Fat Man both were.

go to sleep susie Q..... again... you pick the wrong guys to argue with.Ah, so they were thermonuclear bombs.

Interesting stuff, maineman.

lol

[maineman]

Here... let me do my best Susie Q imitation:

EPIC FAIL. SUsie Q. has decided to try and tech talk nuclear weapons with a guy who used to OWN them. What a loser!

[Susan B. Anthony]

Now I'll do maineman:

Si los hombres me quieren, aqui estoy.

lol

[maineman]

Ah, so they were thermonuclear bombs.

Interesting stuff, maineman.

lol

clearly, you do not know the difference between nuclear and thermonuclear. both are nuclear. both are "nukes". Go back to the pet forum sweetheart, or maybe find one where you can talk about makeup or pedicures. Nuclear weapons are so far out of your pay grade that you probably should have to show an ID before coming back here.

[maineman]

Now I'll do maineman:

Si los hombres me quieren, aqui estoy.

lol
no te queiro.

Apostaré que usted no consigue muchas ofertas.

[Susan B. Anthony]

clearly, you do not know the difference between nuclear and thermonuclear. both are nuclear. both are "nukes". Go back to the pet forum sweetheart, or maybe find one where you can talk about makeup or pedicures. Nuclear weapons are so far out of your pay grade that you probably should have to show an ID before coming back here.Argue with history, maineman:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/atomic-bomb-dropped-on-hiroshima


no te queiro.

Porque no soy hombre.

lol

[GRUMPY]

pops, you couldn't ruffle my feathers with a halberd and a running start, but bless your heart for being so thoughtful.

it is just that you seem rather upset.....maybe if they would let you upstairs on occasion......and again, in your mind i am sure that you exist as an intellectual giant....really ...

[maineman]

Argue with history, maineman:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/atomic-bomb-dropped-on-hiroshima



Porque no soy hombre.

lol
again... you mistakenly feel that "atomic" and "nuclear" are mutually exclusive. They are not.

Sé que usted no es un hombre. Y porque puedo imaginarme solamente que usted es una mujer fea del tope.

[Susan B. Anthony]

again... you mistakenly feel that "atomic" and "nuclear" are mutually exclusive. They are not.

Sé que usted no es un hombre. Y porque puedo imaginarme solamente que usted es una mujer fea del tope.

One is much more accurate than the other. The one I lay claim to.

Párate, abuelo. Estoy casada. Busca tu propio hombre.

lol

[Bob]

Argue with history, maineman:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/atomic-bomb-dropped-on-hiroshima



Porque no soy hombre.

lol


You are way more fun than Sillyeyes.

[maineman]

One is much more accurate than the other. The one I lay claim to.

Párate, abuelo. Estoy casada. Busca tu propio hombre.

lol

describing the weapons dropped on Japan in 1945 as nuclear is completely accurate. For you to say that we did NOT nuke Japan is completely inaccurate.

Siento apesadumbrado para su marido. Pienso, si fuera él, yo bebería el veneno.

[Susan B. Anthony]

You are way more fun than Sillyeyes.

:D

[Susan B. Anthony]

describing the weapons dropped on Japan in 1945 as nuclear is completely accurate. For you to say that we did NOT nuke Japan is completely inaccurate.

Siento apesadumbrado para su marido. Pienso, si fuera él, yo bebería el veneno.
Describing you as a man is accurate. But you're no Brad Pitt. lol

Ni cerca como me siento mala para tu marido.

lol

[maineman]

You are way more fun than Sillyeyes.

Bob... would you agree with Susie Q. that we did NOT use nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945?

[del]

it is just that you seem rather upset.....maybe if they would let you upstairs on occasion......and again, in your mind i am sure that you exist as an intellectual giant....really ...

oh, pops, your insight into my emotional state is only equaled by your crushing wit.

don't you have a skin abcess to pick?

[maineman]

Describing you as a man is accurate. But you're no Brad Pitt. lol

Ni cerca como me siento mala para tu marido.

lol

how would you know?

Tengo que esposa encantadora. No un cerdo como tu estas.

[Susan B. Anthony]

how would you know?

Tengo que esposa encantadora. No un cerdo como usted es.Same way as I know the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 and you don't. lol

Esa viajita choncha necesita ayuda a levantarse de una silla.

lol

[del]

who knew sukie could be insipid in two languages?

[Susan B. Anthony]

who knew sukie could be insipid in two languages?

Four, Wadábu.

lol

[del]

the only drawback is that i speak one of them

[maineman]

Same way as I know the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 and you don't. lol

Esa viajita choncha necesita ayuda a levantarse de una silla.

lol

But...see... I do know, and have always known, that the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. Unlike, you, however, I know that atomic bombs are considered nuclear weapons, as they use a nuclear reaction to create energy. YOU said we did NOT nuke Japan in 1945. That was wrong. we did. ALL of the nuclear weapons in the Army AND the Navy arsenals are fission weapons. The Air Force is the only service with fusion weaponry. And I don't need any help getting to my chair. I am already in it. You are tap dancing around it looking like the feo cerdo that you are.

[Susan B. Anthony]

the only drawback is that i speak one of them

Áye? Gayánu aytíbu Gariganu?

[Susan B. Anthony]

But...see... I do know, and have always known, that the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. Unlike, you, however, I know that atomic bombs are considered nuclear weapons, as they use a nuclear reaction to create energy. YOU said we did NOT nuke Japan in 1945. That was wrong. we did. ALL of the nuclear weapons in the Army AND the Navy arsenals are fission weapons. The Air Force is the only service with fusion weaponry. And I don't need any help getting to my chair. I am already in it. You are tap dancing around it looking like the feo cerdo that you are.Cálmate, abuelo. Recuérdate que dijo el doctor sobre tu corazon debil.

Ya nos dijistes que soy correcta. Basta. :)

[maineman]

who knew sukie could be insipid in two languages?

my gut tells me that she speaks English as a fourth language and she couldn't get out of grade school grammar with any of the other three.

[Bob]

Bob... would you agree with Susie Q. that we did NOT use nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945?

I posted a link showing we did just that.

[maineman]

Cálmate, abuelo. Recuérdate que dijo el doctor sobre tu corazon debil.

Ya nos dijistes que soy correcta. Basta. :)

mi corazón está muy bien. su español no es.

[maineman]

I posted a link showing we did just that. I missed the link. Did it show that we used nukes on Japan in 1945?

[Susan B. Anthony]

mi corazón está muy bien. su español no es.

No te enójes, abuelo. Chéquiate mi nueva firma.

lol

[maineman]

I am glad we agree. the US dropped nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945.

Thanks for the affirmation.

[domer76]

I guess we could call them fire sticks that go boom lol.
It's the difference between NUCLEAR fission and NUCLEAR fusion.

But you probably say "nucular" anyway

[Susan B. Anthony]

I am glad we agree. the US dropped nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945.

Thanks for the affirmation.First line, grandfather:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44694-If-we-knew-what-we-knew-today?p=1098599&viewfull=1#post1098599


It's the difference between NUCLEAR fission and NUCLEAR fusion.

But you probably say "nucular" anyway

You're late to the party, Gomer.

[Bob]

Same way as I know the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 and you don't.

I hope you are aware that the atomic bombs are nuclear bombs????

The difference in the "atomic" bomb vs the "hydrogen" bomb is that the Atomic bomb is a fission weapon whereas the H bomb is a fusion bomb. Both are nuclear.

[Safety]

who knew sukie could be insipid in two languages?

It's pretty sad, it's bad to be considered an idiot in one language, but now they go and prove it in another.....

[Susan B. Anthony]

I hope you are aware that the atomic bombs are nuclear bombs????

The difference in the "atomic" bomb vs the "hydrogen" bomb is that the Atomic bomb is a fission weapon whereas the H bomb is a fusion bomb. Both are nuclear.
;)

[Bob]

I missed the link. Did it show that we used nukes on Japan in 1945?

Yes

[Susan B. Anthony]

It's pretty sad, it's bad to be considered an idiot in one language, but now they go and prove it in another.....

We can't ALL be old guys on an internet message board.

lol

[domer76]

First line, grandfather:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/44694-If-we-knew-what-we-knew-today?p=1098599&viewfull=1#post1098599

U

You're late to the party, Gomer.
Yeah, I was just picking up where I last left off. With your stupid fucking comment that we never nuked Japan. Shit-o-frickin-doo-dah dumb.

[Susan B. Anthony]

Yeah, I was just picking up where I last left off. With your stupid $#@!ing comment that we never nuked Japan. $#@!-o-frickin-doo-dah dumb.

Calm down, dahmer. You dropped atomic bombs on them.

lol

[domer76]

Calm down, dahmer. You dropped atomic bombs on them.

lol

Perhaps you should return to the premise of the thread, because we have lost sight of it.

You appear to be the only one on the entire thread that doesn't know any more than they did at the beginning.

[Susan B. Anthony]

OK, well it's been fun. Thanks for being real because you keep it real.

lol

[maineman]

and, as everyone - but you, apparently - acknowledges, atomic bombs are, by definition, nuclear weapons.

Go to bed Susie Q.... you're toast.

[del]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2eUopy9sd8

[PolWatch]

I thought Groundhog Day was in February....

[silvereyes]

You are way more fun than Sillyeyes.

1. Whatthefuck EVER.
2. Only an ass would talk shit about someone not even posting in the thread.
3. The name is SILVEREYES...i suggest you use my proper name and not something you fantasize about in your twisted mind.
4. Fuck off bob.

Anything else i need to chastise about? Ass.

[del]

1. Whatthefuck EVER.
2. Only an ass would talk shit about someone not even posting in the thread.
3. The name is SILVEREYES...i suggest you use my proper name and not something you fantasize about in your twisted mind.
4. Fuck off bob.

Anything else i need to chastise about? Ass.

that's no way to talk to a realtor

[Tahuyaman]

are you saying that Cheney did not say, on several occasions, that Muhammed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in the months leading up to 9/11?

why would I claim things which are true to be untrue. That's what you do.

besides, that's a long way away from claiming Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Ah shit. I responded to this guy twice now. See what alcohol does to you.....

[Tahuyaman]

1. Whatthe$#@! EVER.
2. Only an ass would talk $#@! about someone not even posting in the thread.
3. The name is SILVEREYES...i suggest you use my proper name and not something you fantasize about in your twisted mind.
4. $#@! off bob.

Anything else i need to chastise about? Ass.

Do you really think men are fantasizing about you?

[maineman]

why would I claim things which are true to be untrue. That's what you do.

besides, that's a long way away from claiming Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Ah $#@!. I responded to this guy twice now. See what alcohol does to you.....

do you not believe that the average American, who undoubtedly is at least as smart as you, would see an Atta/Iraqi intelligence meeting in Prague as evidence of possible, if not probable complicity in what Atta did just a few months later?

And would you not agree that to continue to hype this meeting even after it had been proven NOT to have happened, was misleading by Team Bush?

[Tahuyaman]

do you not believe that the average American, who undoubtedly is at least as smart as you, would see an Atta/Iraqi intelligence meeting in Prague as evidence of possible, if not probable complicity in what Atta did just a few months later?

And would you not agree that to continue to hype this meeting even after it had been proven NOT to have happened, was misleading by Team Bush?

first, the meeting did happen, they just don't know what was discussed in those meetings. I don't know either. I don't care. All of them are dead.


And now im done with you. Good night, tool bag.

[Redrose]

... and Marco Rubio doubling down on denial ... they can't help it, it's in their DNA


Marco Rubio's answer was 100% accurate and a perfect answer. It's too bad people are too stupid to understand what he is saying.

[maineman]

first, the meeting did happen, they just don't know what was discussed in those meetings. I don't know either. I don't care. All of them are dead.


And now im done with you. Good night, tool bag.

the meeting did NOT happen. All the EVER had was some guy who SAW A PICTURE OF ATTA after 9/11 saying that he thought he might have seen that guy talking with some Iraqis. THAT'S IT.

[maineman]

Marco Rubio's answer was 100% accurate and a perfect answer. It's too bad people are too stupid to understand what he is saying.

He is saying that he would have made the same boneheaded mistake that Bush had made even though it has been proven to be a boneheaded decision. The elephants are nothing if not consistent in their profound stupidity.

[silvereyes]

Do you really think men are fantasizing about you?

Mind your own fucking business. Ass.

[Tahuyaman]

Mind your own $#@!ing business. Ass.

comments in a public forum are anyone's business. I'm not going to call you a name though. I'm sure you get that enough in your daily life.

[Bob]

He is saying that he would have made the same boneheaded mistake that Bush had made even though it has been proven to be a boneheaded decision. The elephants are nothing if not consistent in their profound stupidity.

Did you ever read the book by Kenneth Pollack ... The Threatening storm?

In his book, before war broke out, he relayed the then known intelligence about iraq.

Read it.

Bush did not have post invasion intelligence to use until the invasion ended and Iraq was turned inside out.

But one more book


Saddam's Secrets
General Georges Sada

This will enlighten you to what actually did take place.

[Tahuyaman]

Marco Rubio's answer was 100% accurate and a perfect answer. It's too bad people are too stupid to understand what he is saying.


Rubio said that a president bases a decision on information known at that time. It is true that collecting information is one of the steps in the decision making process. One can't collect information that isn't yet known, but will be a decade later.

Left wing hacks can't seem to come to terms with that. The reason is simple. They are trying to reach for every possible way to relieve our current president of being held accountable for the decisions made on his watch.

Iraq was fairly stable when he took over and now it has spiraled out of control. The left wants to ensure that Obama is sheltered from any and all criticism of his incompetence.

They are hacks who have no concern over anything but party politics

[Bob]

the meeting did NOT happen. All the EVER had was some guy who SAW A PICTURE OF ATTA after 9/11 saying that he thought he might have seen that guy talking with some Iraqis. THAT'S IT.

Forget Atta. That does not matter at all.

I suggest you also study the 9/11 report. I keep my copy on hand.

[silvereyes]

comments in a public forum are anyone's business. I'm not going to call you a name though. I'm sure you get that enough in your daily life.
Yep, people adore me in real life. I dont tolerate asses there either. Now, mind yo biz, rosy.

[Redrose]

He is saying that he would have made the same boneheaded mistake that Bush had made even though it has been proven to be a boneheaded decision. The elephants are nothing if not consistent in their profound stupidity.


No, you know better than that. I watched that interview three times because I watched it when it repeats through the night. Rubio was very clear and careful with Chris Wallace's questions. Rubio said in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do. He reiterated that a few times to be clear. When pressed by Wallace, Rubio stated the President, Congress inluding Hillary, voted for the war, and Rubio went further to say given the information they had, it was the right decision at that time, everyone believed the information they were given. He added we know NOW that information was faulty, but back then they all believed it.

Rubio said he would have done the same thing with the information they had because the info they had warranted it.

Rubio was very clear that looking back, with hindsight, it was wrong because we have learned since then the info was faulty. He said politicians have to make decisions without the benefit of hindsight. That is true for all our politicians, Democratic and Republican.

[PolWatch]

Those who voted for the Iraq invasion fall into 2 groups: those who supported the decision with no questions and those who were doubtful but allowed themselves to be pressured into voting for the invasion.

While I don't think much of either group, I have less respect for those who caved to the advertising campaign that led up to the invasion. First on the list of those I hold in contempt for their spineless pandering for public opinion is Hillary Clinton. She had the brains to doubt the information but caved in her position.....and then voiced regret.

[Tahuyaman]

Yep, people adore me in real life. I dont tolerate asses there either. Now, mind yo biz, rosy.


Being in a state of denial is never a good thing.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Correct, Bush & Cheney knew Saddam attacked us on 9/11, was bin Laden's buddy and had WMD's in the form of a Mushroom Cloud. Some mushrooms are hallucinogenic. Or maybe the Neo-Condis were licking frogs.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Can we please put this thread to bed - permanently? That would be the nuclear option. But what would be the atomic option?

[The Sage of Main Street]

do you not believe that the average American, who undoubtedly is at least as smart as you, would see an Atta/Iraqi intelligence meeting in Prague as evidence of possible, if not probable complicity in what Atta did just a few months later?

And would you not agree that to continue to hype this meeting even after it had been proven NOT to have happened, was misleading by Team Bush?


the meeting did NOT happen. All the EVER had was some guy who SAW A PICTURE OF ATTA after 9/11 saying that he thought he might have seen that guy talking with some Iraqis. THAT'S IT. That's truthy enough for me. Let's nuke Prague!

[silvereyes]

Being in a state of denial is never a good thing.
I dont have to deny ANYTHING. Youre the one in denial. People love me. Suck it up.

[Private Pickle]

I dont have to deny ANYTHING. Youre the one in denial. People love me. Suck it up.

Ehhh...

[Tahuyaman]

Youre the one in denial. People love me. Suck it up.

no, probably not nearly as much as you think and finally.....no.

[texan]

Lots of libs blabbing about nothing and answering nothing..................WOULD YOU WATERBOARD TO STOP ISIS?


Blah blah this and that atta yada yada...............