Who owns the GOP?

[PolWatch]

The Koch brothers want to take procession of the GOP....looks like they bought & paid for it. Looks like it is about the money after all....oops

'The Republican National Committee’s data arm last year called it a “historic” occasion (https://storify.com/jonward11/what-rnc-and-koch-data-sharing-means) when it struck a deal to share voter information with the Koch brothers’ rapidly expanding political empire. It was an uneasy détente between the party committee, which views itself as the rightful standard-bearer for the GOP, and the behemoth funded by Charles and David Koch, which is free of the campaign finance restrictions (https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/limits.php) that bind the RNC (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67046.html) and plans to spend almost $900 million (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/koch-2016-spending-goal-114604.html) in the 2016 election cycle to elect a Republican to the White House.


Party leaders, including the current chief digital officer for the RNC, hailed the deal (http://news.yahoo.com/two-years-after-2012-elections--gop-tech-efforts-show-mixed-results-012608178.html) as an important step forward in the GOP’s attempt to modernize itself. But after the fall midterm elections, the deal was allowed to expire without being renewed. Since then, relations between the two sides have soured, turning into what one Republican operative described as “all-out war.” Interviews with more than three dozen people, including top decision-makers in both camps, have revealed that the Kochs’ i360 platform for managing voter contacts — which is viewed by many as a superior, easier-to-use interface than what’s on offer from the RNC — is becoming increasingly popular among Republican campaigns.


The RNC is now openly arguing, however, that the Kochs’ political operation is trying to control the Republican Party’s master voter file, and to gain influence over — some even say control of — the GOP. “I think it’s very dangerous and wrong to allow a group of very strong, well-financed individuals who have no accountability to anyone to have control over who gets access to the data when, why and how,” said Katie Walsh, the RNC’s chief of staff.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-koch-brothers-and-the-republican-party-go-to-121193159491.html

[gamewell45]

The Koch brothers want to take procession of the GOP....looks like they bought & paid for it. Looks like it is about the money after all....oops

'The Republican National Committee’s data arm last year called it a “historic” occasion (https://storify.com/jonward11/what-rnc-and-koch-data-sharing-means) when it struck a deal to share voter information with the Koch brothers’ rapidly expanding political empire. It was an uneasy détente between the party committee, which views itself as the rightful standard-bearer for the GOP, and the behemoth funded by Charles and David Koch, which is free of the campaign finance restrictions (https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/limits.php) that bind the RNC (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67046.html) and plans to spend almost $900 million (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/koch-2016-spending-goal-114604.html) in the 2016 election cycle to elect a Republican to the White House.


Party leaders, including the current chief digital officer for the RNC, hailed the deal (http://news.yahoo.com/two-years-after-2012-elections--gop-tech-efforts-show-mixed-results-012608178.html) as an important step forward in the GOP’s attempt to modernize itself. But after the fall midterm elections, the deal was allowed to expire without being renewed. Since then, relations between the two sides have soured, turning into what one Republican operative described as “all-out war.” Interviews with more than three dozen people, including top decision-makers in both camps, have revealed that the Kochs’ i360 platform for managing voter contacts — which is viewed by many as a superior, easier-to-use interface than what’s on offer from the RNC — is becoming increasingly popular among Republican campaigns.


The RNC is now openly arguing, however, that the Kochs’ political operation is trying to control the Republican Party’s master voter file, and to gain influence over — some even say control of — the GOP. “I think it’s very dangerous and wrong to allow a group of very strong, well-financed individuals who have no accountability to anyone to have control over who gets access to the data when, why and how,” said Katie Walsh, the RNC’s chief of staff.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-koch-brothers-and-the-republican-party-go-to-121193159491.html

I'm beginning to wonder if the damage is terminal. Might be too late to take back the party from them.

[Captain Obvious]

I'm beginning to wonder if the damage is terminal. Might be too late to take back the party from them.

I came to that conclusion 2 or 3 years ago and left the party.

[Crepitus]

The only ones on the planet who didn't already know that are Mac GRC.

[PolWatch]

Unlimited financial contributions don't come free. Do they really think people will give this much $$$ without expecting to control how it is spent?

[Ransom]

Unlimited financial contributions don't come free. Do they really think people will give this much $$$ without expecting to control how it is spent?

PolWatch, do you know who Tom Steyer is

[PolWatch]

Is he fighting with the GOP for ownership?

btw: trying to deflect the topic?

[Adelaide]

This seems like it was entirely preventable to me. I'll never understand how the US parties/politicians can basically buy elections, or why the people seem to want to allow it either through indifference or support of shit like Citizens United.

[PolWatch]

We allow our political system to be sold to the highest bidder. Both parties want to point fingers but they are equally guilty. I don't expect any politician to reduce their access to huge amounts of money. The best I hope for....if the politicians are for sale, we should at least know who owns them.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Unlimited financial contributions don't come free. Do they really think people will give this much $$$ without expecting to control how it is spent?

Under Rom & Koch
The rest will go broke

[Chris]

If this is true I can understand why Republicans would be up in arms that libertarians have bought out the Grand Old Party.

[Peter1469]

The Koch Brothers are libertarians and want less government. That is why the establishment is scared of their money.

To answer the OP title: the same monied interests that own the (D)s.

The Kochs are anti-establishment. Hence all the bed-wetting.

[PolWatch]

I think its laughable that the RNC is upset now. They sold out to the highest bidder....did they really think the owner wouldn't take possession of his property? I don't think that anyone should own their own political party....no matter what their politics. (I wonder how long it will be until the other party has a similar problem)

[Mac-7]

The only ones on the planet who didn't already know that are Mac GRC.

The next president will be either a democrat or a republican

On a board filled with happy fence sitters it looks like I'm the only one who knows that too

[sachem]

Bob?

[texan]

I have never been in either party, but let me say ANY INDIVIDUAL HERE that doesn't think both parties are controlled by a few sugar daddies is high on pot in Colorado.

Kochs are no bigger issue than Soros, Wall Street, the unions.................This universe is controlled by the few.

My philosophy is don't elect the ones that want more money from me to pour into the shit hole of no return. In other words screw both but more so the dems.

[Chris]

The next president will be either a democrat or a republican

On a board filled with happy fence sitters it looks like I'm the only one who knows that too


Say, liberal, you sure don't know the meaning of fence sitter, do you.

[Common]

The Koch brothers want to take procession of the GOP....looks like they bought & paid for it. Looks like it is about the money after all....oops

'The Republican National Committee’s data arm last year called it a “historic” occasion (https://storify.com/jonward11/what-rnc-and-koch-data-sharing-means) when it struck a deal to share voter information with the Koch brothers’ rapidly expanding political empire. It was an uneasy détente between the party committee, which views itself as the rightful standard-bearer for the GOP, and the behemoth funded by Charles and David Koch, which is free of the campaign finance restrictions (https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/limits.php) that bind the RNC (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67046.html) and plans to spend almost $900 million (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/koch-2016-spending-goal-114604.html) in the 2016 election cycle to elect a Republican to the White House.


Party leaders, including the current chief digital officer for the RNC, hailed the deal (http://news.yahoo.com/two-years-after-2012-elections--gop-tech-efforts-show-mixed-results-012608178.html) as an important step forward in the GOP’s attempt to modernize itself. But after the fall midterm elections, the deal was allowed to expire without being renewed. Since then, relations between the two sides have soured, turning into what one Republican operative described as “all-out war.” Interviews with more than three dozen people, including top decision-makers in both camps, have revealed that the Kochs’ i360 platform for managing voter contacts — which is viewed by many as a superior, easier-to-use interface than what’s on offer from the RNC — is becoming increasingly popular among Republican campaigns.


The RNC is now openly arguing, however, that the Kochs’ political operation is trying to control the Republican Party’s master voter file, and to gain influence over — some even say control of — the GOP. “I think it’s very dangerous and wrong to allow a group of very strong, well-financed individuals who have no accountability to anyone to have control over who gets access to the data when, why and how,” said Katie Walsh, the RNC’s chief of staff.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-koch-brothers-and-the-republican-party-go-to-121193159491.html

People with any savvy at all knew this was going on, now its getting more public

[texan]

People with any savvy at all knew this was going on, now its getting more public


LOL yeah you sound savvy! It isn't going on in both parties of course.........The people that buy things off are only spending money on republicans.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/bb/Head_up_ass.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140815174149

[Mac-7]

Say, liberal, you sure don't know the meaning of fence sitter, do you.

I didn't till I ran into you.

[gamewell45]

I have never been in either party, but let me say ANY INDIVIDUAL HERE that doesn't think both parties are controlled by a few sugar daddies is high on pot in Colorado.

Kochs are no bigger issue than Soros, Wall Street, the unions.................This universe is controlled by the few.

My philosophy is don't elect the ones that want more money from me to pour into the $#@! hole of no return. In other words screw both but more so the dems.

I got news for you Tex, unions (private sector) only make up 6.75% of all workers in this country, so It's highly unlikely they have the influence you might hope that they do (what about the other 93.25% of non-union workers???). The Koch's, Soros's and Wall Street are the real brokers when it comes to the political parties.

[Ransom]

Is he fighting with the GOP for ownership?

btw: trying to deflect the topic?

Uncanny how you can ask a question on these forums..... and you get one back for answer. In this case, PolWatch asked me two. Let me try again, maybe I missed the little squiggly line at the end. PolWatch, do you know who Tom Steyer is?

[Mac-7]

I got news for you Tex, unions (private sector) only make up 6.75% of all workers in this country, so It's highly unlikely they have the influence you might hope that they do (what about the other 93.25% of non-union workers???).

The Koch's, Soros's and Wall Street are the real brokers when it comes to the political parties.

And the lefties here prefer Soros and the dems.

But complain loudly about the competition they are getting from the Koch brothers.

[Professor Peabody]

I got news for you Tex, unions (private sector) only make up 6.75% of all workers in this country, so It's highly unlikely they have the influence you might hope that they do (what about the other 93.25% of non-union workers???). The Koch's, Soros's and Wall Street are the real brokers when it comes to the political parties.

Top Democrat Donors for Democrats 2008.

The SEIU donated $38,679,013, American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $14,433,786, United Food & Commercial Workers Union $8,304,178, Carpenters & Joiners Union $6,892,604, Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $6,019,417, Sheet Metal Workers Union $4,861,704, Teamsters Union $4,155,701, National Education Assn $3,869,506, Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $3,852,976, Laborers Union $3,595,198, American Federation of Teachers $3,633,955, International Assn of Fire Fighters $2,715,600, Communications Workers of America $3,093,385, Operating Engineers Union $2,645,950 and Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $2,917,542 round out the top 50 Democrat donors in just 2008.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=2008

[hanger4]

Top Democrat Donors for Democrats 2008.

The SEIU donated $38,679,013, American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $14,433,786, United Food & Commercial Workers Union $8,304,178, Carpenters & Joiners Union $6,892,604, Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $6,019,417, Sheet Metal Workers Union $4,861,704, Teamsters Union $4,155,701, National Education Assn $3,869,506, Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $3,852,976, Laborers Union $3,595,198, American Federation of Teachers $3,633,955, International Assn of Fire Fighters $2,715,600, Communications Workers of America $3,093,385, Operating Engineers Union $2,645,950 and Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $2,917,542 round out the top 50 Democrat donors in just 2008.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=2008
Don't be a throwin opensecrets at em Professor. It contains a language partisans find difficult to read.

[PolWatch]

It also lists donations from both parties....take your pick who to notice

[hanger4]

It also lists donations from both parties....take your pick who to notice

Quite true, quite true, but ain't it interesting how the Koch's 10 mil or so is MSM news and Steyer's 70 mil are not.

[PolWatch]

Quite true, quite true, but ain't it interesting how the Koch's 10 mil or so is MSM news and Steyer's 70 mil are not.

If its not news, then how do you know about it? Fox, perhaps?

[Mac-7]

If its not news, then how do you know about it? Fox, perhaps?

Its not the kind of news that low information libs are likely to hear on NPR.

[hanger4]

If its not news, then how do you know about it? Fox, perhaps?

Opensecerts you ol PolWatch. I don't do Fox, don't have cable or sat. tv.

[PolWatch]

uh-huh

[PolWatch]

I posted the site that this topic was posted on....and it was the Yahoo news feed....not MSN or even NPR. The idea that the RNC accepted $$$ and now finds itself in a fight for control of their organization was seen to be newsworthy. If there is an article that says the DNC is in the same situation, please post it. I would like to read about it.

Attacking the source or the poster because the report is unpleasant seems to be a way of diverting from the actual issue.

[Mac-7]

I posted the site that this topic was posted on....and it was the Yahoo news feed....not MSN or even NPR. The idea that the RNC accepted $$$ and now finds itself in a fight for control of their organization was seen to be newsworthy. If there is an article that says the DNC is in the same situation, please post it. I would like to read about it.

Attacking the source or the poster because the report is unpleasant seems to be a way of diverting from the actual issue.

There is no diversity of thought at the DNC.

Liberals think and move as one so what is there for them to fight about?

[PolWatch]

There is no diversity of thought at the DNC.

Liberals think and move as one so what is there for them to fight about?

and you wonder why so many respond to your posts with cartoons? You miss the subject so often its really sad....
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=JN.3i%2bmTm5TX2i9f7alopTP%2fg&w=206&h=206&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2

[Mac-7]

and you wonder why so many respond to your posts with cartoons? You miss the subject so often its really sad....
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=JN.3i%2bmTm5TX2i9f7alopTP%2fg&w=206&h=206&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2

The reason you need a cartoon to speak for you is because you are mentally lazy and lack imagination.

[gamewell45]

Top Democrat Donors for Democrats 2008.

The SEIU donated $38,679,013, American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $14,433,786, United Food & Commercial Workers Union $8,304,178, Carpenters & Joiners Union $6,892,604, Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $6,019,417, Sheet Metal Workers Union $4,861,704, Teamsters Union $4,155,701, National Education Assn $3,869,506, Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $3,852,976, Laborers Union $3,595,198, American Federation of Teachers $3,633,955, International Assn of Fire Fighters $2,715,600, Communications Workers of America $3,093,385, Operating Engineers Union $2,645,950 and Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $2,917,542 round out the top 50 Democrat donors in just 2008.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=2008

I also notice that some unions donated to republicans as well, so it must be a two-way street.

[Chris]

There is no diversity of thought at the DNC.

Liberals think and move as one so what is there for them to fight about?


This is an ironic post. It criticises liberals for thinking alike. But the aim of the criticism is to keep Reps in line and get others to think like Reps. --I won't dignify it with the word conservative, for a conservative would defend the right to freely express different opinions and ideas. And I question the use of liberal when from what I can see of these posts it just means those who disagree.

[PolWatch]

I also notice that some unions donated to republicans as well, so it must be a two-way street.

They all want to be 'friends' with the winner. Hedging their bets?

[Chris]

The reason you need a cartoon to speak for you is because you are mentally lazy and lack imagination.

I remember once on another forum I was criticized for using words. Words! As ridiculous as criticizing people for posting pictures or videos or links to articles and etc. This is what people do on a forum. Get over it already.

[Common Sense]

I remember once on another forum I was criticized for using words. Words! As ridiculous as criticizing people for posting pictures or videos or links to articles and etc. This is what people do on a forum. Get over it already.

Too many words. You should have used an emoticon. Get yer shit together.

[Mac-7]

I also notice that some unions donated to republicans as well, so it must be a two-way street.

Sure, $1 for repubs and $10 to $100 to the democrats.

[Chris]

Sure, $1 for repubs and $10 to $100 to the democrats.

From the link: Operating Engineers Union donated $361,673 to repubs.

[PolWatch]

Maybe that 10+ million donation from the pharma development organization has something to do with why the repubs are supporting Obama in the current trade deal? (the one that includes the patents issue)

[Mac-7]

From the link: Operating Engineers Union donated $361,673 to repubs.

yes and 7 times more to the dems.

[Mac-7]

Maybe that 10+ million donation from the pharma development organization has something to do with why the repubs are supporting Obama in the current trade deal? (the one that includes the patents issue)

And why is your fuhrer authoring the trade deal?

[PolWatch]

And why is your fuhrer authoring the trade deal?

lame, lamer, lamest......

[Mac-7]

lame, lamer, lamest......

You attack republicans for supporting the trade deal but have no words for the asshole who created it in the first place.

But he's your guy and repubs are not.

[PolWatch]

Why should I attack anyone? We are now in year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....consistency! If Obama had an 'r' behind his name you would be cheering.....

[zelmo1234]

Unlimited financial contributions don't come free. Do they really think people will give this much $$$ without expecting to control how it is spent?

I think that you are exactly right, Large Financial Contributions ALWAYS, come with expectations, I think that we can all agree on that!

This is why I am so happy that the GOP has the Koch Brothers.

The Clinton's get there massive donations from other governments, most of them middle eastern! Many not real friendly to the USA

So who would you rather own our President. American Business men or a Saudi Prince?

[Mac-7]

Why should I attack anyone? We are now in year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....consistency! If Obama had an 'r' behind his name you would be cheering.....

If Obama had an "r" by his name he would not be the leftist America hater that he is.

but being the divisive black community organizer that he is a "d" is the only thing he could have.

[zelmo1234]

This seems like it was entirely preventable to me. I'll never understand how the US parties/politicians can basically buy elections, or why the people seem to want to allow it either through indifference or support of $#@! like Citizens United.

It is really simple to get rid of Citizens United. Stop Taxing Business. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. This nations was built on and we fought a revolution over no taxation without representation. So the Democrats want the money and don't want to cut back on the free stuff for their voters

So corporations and businesses get to play in our political games.

[PolWatch]

I would rather our politicians be owned by the voters. Your statement is part of the problem (not just you, but all of us). We accept the expectation that someone will own our elected officials. Until we insist that the system change, we will continue with this farce....that politicians work for the public good.

They will never change the system because it benefits them....until we get off our lazy rears and make them change it will stay just the way it is.

Regarding your question about foreign or domestic ownership....do you really think that those American corps don't have foreign interests that control some of the decision making? Its 50% of one and 1/2 a dozen of the other.

[Mac-7]

I think that you are exactly right, Large Financial Contributions ALWAYS, come with expectations, I think that we can all agree on that!

This is why I am so happy that the GOP has the Koch Brothers.



That's really all PolWatch and the democrats are complaining about.

The Koch brothers are preventing a leftwing democrat monopoly of information to the voters

[zelmo1234]

I would rather our politicians be owned by the voters. Your statement is part of the problem (not just you, but all of us). We accept the expectation that someone will own our elected officials. Until we insist that the system change, we will continue with this farce....that politicians work for the public good.

They will never change the system because it benefits them....until we get off our lazy rears and make them change it will stay just the way it is.

Regarding your question about foreign or domestic ownership....do you really think that those American corps don't have foreign interests that control some of the decision making? Its 50% of one and 1/2 a dozen of the other.

I agree I just don't have a lot of time this morning and want to insert the foreign donations that the Democrats keep overlooking and want congress to stop looking into with Hillary. I just find if funny that they are always upset by the million and millions that come from the Koch's, but the Union, Soro's, Buffet, and foreign money flowing into the DNC

That is all good money!

[PolWatch]

Do you remember the arms race of the Cold War era? Both sides escalated to keep the other side in check. Same situation. Citizens United opened the door and the increase in donation limits in December propped that door open wider.

We have the best government money can buy....but most of us don't have enough $$$ to buy any.

[zelmo1234]

Do you remember the arms race of the Cold War era? Both sides escalated to keep the other side in check. Same situation. Citizens United opened the door and the increase in donation limits in December propped that door open wider.

We have the best government money can buy....but most of us don't have enough $$$ to buy any.

Come on? Citizens United Evened the playing field.

Until then the Unions were the dominate factor, and the money they pump into the elections make the Koch Money look like peanuts.

Plus do you remember all of the so called Charities like Code Pink, Acorn, Get out the vote that were nothing more that political advertising. Why do you think that the IRS was used to stop the TEA party from forming those groups.

You are crying wolf, but not addressing the problem that existed long before Citizens United.

The reason that the GOP is finally doing better in State elections is they can now match the money that once was dominated by the Democrats. That is the only reason there is such a fuss over all of this. The Democrats want to return to the days when only they had unlimited funds

[hanger4]

I posted the site that this topic was posted on....and it was the Yahoo news feed....not MSN or even NPR. The idea that the RNC accepted $$$ and now finds itself in a fight for control of their organization was seen to be newsworthy. If there is an article that says the DNC is in the same situation, please post it. I would like to read about it.

Attacking the source or the poster because the report is unpleasant seems to be a way of diverting from the actual issue.

Actualy PolWatch it's not a battle to control the Repub party, as Yahoo's Jon Ward implies, it's just a battle of data collection companies. GOP Data Center has worked many years with the RNC and i360 which Freedom Partners oversees wants in also. That means data sharing, which Mr. Ward would like you to believe is control of the Repub party. What Mr. Ward does't tell you is the DNC does the same with whomever yet that's not control of that party.

[Bob]

The Koch brothers want to take procession of the GOP....looks like they bought & paid for it. Looks like it is about the money after all....oops

'The Republican National Committee’s data arm last year called it a “historic” occasion (https://storify.com/jonward11/what-rnc-and-koch-data-sharing-means) when it struck a deal to share voter information with the Koch brothers’ rapidly expanding political empire. It was an uneasy détente between the party committee, which views itself as the rightful standard-bearer for the GOP, and the behemoth funded by Charles and David Koch, which is free of the campaign finance restrictions (https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/limits.php) that bind the RNC (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67046.html) and plans to spend almost $900 million (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/koch-2016-spending-goal-114604.html) in the 2016 election cycle to elect a Republican to the White House.


Party leaders, including the current chief digital officer for the RNC, hailed the deal (http://news.yahoo.com/two-years-after-2012-elections--gop-tech-efforts-show-mixed-results-012608178.html) as an important step forward in the GOP’s attempt to modernize itself. But after the fall midterm elections, the deal was allowed to expire without being renewed. Since then, relations between the two sides have soured, turning into what one Republican operative described as “all-out war.” Interviews with more than three dozen people, including top decision-makers in both camps, have revealed that the Kochs’ i360 platform for managing voter contacts — which is viewed by many as a superior, easier-to-use interface than what’s on offer from the RNC — is becoming increasingly popular among Republican campaigns.


The RNC is now openly arguing, however, that the Kochs’ political operation is trying to control the Republican Party’s master voter file, and to gain influence over — some even say control of — the GOP. “I think it’s very dangerous and wrong to allow a group of very strong, well-financed individuals who have no accountability to anyone to have control over who gets access to the data when, why and how,” said Katie Walsh, the RNC’s chief of staff.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-koch-brothers-and-the-republican-party-go-to-121193159491.html

MSNBC mocked this tirade by Harry Reid.

https://www.gop.com/msnbc-panel-spends-5-minutes-mocking-harry-reid-for-his-koch-brothers-hypocrisy/


https://www.gop.com/msnbc-panel-spends-5-minutes-mocking-harry-reid-for-his-koch-brothers-hypocrisy/

[Bob]

Come on? Citizens United Evened the playing field.

Until then the Unions were the dominate factor, and the money they pump into the elections make the Koch Money look like peanuts.

Plus do you remember all of the so called Charities like Code Pink, Acorn, Get out the vote that were nothing more that political advertising. Why do you think that the IRS was used to stop the TEA party from forming those groups.

You are crying wolf, but not addressing the problem that existed long before Citizens United.

The reason that the GOP is finally doing better in State elections is they can now match the money that once was dominated by the Democrats. That is the only reason there is such a fuss over all of this. The Democrats want to return to the days when only they had unlimited funds

Second reading Have to spread the truth

[Bob]

Maybe that 10+ million donation from the pharma development organization has something to do with why the repubs are supporting Obama in the current trade deal? (the one that includes the patents issue)

I always saw you as a loyal Obama supporter.

Paul Ryan just explained this in the AM. Ryan says he does not trust Obama and the deal he supports keeps Obama in check. He laid it all out. He says if Congress does not approve the deal made by Obama, they can simply block him.

[PolWatch]

Actualy PolWatch it's not a battle to control the Repub party, as Yahoo's Jon Ward implies, it's just a battle of data collection companies. GOP Data Center has worked many years with the RNC and i360 which Freedom Partners oversees wants in also. That means data sharing, which Mr. Ward would like you to believe is control of the Repub party. What Mr. Ward does't tell you is the DNC does the same with whomever yet that's not control of that party.

I think we have had a few threads about the data gathering issue...both by government and private business...which I have stated I don't like from anyone. I think my opposition to the PA is pretty well recorded here. This article is about seller's remorse. This is not about data gathering but who owns the data & decides how it is to be used.

The RNC accepted huge amounts of money to finance their data gathering and now the donor wants to control that data. If the DNC is having a problem with a donor wanting to control the data, where are the reports? Which DNC donor has pledged $900 million to buy the 2016 election? If republicans are not concerned about losing control of their party to individuals, its their choice.

If our government is for sale to the highest bidder, I want to know who owns it.

[PolWatch]

I always saw you as a loyal Obama supporter.

Paul Ryan just explained this in the AM. Ryan says he does not trust Obama and the deal he supports keeps Obama in check. He laid it all out. He says if Congress does not approve the deal made by Obama, they can simply block him.

Well, Bob....if anyone had any doubt about the accuracy of your observations & judgement ability, you just cleared it up.

[Bob]

From the link: Operating Engineers Union donated $361,673 to repubs.

The Operating Engineers supports the Democratic party.

From open secrets.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000139


The International Union of Operating Engineers represents heavy equipment operators, mechanics and surveyors in the construction industry, as well as operations and maintenance workers in building and industrial complexes. The union has more than 400,000 members and is one of the largest unions affiliated with the AFL-CIO. It is a strong supporter of Democrats, as evidenced through its PAC donations.

NOTE: Figures on this page include contributions and spending by affiliates (https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000139&cycle=2014#affiliates) of this organization.

CONTRIBUTIONS
$6,677,901
ranks 26 of 16,875
LOBBYING
$540,000 (2014)
$450,000 (2013)
ranks 604 of 4,072 in 2014
OUTSIDE SPENDING
$19,340
ranks 123 of 185

[Bob]

Well, Bob....if anyone had any doubt about the accuracy of your observations & judgement ability, you just cleared it up.

Did you get insulted? I did.

[zelmo1234]

I think we have had a few threads about the data gathering issue...both by government and private business...which I have stated I don't like from anyone. I think my opposition to the PA is pretty well recorded here. This article is about seller's remorse. This is not about data gathering but who owns the data & decides how it is to be used.


The RNC accepted huge amounts of money to finance their data gathering and now the donor wants to control that data. If the DNC is having a problem with a donor wanting to control the data, where are the reports? Which DNC donor has pledged $900 million to buy the 2016 election? If republicans are not concerned about losing control of their party to individuals, its their choice.

If our government is for sale to the highest bidder, I want to know who owns it.

Soro's through his various foundations will spend more than that. and he is the collector of the Data, he does not need to demand it

Same goes with the Unions they will spend much more and they too have all of the Data and information on their members as well.

What is happening is you are hating the player and not the Game

[Chris]

The Operating Engineers supports the Democratic party.

From open secrets.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000139



NOTE: Figures on this page include contributions and spending by affiliates (https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000139&cycle=2014#affiliates) of this organization.

And they support Reps. And with far more that a $1. LOL

[Bob]

I think we have had a few threads about the data gathering issue...both by government and private business...which I have stated I don't like from anyone. I think my opposition to the PA is pretty well recorded here. This article is about seller's remorse. This is not about data gathering but who owns the data & decides how it is to be used.

The RNC accepted huge amounts of money to finance their data gathering and now the donor wants to control that data. If the DNC is having a problem with a donor wanting to control the data, where are the reports? Which DNC donor has pledged $900 million to buy the 2016 election? If republicans are not concerned about losing control of their party to individuals, its their choice.

If our government is for sale to the highest bidder, I want to know who owns it.

I guess you fell for the Democrat spin is all i can think of.

[Bob]

And they support Reps. And with far more that a $1. LOL

I am not saying that they don't put come cash into some republican ...

But the operating engineers won't like you claiming they support republicans.

The bulk of their funds helps democrats.

[hanger4]

I think we have had a few threads about the data gathering issue...both by government and private business...which I have stated I don't like from anyone. I think my opposition to the PA is pretty well recorded here. This article is about seller's remorse. This is not about data gathering but who owns the data & decides how it is to be used.

The RNC accepted huge amounts of money to finance their data gathering and now the donor wants to control that data. If the DNC is having a problem with a donor wanting to control the data, where are the reports? Which DNC donor has pledged $900 million to buy the 2016 election? If republicans are not concerned about losing control of their party to individuals, its their choice.

If our government is for sale to the highest bidder, I want to know who owns it.

It's about technology and how to turn that into actionable data. i360 is competing with Data Center. The Obama campaign used https://www.ngpvan.com/ now it's https://www.ngpvan.com/smartvan Read the targetsmart (the smart of smartvan) bios http://targetsmartcommunications.com/

BTW there aren't stories of DNC ownership for two reasons. It's not ownership of the data, the data is shared with all party affiliates, it's the organisation of said data. Secondly the Koch name is the DNC bogey man.

[Ransom]

It also lists donations from both parties....take your pick who to notice

Eanie meanie minee moe it or just focus on the Right leaning money like you do?

Or like the majority in lockstep?

oops.

[PolWatch]

Eanie meanie minee moe it or just focus on the Right leaning money like you do?

Or like the majority in lockstep?

oops.

Fan-boy is back! Hiding from the medication nurse again?

[TrueBlue]

As the saying goes: "You get what you pay for!" Indeed, what they would be getting is nothing more than the failed policies of the past under Republicans. That cannot be good for America.

[MisterVeritis]

Why should I attack anyone? We are now in year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....consistency! If Obama had an 'r' behind his name you would be cheering.....
This is wrong and dishonest.

[Bob]

As the saying goes: "You get what you pay for!" Indeed, what they would be getting is nothing more than the failed policies of the past under Republicans. That cannot be good for America.

When Hillary smeared Obama, sure pissed you off didn't it?

Her campaign kicked off the Birther thing. But you now like her.

[Peter1469]

As the saying goes: "You get what you pay for!" Indeed, what they would be getting is nothing more than the failed policies of the past under Republicans. That cannot be good for America.

And democrats.

I fixed it for you. You're welcome. :wink:

[TrueBlue]

When Hillary smeared Obama, sure pissed you off didn't it?

Her campaign kicked off the Birther thing. But you now like her.
Bob, go back and sit down in your rocking chair and put a shawl on your legs already. You don't know what you're talking about. FYI, I was rooting for Hillary all the way! I was disappointed she did not receive the nomination but it did make her stronger for her run in 2016! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif

[Bob]

Bob, go back and sit down in your rocking chair and put a shawl on your legs already. You don't know what you're talking about. FYI, I was rooting for Hillary all the way! I was disappointed she did not receive the nomination but it did make her stronger for her run in 2016! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif

You don't recall her running down Obama?

I sure do. Stronger? She is about my age. I suppose you like we older types.

[TrueBlue]

You don't recall her running down Obama?

I sure do. Stronger? She is about my age. I suppose you like we older types.
What do you think such debates are for, Bob? If not to bring out the worst in a candidate. They both did that and so did the others.

And she is not about your age. Not even close. She is only 68 and you are 77 as you have said before in this forum. She is not old. She is experienced in many areas that will serve her well when she assumes the presidency in 2016.

[Peter1469]

lol

Hillary is a milk toast. Mitt has more personality.

[Bob]

What do you think such debates are for, Bob? If not to bring out the worst in a candidate. They both did that and so did the others.

And she is not about your age. Not even close. She is only 68 and you are 77 as you have said before in this forum. She is not old. She is experienced in many areas that will serve her well when she assumes the presidency in 2016.

Well, I said in August I will hit 77. She is close enough to be called old. First time I got called old was when i was perhaps 35. My step daughter says with a laugh, you are so old you fart dust. She is not far behind being 60 today.

At least you are confident.

When Nixon won, I had voted for his opponent. And I was like you will be. I was very upset Nixon won. You will be super upset when the republican wins. Hillary has more actual experience at this point than Obama had his first time. Obama is stuck in low gear. He shows how little he learned on the job.

She was the wife of a governor, but she had not governed. She has ran a large department though to give her credit. And look at the mess she made of that.

She has to testify more on a super tragic event she simply wanted to brush off as she talked to Congress.

I recall that as a Democrat, I was every bit the party loyalist you are. I understand in other words.

I did not just flip on some candidate, I found the flaws of the Democrats so took off.

[Bob]

Bob, go back and sit down in your rocking chair and put a shawl on your legs already. You don't know what you're talking about. FYI, I was rooting for Hillary all the way! I was disappointed she did not receive the nomination but it did make her stronger for her run in 2016! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif

Return for point

Suppose I had talked just like that to you??????????????

I bet you would sound like the local fire truck siren.

[Tahuyaman]

Fan-boy is back! Hiding from the medication nurse again?


I thought mods did not engage In trolling or personal attacks?

[Tahuyaman]

lol

Hillary is a milk toast. Mitt has more personality.

Romney's not going to be there this year, but it's going to be interesting to see how the media creates this notion that Hilliary Clinton is the likable lady who lives next door.

[PolWatch]

I thought mods did not engage In trolling or personal attacks?

Hint: mods are posters.....but all posters are not mods. Report if you think a violation has occurred. keep your partisan posse remarks to topics.

[Tahuyaman]

Her campaign kicked off the Birther thing. But you now like her.

I think you're right.

[Tahuyaman]

Hint: mods are posters.....but all posters are not mods. Report if you think a violation has occurred. keep your partisan posse remarks to topics.


My question to you was translated as partisan? How so?

[hanger4]

Sorry PolWatch it seems your informative thread has degenerated to a partisan piss match.

[Captain Obvious]

Sorry @PolWatch (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1099) it seems your informative thread has degenerated to a partisan piss match.

That never happens around her, eh...

[gamewell45]

yes and 7 times more to the dems.

Yet in 2014, the Elliot Management gave $14,165,372 to repubs and $7,450 to dems.

[hanger4]

That never happens around her, eh...

Happens with everyone. Tis tough not trading snark for snark. And some posters make it even tougher.

[Mac-7]

And they support Reps. And with far more that a $1. LOL

$316,000 to the repubs

$2,700,000 for the democrats.

[Tahuyaman]

$316,000 to the repubs

$2,700,000 for the democrats.

That's pretty balanced.

[Mac-7]

Sorry @PolWatch (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1099) it seems your informative thread has degenerated to a partisan piss match.

It was partisan from the beginning.

[Ransom]

Fan-boy is back! Hiding from the medication nurse again?

In lockstep with others who name call or mock because they're having their hats handed to them in a debate forum. Carry on.

[Mac-7]

Yet in 2014, the Elliot Management gave $14,165,372 to repubs and $7,450 to dems.




The difference is I never made a bullshit claim that private sector companies are not partisan the way Chris is doing with the unions.

[hanger4]

Yet in 2014, the Elliot Management gave $14,165,372 to repubs and $7,450 to dems.



You can pick and chose for a point till your fingers bleed from typing. Totals known spent on the 2014 midterms and state and local elections was around 4 billion. Which was about split equally.

[Mac-7]

In lockstep with others who name call or mock because they're having their hats handed to them in a debate forum. Carry on.

In PolWatch we have an umpire who also pitches for the opposing team.

[hanger4]

It was partisan from the beginning.

Then stick to the facts without injecting even more hackery.

[TrueBlue]

Well, I said in August I will hit 77. She is close enough to be called old. First time I got called old was when i was perhaps 35. My step daughter says with a laugh, you are so old you fart dust. She is not far behind being 60 today.

At least you are confident.

When Nixon won, I had voted for his opponent. And I was like you will be. I was very upset Nixon won. You will be super upset when the republican wins. Hillary has more actual experience at this point than Obama had his first time. Obama is stuck in low gear. He shows how little he learned on the job.

She was the wife of a governor, but she had not governed. She has ran a large department though to give her credit. And look at the mess she made of that.

She has to testify more on a super tragic event she simply wanted to brush off as she talked to Congress.

I recall that as a Democrat, I was every bit the party loyalist you are. I understand in other words.

I did not just flip on some candidate, I found the flaws of the Democrats so took off.
Bob, get over it already. You talk as if the Republicans were so pristine that they can be considered being the picture of perfection plus when nothing could be farther from the truth.

Republicans have tried time and time and again to repeal Obamacare and yet have failed to do that. They tried not only once which would have sufficed but, in effect, they have tried 33 times and to No Avail! Time wasters they are. Time Wasters.

And about Hillary testifying. That is a real travesty that Republicans have also had her there time and time and again and yet have found NOTHING. Because there is NOTHING there to find. All they do is take up good time they should be using to be helping the citizens of this country. Instead, they prefer to hold hearings on Hillary but it is not so much for what they perceive she might have done as much as because she is running for president and they are running quite scared of that knowing that she will win and literally trounce her Republican opponent. Thus, they want to run her down with hearings and anything else they can. That can only mean she is a great candidate to have to reckon with.

And talk about Republican "messes". You need to read this.

Will Republicans Finally Admit George W. Bush was One of the Worst Presidents in History?
By Allen Clifton

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/will-republicans-finally-admit-bush-one-worst-presidents-history/

"Republicans, just finally admit it: Electing George W. Bush was one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made."

The worst thing the GOP has ever done?
By Steve Benen

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_worst_thing_the_gop_has_ev031366.php

"And while I’m open to suggestion on this, I still think there’s something unique about the Republicans holding the full faith and credit of the United States hostage, threatening to impose a catastrophe on all of us, on purpose, to achieve a specific (and unnecessary) policy goal. What’s more, note that no elected GOP officials — literally, not one — ever stood up during this process to say, “Wait, this is wrong. We shouldn’t do this.” They all just went along."

[magicmike]

I thought mods did not engage In trolling or personal attacks?

Lol. Just not as much as you, troll.

[hanger4]

Bob, get over it already. You talk as if the Republicans were so pristine that they can be considered being the picture of perfection plus when nothing could be farther from the truth.

Republicans have tried time and time and again to repeal Obamacare and yet have failed to do that. They tried not only once which would have sufficed but, in effect, they have tried 33 times and to No Avail! Time wasters they are. Time Wasters.

And about Hillary testifying. That is a real travesty that Republicans have also had her there time and time and again and yet have found NOTHING. Because there is NOTHING there to find. All they do is take up good time they should be using to be helping the citizens of this country. Instead, they prefer to hold hearings on Hillary but it is not so much for what they perceive she might have done as much as because she is running for president and they are running quite scared of that knowing that she will win and literally trounce her Republican opponent. Thus, they want to run her down with hearings and anything else they can. That can only mean she is a great candidate to have to reckon with.

And talk about Republican "messes". You need to read this.

Will Republicans Finally Admit George W. Bush was One of the Worst Presidents in History?
By Allen Clifton

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/will-republicans-finally-admit-bush-one-worst-presidents-history/


The worst thing the GOP has ever done?
By Steve Benen

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_worst_thing_the_gop_has_ev031366.php
A LWNJ spouting hackery from LWNJ blog sites.

Who knew ...... LOL

[magicmike]

In lockstep with others who name call or mock because they're having their hats handed to them in a debate forum. Carry on.

Sounds like the resident trolls Mr D, Capt O, Taly, GRC, CChtulu and of course Bob.

[Tahuyaman]

Lol. Just not as much as you, troll.

What was your intention with that comment?

[magicmike]

A LWNJ spouting hackery from LWNJ blog sites.

Who knew ...... LOL

Says the kool aid sniffer who's convinced an 11 year olds parents were arrested because they merely left him at home...all top notch news provided by two extremist blogs and tons of conspiracy sites.

Hypocrite.

[Mister D]

Sounds like the resident trolls Mr D, Capt O, Taly, GRC, CChtulu and of course Bob.
Captain Obvious a homo scorned redux

[Mac-7]

Then stick to the facts without injecting even more hackery.

Who says I haven't stuck to the facts at least as much as the gentlefolk on the liberal side?

they were making snide comments about me before I made my first post.




Originally Posted by Crepitus
The only ones on the planet who didn't already know that are Mac GRC.
The next president will be either a democrat or a republican


On a board filled with happy fence sitters it looks like I'm the only one who knows that too

[Tahuyaman]

Sounds like the resident trolls Mr D, Capt O, Taly, GRC, CChtulu and of course Bob.

I think it's kind of humorous that this guy is calling anyone a troll.

[Captain Obvious]

@Captain Obvious (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=3) a homo scorned redux

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/61956114.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

I think it's kind of humorous that this guy is calling anyone a troll.

Mike has no self control and is a complete hypocrite.

[Tahuyaman]

Mike has no self control and is a complete hypocrite.

But he thinks highly of himself, so at least he's got that gong for him.

[hanger4]

Says the kool aid sniffer who's convinced an 11 year olds parents were arrested because they merely left him at home...all top notch news provided by two extremist blogs and tons of conspiracy sites.

Hypocrite.

I do ?? Don't believe I posted in that thread magicmike If you try a little more substance and a lot less partisan hackery in your posts ya might look a lot less silly.

[hanger4]

Who says I haven't stuck to the facts at least as much as the gentlefolk on the liberal side?

they were making snide comments about me before I made my

Never said you weren't, just said "stick" to them. Your snark begets snark and their snark begets snark. Be a pro and break the circle.

[Mac-7]

Never said you weren't, just said "stick" to them. Your snark begets snark and their snark begets snark. Be a pro and break the circle.

I never supported the idea of unilateral disarmament.

Maybe if you lectured PolWatch and the other liberals first...

[hanger4]

I never supported the idea of unilateral disarmament.

Maybe if you lectured PolWatch and the other liberals first...

You know what's even more disarming ?? Snarkless facts. Snark is just a childs game of gotcha. The real game is gotcha with facts.

[Chris]

Never said you weren't, just said "stick" to them. Your snark begets snark and their snark begets snark. Be a pro and break the circle.


Green Arrow, nomination for POTD!

[Chris]

In lockstep with others who name call or mock because they're having their hats handed to them in a debate forum. Carry on.

It's about time you admitted you are in lockstep, ransom, you old fence sitter.

[Mac-7]

You know what's even more disarming ?? Snarkless facts. Snark is just a childs game of gotcha. The real game is gotcha with facts.

With partisan liberal democrats facts go in one ear and out the other.

They are still trying to tell us that the unions make balanced donations to both parties when I demonstrated otherwise.

[Chris]

With partisan liberal democrats facts go in one ear and out the other.

They are still trying to tell us that the unions make balanced donations to both parties when I demonstrated otherwise.

No one claimed that. And you were the one claimed a union donated only $1. So much for facts.

[PolWatch]

2014 figures look like business bought a lot more repub than unions bought dem

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php





Grand Total
Democrats
Republicans
Dem %
Repub %


Business
$383,631,898
$143,476,346
$240,014,986
37%
63%


Labor
$59,997,617
$53,316,878
$6,562,782
89%
11%


Ideological
$82,714,733
$37,293,963
$45,305,586
45%
55%


Other
$757,044
$487,844
$268,200
65%
35%

[Mac-7]

No one claimed that. And you were the one claimed a union donated only $1. So much for facts.

You seriously misunderstood that post.

[zelmo1234]

As the saying goes: "You get what you pay for!" Indeed, what they would be getting is nothing more than the failed policies of the past under Republicans. That cannot be good for America.

Just Two questions today?

If the policies of the past failed (the Republican one) Which ones were they?

Second if the policies under republicans are as bad as you say? Why is it that the people were doing better under the last presidents administration that they are under this one?

[Common]

Just Two questions today?

If the policies of the past failed (the Republican one) Which ones were they?

Second if the policies under republicans are as bad as you say? Why is it that the people were doing better under the last presidents administration that they are under this one?

Umm bush crashed everything and walked out the door with the first 700 million bailout and the economy soared to the basement.

[zelmo1234]

The difference is I never made a bull$#@! claim that private sector companies are not partisan the way Chris is doing with the unions.

I missed a lot of posts but the only reason that the Unions donate to the republicans at all is because members can demand that there dues go to the opposition.

However, If will be interesting to see if Hilary actually comes out with a position on the Pacific trade agreements so for the no comment is working for her so far.

[zelmo1234]

2014 figures look like business bought a lot more repub than unions bought dem

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php




Grand Total
Democrats
Republicans
Dem %
Repub %


Business
$383,631,898
$143,476,346
$240,014,986
37%
63%


Labor
$59,997,617
$53,316,878
$6,562,782
89%
11%


Ideological
$82,714,733
$37,293,963
$45,305,586
45%
55%


Other
$757,044
$487,844
$268,200
65%
35%




That does not surprise me, Mid terms are not usually where Unions like to play

[zelmo1234]

Umm bush crashed everything and walked out the door with the first 700 million bailout and the economy soared to the basement.

What caused the housing collapse again?????? I don't think you cam blame those policies on Bush???


Going to need to see just what you think causes the housing collapse?

[PolWatch]

I missed a lot of posts but the only reason that the Unions donate to the republicans at all is because members can demand that there dues go to the opposition.

However, If will be interesting to see if Hilary actually comes out with a position on the Pacific trade agreements so for the no comment is working for her so far.

That's easier than having to explain why she did/didn't support it. Her support of the invasion of Iraq is still biting her in the rear....

Political theme song for any/all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8ajhu_e5Y

[zelmo1234]

That's easier than having to explain why she did/didn't support it. Her support of the invasion of Iraq is still biting her in the rear....

Political theme song for any/all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8ajhu_e5Y


Of course she is playing a great game right now, She is trying to do what Obama did, Instead of Hope and change it is I am going to be the champion of the little guy.

[Common]

What caused the housing collapse again?????? I don't think you cam blame those policies on Bush???


Going to need to see just what you think causes the housing collapse?

During the 8 bush years, we spent in the Trillion in wars, outsourcing raged during the bush years.
The economy crashed during the bush years and yes the housing crash was bushs.

In every speech he promoted the american dream is attainable for everyone. He KNEW and allowed it to go on

[Chris]

That's easier than having to explain why she did/didn't support it. Her support of the invasion of Iraq is still biting her in the rear....

Political theme song for any/all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8ajhu_e5Y



http://i.snag.gy/yALbe.jpg


:D

[birddog]

During the 8 bush years, we spent in the Trillion in wars, outsourcing raged during the bush years.
The economy crashed during the bush years and yes the housing crash was bushs.

In every speech he promoted the american dream is attainable for everyone. He KNEW and allowed it to go on

Clinton caused the recession that started during the Bush years, and Obama has had the slowest recovery from a recession since WWII.

You continue to be wrong and laughable. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Mac-7]

In every speech he promoted the american dream is attainable for everyone. He KNEW and allowed it to go on

I'm with you on that.

Bush tried very hard to prove he had a heart by pandering to the government wipe-every-nose crowd.

[PolWatch]

http://i.snag.gy/yALbe.jpg


:D

you do know that started as an anti-litter campaign slogan?

[Ransom]

After the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United ruling, Democrats predicted a flood of corporate political donations to Republican candidates, but that doesn’t seem to be what’s happening.

No kidding?


The list is based on “donations from employees of the organization, its PAC, and in some cases its own treasury,” including “all campaign contributions to federal candidates, parties, political action committees [including super PACs], federal 527 organizations, and Carey committees.”Of the 50 organizations on the list, 31 are either corporations or trade associations, and 16 are labor unions; and while labor unions predictably gave the vast majority of their money to Democratic and liberal groups, corporations did not evince the favoritism toward Republican and conservative causes that Democrats had foretold.
As of October 25, corporate donations to Democrats and liberals totaled about $136 million, compared to about $98 million for Republican and conservative recipients. Labor unions, on the other hand, gave $119 million to Democrats, but less than $3 million to Republicans.

Well then....who owns the Democrat Party, who is giving all this money?


For the most part, corporations tended to spread their donations more or less evenly between Republicans and Democrats, albeit with a few notable exceptions.


The top donor on the list (by far) was Fahr LLC, which gave all of its nearly $74 million to Democrats. This is not terribly surprising given that Fahr is owned by Tom Steyer, who is well known for his support of the Democratic Party


Everyone knows a Koch.....no one knows a Steyer. Wonder why that is. Here is who owns you Libs.


http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/largest-corporate-donors-favor-dems-this-election-cycle/#ixzz3cslZdFnR

[zelmo1234]

During the 8 bush years, we spent in the Trillion in wars, outsourcing raged during the bush years.
The economy crashed during the bush years and yes the housing crash was bushs.

In every speech he promoted the american dream is attainable for everyone. He KNEW and allowed it to go on

Well that is very nice but why did the Democrats ignore the warnings As a matter of fact the two Democratic leaders Christopher I got a 1% mortgage Dodd, and Barney the Banking Queen Franks Said that Bush was Racist for wanting to investigate the lending policies of Fannie And Freddie.

http://elenaives.com/attempts-president-bush-reform-fannie-mae-freddie-mac/

We also know that the policies that forced the banks to loan to people that could not pay it back were started by Carter and given teeth by Clinton

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2011/10/24/jimmy-carter-bill-clinton-janet-reno-to-blame-for-mortgage-mess-704

But Bush was President so you are correct.

Which means that Obama has some splainen and Ricky would say to do.

Because it was under his watch that the Middle Class Was destroyed, the rich benefited from a fire sale. We lost 2 wars and became the laughing stock of the world.

Now lets talk about the deficits, 496 billion was the worst that Bush had. The policies of the Democrats and this administration have not gotten within 300 billion of that

Common, what you believe is based in mythology, and not reality. The facts are screaming a different story, and those on the left are choosing to ignore it

[Chris]

No kidding?



Well then....who owns the Democrat Party, who is giving all this money?



Everyone knows a Koch.....no one knows a Steyer. Wonder why that is. Here is who owns you Libs.


http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/largest-corporate-donors-favor-dems-this-election-cycle/#ixzz3cslZdFnR



Basically the same people as own the Republicans. This person might own more Dems, that more Reps, but it's all the same people...and it ain't us.

[Chris]

you do know that started as an anti-litter campaign slogan?

Yes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlFD0Zyl_f0

[PolWatch]

Basically the same people as own the Republicans. This person might own more Dems, that more Reps, but it's all the same people...and it ain't us.

I give up. People are so busy defending the Koch brothers they never notice that I'm complaining about all of the big donors buying our politicians. I don't know how to make it any plainer....it doesn't matter who owns our government....it should be the citizens and not big corps, unions or rich individuals. It doesn't matter if you agree with their goals or not. The story about the RNC and the data fight is just the beginning. Eventually these people will quit pretending to let us have a say in our government. They bought it.....they own it.....they run it however they want. Decisions by SCOTUS that allow huge PACs mean we don't even have the right to know who owns our government.

[Chris]

The Kochs own the Libertarians anyways. :P

[Chris]

I give up. People are so busy defending the Koch brothers they never notice that I'm complaining about all of the big donors buying our politicians. I don't know how to make it any plainer....it doesn't matter who owns our government....it should be the citizens and not big corps, unions or rich individuals. It doesn't matter if you agree with their goals or not. The story about the RNC and the data fight is just the beginning. Eventually these people will quit pretending to let us have a say in our government. They bought it.....they own it.....they run it however they want. Decisions by SCOTUS that allow huge PACs mean we don't even have the right to know who owns our government.



Your point is clear as a mountain stream, just that some want to muddy waters.

[Bob]

Bob, get over it already. You talk as if the Republicans were so pristine that they can be considered being the picture of perfection plus when nothing could be farther from the truth.

Republicans have tried time and time and again to repeal Obamacare and yet have failed to do that. They tried not only once which would have sufficed but, in effect, they have tried 33 times and to No Avail! Time wasters they are. Time Wasters.

And about Hillary testifying. That is a real travesty that Republicans have also had her there time and time and again and yet have found NOTHING. Because there is NOTHING there to find. All they do is take up good time they should be using to be helping the citizens of this country. Instead, they prefer to hold hearings on Hillary but it is not so much for what they perceive she might have done as much as because she is running for president and they are running quite scared of that knowing that she will win and literally trounce her Republican opponent. Thus, they want to run her down with hearings and anything else they can. That can only mean she is a great candidate to have to reckon with.

And talk about Republican "messes". You need to read this.

Will Republicans Finally Admit George W. Bush was One of the Worst Presidents in History?
By Allen Clifton

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/will-republicans-finally-admit-bush-one-worst-presidents-history/


The worst thing the GOP has ever done?
By Steve Benen

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_worst_thing_the_gop_has_ev031366.php

Republicans are not pristine. You can't show me any posts with me saying that.

Obama care is a travesty. While a few laws could have been passed to stop insurance companies from refusing to take you if you are presently ill, you don't punish the entire country to fix that problem. Having adults on the parents policy up to 26 is not even done on auto insurance policies. That is to deliver a placebo to the public.

It is pure rule by force. It was ruled legal using flawed law. I realize that is my opinion and I only offer that of the 9 Justices, all skilled lawyers, 4 agree with me or vice versa. They got it correct.

Obama will try again to get his law passed letting him negotiate deals in secret no matter his own party intends to s top him. This is normal.

They found plenty about Hillary. she shows up but refuses to tell the truth.

Hillary has that sort of demeanor that gets her beat. Obama showed the way to beat her.

There is plenty to harp on concerning G. W. Bush. I call him a good leader. As to the two wars, there were other options. It is not clear what option he should have taken, but he was decisive and managed to accomplish his mission. I can't think of a mission Obama accomplished. The health act was done in the house and Senate and came to us by blocking all republican efforts to insert fixes. This is why republicans want all of the law killed.

You don't watch CSPAN from the looks of things. I watched the many bloody hearings conducted by Democrats where they conducted business in Congress as if the Republicans were not even in the same rooms. Shameful how Democrats blocked all republican offerings.

What was accomplished is maybe 10 million Americans were forced under penalty by the IRS to purchase insurance. And a lot of people can't afford insurance and still got no help from the Feds.

Obama's goal was 60 million but he got maybe 10 million on insurance.

[PolWatch]

The Kochs own the Libertarians anyways. :P

It looks like they own the RNC data and with 900 million for 2016, they will own the White House too. Hope you trust 'em.

[Mac-7]

I give up. People are so busy defending the Koch brothers they never notice that I'm complaining about all of the big donors buying our politicians. I don't know how to make it any plainer....it doesn't matter who owns our government....it should be the citizens and not big corps, unions or rich individuals. It doesn't matter if you agree with their goals or not. The story about the RNC and the data fight is just the beginning. Eventually these people will quit pretending to let us have a say in our government. They bought it.....they own it.....they run it however they want. Decisions by SCOTUS that allow huge PACs mean we don't even have the right to know who owns our government.

There are a lot of stupid people in this country.

Many do dot even speak English but they get to vote.

Meanwhile the central government just grows and grows.

And because its big and powerful powerful men want to control the government.

Its a lousy situation but I think its going to get worse rather than better.

[Ransom]

If the Kochs run the RNC, who runs the DNC?

[Ransom]

There are a lot of stupid people in this country.

Many do dot even speak English but they get to vote.

Meanwhile the central government just grows and grows.

And because its big and powerful powerful men want to control the government.

Its a lousy situation but I think its going to get worse rather than better.

You could have ended this post with its' first ten words.

[Ransom]

Who knows Farh LLC? When has it ever come up on these forums? When do you hear it on the media outlets? The link I provided says this is the largest contributor.... by far..... and no one knows who they are, who Tom Steyer is, where Dems are getting their money, no one cares. We are here outraged at 'All' monies in political campaigns, we're merely going to use the dude in 9th place, forget the grand prize winner and don't expect anyone to claim that Steyer owns the DNC, no one is EVER going to make that claim and that's because we're all in lockstep here, we're concerned with 'all monies.' Kochs are always the best example and what not.......

Left, left, left, right, left.

[zelmo1234]

It looks like they own the RNC data and with 900 million for 2016, they will own the White House too. Hope you trust 'em.

Like I said better that the Saudis, Russian, and a host of other non friendlies that have been purchasing the rights to Hillary.

[hanger4]

Your point is clear as a mountain stream, just that some want to muddy waters.
Her point is clear but her OP and point are at odds with each other. Mr. Ward wrote a Repub/Koch hit piece implying some kind of ownership while ignoring the DNC's voter data tech.

[Professor Peabody]

Don't be a throwin opensecrets at em Professor. It contains a language partisans find difficult to read.

I was just responding to a post boss.

[Professor Peabody]

I also notice that some unions donated to republicans as well, so it must be a two-way street.

Gamey, look at the numbers again, they are a tiny fraction given to Democrats.:rollseyes:

[Mac-7]

Gamey, look at the numbers again, they are a tiny fraction given to Democrats.:rollseyes:

I have answered that question for them several times.

but libs insist that $300k given to repubs is just as good as $2.7 million going to democrats.

[Professor Peabody]

I have answered that question for them several times.

but libs insist that $300k given to repubs is just as good as $2.7 million going to democrats.

It's what makes them the tools they are.

[Chris]

I have answered that question for them several times.

but libs insist that $300k given to repubs is just as good as $2.7 million going to democrats.



No one said that, mac, stop making things up, will ya.