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donttread
06-21-2015, 07:57 PM
If you don't want to call it science how about real world evidence? Rather than just spewing out what your parents taught you about politics or your favorite talking head or neighbor says what can you back it up with? I talked about this a lot lately in regards to interventionism , gun control and prohibition. However shouldn't the citizens of a modern nation be able to back up their political positions with some sort of evidence and thereby force there leaders to do the same? For example ,have standing government policies that you support accomplished their stated goals? Hell have they even moved things in the right direction towards those stated goals?
1) Has the "war on drugs" decreased drug availability and usage? What evidence can you site either way?
2) Has the "War on poverty" decreased poverty? What evidence can you site either way?
3) Has the "War on Terror" decreased the number of terrorist, terrorist strongholds or anti-American sentiment? What evidence can you site either way?
4) Have gun control policies and "gun free zones" done more good or more harm? What empirical data can you show either way?
5) Or you could evaluate government spending , debt and weapons provision/ foreign aid or any other of a multitude of topics.
Please , and this is key, if you start to read this and cannot come up with data to support your position don't just get pissed off and say "fuck off Donttread" . For example if you support prohibition but any available real world evidence shows it does not work you don't have to immediately change your POV, you could propose a new way of trying to work prohibition that might be more effective.
You wouldn't take a heart medication unbacked by science and often research the data before purchasing a new car or even a set of golf clubs. If a plan at your business or place of employment has been in effect for 20 years at some point you have probably changed that plan, eliminated it, stuck with it, or expanded it based upon actual results.
Why should government programs and political pathways be vetted any less scientifically?
I an first and foremost a Constitutionist but believe that our secondary guideline for public policy should be whether said public policy can be shown to work or not. This could also be the basis to construct Constitutional Amendments.
Thoughts?? Facts? New ideas?

donttread
06-21-2015, 09:46 PM
Seventeen views and not a single comment. As though the very idea of running government programs based on some sort of empirical evaluatory process is so foreign as not be comprehended

zelmo1234
06-21-2015, 09:52 PM
Seventeen views and not a single comment. As though the very idea of running government programs based on some sort of empirical evaluatory process is so foreign as not be comprehended

Posting the science on a Sunday evening is tuff :)

Brett Nortje
06-22-2015, 05:11 AM
The most obvious science that backs up leaders and parties is psychology. if the party has a message, then they need to back it up with social norms and targets among other things. if the leaders were to offer a drop in taxes, then it would be economics. then there is the science of law, and, as we know, most leaders are ex lawyers, except for some actor guy that got shot. how about geography - knowing where the best routes for trade are, and where the best sites for military installations, among other things, would allow you to use google maps to make quite a nice place to base your warehouses or economic incentives to village people or city dwellers. obamacare could have been better applied if the leaders were aware of the effects of drugs or prices of drugs, or even the alternaties for generics and stuff, as, everyone is out to make a quick buck, yes?

Now, i think it is safe to say that all sciences are important in leading a country, and, all sciences have heads of departments to make sure that the leaders are informed of these things. as it stands, it could be better, but it is in safe hands.

I saw your thread about psychology, and, this could be one of the better sciences to be fluent in.

Mac-7
06-22-2015, 06:22 AM
The traffic laws have not stopped deaths from auto accidents.

Should we do away those laws too?

donttread
06-22-2015, 07:42 AM
The traffic laws have not stopped deaths from auto accidents.

Should we do away those laws too?

I think you're wrong. ?For example DWI laws have reduces highway deaths and therefore are, at least by that measure, effective. You see how easy it is to show when something actually works

Mac-7
06-22-2015, 07:44 AM
I think you're wrong. ?For example DWI laws have reduces highway deaths and therefore are, at least by that measure, effective. You see how easy it is to show when something actually works

And anti drug laws reduce the number of individuals using drugs.

Chris
06-22-2015, 08:02 AM
Politics is the art of the possible. Promises, little more.

donttread
06-22-2015, 04:12 PM
And anti drug laws reduce the number of individuals using drugs.

No they don't. Drug use and the variety of drugs and their regular availability to everyfuckingone everyfuckingwhere , anyfuckingtime have all increased since we declared war on drugs as have OD's, gang funding and sales turf related murders. You see how easy it is to tell when something does not work?