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Green Arrow
06-26-2015, 05:58 PM
So, Safety and I decided to have a discussion about white privilege. I've seen posts of his in the past where he appears to believe white privilege is a thing. I have my reasons for not really believing it is a thing anymore (though I absolutely do not dispute that it was once a thing). I'm open to being proven wrong on this, however, hence this discussion.

So, Safety, that's my opening statement. You now have the floor.

Safety
06-26-2015, 07:56 PM
Thank you for the opportunity to discuss this topic, Green Arrow. Before we begin, can we make sure that we are on the same page in regards to terminology and sources allowed?

Some terms I may reference:

Conservative - not necessary the conservative platform, but quotes and comments from self-identified conservative members, not members "called" conservative.
Liberal - not necessary the liberal platform (if there is one), but quotes and comments from self-identified liberal members, not members "called" liberal.

I would like to include sources like Wikipedia and internet links that are verified by a reference to any periodical or book.

And obviously I would like to be able to reference posts made here and on other internet forums.

Green Arrow
06-27-2015, 02:16 PM
Thank you for the opportunity to discuss this topic, @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868). Before we begin, can we make sure that we are on the same page in regards to terminology and sources allowed?

Some terms I may reference:

Conservative - not necessary the conservative platform, but quotes and comments from self-identified conservative members, not members "called" conservative.
Liberal - not necessary the liberal platform (if there is one), but quotes and comments from self-identified liberal members, not members "called" liberal.

I would like to include sources like Wikipedia and internet links that are verified by a reference to any periodical or book.

And obviously I would like to be able to reference posts made here and on other internet forums.

I don't see any reason why not. Feel free.

Safety
06-27-2015, 03:09 PM
So, when talking about white privilege, we should make note that whites are the majority in the country. We should also make note that just because something is described as white privilege, it doesn't mean necessary that it's a "get out of jail free" card or that you will even notice when it is used. It is also more so an "understanding" that you should act or behave a certain way.

I think it stems from a moment in our society where this country was "founded" by Europeans and African slavery was brought into the mix. There was a system of white supremacy ideology that laid the framework for what our current laws are based off of. There is also evidence of this when reading the letters of secession that each state drafted to justify their leaving of the Union.

I will pause here so that it doesn't get to complex and give you a chance to discuss.

Green Arrow
06-28-2015, 07:58 PM
So, white privilege, then, is the inherent advantage white people have just by being born white, but that doesn't necessarily mean all white people will benefit?

Safety
06-28-2015, 08:46 PM
So, white privilege, then, is the inherent advantage white people have just by being born white, but that doesn't necessarily mean all white people will benefit?

In my opinion, yes, because it is just a "perk" of being the majority. It's like, not having to explain things like "why blacks have a gap between their teeth" to being a "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".

Then there's also the case like this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg&sns=em

Green Arrow
06-28-2015, 09:00 PM
In my opinion, yes, because it is just a "perk" of being the majority. It's like, not having to explain things like "why blacks have a gap between their teeth" to being a "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".

Then there's also the case like this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg&sns=em

That video would seem to illustrate blonde female privilege too, not that I can blame them :tongue:

Safety
06-28-2015, 09:38 PM
That video would seem to illustrate blonde female privilege too, not that I can blame them :tongue:

LoL, that's for a whole different discussion....

Green Arrow
06-29-2015, 05:03 PM
I can see what you're saying with that video, but at the same time, the two black ladies had the same response about the white guy as the white people. They were just like, "Well, that's odd. Oh well."

Green Arrow
07-07-2015, 07:08 PM
Safety


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A

Peter1469
07-10-2015, 10:33 AM
Notice: this thread is now open.

Cigar
07-10-2015, 10:35 AM
Ironically today ... :wink:

Common
07-10-2015, 10:46 AM
Lets cut to the quick, im not going to discuss or argue white privledge because its one of those subjects that will just go back and forth and end up with the same conclusions by all involved.

Hypothetical: If there is white privledge how do you stop it or change it. Or can it be

Peter1469
07-10-2015, 11:34 AM
Lets cut to the quick, im not going to discuss or argue white privledge because its one of those subjects that will just go back and forth and end up with the same conclusions by all involved.

Hypothetical: If there is white privledge how do you stop it or change it. Or can it be

Minorities have more babies and become a solid majority.

Safety
07-10-2015, 11:54 AM
Lets cut to the quick, im not going to discuss or argue white privledge because its one of those subjects that will just go back and forth and end up with the same conclusions by all involved.

Hypothetical: If there is white privledge how do you stop it or change it. Or can it be

You can't change it. We're a non-homogeneous society, and the majority will have the privilege.

Cigar
07-10-2015, 11:58 AM
You can't change it. We're a non-homogeneous society, and the majority will have the privilege.


First we have to get past the denial and acknowledge that it exist :wink:

Common
07-10-2015, 12:23 PM
You can't change it. We're a non-homogeneous society, and the majority will have the privilege.

Do you consider white privledge nepotism

Common Sense
07-10-2015, 12:24 PM
Lets cut to the quick, im not going to discuss or argue white privledge because its one of those subjects that will just go back and forth and end up with the same conclusions by all involved.

Hypothetical: If there is white privledge how do you stop it or change it. Or can it be

Awareness, recognition.

Safety
07-10-2015, 12:25 PM
Do you consider white privledge nepotism

nepotism is attached to whoever is in power, so it depends. There is plenty of nepotism where I used to work, and it was from blacks.

The Xl
07-10-2015, 12:53 PM
I'd be cool with this concept if it was acknowledged that this sort of privilege isn't really extended to all white people, and that many blacks have their own privilege in regards to some issues.

Socioeconomic privilege is a bigger and more apparent issue than any sort of racial privilege, anyway.

Common
07-10-2015, 02:45 PM
nepotism is attached to whoever is in power, so it depends. There is plenty of nepotism where I used to work, and it was from blacks.

Ok I knew that already and im glad youre honest.

Cigar
07-10-2015, 02:47 PM
Minorities have more babies and become a solid majority.

That has Zero to do with Privilege ... just as Native Americans

Safety
07-10-2015, 02:53 PM
Ok I knew that already and im glad youre honest.

I have been my entire time here.

Peter1469
07-10-2015, 03:07 PM
That has Zero to do with Privilege ... just as Native Americans

Sure it does in modern America. Pack the government and make whatever laws you need to get over the past.

Common
07-11-2015, 08:39 AM
I have been my entire time here.

I believe you have :) I didnt mean your integrity as a person, I meant your honest on the topic

midcan5
07-22-2015, 09:01 PM
Anyone remember EEO? I started work at the largest corporation on earth at the time, and had the interesting privilege of being interviewed and asked among other things why there were no blacks in our office. Funny as I was a neophyte and really only had the most obvious answer. No time gotta drop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXPyOMIRh5A

Long talk but listen to first few minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AMY2Bvxuxc

"Racism" almost always conjures up visions of white suppression of non-white peoples. There is a long history of "racism," however, among "white" peoples toward other "whites" and among "non-white" peoples toward other "non-whites." http://www.anitra.net/activism/racism/index.html

White affirmative action. http://www.amazon.com/When-Affirmative-Action-White-Twentieth-Century/dp/0393328511/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8

My original post: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?62504-What-white-folks-get-wrong-about-white-privilege&p=1488170#post1488170

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?62504-What-white-folks-get-wrong-about-white-privilege&p=1488850#post1488850

The Xl
07-22-2015, 09:44 PM
I noticed all of these spokesmen for white privilege are rich whites born into privilege who realize that they didn't need to work or be smart to get ahead in life, feel guilty about it, and want to express that guilt. Which is fine, just don't indict all white people against their will, don't project your own feelings and upbringing onto everyone.

Perianne
07-23-2015, 12:18 AM
Lets cut to the quick, im not going to discuss or argue white privledge because its one of those subjects that will just go back and forth and end up with the same conclusions by all involved.

Hypothetical: If there is white privledge how do you stop it or change it. Or can it be

Hypothetical: If there is white privilege, why would I want to stop or change it?

Hal Jordan
07-23-2015, 12:40 AM
Hypothetical: If there is white privilege, why would I want to stop or change it?

Well, the main reason a white person would really want to change it would be empathy, I would say. However, there would be plenty of people that would say they want to change it just to make themselves look better.

Safety
07-23-2015, 01:12 AM
Hypothetical: If there is white privilege, why would I want to stop or change it?


Well, the main reason a white person would really want to change it would be empathy, I would say. However, there would be plenty of people that would say they want to change it just to make themselves look better.

Just go with the flow....

Hal Jordan
07-23-2015, 01:19 AM
Just go with the flow....

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/50967151.jpg

Bob
07-27-2015, 12:54 PM
You can't change it. We're a non-homogeneous society, and the majority will have the privilege.

I can't jump into your skin for even one second Safety, nor can you jump into my skin.

I believe in this philosophy. For things to change, you must change.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDazFiCXtaw

Bob
07-27-2015, 12:57 PM
Hypothetical: If there is white privilege, why would I want to stop or change it?

I love the sports analogies. Suppose to make me equal, or make me catch up, or have privilege, LeBron James was forced to turn over half his points to me during his games. (assume i am a white but weaker basketball player)

That would not be fair. His black privilege is why he gets so many points. But he still did not beat my local team, the Warriors.

Safety
07-27-2015, 01:18 PM
I can't jump into your skin for even one second Safety, nor can you jump into my skin.

I believe in this philosophy. For things to change, you must change.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDazFiCXtaw

I'm not trying to make you jump into my skin, nor am I trying to jump into yours. I am simply bring forth a different perspective that may not be obvious to you as it is to me. There are some who look at skin color as a defining measure of whether or not a society is homogenous, and then there are others who say skin color is not the issue, culture is. I'm from the culture camp.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 07:42 PM
Yeah...

After my trial I am pretty sure white privilege is a myth in the modern day.

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Safety
07-27-2015, 07:56 PM
Yeah...

After my trial I am pretty sure white privilege is a myth in the modern day.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Well, it only works when you have others around to compare. How many brothers were in court with you that day?

Mister D
07-27-2015, 08:58 PM
Well, it only works when you have others around to compare. How many brothers were in court with you that day?

Do you honestly believe violent white criminals get off with more lenient sentences? In the case of drug offenses, I'm inclined to agree but the basis for that is not race but violence.

Safety
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
Do you honestly believe violent white criminals get off with more lenient sentences? In the case of drug offenses, I'm inclined to agree but the basis for that is not race but violence.


No I don't believe white criminals get off with more lenient sentences today, but the movie "life" comes to mind.

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:02 PM
No I don't believe white criminals get off with more lenient sentences today, but the movie "life" comes to mind.

I'm only familiar with the board game. :smiley:

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
It seems clear to me that the racial element with regard disparities in sentences is largely incidental.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 09:04 PM
Well, it only works when you have others around to compare. How many brothers were in court with you that day?
If I had been Mexican or black I would have a better shot because I could cry racism - even if there was none.

Lily white guys don't even get that option.

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Safety
07-27-2015, 09:12 PM
If I had been Mexican or black I would have a better shot because I could cry racism - even if there was none.

Lily white guys don't even get that option.

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Actually you could, if the judge was black, the prosecutor was black, and the arresting officers were black, (say Atlanta) you could cry racism. Then again, just crying racism has no bearing on a judicial procedure, you have to state your case for saying it.

White privilege would only work in cases where like individuals have the power. Kinda like how affulenza works for rich people.

Safety
07-27-2015, 09:13 PM
I'm only familiar with the board game. :smiley:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Life_dvd_movie_cover.jpg

Cigar
07-27-2015, 09:13 PM
:studying: Remind me to shed a tear

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:14 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Life_dvd_movie_cover.jpg

never saw it but I remember it.

Safety
07-27-2015, 09:15 PM
It seems clear to me that the racial element with regard disparities in sentences is largely incidental.

For the most part you are correct, in 2015. It has greatly improved since the 50 and 60's

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:16 PM
For the most part you are correct, in 2015. It has greatly improved since the 50 and 60's

I won't suggest it wasn't biased in the past. I think it's clear that it was at least in some regions.

Cigar
07-27-2015, 09:19 PM
Spot the difference (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fox-news-lectures-late-sandra-bland-after-praising-armed-standoff-bundy-ranch)

Last year, a Nevada rancher who boasts that he doesn’t “recognize the United States government as even existing” become a hero of Fox News pundits and other conservative commentators for refusing to pay grazing fees he owes the government.


But when a black woman named Sandra Bland was forced out of her car and to the ground by a Texas police officer after she reportedly failed to signal during a lane switch and declined to put out a cigarette, Fox News thinks this is a time to lecture viewers on how to be respectful to law enforcement. Bland later died in police custody in what investigators ruled was a suicide. -

White men defending a criminal, facing down gubbmint agencies with many, many guns, good.

African American Woman armed with a cigarette, bad. The policeman was being exposed to second hand smoke for crissakes!

Gubbmint backs down from gun wielding white men, bringing back America.

African American woman dies in police custody, well she should have signaled.

Armed white men threatening murderous violence, not being trod upon.

Unarmed people of color, should obey the rules. If they die, it's their own fault.

This is what insanity and inherent racism does to you.

You can see Fox Noise at every mass murder holding its breath waiting for the skin tone of the killer to be released. If white, he will be deemed to be just another crazy kid and more guns will be needed. If a person of color, than any explanation that terrifies their audience will be good to go, Muslim extremist black panthers! Moar Gubbmint!

Armed white men threatening everyone = militia

Armed people of color = gangs.

I ask you, where in the constitution does it say that gangs should be well regulated and armed!

The outcomes of these two sagas.

Cliven Bundy is still giving the middle finger to the gubbmint (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch).

Sandra Bland was buried (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fox-news-lectures-late-sandra-bland-after-praising-armed-standoff-bundy-ranch).

I believe some deluded fool on SCOTUS proposed that racism was over (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/30/us-supreme-court-thinks-racism-dead)

Every single day that goes by shows that racism is institutionalized and part of our every day culture.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406039/-The-racist-nightmare-that-is-Fox-Noise-in-a-nutshell

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 09:20 PM
Actually you could, if the judge was black, the prosecutor was black, and the arresting officers were black, (say Atlanta) you could cry racism. Then again, just crying racism has no bearing on a judicial procedure, you have to state your case for saying it.

White privilege would only work in cases where like individuals have the power. Kinda like how affulenza works for rich people.
Bingo. In isn't "white" privilege. Being wealthy and connected is the cause of privilege.

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Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 09:22 PM
Spot the difference (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fox-news-lectures-late-sandra-bland-after-praising-armed-standoff-bundy-ranch)

Last year, a Nevada rancher who boasts that he doesn’t “recognize the United States government as even existing” become a hero of Fox News pundits and other conservative commentators for refusing to pay grazing fees he owes the government.


But when a black woman named Sandra Bland was forced out of her car and to the ground by a Texas police officer after she reportedly failed to signal during a lane switch and declined to put out a cigarette, Fox News thinks this is a time to lecture viewers on how to be respectful to law enforcement. Bland later died in police custody in what investigators ruled was a suicide. -

White men defending a criminal, facing down gubbmint agencies with many, many guns, good.

African American Woman armed with a cigarette, bad. The policeman was being exposed to second hand smoke for crissakes!

Gubbmint backs down from gun wielding white men, bringing back America.

African American woman dies in police custody, well she should have signaled.

Armed white men threatening murderous violence, not being trod upon.

Unarmed people of color, should obey the rules. If they die, it's their own fault.

This is what insanity and inherent racism does to you.

You can see Fox Noise at every mass murder holding its breath waiting for the skin tone of the killer to be released. If white, he will be deemed to be just another crazy kid and more guns will be needed. If a person of color, than any explanation that terrifies their audience will be good to go, Muslim extremist black panthers! Moar Gubbmint!

Armed white men threatening everyone = militia

Armed people of color = gangs.

I ask you, where in the constitution does it say that gangs should be well regulated and armed!

The outcomes of these two sagas.

Cliven Bundy is still giving the middle finger to the gubbmint (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/cliven-bundy-standoff-grazing-rights-nevada-ranch).

Sandra Bland was buried (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fox-news-lectures-late-sandra-bland-after-praising-armed-standoff-bundy-ranch).

I believe some deluded fool on SCOTUS proposed that racism was over (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/30/us-supreme-court-thinks-racism-dead)

Every single day that goes by shows that racism is institutionalized and part of our every day culture.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/27/1406039/-The-racist-nightmare-that-is-Fox-Noise-in-a-nutshell
You're right, the government is racist. Perhaps you should stop advocating for more government control in things.

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Safety
07-27-2015, 09:23 PM
When the Bundy event unfolded, I predicted that it would come back and bite all those who were supporting him, in the ass. I was correct. It shows hypocrisy when one person who violates the law can get a hundred or so armed buddies to help fight the law, but when a different individual is faced with the same situation, it's her fault and she should have complied.

Blatant hypocrisy.

Safety
07-27-2015, 09:24 PM
Bingo. In isn't "white" privilege. Being wealthy and connected is the cause of privilege.

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The white comes from the majority. You would have Chinese privilege in China, Black privilege in Africa, etc...

PolWatch
07-27-2015, 09:36 PM
While I'm not a fan of government interference, how are minorities supposed to deal with inequalities? I know its 2015 but to pretend that racism doesn't exist is ridiculous. Are people just supposed to take whatever is dished out & hope for better times in the future?

When I heard people talking about gays should be patient & wait because society was changing without going to court it was deja vu....I heard the same thing about blacks in the 60's and women in 70's. How patient would YOU be? How willing to hope that eventually everyone would agree that people are people?

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:37 PM
While I'm not a fan of government interference, how are minorities supposed to deal with inequalities? I know its 2015 but to pretend that racism doesn't exist is ridiculous. Are people just supposed to take whatever is dished out & hope for better times in the future?

When I heard people talking about gays should be patient & wait because society was changing without going to court it was deja vu....I heard the same thing about blacks in the 60's and women in 70's. How patient would YOU be? How willing to hope that eventually everyone would agree that people are people?

Institutional racism does not exist.

PolWatch
07-27-2015, 09:45 PM
Institutional racism does not exist.

correct....why? Was it eliminated voluntarily?

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:46 PM
correct....why? Was it eliminated voluntarily?

No, but it has not existed in my lifetime.

PolWatch
07-27-2015, 09:48 PM
No, but it has not existed in my lifetime.

I agreed...but you didn't answer my question. Was it eliminated voluntarily, because of the innate goodness in people?

Mister D
07-27-2015, 09:49 PM
I agreed...but you didn't answer my question. Was it eliminated voluntarily, because of the innate goodness in people?

Didn't I just say no?

PolWatch
07-27-2015, 09:56 PM
Didn't I just say no?

sorry, I misunderstood. btw: were asking about Refugee a few weeks ago? I noticed he created a new thread tonight.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 09:57 PM
The white comes from the majority. You would have Chinese privilege in China, Black privilege in Africa, etc...
Homogeneous countries don't really have a racial privilege though. It has to be broken down by wealth, creed, or some other factor.

Not sure if it is majority either.

Take Jews for example, they are a sliver of the population, yet one could argue they have quite a bit of privilege.

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Mister D
07-27-2015, 10:00 PM
sorry, I misunderstood. btw: were asking about Refugee a few weeks ago? I noticed he created a new thread tonight.

I don't know remember the name. I might have asked about rebel Son. I know him from elsewhere.

Cigar
07-27-2015, 10:04 PM
You're right, the government is racist. Perhaps you should stop advocating for more government control in things.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

DO me a favor, who is going to Rebuild and Repair The United States of America's Infrastructure?

Take your time, it's not a trick question sport. :laugh:

PolWatch
07-27-2015, 10:05 PM
ok...I know you were talking about KC the other day. I'll eventually remember who was asking or they will notice he has returned. His new thread is something you might enjoy.

Mister D
07-27-2015, 10:07 PM
ok...I know you were talking about KC the other day. I'll eventually remember who was asking or they will notice he has returned. His new thread is something you might enjoy.

The Cultural Marxism thread, right? I'm not familiar with the book he cited but i probably do agree with much of what it contains.

That reminds me. I will email KC.

Safety
07-27-2015, 10:10 PM
Homogeneous countries don't really have a racial privilege though. It has to be broken down by wealth, creed, or some other factor.

Not sure if it is majority either.

Take Jews for example, they are a sliver of the population, yet one could argue they have quite a bit of privilege.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

True, but in countries that are not homogeneous, race is a factor, especially when it was a defining factor during the turbulent history of said country.

As for jews, it all depends on the type privilege you are speaking about. Ethnic jews would have a privilege/non-privilege if it was judged by their appearance. People with jewish last names would have a different privilege/non-privilege because it would not be based upon appearance.

I think when people use the term "white privilege" they are referring to the level of consideration given to a person based upon their skin color. It could be beneficial if one was going to a job interview and the person hiring had a bias based on race. It could also be detrimental if one was walking through a rough neighborhood and someone was targeting someone based on race. In 2015, it isn't a "get out of jail free" card, but it could mean the difference in a cop determining whether or not his/her life is threatened.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 10:15 PM
DO me a favor, who is going to Rebuild and Repair The United States of America's Infrastructure?

Take your time, it's not a trick question sport. :laugh:
Those who have the desire and the expertise I reckon.

Contrary to the belief of some, government doesn't really build roads.

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Cigar
07-27-2015, 10:18 PM
Those who have the desire and the expertise I reckon.

Contrary to the belief of some, government doesn't really build roads.

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Don't try to play with words, do private citizens pay for Government Road Construction?

Yes or No

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 10:20 PM
True, but in countries that are not homogeneous, race is a factor, especially when it was a defining factor during the turbulent history of said country.

As for jews, it all depends on the type privilege you are speaking about. Ethnic jews would have a privilege/non-privilege if it was judged by their appearance. People with jewish last names would have a different privilege/non-privilege because it would not be based upon appearance.

I think when people use the term "white privilege" they are referring to the level of consideration given to a person based upon their skin color. It could be beneficial if one was going to a job interview and the person hiring had a bias based on race. It could also be detrimental if one was walking through a rough neighborhood and someone was targeting someone based on race. In 2015, it isn't a "get out of jail free" card, but it could mean the difference in a cop determining whether or not his/her life is threatened.
The problem with White Privilege is that those who swear it exists, cannot fully articulate it. And even if they can, it is not am absolute where it supposedly exists.

And if other privilege is announces to exist it is deemed crazy talk.

Not by you but by many.

Things that aren't repeatable on a reliable basis don't carry much weight in a objective light.

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The Xl
07-27-2015, 10:22 PM
Race does play a part in the courtroom, but not as much as socio-economics.

Mister D
07-27-2015, 10:22 PM
The problem with White Privilege is that those who swear it exists, cannot fully articulate it. And even if they can, it is not am absolute where it supposedly exists.

And if other privilege is announces to exist it is deemed crazy talk.

Not by you but by many.

Things that aren't repeatable on a reliable basis don't carry much weight in a objective light.

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I think Safety articulated it but his articulation, IMO, emptied it of controversy. The rest of the members who use the term can't quite tell us what it means let alone demonstrate its reality.

Cigar
07-27-2015, 10:23 PM
The problem with White Privilege is that those who swear it exists, cannot fully articulate it. And even if they can, it is not am absolute where it supposedly exists.

And if other privilege is announces to exist it is deemed crazy talk.

Not by you but by many.

Things that aren't repeatable on a reliable basis don't carry much weight in a objective light.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

WTF ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

I'm really not going to go through all the numerous Threads I've already posted, because you'll just deny it anyway.

PolWatch
07-27-2015, 10:25 PM
In science, theory is proved by replication until accepted as fact. Human behavior is not as easy to prove.

Safety
07-27-2015, 10:26 PM
The problem with White Privilege is that those who swear it exists, cannot fully articulate it. And even if they can, it is not am absolute where it supposedly exists.

And if other privilege is announces to exist it is deemed crazy talk.

Not by you but by many.

Things that aren't repeatable on a reliable basis don't carry much weight in a objective light.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

That's because I tend to think it is over used, like the word racism or race-card.

White privilege could be defined in this instance as, saying "Bob is a troll, Mac is a troll, Cigar is a black troll and racist". That was a post from a member a few moments ago, and as you can see, it's pretty obvious.

Mister D
07-27-2015, 10:27 PM
WTF ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

I'm really not going to go through all the numerous Threads I've already posted, because you'll just deny it anyway.

His parents were rich. No one denies the wealthy are privileged.

The Xl
07-27-2015, 10:30 PM
White privilege doesn't exist for every white person. It's imposed on everyone by wealthy, guilty whites. Try being a poor or working class white and get back to me on what that so called privilege does for you.

Bob
07-27-2015, 10:41 PM
Don't try to play with words, do private citizens pay for Government Road Construction?

Yes or No

Cigar, as I have related a few times, I once worked on the highway system. I also sold land to developers (later on in life) and they paid for those roads and donated them to the city for no charge. The home buyers paid for the roads in their loans.

Major highways, so long as they cross state lines are federal. While Federal funds are part of the payment, states also put money in. I never saw any federal highway inspectors in all my years but I saw a lot of state inspectors whose job was oversight on the quality of the highways. Same with bridges. County and state roads used each agencies respective inspectors. I am saying that your part of the payments is in gasoline taxes. If you live in a city and don't buy gasoline, you use roads you never paid for.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 10:44 PM
I think Safety articulated it but his articulation, IMO, emptied it of controversy. The rest of the members who use the term can't quite tell us what it means let alone demonstrate its reality.
^^^This.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 10:46 PM
WTF ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

I'm really not going to go through all the numerous Threads I've already posted, because you'll just deny it anyway.
*pats Cigar on the head*

That's cute. But you couldn't debate any of the points if I pressed you for them, so I know better than to bother.

Run along and try again later.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

The Xl
07-27-2015, 10:48 PM
WTF ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

I'm really not going to go through all the numerous Threads I've already posted, because you'll just deny it anyway.

That's wealthy privilege. Has nothing inherently to do with white people.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 10:48 PM
That's because I tend to think it is over used, like the word racism or race-card.

White privilege could be defined in this instance as, saying "Bob is a troll, Mac is a troll, Cigar is a black troll and racist". That was a post from a member a few moments ago, and as you can see, it's pretty obvious.
Agrees, but it is localized and not always repeatable.

So implying it is a culture wide phenomenon is farcical.

In statistics they would say it is too small a sample or contaminated. And I would be forces to agree due to the logical outcome of questioning.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Cigar
07-27-2015, 10:51 PM
That's wealthy privilege. Has nothing inherently to do with white people.

Got it, happens to Black People all the time :laugh:

The Xl
07-27-2015, 10:57 PM
Got it, happens to Black People all the time :laugh:
So what? Do you see me justifying the unnecessary shit most blacks get?

That's the issue with you, you're a supremacist that only sees things in black or white. Individuals, nuance, shades of gray don't exist in your ignorant and racist world.

Cigar
07-27-2015, 11:07 PM
So what? Do you see me justifying the unnecessary $#@! most blacks get?

That's the issue with you, you're a supremacist that only sees things in black or white. Individuals, nuance, shades of gray don't exist in your ignorant and racist world.

On the contrary ... the entire argument and evidence is based on inequality ... if it was equal we wouldn't be talking about it. :rollseyes:

One side confirms it exist and the other side will deny it, regardless of any evidence.

So what's the point in arguing :wink:

Good night

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 11:15 PM
Don't try to play with words, do private citizens pay for Government Road Construction?

Yes or No
Depends on where you are actually.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Cthulhu
07-27-2015, 11:17 PM
Got it, happens to Black People all the time :laugh:
It does actually. NBA stars are let off the hook all the time. NFL as well.

Guess what the common denominator is?

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Common
07-28-2015, 12:05 AM
On the contrary ... the entire argument and evidence is based on inequality ... if it was equal we wouldn't be talking about it. :rollseyes:

One side confirms it exist and the other side will deny it, regardless of any evidence.

So what's the point in arguing :wink:

Good night

What do you want Cigar you rail endlessly about everything white but you never tell us what you want.

Im going to tell you something you are not going to like but ive never been known for playing pattycakes.

You can rail tell your long dead and you are not going to change a thing. Whether you like it or not white people dont have to change and they arent going to change.

Black people have to fix themselves FIRST white people cant do it. Youre up against it with me cigar because ive was in black neighborhoods walking a beat for 4 yrs daily and in patrol cars for years more, Im not black but I saw the problems up front daily. White people cant fix those problems and until those problems are fixed nothing is going to change.

There is a black culture in poor neighborhoods that assures many blacks will go nowhere. You cant blame black kids not going to school on white people or black parents that dont make sure they do or the myriad of other self imposed black problems on white people. You know what they are.

Your answer when ever someone brings up anything about blacks you post silly pictures and make an insulting response but you NEVER make an intelligent comment. That doesnt help the discussion.

You and black people need to face you own dilemna FIRST before you blame every bad in their lives on those goddamn white people.

Face the truth about black problems first and then you can convince white people its their fault but not before.

Hal Jordan
07-28-2015, 12:18 AM
Don't worry... There's a solution!

http://www.whitesquad.com/

You're welcome.

Safety
07-28-2015, 12:31 AM
Don't worry... There's a solution!

http://www.whitesquad.com/

You're welcome.

Oh hell ya, I'm 'bout to get paid, son!

Common
07-28-2015, 12:55 AM
Don't worry... There's a solution!

http://www.whitesquad.com/

You're welcome.

heh is that isnt appropriate nothing is lol

Hal Jordan
07-28-2015, 12:59 AM
heh is that isnt appropriate nothing is lol

I've actually been sitting on that link for the perfect opportunity to post it...

Common
07-28-2015, 01:29 AM
I've actually been sitting on that link for the perfect opportunity to post it...

That was perfect timing lol. I didnt expect that

Mister D
07-28-2015, 08:57 AM
It does actually. NBA stars are let off the hook all the time. NFL as well.

Guess what the common denominator is?

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.


Exactly. It's about money and, yes, rich black people do catch breaks the rest of us don't.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 08:57 AM
Got it, happens to Black People all the time :laugh:

Yeah, happens to white people all the time too...oh wait...no it doesn't.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 10:21 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/1f/04/47/1f0447b2e4eecfd96a5ac78ad943cca3.jpg

Cigar
07-28-2015, 10:23 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/66803/small/Sherman_Beiber_meme.jpg?1390902747

Cigar
07-28-2015, 10:25 AM
http://progressivecynic.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/black-panthers.png

Mister D
07-28-2015, 10:38 AM
he tries so hard. :laugh:

Common
07-28-2015, 10:40 AM
he tries so hard. :laugh:

He will never discuss anything about race in a gentlemanly way. Ive come to know that his sole game is attempting to annoy white people. Must be his way of trying to get even

Mister D
07-28-2015, 10:47 AM
He will never discuss anything about race in a gentlemanly way. Ive come to know that his sole game is attempting to annoy white people. Must be his way of trying to get even

And he wants people to believe he's middle class. :laugh:

Hal Jordan
07-28-2015, 10:48 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/66803/small/Sherman_Beiber_meme.jpg?1390902747

Wait, who's calling Bieber a misguided kid? I've heard far more hateful things about Bieber than I have about Sherman.

D, he definitely wasn't trying with this one.

Common
07-28-2015, 10:51 AM
And he wants people to believe he's middle class. :laugh:

Whatever his financial stature is good for him. He needs to know his everyday goal to offend white people just backfires on him. People are desensitized to that crap only the real racists get all tight in the ass over it.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 10:52 AM
Joyce Mitchell current Plea Deal in the Escape Plot of 2 Killers for 2 fucking years .... :smiley_ROFLMAO:

One Felony and One Misdemeanor

Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you, WHITE PRIVILEGE :laugh:

A Brother with a Bag of Weed would be locked up for more than a Decade. :rollseyes:

http://sr.photos3.fotosearch.com/bthumb/CSP/CSP305/k3059919.jpg

Common
07-28-2015, 10:53 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/66803/small/Sherman_Beiber_meme.jpg?1390902747


Beiber is a <you fill it in> Im sure it will be more flattering than what I have to say about him

Captain Obvious
07-28-2015, 11:23 AM
he tries so hard. :laugh:

Maximum effort, minimum gain

Common
07-28-2015, 11:25 AM
he tries so hard. :laugh:

He gains nothing by it

The Xl
07-28-2015, 11:37 AM
Joyce Mitchell current Plea Deal in the Escape Plot of 2 Killers for 2 fucking years .... :smiley_ROFLMAO:

One Felony and One Misdemeanor

Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you, WHITE PRIVILEGE :laugh:

A Brother with a Bag of Weed would be locked up for more than a Decade. :rollseyes:

http://sr.photos3.fotosearch.com/bthumb/CSP/CSP305/k3059919.jpg

Yes, this is extended to all whites. You are brilliant.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 11:40 AM
Are you kidding ... Gain ... ?

I get to come on this Forum and Laugh at Political Crybabies whining about a Chicago Community Organizer Spanking that Ass, Twice, Back 2 Black buy 9.5 Million and 5 Million Votes, to become The 44th President of The United States. Despite all the efforts in the world to Block Everything he wanted to do, he still Kicked that Ass with a Smile on his Face and a Foot up Conservatives Ass.

Undefeated and Priceless ... :grin: Looks like that White Privilege got you nothing.

Cry on Babies ... Cry On

Common
07-28-2015, 11:40 AM
Yes, this is extended to all whites. You are brilliant.

Cigar even has non racists like XL and myself annoyed at his constant race baiting and endless attempts to belittle all white folks. He knows what hes doing, he just enjoys insulting white people thats his only goal.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 12:30 PM
Are you kidding ... Gain ... ?

I get to come on this Forum and Laugh at Political Crybabies whining about a Chicago Community Organizer Spanking that Ass, Twice, Back 2 Black buy 9.5 Million and 5 Million Votes, to become The 44th President of The United States. Despite all the efforts in the world to Block Everything he wanted to do, he still Kicked that Ass with a Smile on his Face and a Foot up Conservatives Ass.

Undefeated and Priceless ... :grin: Looks like that White Privilege got you nothing.

Cry on Babies ... Cry On

You live vicariously through a half black puppet that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. :laugh:

Mister D
07-28-2015, 12:30 PM
Cigar even has non racists like XL and myself annoyed at his constant race baiting and endless attempts to belittle all white folks. He knows what hes doing, he just enjoys insulting white people thats his only goal.

The racists thank you, Cigar.

Common
07-28-2015, 12:33 PM
The racists thank you, Cigar.

Theres alot of truth in that, they provoke each other to keep it all going on endlessly.

To date I cant pinpoint a single cigar accomplishment regarding race. Nor can I point to any of the outwardly racist white people making any changes for the better.

Captain Obvious
07-28-2015, 12:53 PM
You live vicariously through a half black puppet that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. :laugh:

Half white actually.

Common
07-28-2015, 12:55 PM
Are you kidding ... Gain ... ?

I get to come on this Forum and Laugh at Political Crybabies whining about a Chicago Community Organizer Spanking that Ass, Twice, Back 2 Black buy 9.5 Million and 5 Million Votes, to become The 44th President of The United States. Despite all the efforts in the world to Block Everything he wanted to do, he still Kicked that Ass with a Smile on his Face and a Foot up Conservatives Ass.

Undefeated and Priceless ... :grin: Looks like that White Privilege got you nothing.

Cry on Babies ... Cry On

You can trust this cigar all the crybabies are laughing at you and take you on face value a buffoon

Common
07-28-2015, 12:58 PM
The racists thank you, Cigar.

Reading cigars never ending race baiting posts, demonstrates why Al Sharpton has managed to make race relations worse while raking in millions off all the cigars out there

The Xl
07-28-2015, 01:13 PM
You live vicariously through a half black puppet that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. :laugh:

I find it funny, because Obama is more white than anything, look who raised him, and he works for Wall Street and corporate America. If he thinks Obama actually cares about blacks outside of his wife and daughters, then the joke is on him. He's about doing what he needs to do to accumulate wealth and status, that is all.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 01:20 PM
I find it funny, because Obama is more white than anything, look who raised him, and he works for Wall Street and corporate America. If he thinks Obama actually cares about blacks outside of his wife and daughters, then the joke is on him. He's about doing what he needs to do to accumulate wealth and status, that is all.

While throwing a bone to idiots like Cigar. Sure, he cares all about your plight. Well, until he retires to a golf course where the only brothuz he'll see are serving drinks. :laugh:

Cigar
07-28-2015, 01:22 PM
You live vicariously through a half black puppet that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. :laugh:
Common ... Naturally this type of post takes a pass with you and obviously I shouldn't respond, because I need to take it.

Sure, 1915 that was true, but it's 2015 and no one has to put up with anyone internet bullshit ... no one. :wink:

People like Mister D are nothing with out their group or pack. He has nothing, he's done nothing and when he's gone, no one will care, because he leaves nothing notable that he's ever done on his own. Therefore, like most racist like him, he needs to exist in a Klan or a Pack ... no offense to Dogs.

I've told Chris and several other Moderators, you attack me, I give it back. Period, if you don't like it, then don't attack.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 01:24 PM
@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) ... Naturally this type of post takes a pass with you and obviously I shouldn't respond, because I need to take it.

Sure, 1915 that was true, but it's 2015 and no one has to put up with anyone internet bull$#@! ... no one. :wink:

People like Mister D are nothing with out their group or pack. He has nothing, he's done nothing and when he's gone, no one will care, because he leaves nothing notable that he's ever done on his own. Therefore, like most racist like him, he needs to exist in a Klan or a Pack ... no offense to Dogs.

I've told Chris and several other Moderators, you attack me, I give it back. Period, if you don't like it, then don't attack.

What type of post? That was "racist"? lol

The Xl
07-28-2015, 01:26 PM
@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) ... Naturally this type of post takes a pass with you and obviously I shouldn't respond, because I need to take it.

Sure, 1915 that was true, but it's 2015 and no one has to put up with anyone internet bullshit ... no one. :wink:

People like Mister D are nothing with out their group or pack. He has nothing, he's done nothing and when he's gone, no one will care, because he leaves nothing notable that he's ever done on his own. Therefore, like most racist like him, he needs to exist in a Klan or a Pack ... no offense to Dogs.

I've told Chris and several other Moderators, you attack me, I give it back. Period, if you don't like it, then don't attack.

That's nice. And at the end of the day, what he says still stands true, Barack Obama is a puppet who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. He wouldn't piss on any of us, white or black, if we were, but we're not the ones living vicariously through him, that would be you.

Nice rant though.

Common
07-28-2015, 01:26 PM
@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) ... Naturally this type of post takes a pass with you and obviously I shouldn't respond, because I need to take it.

Sure, 1915 that was true, but it's 2015 and no one has to put up with anyone internet bullshit ... no one. :wink:

People like Mister D are nothing with out their group or pack. He has nothing, he's done nothing and when he's gone, no one will care, because he leaves nothing notable that he's ever done on his own. Therefore, like most racist like him, he needs to exist in a Klan or a Pack ... no offense to Dogs.

I've told Chris and several other Moderators, you attack me, I give it back. Period, if you don't like it, then don't attack.

I dont know why you put me in this but I will respond.

No one is more tenacious and aggressive than I am in defense of me and my own and thats here and in real life and its ALWAYS been like that.

The difference is that I dont troll day in and day out provoking others to attack me, you do and that makes you not the victim but the proponent.

Look im not fuckin stupid, you think I dont see the white racists here, you dont think Im around many in real life. You need to realize something YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS THEY ARE and on this forum you are worse.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 01:31 PM
Oh Snap! :afro:

Common
07-28-2015, 01:36 PM
Cigar doesnt understand that Whites that acknowledge racism and dont like it and are non racists are still WHITE and the constant demeaning and insulting of everything thats white gets old even for them. Indian rope burn.

Cigar will start a thread with an intentional race baiting Header, then wants us to feel sorry for him when white racists get in his ass ? who promoted it and obviously wanted it ?

Cigar
07-28-2015, 01:56 PM
I dont know why you put me in this but I will respond.

No one is more tenacious and aggressive than I am in defense of me and my own and thats here and in real life and its ALWAYS been like that.

The difference is that I dont troll day in and day out provoking others to attack me, you do and that makes you not the victim but the proponent.

Look im not $#@!in stupid, you think I dont see the white racists here, you dont think Im around many in real life. You need to realize something YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS THEY ARE and on this forum you are worse.

If you take the time to carefully and slowly read my previous response, you will see I didn't include you in anything. As far as provoking others, once again, if you carefully and slowly read other people response you should obviously see who's doing the provoking.

Now, once again, I'll make this Crystal Clear, "anyone" who comes after me by "name" (and there's numerous examples) then I will come back at them. In other words, don't start none and there won't be none. If I submit a post you don't like, then don't respond to it; but its your call. Anyone who constantly calls me out by name, while the Forum Moderators sit with their thumb up their ass ignoring their own rules, then I'll assume the rule doesn't apply and play along with the same rules everyone else plays by.

Am I now Clear? :grin:

Cigar
07-28-2015, 01:57 PM
Cigar doesnt understand that Whites that acknowledge racism and dont like it and are non racists are still WHITE and the constant demeaning and insulting of everything thats white gets old even for them. Indian rope burn.

Cigar will start a thread with an intentional race baiting Header, then wants us to feel sorry for him when white racists get in his ass ? who promoted it and obviously wanted it ?

You're assuming I care what "all" Whites think. That's a huge assumption in the wrong direction.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 02:01 PM
If you take the time to carefully and slowly read my previous response, you will see I didn't include you in anything. As far as provoking others, once again, if you carefully and slowly read other people response you should obviously see who's doing the provoking.

Now, once again, I'll make this Crystal Clear, "anyone" who comes after me by "name" (and there's numerous examples) then I will come back at them. In other words, don't start none and there won't be none. If I submit a post you don't like, then don't respond to it; but its your call. Anyone who constantly calls me out by name, while the Forum Moderators sit with their thumb up their ass ignoring their own rules, then I'll assume the rule doesn't apply and play along with the same rules everyone else plays by.

Am I now Clear? :grin:

Let me break this down for you, Toby. He doesn't understand why you're including him in you quarrel with me. Your post was directed at him, remember? Is it clear now? :laugh:

Cigar
07-28-2015, 02:03 PM
I dont know why you put me in this but I will respond.

No one is more tenacious and aggressive than I am in defense of me and my own and thats here and in real life and its ALWAYS been like that.

The difference is that I dont troll day in and day out provoking others to attack me, you do and that makes you not the victim but the proponent.

Look im not $#@!in stupid, you think I dont see the white racists here, you dont think Im around many in real life. You need to realize something YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS THEY ARE and on this forum you are worse.
Common Are you paying attention? Now do you see thing for what they really are?

Mister D
07-28-2015, 02:05 PM
@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) Are you paying attention? Now do you see thing for what they really are?

You still don't get it, Toby. :laugh: He's saying you go out of your way to invite ridicule and then you play the victim when it comes. Do some thinking.

Safety
07-28-2015, 02:06 PM
Cigar doesnt understand that Whites that acknowledge racism and dont like it and are non racists are still WHITE and the constant demeaning and insulting of everything thats white gets old even for them. Indian rope burn.

Cigar will start a thread with an intentional race baiting Header, then wants us to feel sorry for him when white racists get in his ass ? who promoted it and obviously wanted it ?

It's a double edged sword.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 02:09 PM
It's a double edged sword.

Not really, because somewhere on this Forum, the so-called Adults are sitting around with their Thumb Up their Ass watching the entire thing go UN-checked.

But that just verifies what I've been saying all along.

Common
07-28-2015, 02:11 PM
@Common (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=659) Are you paying attention? Now do you see thing for what they really are?

I see you making things constantly worse, I see you provoking people. What do you expect cigar when you post a thread purposely intended to provoke people? You expect them not to respond?

Heres what I think from personal observation since ive been on this forum. Your constant provacation makes people respond to you negatively.

If your asking me by do I see whats happening means you believe your bring out the racists publically, my answer to that just by repitively reading peoples posts they will tell you what they are. You dont have to drag every white person into it 10 times a day cigar.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 02:11 PM
Not really, because somewhere on this Forum, the so-called Adults are sitting around with their Thumb Up their Ass watching the entire thing go UN-checked.

But that just verifies what I've been saying all along.

No one is listening because you have no credibility.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 02:12 PM
I see you making things constantly worse, I see you provoking people. What do you expect cigar when you post a thread purposely intended to provoke people? You expect them not to respond?

Heres what I think from personal observation since ive been on this forum. Your constant provacation makes people respond to you negatively.

If your asking me by do I see whats happening means you believe your bring out the racists publically, my answer to that just by repitively reading peoples posts they will tell you what they are. You dont have to drag every white person into it 10 times a day cigar.

That this need to be explained says a lot.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 02:21 PM
I see you making things constantly worse, I see you provoking people. What do you expect cigar when you post a thread purposely intended to provoke people? You expect them not to respond?

Heres what I think from personal observation since ive been on this forum. Your constant provacation makes people respond to you negatively.

If your asking me by do I see whats happening means you believe your bring out the racists publically, my answer to that just by repitively reading peoples posts they will tell you what they are. You dont have to drag every white person into it 10 times a day cigar.

So are you saying you're easily provoked with a journalistic post written by a Journalist?

Are you provoked by the Journalist?
Are you provoked by what the Journalist wrote?
Are you provoked by me by posting what the Journalist wrote?

Which is it?

Safety
07-28-2015, 02:27 PM
Not really, because somewhere on this Forum, the so-called Adults are sitting around with their Thumb Up their Ass watching the entire thing go UN-checked.

But that just verifies what I've been saying all along.

It is what it is, man. This board is majority white, so it is to be expected that the objectivity is taking that into account. There have been a couple here that takes Mac, Bob, et al. to task on their bs. On the same token, you have to do your due diligence in making sure you're not taken to task, because while I'm the only other black here (I think) it doesn't really matter what is said towards blacks because it doesn't apply to them. However, when you blanket whites in your posts, now you are including people that normally wouldn't care about the thread. If you think you will change that on an online forum....it ain't going to happen.

Captain Obvious
07-28-2015, 02:29 PM
It is what it is, man. This board is majority white, so it is to be expected that the objectivity is taking that into account. There have been a couple here that takes Mac, Bob, et al. to task on their bs. On the same token, you have to do your due diligence in making sure you're not taken to task, because while I'm the only other black here (I think) it doesn't really matter what is said towards blacks because it doesn't apply to them. However, when you blanket whites in your posts, now you are including people that normally wouldn't care about the thread. If you think you will change that on an online forum....it ain't going to happen.

You're talking to a dining room table.

Common
07-28-2015, 02:36 PM
So are you saying you're easily provoked with a journalistic post written by a Journalist?

Are you provoked by the Journalist?
Are you provoked by what the Journalist wrote?
Are you provoked by me by posting what the Journalist wrote?

Which is it?

Nope none of that provokes me, what is provoking is your added thoughts written and intended to provoke.

Youre missing the point cigar, I dont disagree with you on racism, I am one of those white men that admit its alive and well. All whitemen know its alive and well but theres only a few of us that will say it in public.

We have no dispute there at all. Do you realize you post anti white and anti white police threads all day everyday youre here ? Do you realize that the comments you make in your threads when you starts them provokes others to respond to you negatively, its like a self defense thing.

You cant claim to be the victim when youre provoking the exchanges and your not on the high road when youre making racist comments.

I believe you make the race topic on this forum much worse and not better. Admit it man your threads sole intention is to provoke white people. Where you are FAILING is it just isnt provoking the racists anymore, its provoking others that are not racists and are inclined to be on your side.
Try posting articles and dont make any sarcastic comments. Post some articles and when the conversation goes bad then you will be on the highroad. When you start them out with provoking comments youre wrong right out of the gate.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 02:38 PM
It is what it is, man. This board is majority white, so it is to be expected that the objectivity is taking that into account. There have been a couple here that takes Mac, Bob, et al. to task on their bs. On the same token, you have to do your due diligence in making sure you're not taken to task, because while I'm the only other black here (I think) it doesn't really matter what is said towards blacks because it doesn't apply to them. However, when you blanket whites in your posts, now you are including people that normally wouldn't care about the thread. If you think you will change that on an online forum....it ain't going to happen.

I've made this challenge numerous times before and I'll make it again; I Challenge Anyone to find One Post where I (seriously) say All White People are anything ... (fill in the blank)

Not once has anyone ever come back with a search of any Threads where I make that claim ... not once.

Most of my friends are White, I have Whites in my immediate family, my business partner of 28 years is White. I bet I have more firsthand interactions on a daily bases with Whites & Blacks than the majority of people on this forum.

So please show me where I blanket whites in my posts,

Cigar
07-28-2015, 02:47 PM
Nope none of that provokes me, what is provoking is your added thoughts written and intended to provoke.

Youre missing the point cigar, I dont disagree with you on racism, I am one of those white men that admit its alive and well. All whitemen know its alive and well but theres only a few of us that will say it in public.

We have no dispute there at all. Do you realize you post anti white and anti white police threads all day everyday youre here ? Do you realize that the comments you make in your threads when you starts them provokes others to respond to you negatively, its like a self defense thing.

You cant claim to be the victim when youre provoking the exchanges and your not on the high road when youre making racist comments.

I believe you make the race topic on this forum much worse and not better. Admit it man your threads sole intention is to provoke white people. Where you are FAILING is it just isnt provoking the racists anymore, its provoking others that are not racists and are inclined to be on your side.
Try posting articles and dont make any sarcastic comments. Post some articles and when the conversation goes bad then you will be on the highroad. When you start them out with provoking comments youre wrong right out of the gate.

Correction; The Last thing on this earth I would ever claim ... is being a Victim, because I don't get Headaches, I hand them out. I don't take shit from anyone, I deliver it COD. So don't ever confuse me with being a Victim. I'm nothing like The Fox News Black People, I'm the one Black Person they would never hand the microphone to, because Foc News would learn something that day. So if you ever read a Racist Comment from me, just read the post I'm responding to and don't get pissed that I hand back what to being given to me. That's called New-Jack-Black ... it's a new day in America, so get use to the Change, because more is on the way.

Captain Obvious
07-28-2015, 02:50 PM
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Common
07-28-2015, 02:57 PM
I've made this challenge numerous times before and I'll make it again; I Challenge Anyone to find One Post where I (seriously) say All White People are anything ... (fill in the blank)

Not once has anyone ever come back with a search of any Threads where I make that claim ... not once.

Most of my friends are White, I have Whites in my immediate family, my business partner of 28 years is White. I bet I have more firsthand interactions on a daily bases with Whites & Blacks than the majority of people on this forum.

So please show me where I blanket whites in my posts,

Innuendo can be worse than an outright comment.

Do you delineate in your posts which white people its intended to insult or not. Cigar your impossible dude keep running into the wall

Mister D
07-28-2015, 02:59 PM
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Mister D
07-28-2015, 03:00 PM
Innuendo can be worse than an outright comment.

Do you delineate in your posts which white people its intended to insult or not. Cigar your impossible dude keep running into the wall

You are wasting your time. As CO noted, you're talking to a dining room table.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 03:02 PM
Innuendo can be worse than an outright comment.

Do you delineate in your posts which white people its intended to insult or not. Cigar your impossible dude keep running into the wall

Ok so now we've downgraded all this talk to an Innuendo :rollseyes:

You'll have to excuse me on this, Innuendo's are things most Men I know are unequipped or to debate without large qualities of alcohol first, and usually it's about Women. :laugh:

Common
07-28-2015, 03:06 PM
Correction; The Last thing on this earth I would ever claim ... is being a Victim, because I don't get Headaches, I hand them out. I don't take shit from anyone, I deliver it COD. So don't ever confuse me with being a Victim. I'm nothing like The Fox News Black People, I'm the one Black Person they would never hand the microphone to, because Foc News would learn something that day. So if you ever read a Racist Comment from me, just read the post I'm responding to and don't get pissed that I hand back what to being given to me. That's called New-Jack-Black ... it's a new day in America, so get use to the Change, because more is on the way.

Cigar fuck all that im not impressed with the tough guy routine. Youre not the only one that doesnt take any shit.

Youre again full of shit when you imply that your insults are just in response to someone elses insult. Your thread header on Serena Williams just for one example and your initial comments in the thread is just one example of THE MANY you start.

If you think you have no culpability in promoting race baiting on this forum then you have some real psyche issues.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 03:12 PM
Cigar $#@! all that im not impressed with the tough guy routine. Youre not the only one that doesnt take any $#@!.

Youre again full of $#@! when you imply that your insults are just in response to someone elses insult. Your thread header on Serena Williams just for one example and your initial comments in the thread is just one example of THE MANY you start.

If you think you have no culpability in promoting race baiting on this forum then you have some real psyche issues.

I'm sorry you feel threatened when someone stands up for themselves.

That's going to be a problem.

BTW, that Serena Williams Thread was posted Word-4-Word by the Writer, once again, is your issue with the writer or me posting what the writer wrote?

Captain Obvious
07-28-2015, 03:55 PM
Cigar fuck all that im not impressed with the tough guy routine. Youre not the only one that doesnt take any shit.

Youre again full of shit when you imply that your insults are just in response to someone elses insult. Your thread header on Serena Williams just for one example and your initial comments in the thread is just one example of THE MANY you start.

If you think you have no culpability in promoting race baiting on this forum then you have some real psyche issues.

He pretty openly admits it too.

Maybe he's so... malfunctioned that he just doesn't see or realize this.

That's actually plausible.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 03:57 PM
He pretty openly admits it too.

Maybe he's so... malfunctioned that he just doesn't see or realize this.

That's actually plausible.

Yeah, I honestly get the impression that he really doesn't understand what he does wrong. Sadly, I think many blacks are raised on the idea that they always occupy the moral high ground when it comes to race no matter how obnoxious they are.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:03 PM
Yeah, I honestly get the impression that he really doesn't understand what he does wrong. Sadly, I think many blacks are raised on the idea that they always occupy the moral high ground when it comes to race no matter how obnoxious they are.

Sadly, I think "some" Whites are raised on the idea that they always occupy the moral high ground when it comes to race no matter how obnoxious they are.

Private Pickle
07-28-2015, 04:05 PM
Sadly, I think "some" Blacks are raised on the idea that they always occupy the moral high ground when it comes to race no matter how obnoxious they are.

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:06 PM
I've very glad that racism and race doesn't dominate my personal life like it does this board. This shit is beyond tiresome at this point.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:07 PM
So, @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226) and I decided to have a discussion about white privilege. I've seen posts of his in the past where he appears to believe white privilege is a thing. I have my reasons for not really believing it is a thing anymore (though I absolutely do not dispute that it was once a thing). I'm open to being proven wrong on this, however, hence this discussion.

So, @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226), that's my opening statement. You now have the floor.

Notice how you Green Arrow started this thread and how I have become the subject, not the subject about white privilege.

I'm starting to think they're afraid to, that's why they keep changing the subject.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:11 PM
I've very glad that racism and race doesn't dominate my personal life like it does this board. This $#@! is beyond tiresome at this point.

It would be a Honor and Privilege to go through life and not notice racism ... something we should all strive for. :wink:

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:14 PM
It would be a Honor and Privilege to go through life and not notice racism ... something we should all strive for. :wink:

Racism will always exist around everyone to some degree, it's how you handle it and not contributing to it is what makes the difference.

Private Pickle
07-28-2015, 04:14 PM
It would be a Honor and Privilege to go through life and not notice racism ... something we should all strive for. :wink:

You don't just notice...you make it up...then post it...all day...every day...then defend it with one-liners and trite unpleasantries.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:17 PM
You don't just notice...you make it up...then post it...all day...every day...then defend it with one-liners and trite unpleasantries.

The articles are real by real writers, if you don't want to read them, don't.

Private Pickle
07-28-2015, 04:17 PM
The articles are real by real writers, if you don't want to read them, don't.

K. Do you believe everything you read or just racial inflammatory pieces that justify your supposed glee/rage?

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:17 PM
On the subject of privilege, even in instances where it does exist, be it racial or economic privilege, understand that the reason this exists is because of corrupt racist bureaucrats and their constituents. Vitriol and energy should be directed there.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:19 PM
Racism will always exist around everyone to some degree, it's how you handle it and not contributing to it is what makes the difference.

SOme of what you say I agree with, but problems and issues don't just go away by ignoring it. That was tried before and people died anyway.

Now it's time for a different approach and it seams to be getting people agitated ... I say good, welcome to the club.

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:20 PM
SOme of what you say I agree with, but problems and issues don't just go away by ignoring it. That was tried before and people died anyway.

Now it's time for a different approach and it seams to be getting people agitated ... I say good, welcome to the club.

Sure, go label and piss off innocent and otherwise sympathetic whites. Not only is that moral and just, but will surely be effective.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:23 PM
On the subject of privilege, even in instances where it does exist, be it racial or economic privilege, understand that the reason this exists is because of corrupt racist bureaucrats and their constituents. Vitriol and energy should be directed there.

... and don't forget, there's people who are tired of the Bull Shit.

There's a new group of Americans, they're the type who stand up against racist and racism; these type people really bother the racist. :wink:

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:24 PM
Sure, go label and piss off innocent and otherwise sympathetic whites. Not only is that moral and just, but will surely be effective.

Innocent and otherwise sympathetic whites don't get Pissed Off, because they know the difference.

It looks like only the guilty have something to hide.

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:25 PM
... and don't forget, there's people who are tired of the Bull Shit.

There's a new group of Americans, they're the type who stand up against racist and racism; these type people really bother the racist. :wink:

By being racist. Have fun with all that.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:25 PM
K. Do you believe everything you read or just racial inflammatory pieces that justify your supposed glee/rage?

Clicking on a Thread is an personal option

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:26 PM
By being racist. Have fun with all that.

Well I'm sure as hell not the one crying

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:26 PM
Innocent and otherwise sympathetic whites don't get Pissed Off, because they know the difference.

It looks like only the guilty have something to hide.

Welp, that's a strong logical fallacy. Most of the whites that sit there and take the shit are white guilt types, so a swing and a miss there, champ.

The Xl
07-28-2015, 04:28 PM
Well I'm sure as hell not the one crying

No, you just post thousands of threads crying about stuff and race baiting. No crying there, no sir.

Private Pickle
07-28-2015, 04:29 PM
Clicking on a Thread is an personal option

So is race baiting but you're right...

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:35 PM
So is race baiting but you're right...

If you believe something is bait, why on earth would you bite? :rollseyes:

Mister D
07-28-2015, 04:44 PM
Sadly, I think "some" Whites are raised on the idea that they always occupy the moral high ground when it comes to race no matter how obnoxious they are.

Really. Who are these people? :huh:

Mister D
07-28-2015, 04:45 PM
I've very glad that racism and race doesn't dominate my personal life like it does this board. This $#@! is beyond tiresome at this point.

It doesn't dominate anyone's life except Cigar's After all, he's the only one who can't seem to stop talking about it.

Mister D
07-28-2015, 04:46 PM
You don't just notice...you make it up...then post it...all day...every day...then defend it with one-liners and trite unpleasantries.

In a nutshell

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:48 PM
Really. Who are these people? :huh:

With the Black People

Mister D
07-28-2015, 04:49 PM
With the Black People

What? You must be feeling a little punchy by now. No worries.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 04:49 PM
In a nutshell

Bitter and Angry is no way to go through life :grin:

Mister D
07-28-2015, 04:50 PM
Bitter and Angry is no way to go through life :grin:

I noticed. You are kind of pathetic.

Private Pickle
07-28-2015, 04:52 PM
If you believe something is bait, why on earth would you bite? :rollseyes:

How can one bite bait they point at and call bait? :huh:

Cthulhu
07-28-2015, 05:31 PM
PolWatch

Mom!

The shenanigans are approaching critical mass.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

PolWatch
07-28-2015, 06:17 PM
Please keep the discussion civil. Belittling of members is considered bad faith posting.

Cigar
07-28-2015, 06:19 PM
How can one bite bait they point at and call bait? :huh:

Fish Brains are complicated :laugh: I can't explain

Cigar
07-28-2015, 06:20 PM
I noticed. You are kind of pathetic.

I'm worse than that, you just got to get to know me partner :grin:

Refugee
07-29-2015, 04:30 AM
White ‘privilege’
An idea that white people in white majority societies enjoy a status of dominance over those of other colours, or should it be the other way around which would be equally racist, or should a minority be equal to a majority?
The idea that a minority should have equal input and/or status to a majority can’t exist outside the west and is an attempt to equalise minority cultural groups, having little to do with colour and/or racism. There are a majority of 62.2% white Americans and only 12.4% of minority Afro-Americans (2014).

Dispelling the ‘blacks only’ slavery myth

12146 12147

Slavery was officially abolished in 1865 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 abolished segregation. Before the revolution, white criminals were sent to the British colonies, an estimated 50,000 to 120,000, specifically to America and Australia, as were Scottish and Irish POWs, many being sold as slaves to the American South.
Australia was itself founded from a white penal slave colony.

‘In the 1600s, no one's racial background or religion automatically destined him or her for enslavement.’

‘There were many times more Whites brought to America as Slaves than there ever were Blacks. And the White Slaves were treated much worse!’

‘The fishermen and coastal dwellers of 17th-century Britain lived in terror of being kidnapped by pirates and sold into slavery in North Africa. Hundreds of thousands across Europe met wretched deaths on the Barbary Coast in this way. Professor Robert Davis investigates.’

Refugee
07-29-2015, 07:34 AM
Part 2.
Why has America assimilated racial minorities of all colours from all over the world, but throughout all countries in the west, a large and growing minority of blacks and Muslims have failed to assimilate? Why the need for ‘affirmative action’ for one particular group; replicated in various forms all over the west.
If it is indeed racism and white privilege, why are there so many wealthy black American middle class and so many poor white ‘trailer park trash’? If it is white privilege, why does America have a black President?

Why do some groups do better than others. Why is there no Hispanic, or Asian, or poor white ex-slave affirmative action? The reason is this and as sections of citizens continue the sub-culture non-assimilation, the minority will continue to be at the bottom of the ladder, irrespective of colour, both socially and economically – all over the west.

If ‘white privilege’ produced this

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Who is responsible for this

12149 12150

And how did this occur

12151 12152

It’s not about privilege, racism, slavery or everybody else’s fault – it’s about adopting the norms and values of the majority population – whichever country you’re in, wherever you go, right across the world. The more the west tries to normalise individual failure and collectivise it as an indigenous racial responsibility, the more it will continue and the worse it will become.

Cthulhu
07-29-2015, 08:28 AM
^^^^Maximum win.

Telling untold history and boldfaced facts is always groovy in my eyes.

Nobody learns of the Barbary Pirates, much less of Horizon Fear because of them in standard schooling.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 08:49 AM
Minorities in this country - not all of them but far too many of them are looking for freebies. Easy passes and they use slavery as a tool to access attention, resources and free shit.

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 08:49 AM
^^^^Maximum win.

Telling untold history and boldfaced facts is always groovy in my eyes.

Nobody learns of the Barbary Pirates, much less of Horizon Fear because of them in standard schooling.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.
Cthulhu - a real dude's cell phone would be kitten-munching, btw.

Cthulhu
07-29-2015, 04:56 PM
Cthulhu - a real dude's cell phone would be kitten-munching, btw.
He's on a temporary diet, doc says he needs puppies for a little while long.

Then it is back to kittens.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Safety
07-29-2015, 05:37 PM
White ‘privilege’
An idea that white people in white majority societies enjoy a status of dominance over those of other colours, or should it be the other way around which would be equally racist, or should a minority be equal to a majority?
The idea that a minority should have equal input and/or status to a majority can’t exist outside the west and is an attempt to equalise minority cultural groups, having little to do with colour and/or racism. There are a majority of 62.2% white Americans and only 12.4% of minority Afro-Americans (2014).

Dispelling the ‘blacks only’ slavery myth

12146 12147

Slavery was officially abolished in 1865 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 abolished segregation. Before the revolution, white criminals were sent to the British colonies, an estimated 50,000 to 120,000, specifically to America and Australia, as were Scottish and Irish POWs, many being sold as slaves to the American South.
Australia was itself founded from a white penal slave colony.

‘In the 1600s, no one's racial background or religion automatically destined him or her for enslavement.’

‘There were many times more Whites brought to America as Slaves than there ever were Blacks. And the White Slaves were treated much worse!’

‘The fishermen and coastal dwellers of 17th-century Britain lived in terror of being kidnapped by pirates and sold into slavery in North Africa. Hundreds of thousands across Europe met wretched deaths on the Barbary Coast in this way. Professor Robert Davis investigates.’


I've gone over this before in previous posts...nobody is denying that there were white slaves, the problem is the fact that an indentured servant and a chattel slave are two totally different animals. An indentured servant was someone who had a contract to serve someone for a preset amount of time in which after they were free. Chattel slavery was someone born into slavery with no hope of ever being free. After the John Casor case, chattel slavery was institutionalized in America and it was race based.

Safety
07-29-2015, 05:51 PM
Part 2.
Why has America assimilated racial minorities of all colours from all over the world, but throughout all countries in the west, a large and growing minority of blacks and Muslims have failed to assimilate? Why the need for ‘affirmative action’ for one particular group; replicated in various forms all over the west.
If it is indeed racism and white privilege, why are there so many wealthy black American middle class and so many poor white ‘trailer park trash’? If it is white privilege, why does America have a black President?

Why do some groups do better than others. Why is there no Hispanic, or Asian, or poor white ex-slave affirmative action? The reason is this and as sections of citizens continue the sub-culture non-assimilation, the minority will continue to be at the bottom of the ladder, irrespective of colour, both socially and economically – all over the west.

If ‘white privilege’ produced this

12148

Who is responsible for this

12149 12150

And how did this occur

12151 12152

It’s not about privilege, racism, slavery or everybody else’s fault – it’s about adopting the norms and values of the majority population – whichever country you’re in, wherever you go, right across the world. The more the west tries to normalise individual failure and collectivise it as an indigenous racial responsibility, the more it will continue and the worse it will become.

Well, for the most part, it has to do with the simple fact that the negro was never allowed to assimilate into the white culture until the 1960's. 1865 - 1965 is a hundred years of forcing a race of people to be second class citizens by the government. Sorry, but it is disingenuous to try and compare that with any other group who never experienced it. I will say that slaveowners viewed slaves as valuable property so that led to the Irish being used in more hazardous, life threatening work.

Then came the Conscription Act of 1863 which created tense relationships between the Irish and blacks. This act made all white men between the ages of twenty and forty-five years eligible for the draft by the Union Army. Free black men were permitted to "volunteer" to fight in the Civil War through the provisions of the Emancipation Proclamation. However, Blacks were not drafted or otherwise forced to fight. In addition, white men with money could illegally bribe doctors for medical exemptions, legally hire a substitute, or pay for a commutation of a draft. Lower-class workers could not afford to pay for deferments. The inequities in draft eligibility between blacks, monied whites, and lower-class whites (many of whom were Irish), inevitably increased racial tensions.

So, while I agree that adaptation to the culture is a crucial step in assimilation, you have to be afforded the opportunity to do so. That is the reason you see blacks the way they are today.

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 06:05 PM
He's on a temporary diet, doc says he needs puppies for a little while long.

Then it is back to kittens.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

There was a sex joke in there but ok...

Safety
07-29-2015, 06:15 PM
Minorities in this country - not all of them but far too many of them are looking for freebies. Easy passes and they use slavery as a tool to access attention, resources and free shit.

With the numbers that accept government "handouts" being similar in percentage, but the rate according to population being what is usually discussed, why are the minorities (blacks) scapegoated for government handouts and not the people in Kentucky and elsewhere accepting the same handouts? (hint, they ain't black)

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 06:38 PM
With the numbers that accept government "handouts" being similar in percentage, but the rate according to population being what is usually discussed, why are the minorities (blacks) scapegoated for government handouts and not the people in Kentucky and elsewhere accepting the same handouts? (hint, they ain't black)

I don't disagree (or agree actually but I'm not contesting) with the stats, my point was the method used to gain favoritism, or attempted.

Safety
07-29-2015, 06:40 PM
I don't disagree (or agree actually but I'm not contesting) with the stats, my point was the method used to gain favoritism, or attempted.

What method is used to gain favoritism that isn't used for people in Kentucky?

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 06:44 PM
What method is used to gain favoritism that isn't used for people in Kentucky?

Slavery, geez.

"The nation owes us something because of what happened to our forefathers".

Safety
07-29-2015, 06:48 PM
Slavery, geez.

"The nation owes us something because of what happened to our forefathers".

Where is the argument that government handouts are reparations for slavery?

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 06:50 PM
Where is the argument that government handouts are reparations for slavery?

You don't think some black people feel like their owed something?

Some, not all?

I know this is a touchy subject for you but be honest.

Safety
07-29-2015, 06:57 PM
You don't think some black people feel like their owed something?

Some, not all?

I know this is a touchy subject for you but be honest.

I think there are a lot of people who think they are owed something. There are a lot of white people who think blacks should still be segregated.

Are there some black people who think government handouts are what is owed to them, sure. The ones who think that are never going to be worth anything in life, and there is always something other than themselves to blame. But to make the claim that blacks are only getting government handouts, therefore, it is used to gain favoritism is disingenuous.

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 07:01 PM
I think there are a lot of people who think they are owed something. There are a lot of white people who think blacks should still be segregated.

Are there some black people who think government handouts are what is owed to them, sure. The ones who think that are never going to be worth anything in life, and there is always something other than themselves to blame. But to make the claim that blacks are only getting government handouts, therefore, it is used to gain favoritism is disingenuous.

That's not what I'm really saying and I can't disagree with your statement. I don't claim that the handouts issue is only valid for the black community, my point is that I think the slavery thing at this juncture is very disingenuous. It's been generations at this point, it's no longer valid.

Mac made a statement that I would be lying if I said I disagreed with it, but it was basically that black people are fortunate to have been brought to this country and on a positive note I agree with that. They like the rest of us imports have an opportunity to live a standard of life that many if not most in the world don't and we should be looking to take advantage of that opportunity, not feed off of it.

I guess that's how I look at it, right or wrong.

Safety
07-29-2015, 07:14 PM
That's not what I'm really saying and I can't disagree with your statement. I don't claim that the handouts issue is only valid for the black community, my point is that I think the slavery thing at this juncture is very disingenuous. It's been generations at this point, it's no longer valid.

Mac made a statement that I would be lying if I said I disagreed with it, but it was basically that black people are fortunate to have been brought to this country and on a positive note I agree with that. They like the rest of us imports have an opportunity to live a standard of life that many if not most in the world don't and we should be looking to take advantage of that opportunity, not feed off of it.

I guess that's how I look at it, right or wrong.

That is usually the gist of the conversation whenever things get too heated. There are many many people who think that, blacks included. However, we are judging an artificial future based upon past events. There is no telling how this country or any other place in the world would be if certain events had never taken place. Who's to say that if Lincoln had sent all blacks to Liberia like he wanted, what the outlook of America would be. There are some that think, if blacks were not here, then there would not be any racial problems and it would be like the 1950's all over again. Maybe, there would just be another group that would take the place of blacks in the sliding scale of racial purity. Maybe having blacks in America caused the focus of the population to be on them and the racial tensions in America and not annihilating another country like Russia during the cold war.

One thing I do know is, once people are content in their life, taking a guess as to how it would be different is a futile endeavor. If I was living in a mud hut picking bugs off of my children and that was all I knew, then I would have no way of missing the luxuries of life in America as I enjoy them today. One cannot miss what they never had.

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 07:21 PM
That is usually the gist of the conversation whenever things get too heated. There are many many people who think that, blacks included. However, we are judging an artificial future based upon past events. There is no telling how this country or any other place in the world would be if certain events had never taken place. Who's to say that if Lincoln had sent all blacks to Liberia like he wanted, what the outlook of America would be. There are some that think, if blacks were not here, then there would not be any racial problems and it would be like the 1950's all over again. Maybe, there would just be another group that would take the place of blacks in the sliding scale of racial purity. Maybe having blacks in America caused the focus of the population to be on them and the racial tensions in America and not annihilating another country like Russia during the cold war.

One thing I do know is, once people are content in their life, taking a guess as to how it would be different is a futile endeavor. If I was living in a mud hut picking bugs off of my children and that was all I knew, then I would have no way of missing the luxuries of life in America as I enjoy them today. One cannot miss what they never had.

First, we have a variety of... opinionated people in our culture. Lots of different viewpoints. So in one respect I always cringe a little when I go off on some rant about race because I know I'm raising the hairs on the necks of folks sensitive to the subject who I respect.

But, I'm not going to hold my thoughts back even at the risk of passionate ranting.

To address your point, I think that if this were a more racially compiled nation we would still have basically the same dysfunction. It's not race IMO that's the issue, race is an excuse. It's a "we're fat and happy and bored" thing. Too secure, I've said this before. When we had to chase shit down to eat to survive while not being eaten ourselves we were (and are) at our most productive. One doesn't have to be productive in this society to survive and human nature shows it's true colors in this respect where we do as little as possible in many cases because we can.

This explains the homeless phenomenon, the welfare advantage takers, drugs, theft, obesity, and on and on.

We need ebola or something, another world war. Bring dinosaurs back to life, this herd needs thinned and needs to be scared.

PolWatch
07-29-2015, 07:23 PM
Imaginary outcomes are almost always rosy. If only......

Safety
07-29-2015, 07:25 PM
First, we have a variety of... opinionated people in our culture. Lots of different viewpoints. So in one respect I always cringe a little when I go off on some rant about race because I know I'm raising the hairs on the necks of folks sensitive to the subject who I respect.

But, I'm not going to hold my thoughts back even at the risk of passionate ranting.

To address your point, I think that if this were a more racially compiled nation we would still have basically the same dysfunction. It's not race IMO that's the issue, race is an excuse. It's a "we're fat and happy and bored" thing. Too secure, I've said this before. When we had to chase shit down to eat to survive while not being eaten ourselves we were (and are) at our most productive. One doesn't have to be productive in this society to survive and human nature shows it's true colors in this respect where we do as little as possible in many cases because we can.

This explains the homeless phenomenon, the welfare advantage takers, drugs, theft, obesity, and on and on.

We need ebola or something, another world war. Bring dinosaurs back to life, this herd needs thinned and needs to be scared.

The more people are joined culturally, the more people will get along. I've told Mister D this before, I am probably closer to his thinking culturally than some folks from Dawsonville, GA.

Captain Obvious
07-29-2015, 07:45 PM
The more people are joined culturally, the more people will get along. I've told @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4) this before, I am probably closer to his thinking culturally than some folks from Dawsonville, GA.

Agreed, and tolerance is the flux that promotes this phenomenon too, not just racially but across gender borders, sexuality, religious, you name it.

Mister D
07-29-2015, 08:06 PM
The more people are joined culturally, the more people will get along. I've told @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4) this before, I am probably closer to his thinking culturally than some folks from Dawsonville, GA.

I'm not going to be dishonest and say I wouldn't move if my neighborhood became majority non-white. I would and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. That said, I have very little contact with poor whites because there just aren't many around here but class would certainly be a significant factor in who I'm comfortable around. Educated, middle class black people, such as yourself, or weirdo white hicks? Not a tough decision. You know, I think I just dislike poor people and lower class culture altogether. Not sure if I made myself out to be more or less of an asshole just now but whatever. Mister D keeps shit real. :afro:

Refugee
07-29-2015, 09:08 PM
No one is denying there were white slaves because few realise it and no one mentions it – which is why the consensus myth of slavery being responsible for a minority of black failure continues.

We can call people transported exiles, indentured servants, serfs or slaves . . . conditions were such that few ever returned, even if they survived the initial journey to the Americas or Australia. Slavery in the UK itself was only abolished by the Slavery Abolition Act as recently as 1833. My point is that historic slavery is no longer an excuse for the non-advancement of racial groups and is now used as the excuse.

Yes, it’s true that blacks were regarded as second class citizens until the 60s. That’s over half a century ago and you now have a high percentage black middle class and a black President. You also have laws prohibiting racism, equality laws against discrimination, equality of education, affirmative action . . . what are these other ‘opportunities’ that are needed? What you probably mean is equality opportunities are not producing equality outcomes and that’s because opportunities and their outcomes depend on the individual, not on colour, groups, or historical events.

Why are a minority of blacks over represented in welfare statistics according to population size, in the prison system, in crime . . . or conversely, why do drug addicts, gang members or single mothers experience the same dis-association and disfranchisement as some blacks. It’s a behavioural lifestyle choice.

Spot the difference. Both have a history of slavery.
Clue: The same occurs in all racial groups, colours and nationalities in the world.

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This person too will never assimilate in western society and it’s not because of a lack of opportunity, but of choice.

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Or these, whose future is already predictable, but who can’t rely on the excuse of racism, or historical slavery.

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The reason some blacks fail is a refusal to assimilate into the mainstream, but adopt alternative forms of lifestyle sub-cultures that actively prevent that. Colours, races and groups do not advance collectively, individuals advance and if it’s a lack of opportunity, or a history of slavery, you then need to explain why it affects some and not others, or why lifestyle choice failure occurs across the board in all societies, irrespective of racial origin, historical slavery or colour.

Safety
07-30-2015, 12:12 AM
No one is denying there were white slaves because few realise it and no one mentions it – which is why the consensus myth of slavery being responsible for a minority of black failure continues.

We can call people transported exiles, indentured servants, serfs or slaves . . . conditions were such that few ever returned, even if they survived the initial journey to the Americas or Australia. Slavery in the UK itself was only abolished by the Slavery Abolition Act as recently as 1833. My point is that historic slavery is no longer an excuse for the non-advancement of racial groups and is now used as the excuse.

Yes, it’s true that blacks were regarded as second class citizens until the 60s. That’s over half a century ago and you now have a high percentage black middle class and a black President. You also have laws prohibiting racism, equality laws against discrimination, equality of education, affirmative action . . . what are these other ‘opportunities’ that are needed? What you probably mean is equality opportunities are not producing equality outcomes and that’s because opportunities and their outcomes depend on the individual, not on colour, groups, or historical events.

Why are a minority of blacks over represented in welfare statistics according to population size, in the prison system, in crime . . . or conversely, why do drug addicts, gang members or single mothers experience the same dis-association and disfranchisement as some blacks. It’s a behavioural lifestyle choice.

Spot the difference. Both have a history of slavery.
Clue: The same occurs in all racial groups, colours and nationalities in the world.

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This person too will never assimilate in western society and it’s not because of a lack of opportunity, but of choice.

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Or these, whose future is already predictable, but who can’t rely on the excuse of racism, or historical slavery.

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The reason some blacks fail is a refusal to assimilate into the mainstream, but adopt alternative forms of lifestyle sub-cultures that actively prevent that. Colours, races and groups do not advance collectively, individuals advance and if it’s a lack of opportunity, or a history of slavery, you then need to explain why it affects some and not others, or why lifestyle choice failure occurs across the board in all societies, irrespective of racial origin, historical slavery or colour.


Once again, when you look at the history of this country you will see that throughout the years and generations you had a conscious effort to place obstacles and barriers in front of blacks to prevent any sort of assimilation and sense of belonging into society. Start with slavery and the mindset that african people were only allowed existence here to serve whites. Families were broken up and sent to different plantations to work, "bucks" were bought for their masculinity and pressured to breed with other "strong masculine" women to increase productivity like livestock. If a slave was caught trying to learn to read or get educated, they were either whipped or punished severely. That went on for generations. That is the beginning of breaking the will to overcome anything but being a slave. Then the North became the safe-haven for escaped slaves which slavers in the South took exception to, up to the point of starting a movement to break away from the Union and forming their own sovereign government. One of the prime reasons for seceding was over the efforts of the North in abolishing slavery and creating laws which would bring the negro equal protection as the white man. Then the civil war happened, and able bodied white men were drafted, those that could afford it received deferments, but the poor whites and Irish did not have the resources to achieve that, which created resentment towards the free blacks who were allowed to volunteer. After the war concluded and the slaves were freed, the South still did not accept the negro as being an equal, so Jim Crow laws came into effect...more resentment.

Freed blacks then came together and started building businesses and communities, but that wasn't enough, the KKK was started to make sure the blacks knew their place. The KKK included people of power, such as Sheriffs, Judges, City Councilmen, all people who controlled life, liberty, and freedom. As a second class citizen, you did not have a fair shake in the eyes of the law. You were judged and tried, not by a jury of your peers, but by whites that may or may not have a favorable opinion of you based upon your skin color. There was a striving black community in Tulsa, OK that was called during the early 1900's "black wall street", but it became not even a mention in any text books about the riot by whites who torched the town....
The Tulsa race riot was a large-scale, racially motivated conflict on May 31 and June 1, 1921, in which a group of whites attacked the black community of Tulsa, Oklahoma. It resulted in the Greenwood District, also known as 'the Black Wall Street'[1] and the wealthiest black community in the United States, being burned to the ground.

During the 16 hours of the assault, more than 800 people were admitted to local white hospitals with injuries (the two black hospitals were burned down), and police arrested and detained more than 6,000 black Greenwood residents at three local facilities.[2]:108–109 An estimated 10,000 blacks were left homeless, and 35 city blocks composed of 1,256 residences were destroyed by fire. The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Department of Vital Statistics was 39, but other estimates of black fatalities vary from 55 to about 300

More resentment towards blacks. Then we can mention the efforts of the 2nd world war which in 1941 fewer than 4,000 African Americans were serving in the military and only twelve African Americans had become officers. Most African Americans serving at the beginning of WWII were assigned to non-combat units and relegated to service duties, such as supply, maintenance, and transportation. Then the G.I bill which helped many after the war to go to college and buy homes was not afforded to blacks...
Once they returned home after the war, blacks faced not only discrimination but also poverty, which confronted most blacks during the 1940s and 1950s and represented another barrier to harnessing the benefits of the G.I. Bill, as poverty made seeking an education problematic while labor and income were needed at home. The United States Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), because of its strong affiliation to the all-white[1] American Legion and VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars), also became a formidable foe to many blacks in search of an education because it had the power to deny or grant the claims of black G.I.s. Additionally, banks and mortgage agencies refused loans to blacks, making the G.I. Bill even less effective for blacks ....thanks also to the Jim Crow effect of redlining.

Then we enter into the "civil rights" era of the 50's and 60's. More resentment towards blacks because they are making so much fuss over "equal rights". Between outright murder and intimidation tactics people still struggled and fought to be considered more than a 2nd class citizen. That supposedly happened in 1964 with the passage of the CRA, which when looking at the breakdown in the votes, the South voted "No" and the North voted "Yes". That was evidence of more resentment towards blacks in the South.

So, it was not just a smooth sailing for people of color once they were freed, they had to not only work hard, but be extraordinary in order to just be considered equal in some people's eyes. And also, it was not a matter of blacks refusing assimilation into the white culture, it was never allowed to happen.

Refugee
07-30-2015, 06:40 AM
Once again, when you look at the history of this country you will see that throughout the years and generations you had a conscious effort to place obstacles and barriers in front of blacks to prevent any sort of assimilation and sense of belonging into society. Start with slavery and the mindset that african people were only allowed existence here to serve whites. Families were broken up and sent to different plantations to work, "bucks" were bought for their masculinity and pressured to breed with other "strong masculine" women to increase productivity like livestock. If a slave was caught trying to learn to read or get educated, they were either whipped or punished severely. That went on for generations. That is the beginning of breaking the will to overcome anything but being a slave. Then the North became the safe-haven for escaped slaves which slavers in the South took exception to, up to the point of starting a movement to break away from the Union and forming their own sovereign government. One of the prime reasons for seceding was over the efforts of the North in abolishing slavery and creating laws which would bring the $#@! equal protection as the white man. Then the civil war happened, and able bodied white men were drafted, those that could afford it received deferments, but the poor whites and Irish did not have the resources to achieve that, which created resentment towards the free blacks who were allowed to volunteer. After the war concluded and the slaves were freed, the South still did not accept the $#@! as being an equal, so Jim Crow laws came into effect...more resentment.

Freed blacks then came together and started building businesses and communities, but that wasn't enough, the KKK was started to make sure the blacks knew their place. The KKK included people of power, such as Sheriffs, Judges, City Councilmen, all people who controlled life, liberty, and freedom. As a second class citizen, you did not have a fair shake in the eyes of the law. You were judged and tried, not by a jury of your peers, but by whites that may or may not have a favorable opinion of you based upon your skin color. There was a striving black community in Tulsa, OK that was called during the early 1900's "black wall street", but it became not even a mention in any text books about the riot by whites who torched the town....

More resentment towards blacks. Then we can mention the efforts of the 2nd world war which in 1941 fewer than 4,000 African Americans were serving in the military and only twelve African Americans had become officers. Most African Americans serving at the beginning of WWII were assigned to non-combat units and relegated to service duties, such as supply, maintenance, and transportation. Then the G.I bill which helped many after the war to go to college and buy homes was not afforded to blacks... ....thanks also to the Jim Crow effect of redlining.

Then we enter into the "civil rights" era of the 50's and 60's. More resentment towards blacks because they are making so much fuss over "equal rights". Between outright murder and intimidation tactics people still struggled and fought to be considered more than a 2nd class citizen. That supposedly happened in 1964 with the passage of the CRA, which when looking at the breakdown in the votes, the South voted "No" and the North voted "Yes". That was evidence of more resentment towards blacks in the South.

So, it was not just a smooth sailing for people of color once they were freed, they had to not only work hard, but be extraordinary in order to just be considered equal in some people's eyes. And also, it was not a matter of blacks refusing assimilation into the white culture, it was never allowed to happen.

Again, you’re reverting to history. What you’ve done in your post is given a Wiki quote based potted history of black American slavery. Bring it up to date with anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, equal opportunities and civil rights . . . What you now have to explain is why do some succeed and some fail if all had a history of slavery. Wiki won’t explain that for you, it’s something you need to think about yourself.

Why are European Muslims having the same problem as blacks in America, without the slavery excuse; because they too refuse to assimilate? The reason you’ll struggle is because you’re coming at it from a political colour and historic slavery narrative and not a cultural one. Slavery and colour is the excuse, alternative culture and an individual lifestyle choice is the answer.

Cthulhu
07-30-2015, 07:42 AM
There was a sex joke in there but ok...
Yeah ...I totally missed it. Figured it out...but, ah frack it.

*sits in corner, reads newly acquired 1963 Britannica encyclopedias*

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Cthulhu
07-30-2015, 07:45 AM
I think there are a lot of people who think they are owed something. There are a lot of white people who think blacks should still be segregated.

Are there some black people who think government handouts are what is owed to them, sure. The ones who think that are never going to be worth anything in life, and there is always something other than themselves to blame. But to make the claim that blacks are only getting government handouts, therefore, it is used to gain favoritism is disingenuous.
I am one of them, but not out of egocentrism or racism.

For whatever reasons there are, blacks and whites seem to have a hard time getting along with each other when coerces via a government. Perhaps some time apart could do both some good.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Safety
07-30-2015, 11:27 AM
I am one of them, but not out of egocentrism or racism.

For whatever reasons there are, blacks and whites seem to have a hard time getting along with each other when coerces via a government. Perhaps some time apart could do both some good.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

I don't know, when I was in college, it seems everyone got along pretty freaking well. Maybe it was more of that "similar culture" and less it being about race.

The Xl
07-30-2015, 11:36 AM
I don't know, when I was in college, it seems everyone got along pretty freaking well. Maybe it was more of that "similar culture" and less it being about race.

It's quite overblown. Well the extremes of both races have a bone to pick with each other? Yeah, probably, but most normal people are fine, especially so if they have the same culture and things in common.

Cthulhu
07-30-2015, 10:58 PM
I don't know, when I was in college, it seems everyone got along pretty freaking well. Maybe it was more of that "similar culture" and less it being about race.
I am inclined to agree. Culture and behavior has more to do with cohesion than appearances and biological differences.

Sent from my evil, puppy-munching cellphone.

Refugee
07-31-2015, 02:54 AM
Doggone it y’all, I think I done got myself some converts :smiley:

Look around you – the behaviour and power structure behind the elite, corporations and the bankers, or at mass immigration; the protests, the agenda/lobbyists/spokespersons and relate them to cultural group dominance. It will all become much clearer.

Testimonials

Pres’ Obama: ‘Slap my thigh and spread the wealth around, that Refugee’s a dude’
Selling bridges since 2008

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We the People: ‘Oh my Gawd, that Refugee, he’s just like so awesome ’
One Nation under Fox and CNN

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Rev. Jeremiah Wright: ‘Damn dat homie cracker boy, he sho’ done figure me out’
No crackers, no welfare

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:smiley_ROFLMAO:

Cigar
08-03-2015, 01:13 PM
Man convicted for threatening federal ranger during Bundy Ranch stand-off gets one day in jail (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/31/1407572/-Man-convicted-for-threatening-federal-ranger-during-Bundy-Ranch-stand-off-gets-one-day-in-jail)http://images.dailykos.com/images/80848/large/RTR3L0IP.jpg?1398803043

It seems like only yesterday that militia members were rushing to the aid of Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who has let his cattle graze on federal lands for two decades (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/22/1293756/-Cliven-Bundy-s-ancestral-rights-are-every-bit-as-authentic-as-the-gondolas-at-The-Venetian) without paying the associated fees and despite losing several lawsuits and defying numerous court orders to pay up. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/12/1291572/-Does-rancher-Bundy-have-a-legal-claim-No)
Cliven's refusal to pay and his insistence he had every right to let his cattle graze on federally protected lands spurred hundreds of militia members to take up the cause. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/10/1291105/-Cliven-Bundy-right-wing-extremist-domestic-terrorist-lawbreaker) Many of them were seen pointing weapons at federal officers near the ranch.


Well, justice has finally arrived for at least one federal ranger. Will Michael, a Pennsylvania man, has been sentenced for leaving a profanity-laced death threat on Chief Ranger Mike Roop's voicemail: (http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-emmaus-man-sentenced-threats-federal-ranger-20150728-story.html)



On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Mitchell S. Goldberg in Philadelphia sentenced Michael, 24, to one day of imprisonment, to be followed by three years' supervised release, and a $200 special assessment. Under federal sentencing guidelines, Michael could have been sentenced to 15 to 21 months behind bars. Goldberg ordered Michael to complete 50 hours of community service and write a letter of apology to Roop. He must also keep a job and apply to at least three colleges by the end of the year.

Emphasis added. Look, Michael is young and leaving the threatening voicemail was a terrible lapse of judgement. But, what about the men (and women) around the Bundy Ranch who posed very real, very armed threats to federal agents? And what would the reaction be if a Black Lives Matter protester left a profanity-laced death threat for a federal officer? Still think they'd get a one day prison sentence? Not likely.


Must be nice ... :rollseyes:

JDubya
08-06-2015, 12:32 AM
White Privilege: Translation: Black excuse making.

Safety
08-06-2015, 01:15 AM
White Privilege: Translation: Black excuse making.

I didn't know Hispanics, Indians, and Asians were black, might want to send out a memo...

silvereyes
08-06-2015, 11:10 AM
I didn't know Hispanics, Indians, and Asians were black, might want to send out a memo...

Da hell ya say? I gots mines. LOL.

Captain Obvious
08-19-2015, 06:46 AM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/782/603/808.jpg

JDubya
08-25-2015, 03:00 PM
I didn't know Hispanics, Indians, and Asians were black, might want to send out a memo...

Those people aren't the ones going around accusing whites of having unfair privileges.

Safety
08-25-2015, 03:18 PM
Those people aren't the ones going around accusing whites of having unfair privileges.

You sure 'bout that?

http://blog.angryasianman.com/2015/03/enter-white-privilege.html
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/01/27/there-problem-discerning-racism-white-privilege-southwest-airlines-flight-30000-feet
http://thoughtcatalog.com/nicholle-lamartina/2014/02/being-a-white-latina-a-reflection-on-racial-and-ethnic-identities/

Anything else you want to assume you know?

JDubya
08-25-2015, 09:07 PM
You sure 'bout that?

http://blog.angryasianman.com/2015/03/enter-white-privilege.html
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/01/27/there-problem-discerning-racism-white-privilege-southwest-airlines-flight-30000-feet
http://thoughtcatalog.com/nicholle-lamartina/2014/02/being-a-white-latina-a-reflection-on-racial-and-ethnic-identities/

Anything else you want to assume you know?

Pretty much what I figured you'd do @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226).... dredge up two or three examples of some non-black minority group member with an axe to grind against whites & try to pass that off as being equal to the constant litany of diaper pissing out of black America about how whitey be gittin all de breaks.

Nowhere close to the same thing.

I was gonna say "nice try", but it wasn't.

"Lame attempt" is more like it.

Safety
08-25-2015, 09:08 PM
Pretty much what I figured you'd do @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226).... dredge up two or three examples of some non-black minority group member with an axe to grind against whitey & try to pass that off as being equal to the constant litany of diaper pissing out of black America about how whitey be gittin all de breaks.

Nowhere close to the same thing.

I was gonna say "nice try", but it wasn't.

"Lame attempt" is more like it.
Translation: I was talking out my ass and got caught...again.

Try some new material, brah.

del
08-25-2015, 09:10 PM
Pretty much what I figured you'd do @Safety (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1226).... dredge up two or three examples of some non-black minority group member with an axe to grind against whites & try to pass that off as being equal to the constant litany of diaper pissing out of black America about how whitey be gittin all de breaks.

Nowhere close to the same thing.

I was gonna say "nice try", but it wasn't.

"Lame attempt" is more like it.


nice sheet

fitted?

Safety
08-25-2015, 09:12 PM
nice sheet

fitted?

shitted

Fixed if for ya.

Mister D
08-25-2015, 09:22 PM
nice sheet

fitted?

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e41/179/4bf/resized/clean-sheen-meme-generator-let-s-do-some-lines-today-new-lines-757fc7.jpg

Safety
08-25-2015, 09:24 PM
http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e41/179/4bf/resized/clean-sheen-meme-generator-let-s-do-some-lines-today-new-lines-757fc7.jpg

http://images.rapgenius.com/91455701a55f8ee475e63aa9ce0dcc40.445x317x1.jpg

??

Mister D
08-25-2015, 09:26 PM
http://images.rapgenius.com/91455701a55f8ee475e63aa9ce0dcc40.445x317x1.jpg

??

I love that little bit of Hennessy to wash it down. :laugh:

Safety
08-25-2015, 09:27 PM
I love that little bit of Hennessy to wash it down. :laugh:

Gotta have a chaser. :rofl:

JDubya
08-25-2015, 10:02 PM
$#@!ted

Fixed if for ya.

Shîtting on yourself is not something you ought to be boasting about.

JDubya
08-25-2015, 10:11 PM
T̶r̶a̶n̶s̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶:̶ I was talking out my ass and got caught...again.

Try some new material, brah.

Fixed it for ya.

Safety
08-25-2015, 10:43 PM
Shîtting on yourself is not something you ought to be boasting about.


Fixed it for ya.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1594623/manu3.gif

silvereyes
09-02-2015, 03:31 PM
White Privilege: Translation: Black excuse making.

Thats bullshit, and you know it. You can't seriously think that there are no whites who haven't experienced privileges not available to other races. There is no fucking way.

Common
09-02-2015, 03:36 PM
I think the term White Privlidge is a turn off to many. Most whites dont view themselves as privledged. I think it would be more accepted if it was worded differently.

Whites get favored treatment by simply being the majority. They have advantages in employment and other areas.

Mister D
09-02-2015, 03:55 PM
I think the term White Privlidge is a turn off to many. Most whites dont view themselves as privledged. I think it would be more accepted if it was worded differently.

Whites get favored treatment by simply being the majority. They have advantages in employment and other areas.

They are treated favorably by whom?

Common Sense
09-02-2015, 03:56 PM
They are treated favorably by whom?

Landlords, employers, police, store owners, banks...

Mister D
09-02-2015, 03:58 PM
Landlords, employers, police, store owners, banks...

Why do non-white landlords, employers, police, store owners, and bank employees treat white people so favorably?

Common Sense
09-02-2015, 04:01 PM
Why do non-white landlords, employers, police, store owners, and bank employees treat white people so favorably?

Do they?

If they do it's most likely because they assume they have money or are responsible. You know, that privilege we have for being white.

Cigar
09-02-2015, 04:01 PM
Landlords, employers, police, store owners, banks...

Don't bother ... :rollseyes:

Redrose
09-02-2015, 04:05 PM
Thats bullshit, and you know it. You can't seriously think that there are no whites who haven't experienced privileges not available to other races. There is no fucking way.


That was true years ago, very true, but not any longer. We have a president who is a person of color, privilege is no longer limited to the white race.

We have non-white millionaires, billionaires, governors, mayors, corporate CEO's, Oscar winners, Nobel Prize winners, Generals, scientists, astronauts.

Mister D
09-02-2015, 04:06 PM
Do they?

If they do it's most likely because they assume they have money or are responsible. You know, that privilege we have for being white.

Hey, you said it. So it's only white people favoring whites?

According to you they do. You said it. So maybe they're onto something. It's interesting that non-whites would find whites to be more responsible. Ain't that somethin' :smiley:

Common Sense
09-02-2015, 04:16 PM
That was true years ago, very true, but not any longer. We have a president who is a person of color, privilege is no longer limited to the white race.

We have non-white millionaires, billionaires, governors, mayors, corporate CEO's, Oscar winners, Nobel Prize winners, Generals, scientists, astronauts.

Women are also moving up the corporate ladder. Does that mean that all women are treated equally and face no prejudice? Of course not.

Common Sense
09-02-2015, 04:17 PM
Hey, you said it. So it's only white people favoring whites?

According to you they do. You said it. So maybe they're onto something. It's interesting that non-whites would find whites to be more responsible. Ain't that somethin' :smiley:

You seem to think you have "got me". Your feelings on the issue are known to me. Go try someone else.

Mister D
09-02-2015, 04:21 PM
You seem to think you have "got me". Your feelings on the issue are known to me. Go try someone else.

Got you? No, I think we're onto something but that something is probably more disturbing to you than your initial argument so I understand why you want to just drop it. No worries. :smiley:

Common
09-02-2015, 04:21 PM
They are treated favorably by whom?

Other whites D, you dont believe that white candidates get favored from white interviewers many times for one example ?

Mister D
09-02-2015, 04:26 PM
Other whites D, you dont believe that white candidates get favored from white interviewers many times for one example ?

I don't doubt that whites favor other whites whether consciously or unconsciously but we don't call that Chinese privilege in China or black privilege in Zimbabwe. Catch my drift? White America is downright pathological.

Cigar
09-02-2015, 04:26 PM
That was true years ago, very true, but not any longer. We have a president who is a person of color, privilege is no longer limited to the white race.

We have non-white millionaires, billionaires, governors, mayors, corporate CEO's, Oscar winners, Nobel Prize winners, Generals, scientists, astronauts.

... and WhaLaa ... it's all over ... :laugh:

Mister D
09-02-2015, 04:27 PM
BTW, Common, you sometimes wonder why Nigrum Americanus is so unreasonable. It's because you allow him to be.

Redrose
09-02-2015, 04:28 PM
Women are also moving up the corporate ladder. Does that mean that all women are treated equally and face no prejudice? Of course not.


No of course not, but the barriers have collapsed. They can achieve a CEO position, Carly Fiorina for example. The glass ceiling is broken and now it's up to the individual to get there.

Same for the race issue. Success is based on the individuals skills, education, personality, drive, etc. Color is out of the equation now.

Cigar
09-02-2015, 04:29 PM
You seem to think you have "got me". Your feelings on the issue are known to me. Go try someone else.

You have to understand, some people's greatest achievement in life is the color of the Mother they were born from.

That's all they talk about and that's all they have to offer.

That's it ... :laugh:

Common Sense
09-02-2015, 04:30 PM
No of course not, but the barriers have collapsed. They can achieve a CEO position, Carly Fiorina for example. The glass ceiling is broken and now it's up to the individual to get there.

Same for the race issue. Success is based on the individuals skills, education, personality, drive, etc. Color is out of the equation now.

No one is doubting that barriers have been broken and we have made strides, but that doesn't mean that white privilege no longer exists.

Color, unfortunately is still very much part of the equation.

It's easy to say it's not. Particularly if you are not a person of color. Look the President is black, therefore everything is equal now.

texan
09-02-2015, 04:32 PM
Cry me a river with this BS!

Take care of your business get educated work hard and you don't need this crutch no matter your color.

Such Horse-crap.