Webb is running for President -

[PattyHill]

Should continue to expand the debate on the Democratic side. More at link. I still think his decision to only do one Senate term will hurt him, along with other factors. But glad he's joined the race anyway, even though I don't think I'll support him.

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/07/02/jim-webb-facts/




Military decorationsWebb, a 1968 graduate of the Naval Academy, is a highly decorated Vietnam veteran. He received the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Hearts for his service.
State of the Union responseIn January 2007, not long after taking his Senate seat, Webb was tapped to deliver the Democratic response to President George W. Bush’s State of the Union Address. Webb concluded his remarks with a blistering attack on Bush’s conduct of the Iraq war. Bush, Webb said , “took us into this war recklessly” and the nation was now “held hostage to the predictable *and predicted * disarray that has followed.”

[Mac-7]

Should continue to expand the debate on the Democratic side. More at link. I still think his decision to only do one Senate term will hurt him, along with other factors. But glad he's joined the race anyway, even though I don't think I'll support him.

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/07/02/jim-webb-facts/

Not many female Hillary voters are going to abandon her for a more sensible democrat like Webb who does not even have a vagina.

[maineman]

I am backing my personal hero, Jim Webb, for president. I will contribute to his campaign and vote for him in the Maine primary if he is on the ballot. In November of 2016, I will vote for the democratic party nominee.

[PolWatch]

I'm glad he formally entered the race. He predicted the outcome of the invasion of Iraq almost to the smallest detail....before the invasion and there are records to document it. I'm glad to see more dems willing to challenge Hillary.

[zelmo1234]

I am backing my personal hero, Jim Webb, for president. I will contribute to his campaign and vote for him in the Maine primary if he is on the ballot. In November of 2016, I will vote for the democratic party nominee.

Jim is the only Democratic Candidate that I could vote for. Tell you what if it came down to Jim Webb or Jeb Bush, I would vote for Webb. I think he is about as honest as you will find in a politician.

[Captain Obvious]

He's the guy with the Vietnamese wife, right?

[Bob]

I'm glad he formally entered the race. He predicted the outcome of the invasion of Iraq almost to the smallest detail....before the invasion and there are records to document it. I'm glad to see more dems willing to challenge Hillary.

The smallest detail? I am led to believe all that was top secret at CENTCOM

I never learned Webb told state secrets in a prediction.

[Bob]

Jim is the only Democratic Candidate that I could vote for. Tell you what if it came down to Jim Webb or Jeb Bush, I would vote for Webb. I think he is about as honest as you will find in a politician.

He took a step backward when he changed parties to become a democrat.

[maineman]

The smallest detail? I am led to believe all that was top secret at CENTCOM

I never learned Webb told state secrets in a prediction.the details of his accurate predictions concerning Iraq were infinitely more accurate than those of the administration goons like Perle, Cheney, and Wolfowitz who were hawkng the war to begin with.

[Peter1469]

Webb is an American hero unlike all others running for office. I don't agree with his politics, but he is the only one that is really worth an ounce of salt.

[Green Arrow]

Why would voluntarily leaving office after one term hurt him? That only increases him in my estimation. I have nothing against people that have been in the Senate for a long time (purely on that basis), but someone popular who voluntarily quit even when guaranteed re-election is someone who puts principles over power. I feel like I can trust him as president.

[PolWatch]

He also resigned as Secretary of the Navy. He resigned over differences with Reagan about the reduction of Naval forces. I find the idea of a president who actually knows something about the military appealing. My impression of presidents who have actually served in an active duty capacity is that they are not as fast to want to play Rambo. They don't seem to have the unresolved issues of those who sat out the nation's conflicts in a safe area.

[Ransom]

He also resigned as Secretary of the Navy. He resigned over differences with Reagan about the reduction of Naval forces. I find the idea of a president who actually knows something about the military appealing. My impression of presidents who have actually served in an active duty capacity is that they are not as fast to want to play Rambo. They don't seem to have the unresolved issues of those who sat out the nation's conflicts in a safe area.

I'd like to submit some corrections here.

1. the idea of a president who actually knows something about the military is appealing...if it's a (D)
2. the "My impression of presidents" who have actually served in an active duty capacity is that they are not as fast to want to play Rambo...that impression comes from Oprah
3. They don't seem to have the unresolved issues ...if it's a (D)

[Ransom]

I am backing my personal hero, Jim Webb, for president. I will contribute to his campaign and vote for him in the Maine primary if he is on the ballot. In November of 2016, I will vote for the democratic party nominee.

The 'steamroller' has a little less steam this am, huh?

The rubber stamp for Obama announces he's running......

The USS Hillary Clinton for President starts to get abandoned.:biglaugh:

[Bob]

the details of his accurate predictions concerning Iraq were infinitely more accurate than those of the administration goons like Perle, Cheney, and Wolfowitz who were hawkng the war to begin with.

The left has never backed that up with facts.

[PattyHill]

He's the guy with the Vietnamese wife, right?

Yes, he is.

from article in op


Webb, 69, is married to wife Hong Le Webb, a Vietnamese-American attorney who came to the United States as a child after Saigon fell. The couple have one child together. Jim Webb has three children from previous marriages, and Hong Le Webb has a daughter from a prior marriage.

[Bob]

He also resigned as Secretary of the Navy. He resigned over differences with Reagan about the reduction of Naval forces. I find the idea of a president who actually knows something about the military appealing. My impression of presidents who have actually served in an active duty capacity is that they are not as fast to want to play Rambo. They don't seem to have the unresolved issues of those who sat out the nation's conflicts in a safe area.

Funny, I have a number of books on the Reagan administration by various authors yet none being up Webb.

Funny innit? Webb seems to have been a bigger hero in his own mind than in the minds of historians.

[PattyHill]

Why would voluntarily leaving office after one term hurt him? That only increases him in my estimation. I have nothing against people that have been in the Senate for a long time (purely on that basis), but someone popular who voluntarily quit even when guaranteed re-election is someone who puts principles over power. I feel like I can trust him as president.


I personally think that the people who put him in office expected him to stay longer. It's a lot of work and money to become a senator; and you don't have much power your first term. To move on to another, more powerful office, is one thing; but to walk away before you have really been in a position to help your constituents is, to me, a bad thing. That is of course my own opinion.

I have vague impressions of him being too militaristic for me; he may end up causing Ms. Clinton to look positively non-interventionist. But we'll see what happens with Mr. Sanders on the left, Mr. Webb on the right, and Ms. Clinton and Mr. Chaffee and Mr. O'Malley more or less spread over spectrum between them.

Obviously we'll hear more about his views as the campaign moves forward. I did find this from an article:


The Virginian is progressive on a few major issues, including the military and campaign spending, but he’s far to the center or even right on others: He's against affirmative action, supports gun rights, and is a defender of coal. During the George W. Bush administration, Democrats loved to have him as a foil to the White House. It’s hard to imagine the national electorate will cotton to him in the same way. Webb’s statement essentially saying he had no problem with the Confederate battle flag flying in places like the grounds of the South Carolina capitol may have been the final straw. (At 69, he’s also older than Hillary Clinton, whose age has been a topic of debate, though still younger than Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden.)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/2016-election/384828/

[Ransom]

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[Ransom]

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[Common]

Webb is a good man and he is one my top picks.

[PattyHill]

I'm sure he is a good man. Would he be a good president? Well, we have time to get to know him.

[suds00]

all I can say is bravo.

[Ransom]

Webb might be a good man. He's a better Democrat. An even better rubber stamp. His votes yes include:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as health care reform, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, or stimulus bill, the New START nuclear arms agreement with Russia, what we know as the 'reset', the DREAM Act, which would grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants who serve in the military or attend college, and the Supreme Court nominations of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor who both surprise no one with their partisan activist rulings.

He's a rubber stamp. A yes man. He voted for Stimulus and Obamacare......but y'all think he should be President....because he's a good man(when you really don't even know him)

:biglaugh:

[Ransom]

I'm sure he is a good man. Would he be a good president? Well, we have time to get to know him.

For you Liberals, yes.

[maineman]

Webb might be a good man. He's a better Democrat. An even better rubber stamp. His votes yes include:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as health care reform, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, or stimulus bill, the New START nuclear arms agreement with Russia, what we know as the 'reset', the DREAM Act, which would grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants who serve in the military or attend college, and the Supreme Court nominations of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor who both surprise no one with their partisan activist rulings.

He's a rubber stamp. A yes man. He voted for Stimulus and Obamacare......but y'all think he should be President....because he's a good man(when you really don't even know him)

:biglaugh:

I've known more about him for forty years than you know about him today.

[Bob]

Webb might be a good man. He's a better Democrat. An even better rubber stamp. His votes yes include:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as health care reform, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, or stimulus bill, the New START nuclear arms agreement with Russia, what we know as the 'reset', the DREAM Act, which would grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants who serve in the military or attend college, and the Supreme Court nominations of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor who both surprise no one with their partisan activist rulings.

He's a rubber stamp. A yes man. He voted for Stimulus and Obamacare......but y'all think he should be President....because he's a good man(when you really don't even know him)

:biglaugh:

But but, the left claims they knew him first. LOL

I have a few hundred history books. Webb is not mentioned in the books talking of Reagan. Guess he was not as important as his bio claims he is.

[Common]

Webb might be a good man. He's a better Democrat. An even better rubber stamp. His votes yes include:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as health care reform, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, or stimulus bill, the New START nuclear arms agreement with Russia, what we know as the 'reset', the DREAM Act, which would grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants who serve in the military or attend college, and the Supreme Court nominations of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor who both surprise no one with their partisan activist rulings.

He's a rubber stamp. A yes man. He voted for Stimulus and Obamacare......but y'all think he should be President....because he's a good man(when you really don't even know him)

:biglaugh:

Some people agree with all those votes

[PolWatch]

But but, the left claims they knew him first. LOL

I have a few hundred history books. Webb is not mentioned in the books talking of Reagan. Guess he was not as important as his bio claims he is.

Try reading the books again....

During the Reagan Administration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Administration), Webb served as the nation's first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Secretary_of_Defense_for_Reserve_Affairs ) from 1984 to 1987. During his time as Assistant Secretary, Webb sought to reorganize the Marine Corps. He was gravely concerned with the disarray the Marines had fallen into post-Vietnam: drug use, racial infighting, and low morale within the Corps left him with the impression it was no longer America's premier fighting force. The Marine Corps was also rocked by two scandals during this time: the Clayton Lonetree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Lonetree) espionage affair, where Lonetree became the first Marine convicted of espionage, and Marine Lt. Colonel Oliver North (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North)'s central role in the Iran-Contra affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair).
In 1987, he served as Secretary of the Navy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_the_Navy), becoming the first Naval Academy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Academy) graduate to serve as the civilian head of the Navy. As Navy Secretary, Webb pushed the appointment of Alfred M. Gray, Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Gray,_Jr.) as Commandant of the Marine Corps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commandant_of_the_Marine_Corps), hoping that Gray could reshape the Corps into the elite unit it once was.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#cite_note-Ricks1997-26) Webb resigned in 1988 after refusing to agree to reduce the size of the Navy. Webb had wished to increase the Navy to 600 ships (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy). As revealed in The Reagan Diaries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reagan_Diaries), President Ronald Reagan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) wrote on February 22, 1988: "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."[27] wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#cite_note-Reagan-27)

[Bob]

Try reading the books again....

During the Reagan Administration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Administration), Webb served as the nation's first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Secretary_of_Defense_for_Reserve_Affairs ) from 1984 to 1987. During his time as Assistant Secretary, Webb sought to reorganize the Marine Corps. He was gravely concerned with the disarray the Marines had fallen into post-Vietnam: drug use, racial infighting, and low morale within the Corps left him with the impression it was no longer America's premier fighting force. The Marine Corps was also rocked by two scandals during this time: the Clayton Lonetree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Lonetree) espionage affair, where Lonetree became the first Marine convicted of espionage, and Marine Lt. Colonel Oliver North (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North)'s central role in the Iran-Contra affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair).
In 1987, he served as Secretary of the Navy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_the_Navy), becoming the first Naval Academy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Academy) graduate to serve as the civilian head of the Navy. As Navy Secretary, Webb pushed the appointment of Alfred M. Gray, Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Gray,_Jr.) as Commandant of the Marine Corps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commandant_of_the_Marine_Corps), hoping that Gray could reshape the Corps into the elite unit it once was.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#cite_note-Ricks1997-26) Webb resigned in 1988 after refusing to agree to reduce the size of the Navy. Webb had wished to increase the Navy to 600 ships (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/600-ship_Navy). As revealed in The Reagan Diaries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reagan_Diaries), President Ronald Reagan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) wrote on February 22, 1988: "I don't think Navy was sorry to see him go."[27] wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#cite_note-Reagan-27)

ha ha ha

Don't you believe that prior to my post I grabbed my books and looked up Webb in the index?

You will of course be asked to forgive me since I do not own his thick 5 volume set in his diaries.

I do have Reagan in his own hand . Webb is not in the book.

Reagan did offer the opinion shown in wikipedia that the Navy was not sorry to see him go, so why hire him now? Do you honestly want the Navy expanded to 600 ships?

[PattyHill]

And of course there are the books Mr. Webb has written. Apparently some of them get a bit racy. Good for him!


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/wildest-5-passages-books-ex-sen-webb-article-1.2030531




WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Former Sen. Jim Webb last week announced his decision to form an exploratory committee for a possible 2016 bid, becoming the first person from either party to throw his hat in the ring. But years before Webb was a candidate or a senator, he was a writer of war novels that contained steamy and explicit sex scenes. Here are the 5 most jaw-dropping passages.

[Bob]

Try reading the books again??????????????????

That crap makes me laugh. I never got a reply from a book, it came from an online source.

[Bob]

Webb had his chance as a then Republican Sec. of the Navy and blew his own chances. I mean, he quit. He could have stayed longer but he got into a snit and quit.

I see temper problems for Webb.

PS, Hillarys machine will make this all public.

[Green Arrow]

Webb might be a good man. He's a better Democrat. An even better rubber stamp. His votes yes include:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as health care reform, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, or stimulus bill, the New START nuclear arms agreement with Russia, what we know as the 'reset', the DREAM Act, which would grant citizenship to undocumented immigrants who serve in the military or attend college, and the Supreme Court nominations of Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor who both surprise no one with their partisan activist rulings.

He's a rubber stamp. A yes man. He voted for Stimulus and Obamacare......but y'all think he should be President....because he's a good man(when you really don't even know him)

:biglaugh:

Ah, yes...the ACA...only bad when Democrats do it.

Stimulus? Only bad when Democrats do it. \

DREAM Act? Okay when Republican Marco Rubio supports it, bad when Democrats support it.

Partisan SCOTUS Justices? Great when they are right-wing partisans, bad when they are left-wing partisans.

[PolWatch]

ha ha ha

Don't you believe that prior to my post I grabbed my books and looked up Webb in the index?

You will of course be asked to forgive me since I do not own his thick 5 volume set in his diaries.

I do have Reagan in his own hand . Webb is not in the book.

Reagan did offer the opinion shown in wikipedia that the Navy was not sorry to see him go, so why hire him now? Do you honestly want the Navy expanded to 600 ships?

You will go to any extreme to avoid admitting you were wrong...won't you? You are the one saying you have a few hundred history books. Perhaps you really don't know everything?

[Bob]

You will go to any extreme to avoid admitting you were wrong...won't you? You are the one saying you have a few hundred history books. Perhaps you really don't know everything?

I fail to see how this comes down to making bob the topic.

[Ransom]

Some people agree with all those votes

So then must also agree he's an Obama rubber stamp. Obama agreed with them all too.

[Ransom]

Ah, yes...the ACA...only bad when Democrats do it.

Every Republican opposed the ACA.


Stimulus? Only bad when Democrats do it.

Republicans voted against the Stimulus as well.


DREAM Act? Okay when Republican Marco Rubio supports it, bad when Democrats support it.

W supported it too when you Democrats opposed it.


Partisan SCOTUS Justices? Great when they are right-wing partisans, bad when they are left-wing partisans.

You're going to tell me that you have predicted W's appointments to the tee...while Obama's you've been unsure of? Why be disingenuous GA, why only some days and not others?

[Ransom]

I've known more about him for forty years than you know about him today.

Scurry off afore that thing sinks on ya!

[Ransom]

If you were going to do something of this magnitude, you have to do it with some clarity, with a clear set of objectives from the White House. ... It should have been done with better direction from the White House. ... Five different congressional committees voted out their version of health-care reform, and so you had 7,000 pages of contradictory information. Everybody got confused. ... From that point forward, Obama’s had a difficult time selling himself as a decisive leader.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-webb-blasts-obama-obamacare-2012-4#ixzz3er2wYvp3

Really Jim......you're coming out speaking to effective leadership after you voted for this thing that came out of several committee's and was an obvious disaster that no one knew what was in it.....that ACA?

[Ransom]

“I told him this was going to be a disaster,” Webb recalls. “The president believed it was all going to work out.”

:biglaugh:

http://blog.heartland.org/2010/11/jim-webb-i-warned-the-president-about-obamacare/

[Green Arrow]

Every Republican opposed the ACA.

When the Democrats decided to lead the effort to pass it. But one year before the Democrats decided to pass it, Republican senators like Chuck Grassley were signing onto legislation that was the forerunner of the ACA.


Republicans voted against the Stimulus as well.

A lot of Republicans...but Sens. Snowe, Collins, and Specter were all Republicans and all voted yes on stimulus.

Of course, as I pointed out...the GOP only opposed stimulus en masse when a Democrat was President. When Republican George W. Bush was president...well, they all loved stimulus back then. Or have you already forgotten the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, which was voted for by 165 Republican members of the House of Representatives and 33 Republican Senators.


W supported it too when you Democrats opposed it.

I'm not a Democrat, Ransom. But thanks for proving my point...the DREAM Act was only bad when Obama supported it.


You're going to tell me that you have predicted W's appointments to the tee...while Obama's you've been unsure of? Why be disingenuous GA, why only some days and not others?

There are eight partisan members of SCOTUS and one non-partisan member. That's four Republicans, four Democrats, and one Independent.

[Bob]

The actual truth on Senator Grassley

http://www.grassley.senate.gov/issues-legislation/issues/health-care

Health CareMedical breakthroughs, quality health care services, healthier lifestyles and miracle drugs are helping advance longevity rates and expectations among Americans. Health care ranks among the public’s most important policy issues. First and foremost, it's a matter of life and death. It's also an economic anchor and major employer in many communities. The U.S. health care system rings up $2.2 trillion in annual spending.
From Senator Grassley's leadership position on the Senate Finance Committee, he works to find policy solutions that will make health care coverage more affordable and health care services accessible and accountable. In recent years, Congress responded to grassroots messages calling for portability of health insurance, curbing practices that denied coverage for pre-existing health conditions and creating a Medicare prescription drug benefit.
In 2003, Senator Grassley steered through Congress the first-ever, comprehensive, voluntary Medicare prescription drug benefit. The public health insurance program for seniors and disabled individuals now has 39 million beneficiaries who are enrolled in Part D.
Senator Grassley also says consumers shouldn’t have to second-guess what’s in their medicine cabinets, and he's been riding hard on the Food and Drug Administration to improve its surveillance system to ensure the safety of drugs once they’ve reached the marketplace. He also wants better labeling standards that give consumers the information they need to know, such as risks associated with anti-depressant medications prescribed to youth and Tylenol, as examples.
Representing Iowa in the U.S. Senate allows Senator Grassley to wear his advocacy for Rural America on his sleeve. He has long championed federal policy (such as fixing flawed federal reimbursement formulas) that will help keep hometown hospitals and community health care centers open for business and able to recruit and retain high quality health professionals. He works to help improve quality of care standards and ensure patients and taxpayers get the most bang for their buck; ensure rural pharmacies get fair treatment under Medicare Part D; root out improper payments in the Medicare and Medicaid programs; strengthen federal standards regulating physician-owned hospitals; and strengthen enforcement and oversight of federal nursing home standards.
After a seven-year campaign by Senator Grassley, the bipartisan Family Opportunity Act made it to the President’s desk. Signed in 2006, the law encourages parents to work and get ahead without sacrificing health coverage for their children with special needs. It allows parents to buy Medicaid coverage without impoverishing their families.
Senator Grassley continues to work to identify achievable solutions that will expand coverage to the 47 million uninsured. Health care services provided to the uninsured results in costs shifted to paying customers and private insurers.
Senator Grassley last year continued his longstanding efforts for rural health care by authoring a major reform to the Medicare formula used to reimburse physicians and other health care professionals in rural areas, and it became law this year. Grassley’s formula fix was added to the health care legislation during Finance Committee consideration of the proposal and improved the Senate bill’s provisions for rural health care. Grassley said these formulas are fundamentally important to how well Medicare works for beneficiaries in rural states. This year, Grassley has continued to work to ensure physician access for beneficiaries, most recently with legislation he cosponsored that was enacted in July to reverse the 21-percent payment cut that was jeopardizing access to physician services for Medicare beneficiaries.
From a senior position in the U.S. Senate, Senator Grassley presses on for health policy that helps individuals afford coverage; promotes wellness, preventive care and disease management; takes into account the financial impact on employers, small businesses and taxpayers; and, steers Americans to become conscientious consumers of the health care system.
Tell Senator Grassley what you think about this issue. (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/constituents/questions-and-comments)

[Bob]

Let's study the ACA the correct way.

Has health care improved for each of us? No
Has your cost fallen as Obama promised? No
Has your deductible gone up or down? In general it skyrocketed
Is your insurance about to spring enormous increases on you to keep your plan? Definitely
Did ACA cover everybody. No

Why not? Screwed up law. Many exemptions given out by Obama. Delays in plan starting by Obama.

Oh by the way, Bush agreed to plan D Drug program. Study Democrats votes. A lot of them hated it and were very angry it passed.

Comparing republicans to Democrats is futile.

[suds00]

he doesn't have the baggage others do.his background is fairly impressive.

[zelmo1234]

Funny, I have a number of books on the Reagan administration by various authors yet none being up Webb.

Funny innit? Webb seems to have been a bigger hero in his own mind than in the minds of historians.

You need to look into Mr. Webb, he is a solid guy and does act on his belief. Now I don't agree with everything that he thinks but he is a good man, and not to far out in la. la land

[maineman]

Robots like Bob will oppose Jim Webb simply because he is a democrat. He has never read a word Webb has written or has taken the time to acquaint himself with any of Webb's positions.

[maineman]

Scurry off afore that thing sinks on ya!

if Jim Webb were elected president, he woild be the highest decorated military man ever to hold the office.

All the chickenhawks would seem to ignore THAT facta.

[zelmo1234]

Robots like Bob will oppose Jim Webb simply because phe is a democrat. He has never read a word Webb has written or has taken the time to acquaint himself with any of Webb's positions.

Don't get me wrong I would rather see Walker, Perry, Carly, Rubio? than Webb but there is a long list of progressive republicans that I would put behind Webb

[zelmo1234]

if Jim Webb were elected president, he woild be the highest decorated military man ever to hold the office.

All the chickenhawks would seem to ignore THAT facta.

Modern,, Grant, and Washington are the highest.

[Bob]

You need to look into Mr. Webb, he is a solid guy and does act on his belief. Now I don't agree with everything that he thinks but he is a good man, and not to far out in la. la land

My problem with Webb is the same as Rand, Cruz and others. No hands on experience running government.

I am also very disappointed he did not work well with Reagan.

To compound that sin, he did not get along with G,.W Bush who is very easy to get along with.

Bear in mind, he is an adult and realized who he wants to represent by becoming a democrat. They are very loyal to each other. I was one myself.

With respect to your views, I will return to CSPAN where he disappointed me to see if I can reconsider him.

It is also early in the game. Thanks for your advice.

[maineman]

Modern,, Grant, and Washington are the highest.Were either awarded the Army Cross or Medal of Honor? Rank is not a decoration.

[zelmo1234]

Were either awarded the Army Cross or Medal of Honor?

The were the highest ranking and most decorated. But I do not know if the medals changed back then.

But he would be the modern substitute for that. I am not trying to take anything away from him.

And for those that remember the Regan disagreement? I think that had to do with the reduction in the surface fleet and attention to Carriers and Subs Both wanted to expand the Navy

[Bob]

Robots like Bob will oppose Jim Webb simply because he is a democrat. He has never read a word Webb has written or has taken the time to acquaint himself with any of Webb's positions.

If Webb announced tomorrow he regrets being a Democrat and becomes a republican again, you would never vote for him.

My record of Democrat presidents I voted for start with John Kennedy + Johnson and last, Carter.

How many republicans did you help elect?

If anybody is the robot, peek at your mirror.

We must return to electing experienced presidents. Webb lacks it. He was difficult to work with when he was in government.

[birddog]

If Webb announced tomorrow he regrets being a Democrat and becomes a republican again, you would never vote for him.

My record of Democrat presidents I voted for start with John Kennedy + Johnson and last, Carter.

How many republicans did you help elect?

If anybody is the robot, peek at your mirror.

We must return to electing experienced presidents. Webb lacks it. He was difficult to work with when he was in government.


Even so, Webb is the best democrat that is running. Kind of sad really!

[Bob]

Even so, Webb is the best democrat that is running. Kind of sad really!

Yes, I believe you are correct. I pray they elect Webb to run against the republican.

[Green Arrow]

Let's study the ACA the correct way.

Has health care improved for each of us? No
Has your cost fallen as Obama promised? No
Has your deductible gone up or down? In general it skyrocketed
Is your insurance about to spring enormous increases on you to keep your plan? Definitely
Did ACA cover everybody. No

Why not? Screwed up law. Many exemptions given out by Obama. Delays in plan starting by Obama.

Oh by the way, Bush agreed to plan D Drug program. Study Democrats votes. A lot of them hated it and were very angry it passed.

Comparing republicans to Democrats is futile.

Actually, it's pretty fucking easy if you don't have your head up your ass.

[Mac-7]

Actually, it's pretty $#@!ing easy if you don't have your head up your ass.

Another snide personal remark by GA toward Bob.

So many examples on so many different threads makes green arrow look rather angry and unhappy.

[Green Arrow]

Another snide personal remark by GA toward Bob.

So many examples on so many different threads makes green arrow look rather angry and unhappy.

I'm actually very happy. I just enjoy smacking Bob around. He initiated our conflict, not me. I'm just the United States versus Japan circa World War II.

[maineman]

If Webb announced tomorrow he regrets being a Democrat and becomes a republican again, you would never vote for him.

that is a false statement.

[PolWatch]

that is a false statement.

save your energy....you are trying to reason with someone who thinks Jim Webb should be ignored because 'he did not work well with Reagan'. :rollseyes:

[PattyHill]

Yes, I believe you are correct. I pray they elect Webb to run against the republican.


A true republican would want the weakest democrat to win the primary, wouldn't they?

[Bob]

A true republican would want the weakest democrat to win the primary, wouldn't they?

All I can tell you is I really long for the old crowd that once posted here.

Alyosha, Animal Lover and a host of the vanished. It was fun

[Mac-7]

A true republican would want the weakest democrat to win the primary, wouldn't they?

Webb has the same chance as Bernie or Bill Clinton's coattails.

they all start with about 46% of the vote locked up if they win the democrat nomination.

[Green Arrow]

All I can tell you is I really long for the old crowd that once posted here.

Alyosha, Animal Lover and a host of the vanished. It was fun

Yeah, you would like the liars and imaginary people. That's your cup of tea.

[Bob]

Yeah, you would like the liars and imaginary people. That's your cup of tea.

You annoyed me at first. Now I feel sorry for you. You had your chance and decided to blow it.

[Ransom]

if Jim Webb were elected president, he woild be the highest decorated military man ever to hold the office.

All the chickenhawks would seem to ignore THAT facta.

Higher than General George Washington, U.S. Grant, or Eisenhower? Wow.

[Ransom]

if Jim Webb were elected president, he woild be the highest decorated military man ever to hold the office.

All the chickenhawks would seem to ignore THAT facta.

My you're such a sycophant

[donttread]

If Webb announced tomorrow he regrets being a Democrat and becomes a republican again, you would never vote for him.

My record of Democrat presidents I voted for start with John Kennedy + Johnson and last, Carter.

How many republicans did you help elect?

If anybody is the robot, peek at your mirror.

We must return to electing experienced presidents. Webb lacks it. He was difficult to work with when he was in government.

Bob what real differences ( as inaction , not words) do you percieve to exist between the repubs and dems?

[Bob]

Bob what real differences ( as inaction , not words) do you percieve to exist between the repubs and dems?
donttread
I have explained this in the past. I am happy to try to clear this up again.

Let's take the game of Chess. Though both play the game, one side has white and the other black, it does not mean they share a common goal.

Black wants to win not lose.

Suppose in my example, the public got to vote.

And each side realized they need the vote to win.

The problem for both sides is not their abilities or goals, but the public.

Republicans have serious intentions. But that does no good when they have no power. Once in a blue moon, they have a president in DC. At times they manage to get some control over the House. The Senate has been a huge problem.

Voters want what they want.

Trying to wrap this up.

We decide that if we do not get what we want, we blame one of the two parties. That is proper since one has most power.

The side lacking power makes promises.

Guess what they promise?

The almost same thing the other side promises.
The winning side sets up the parameters.

Now finally

Who has ran America for the past 100 years?

You may say, presidents run the country.

In ways they do. But not in all ways.

Who wanted ACA? Obama

How much help did he get from republicans? They were blocked. Even when they tried to help, Democrats blocked them out.

We can't blame the ACA on republicans.

But the main point is the public votes to fill it's own pocketbook.

Democrats steal from the rich and make offers to their voters.

I mean, how can republicans win?

In the past 100 years, the Democrats had all the power three times. 3 times and the republicans had none.

If they are the same thing, why do Democrat manage to keep them out of power?

The public is why. They want what democrats offer.

Give republicans the chance to have president and both houses and you will see serious changes.

If you do not understand, I can try again.

Summary
Most blame parties

I put more blame on we the voters

[donttread]

@donttread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=922)
I have explained this in the past. I am happy to try to clear this up again.

Let's take the game of Chess. Though both play the game, one side has white and the other black, it does not mean they share a common goal.

Black wants to win not lose.

Suppose in my example, the public got to vote.

And each side realized they need the vote to win.

The problem for both sides is not their abilities or goals, but the public.

Republicans have serious intentions. But that does no good when they have no power. Once in a blue moon, they have a president in DC. At times they manage to get some control over the House. The Senate has been a huge problem.

Voters want what they want.

Trying to wrap this up.

We decide that if we do not get what we want, we blame one of the two parties. That is proper since one has most power.

The side lacking power makes promises.

Guess what they promise?

The almost same thing the other side promises.
The winning side sets up the parameters.

Now finally

Who has ran America for the past 100 years?

You may say, presidents run the country.

In ways they do. But not in all ways.

Who wanted ACA? Obama

How much help did he get from republicans? They were blocked. Even when they tried to help, Democrats blocked them out.

We can't blame the ACA on republicans.

But the main point is the public votes to fill it's own pocketbook.

Democrats steal from the rich and make offers to their voters.

I mean, how can republicans win?

In the past 100 years, the Democrats had all the power three times. 3 times and the republicans had none.

If they are the same thing, why do Democrat manage to keep them out of power?

The public is why. They want what democrats offer.

Give republicans the chance to have president and both houses and you will see serious changes.

If you do not understand, I can try again.

Summary
Most blame parties

I put more blame on we the voters

You can rationalize with the best of em. And I've worked with addicts

[Ransom]

Well, hawk on about debt then in one thread while supporting those behind all the debt spending. Counselor.

[Bob]

You can rationalize with the best of em. And I've worked with addicts

i wasted a lot of my time talking to you.

[donttread]

Well, hawk on about debt then in one thread while supporting those behind all the debt spending. Counselor.

Whom do you see as responsable for the debt?

[birddog]

Whom do you see as responsable for the debt?


They are all responsible. Obama will be the worst before he's through. The total historical debt will have essentially doubled before he's through. His total numbers are unprecedented, and he has accomplished nothing positive for our country in the meantime!

Both parties overspend, represent overseas trade poorly, and contribute to an economy killing illegal alien problem!

[Ransom]

Whom do you see as responsable for the debt?

Our entitlement spending.....our unfunded mandates dominate our debt, donttread. As you don't understand that.....you believe it's discretionary spending on wars or homeland security...when it isn't.

Look to our unfunded mandates, what puts us in the most debt every year.....year after year...it's entitlements, donttread. If you'd simply do any homework at all, you'd easily see that. You'd rather remain ignorant and that's ok too. Long as you're aware.

[Ransom]

www.usdebtclock.org (http://www.usdebtclock.org)

What is to blame?

Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare.

[The Sage of Main Street]

He also resigned as Secretary of the Navy. He resigned over differences with Reagan about the reduction of Naval forces. I find the idea of a president who actually knows something about the military appealing. My impression of presidents who have actually served in an active duty capacity is that they are not as fast to want to play Rambo. They don't seem to have the unresolved issues of those who sat out the nation's conflicts in a safe area. Post Cowardice Stress Disorder is a serious but neglected problem. It was even described in Shakespeare. Bush was a drunk for 10 years because of it; Limbaugh drifted from job to job. Chickendoves like Clinton and Biden had no problem handling it because they were against the foreign policy and never proved they would have run away from a war they believed in.

[Ransom]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/04/21/2A3BD03100000578-0-image-a-39_1436041497647.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftundratabloids.com%2F2015%2F07%2F 95314.html&ei=VsuaVfu_JITb-QHb0774Dg&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cWw&psig=AFQjCNFbTBFmkjE_iTJodL4AD9Vj8RjacA&ust=1436294356352087)

Hillary guiding her sheep by rope. This is a real picture apparently, I'll add the link.

What did one rat say to the other rat?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/team-hillary-lasso-reporters-idea-once-again-fuels-annoyed-queen-narrative/

[Ransom]

Jim Webb should be all over this. Bring his beautiful wife out, in front of the cameras, talk to people, be warm and receptive. If that picture is real, it's quite a telling picture is it not? Would anyone else running for President in the history of this nation rope the media into a box and define their movement while you wave and wander?

This is the Democrat who is the leading democrat. Unapproachable. Roping the media. You people should be proud, you should rejoice, this is your candidate. Cuddly little Grandmotherly Hillary the wolverine Clinton. And I don't care who you are...that pic is f'n funny. That is a classic!

[Green Arrow]

When the Democrats decided to lead the effort to pass it. But one year before the Democrats decided to pass it, Republican senators like Chuck Grassley were signing onto legislation that was the forerunner of the ACA.



A lot of Republicans...but Sens. Snowe, Collins, and Specter were all Republicans and all voted yes on stimulus.

Of course, as I pointed out...the GOP only opposed stimulus en masse when a Democrat was President. When Republican George W. Bush was president...well, they all loved stimulus back then. Or have you already forgotten the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, which was voted for by 165 Republican members of the House of Representatives and 33 Republican Senators.



I'm not a Democrat, Ransom. But thanks for proving my point...the DREAM Act was only bad when Obama supported it.



There are eight partisan members of SCOTUS and one non-partisan member. That's four Republicans, four Democrats, and one Independent.
Ransom, don't think I haven't noticed you're trying to avoid answering real questions. I've noticed.

[maineman]

The 'steamroller' has a little less steam this am, huh?

The rubber stamp for Obama announces he's running......

The USS Hillary Clinton for President starts to get abandoned.

my personal decision to back my life long hero has not altered my opinion of the inevitability of a Clinton nomination in the slightest.

[birddog]

Hillary could have another stroke, and Webb could be the nominee. Time will tell.

[Ransom]

@Ransom (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=724), don't think I haven't noticed you're trying to avoid answering real questions. I've noticed.

I haven't seen you ask questions much less try to avoid, GA. Furthermore, you're in tpf. Answering questions on these threads aren't required.

[Ransom]

my personal decision to back my life long hero has not altered my opinion of the inevitability of a Clinton nomination in the slightest.

I understand your recent tone and anger. Your life long hero is a mere stamp made of rubber. A me too politician. Voted with Obama and Harry Reid, he was a useful tool.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Hillary could have another stroke, and Webb could be the nominee. Time will tell. Over the Hillary was also considered a shoo-in for the 2008 nomination. Why do people ignore that history this time around?

[Ransom]

my personal decision to back my life long hero has not altered my opinion of the inevitability of a Clinton nomination in the slightest.

I understand, Maine. And it's highly entertaining to me. You'll back Webb because you do think he has a chance, you do truly believe he can be heard from in some of these primary states, gain momentum, and challenge the 'inevitable.' It was just another ridiculous statement on your part, Lance, let me have my fun. You.....amuse me.

[maineman]

I understand your recent tone and anger. Your life long hero is a mere stamp made of rubber. A me too politician. Voted with Obama and Harry Reid, he was a useful tool.

I am not angry about a thing. Webb voted with Obama and Reid on those issues because he agreed with them on those issues. I don't see why you find a democrat who votes with other democrats to be some thing irregular or unexpected, or even as a sign of weakness. How many times have Rubio, Graham, Cruz or Santorum voted against THEIR party's president or THEIR party's Senate leader?

[maineman]

I understand, Maine. And it's highly entertaining to me. You'll back Webb because you do think he has a chance, you do truly believe he can be heard from in some of these primary states, gain momentum, and challenge the 'inevitable.' It was just another ridiculous statement on your part, Lance, let me have my fun. You.....amuse me.

As I have said many a time before, and you seem incapable of comprehending, I do NOT think that Webb has much of a chance at all against Hillary. I fully expect her to be my party's nominee and I fully intend to vote for her in the general election. My reasons for supporting Jim Webb are personal and not political.

[Ransom]

I am not angry about a thing. Webb voted with Obama and Reid on those issues because he agreed with them on those issues. I don't see why you find a democrat who votes with other democrats to be some thing irregular or unexpected, or even as a sign of weakness. How many times have Rubio, Graham, Cruz or Santorum voted against THEIR party's president or THEIR party's Senate leader?

Webb voted all of this debt in.......right along with Reid and Obama, Maine. He voted in Obamacare....and I've already linked him claiming he explained to the President that is was going to be a disaster! Why then did you vote for it....cause you're a yes man. A politician. A rubber stamp. A Party hack, an Establishment insider.

[maineman]

Webb voted all of this debt in.......right along with Reid and Obama, Maine. He voted in Obamacare....and I've already linked him claiming he explained to the President that is was going to be a disaster! Why then did you vote for it....cause you're a yes man. A politician. A rubber stamp. A Party hack, an Establishment insider.

couldn't seem to answer the questions I posed to you, eh?

why am I not surprised?

[Ransom]

As I have said many a time before, and you seem incapable of comprehending, I do NOT think that Webb has much of a chance at all against Hillary. I fully expect her to be my party's nominee and I fully intend to vote for her in the general election. My reasons for supporting Jim Webb are personal and not political.

'not much of' a chance is still a chance, Maine. And it's July of 2015. The primaries don't start for another 6 months or more. Webb isn't known yet, hasn't even been announced for an entire week. Let him be heard from and like Sanders, he'll start shaving votes from Hillary.....who is still roping herself off from the media. Literally.

You not voting for her given your inevitable steam roller quotes and now tripping over yourself to explain it is amusing...and only promises to get even more amusing.

You're on a roll, Lance.

[maineman]

'not much of' a chance is still a chance, Maine. And it's July of 2015. The primaries don't start for another 6 months or more. Webb isn't known yet, hasn't even been announced for an entire week. Let him be heard from and like Sanders, he'll start shaving votes from Hillary.....who is still roping herself off from the media. Literally.

You not voting for her given your inevitable steam roller quotes and now tripping over yourself to explain it is amusing...and only promises to get even more amusing.

You're on a roll, Lance.

I am glad I amuse you. I have never tripped over myself on this issue from the very beginning. I have explained my connection to Webb, my affinity for him, and my sense of loyalty to him. I have stated that I will vote for him in the Maine primary if he is still a candidate, but that I fully expect Hillary to be our nominee, and she'll get my vote if she is, because she will be my party's nominee, and because she will be an infinitely better choice than any of the clowns riding in the GOP clown car, imho.

and the name is "maineman", not "lance".

maybe I'll start calling you "rat's cum"... how'd that be?

[Ransom]

I am glad I amuse you. I have never tripped over myself on this issue from the very beginning.

You're running in circles rather than tripping, your posts are amusing and I'm glad you're glad.


I have explained my connection to Webb, my affinity for him, and my sense of loyalty to him. I have stated that I will vote for him in the Maine primary if he is still a candidate, but that I fully expect Hillary to be our nominee, and she'll get my vote if she is, because she will be my party's nominee, and because she will be an infinitely better choice than any of the clowns riding in the GOP clown car, imho.

We already know she'll get your vote. She's the next rubber stamp, the next Obama III. Both are rubber stamp, establishment politicians. Webb explains to the President the health care insurance initiative will be a fiasco....and then duly votes for it, his party over his constituents the way he rolls.


and the name is "maineman", not "lance".

maybe I'll start calling you "rat's cum"... how'd that be?

I've nicknamed many. Debt Clock, Walnut, Dr. Dumpty, Junior, yours given for your wholesale and hook, line, and sinker belief in the Lancet Study. I thought it telling and fitting into a pattern concerning your posts and thus I commented on it. All you had to say was you were offended by it, I'll cease and desist if it hurts your feelings. It is accurate.

We've exchanged a few posts Maine(can I call you Maine?). No need to get your dander raised, I understand you don't like me, it's ok. I haven't exactly been all that Christian as I slay your arguments in here, especially exposing those arguments concerning the Iraq War, the Lancet Study you take for fact only one example. You can ask me to refer to you by your avatar name, I'll even add the 'man' to Maine if that upsets you. I don't share your thin skin and thus...you can call me whatever you'd like, if it makes you 'feel' better, unleash hades on me. I've never reported anyone, never taken offense, don't really care. But understand that you do.

Do they celebrate the 4th of July in Mexico?

[Ransom]

I also note.....you do believe Webb has a chance. As the primaries draw near, you're going to be even more convinced he has a shot.

You an I will then have yet another conversation, I've got some links to refer to concerning your previous statements.

[zelmo1234]

I look at it this we Webb is the best person for the country that the Democrats have in the race

If the GOP progressives get their way and Bush the 3rd is the nominee, then the democrats will win the WH.

I would much rather see Webb than Bush, in that race I will actually vote for Web and not a 3rd party.

[PolWatch]

I have not seen a candidate I would leave the house for....yet. Rand, Webb, Sanders seem to be the most interesting of the mainstream candidates. I'm hoping a decent 3rd option announces.

[maineman]

You're running in circles rather than tripping, your posts are amusing and I'm glad you're glad. again, ratscum, I have never run around in any circles on this issue. I am a democrat. You are not. You have nothing bad to say about republican senators who vote with their party's leaders or their party's president.




We already know she'll get your vote. She's the next rubber stamp, the next Obama III. Both are rubber stamp, establishment politicians. Webb explains to the President the health care insurance initiative will be a fiasco....and then duly votes for it, his party over his constituents the way he rolls.


his constituents voted for him, in large measure, because he was a democrat and they wanted the democratic platform and agenda advanced. that's how politics works.



I've nicknamed many. Debt Clock, Walnut, Dr. Dumpty, Junior, yours given for your wholesale and hook, line, and sinker belief in the Lancet Study. I thought it telling and fitting into a pattern concerning your posts and thus I commented on it. All you had to say was you were offended by it, I'll cease and desist if it hurts your feelings. It is accurate.

I place more credence in the Lancet study than you do. We'll just agree to disagree. We both know that your focus on the methodology of the study is just your way of obfuscating and attempting to shift the conversation so you can wash the blood of thousands and thousands of dead, innocent Iraqi civilians off your hands.


We've exchanged a few posts Maine(can I call you Maine?). No need to get your dander raised, I understand you don't like me, it's ok. I haven't exactly been all that Christian as I slay your arguments in here, especially exposing those arguments concerning the Iraq War, the Lancet Study you take for fact only one example. You can ask me to refer to you by your avatar name, I'll even add the 'man' to Maine if that upsets you. I don't share your thin skin and thus...you can call me whatever you'd like, if it makes you 'feel' better, unleash hades on me. I've never reported anyone, never taken offense, don't really care. But understand that you do.
I feel nothing for you. You amuse me, and your irrational belief in your own intelligence is the source of that amusement


Do they celebrate the 4th of July in Mexico? "They"? who's "they". I certainly did. I swam with whale sharks in the morning and then partied on Playa Norte in Isla Mujeres until the wee hours. And you? Hot dogs on the hibachi on the balcony of your tiny apartment? A few cans of miller lite? Yahoo!

[Ransom]

again, ratscum, I have never run around in any circles on this issue. I am a democrat. You are not. You have nothing bad to say about republican senators who vote with their party's leaders or their party's president.

I thought your steamroller and inevitable arguments concerning Hillary were amusing given Webb's entry into the race means she doesn't even get your vote.


his constituents voted for him, in large measure, because he was a democrat and they wanted the democratic platform and agenda advanced. that's how politics works.

Did they want Obamacare that he told the President would be a disaster?


I place more credence in the Lancet study than you do. We'll just agree to disagree. We both know that your focus on the methodology of the study is just your way of obfuscating and attempting to shift the conversation so you can wash the blood of thousands and thousands of dead, innocent Iraqi civilians off your hands.

It' obvious you give it more "credence" even using the exact numbers from the study. Thus it earned you your nickname.


I feel nothing for you. You amuse me, and your irrational belief in your own intelligence is the source of that amusement

then you won't mind my appropriate nickname for you. Lance.:biglaugh:


"They"? who's "they". I certainly did. I swam with whale sharks in the morning and then partied on Playa Norte in Isla Mujeres until the wee hours. And you? Hot dogs on the hibachi on the balcony of your tiny apartment? A few cans of miller lite? Yahoo!

I didn't think those that hated America drank Miller Lite. And by "they", I meant those who hate the United States, swimming with or without whale sharks.

[Ransom]

I have not seen a candidate I would leave the house for....yet. Rand, Webb, Sanders seem to be the most interesting of the mainstream candidates. I'm hoping a decent 3rd option announces.

=Hillary voter.

[Captain Obvious]

=Hillary voter.

=butt sniffer

[Mac-7]

I prefer liberals who admit they are democrats and openly support the democrat cause to the slinky libs who hide in the shadows.

Both are Hillary voters but only one is honest enough to admit it.

[maineman]

I thought your steamroller and inevitable arguments concerning Hillary were amusing given Webb's entry into the race means she doesn't even get your vote. the fact that I have a deep and personal connection to Jim Webb has never changed the dynamic of Hillary's dominance in the race. I realize that my vote for Webb in a primary will be a wasted vote, and his chances of gaining the nomination are minuscule. That will not stop me from voting for him. I would be disappointed in myself if I would not show my own support for my personal hero given the opportunity to do so.


Did they want Obamacare that he told the President would be a disaster?
They wanted our healthcare system fixed. Obamacare is the first step towards single payer which is where we ought to head.



It' obvious you give it more "credence" even using the exact numbers from the study. Thus it earned you your nickname.


exact numbers are irrelevant. Thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians lost their lives when we invaded Iraq.



then you won't mind my appropriate nickname for you. Lance.


whatever blows your skirt up, ratscum.



I didn't think those that hated America drank Miller Lite. And by "they", I meant those who hate the United States, swimming with or without whale sharks.

I don't hang with anyone here in Mexico that hates the United States. I've actually never even met anyone here that feels that way. I love my country. Served it long and well. I associate exclusively with expats who share that sentiment.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I am glad I amuse you. I fully expect Hillary to be our nominee, and she'll get my vote if she is, because she will be my party's nominee, and because she will be an infinitely better choice than any of the clowns riding in the GOP clown car, imho.

and the name is "maineman", not "lance".

maybe I'll start calling you "rat's cum"... how'd that be? Rancid is a clone of Chris. Unfortunately, the Mods who created him mixed in Benjamin Button genes by mistake. Imagine Chris as a ten-year-old and you've placed Ransom where he belongs.

[Ransom]

the fact that I have a deep and personal connection to Jim Webb has never changed the dynamic of Hillary's dominance in the race. I realize that my vote for Webb in a primary will be a wasted vote, and his chances of gaining the nomination are minuscule. That will not stop me from voting for him. I would be disappointed in myself if I would not show my own support for my personal hero given the opportunity to do so.

Oh ok.


They wanted our healthcare system fixed. Obamacare is the first step towards single payer which is where we ought to head.

'They' addressed health insurance....not the entire healthcare system, Maine. Furthermore, your being amusing continues, here we have the government who cannot even build the website necessary.....their ability to actually provide health care highlighted by the corruption and inefficiencies of the VA...and yet you'd like to take these examples and expand it to the entire nation? Part of why I find you so amusing, the absolute unreason and nonsense you strobe on with almost daily.

e
xact numbers are irrelevant. Thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians lost their lives when we invaded Iraq.

Oh no....you used the exact numbers given to you by the Lancet Study proving how easily led by the nose you are. It's not irrelevant, it spells out exactly who and what ewe are, Maine......baaaaaaa.


whatever blows your skirt up, ratscum.

Thanks.


I don't hang with anyone here in Mexico that hates the United States. I've actually never even met anyone here that feels that way. I love my country. Served it long and well. I associate exclusively with expats who share that sentiment.

:biglaugh: No you f'n don't, you prove that daily.

[PolWatch]

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.Lrivugc2tyRDkGK99vzrVQ&pid=15.1&rs=1&c=1&qlt=95&w=118&h=97
slinky lib stalking more con victims....wily critters those slinkys! :shocked:

[Ransom]

Rancid is a clone of @Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128). Unfortunately, the Mods who created him mixed in Benjamin Button genes by mistake. Imagine Chris as a ten-year-old and you've placed @Ransom (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=724) where he belongs.

You sure you have the right clone analogy there? Chris? I mean.....I'm a rabid right wing radical neocon just to the right of Attila on most political issues. Savagely conservative. Biased. Partisan. And quite smart.

None of those assets come close to Chris, I'm confused by the analogy, Sage. I'm not really a fence sitter, can I be compared to someone else. Genghis Khan or Hannibal? Charles Martel or William the Conqueror?

I've enough little stickers on the fuselage of my Argument Destroying fighter plane...I'm even running out of space I've slayed so many dragons...many of them yours, Sage.

And I get compared to a fence sitter?

Boy......I should report you......that's insulting!!!

See that Chris.....I'm stunned.

[maineman]

Oh ok.

good. So you will refrain from erroneously suggesting that I am somehow incorrect when I state that, even though I will be voting for Jim Webb, I believe that Hillary's candidacy is asymptotically approaching certainty.




'They' addressed health insurance....not the entire healthcare system, Maine. Furthermore, your being amusing continues, here we have the government who cannot even build the website necessary.....their ability to actually provide health care highlighted by the corruption and inefficiencies of the VA...and yet you'd like to take these examples and expand it to the entire nation? Part of why I find you so amusing, the absolute unreason and nonsense you strobe on with almost daily.


the government's ability to provide healthcare is one of the reasons that idiotic tea baggers were holding up signs saying "keep your socialist hands off my medicare"



Oh no....you used the exact numbers given to you by the Lancet Study proving how easily led by the nose you are. It's not irrelevant, it spells out exactly who and what ewe are, Maine......baaaaaaa.

I put more faith in the Lancet study than you do. If you disagree with it, that's fine. The real issue that you run from is that thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis lost their lives because of our invasion of their country.





No you f'n don't, you prove that daily.

your irrelevant opinion is simply that. I served my country for a quarter of a century in uniform. Your contribution has been.....?????

[Ransom]

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.Lrivugc2tyRDkGK99vzrVQ&pid=15.1&rs=1&c=1&qlt=95&w=118&h=97
slinky lib stalking more con victims....wily critters those slinkys! :shocked:

PolWatch's comments in here one of the reasons I don't think pot should be legalized.

[Ransom]

good. So you will refrain from erroneously suggesting that I am somehow incorrect when I state that, even though I will be voting for Jim Webb, I believe that Hillary's candidacy is asymptotically approaching certainty.

asymptotically approaching certainty? :biglaugh: You ain't voting for her, Maine!


the government's ability to provide healthcare is one of the reasons that idiotic tea baggers were holding up signs saying "keep your socialist hands off my medicare"


I'm sorry. where do you see the government's "ability" to provide healthcare? Medicare isn't "providing healthcare", health care in this country is a private industry. You are so funny.


I put more faith in the Lancet study than you do. If you disagree with it, that's fine. The real issue that you run from is that thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis lost their lives because of our invasion of their country.


No, you put all your faith in Lancet, used their numbers almost to the T, have defended the study numerous times. It was a politically inspired study to instill hatred for this nation and George W. Bush and in both cases where you're concerned, it worked. You hate Bush and the United States and you don't like me cause I call you out on it.


your irrelevant opinion is simply that. I served my country for a quarter of a century in uniform. Your contribution has been.....?????

Many who served their country now hate it, Lance.

[PolWatch]

PolWatch's comments in here one of the reasons I don't think pot should be legalized.

really? another indication of faulty conclusions based on imaginary information....tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Ransom]

http://mic.com/articles/84551/there-are-939-active-hate-groups-in-the-united-states-here-s-where-they-live

It would be 938 if you stopped posting, Lance.

[Ransom]

really? another indication of faulty conclusions based on imaginary information....tsk, tsk, tsk.

:weedsmoking:toke up, PW

[Ransom]

A clone of Chris? I cannot get over that one........how can a fence sitting puppy and a rabid right wing attack dog be clones?

[Chris]

Rancid is a clone of Chris. Unfortunately, the Mods who created him mixed in Benjamin Button genes by mistake. Imagine Chris as a ten-year-old and you've placed Ransom where he belongs.

Then we're not clones. We're also not clones in that he's a Republican neocon and I'm a libertarian non-interventionist.

I see since my last dig you cleaned and cleared up your prose a bit.

[Chris]

A clone of Chris? I cannot get over that one........how can a fence sitting puppy and a rabid right wing attack dog be clones?

Exactly how I picture you, a fence sitting puppy, the fence being the establishment Republican neocons.

Sign should read "Beware Ransoms"...

http://i.snag.gy/L0P1P.jpg

[Ransom]

Then we're not clones. We're also not clones in that he's a Republican neocon and I'm a libertarian non-interventionist.

I see since my last dig you cleaned and cleared up your prose a bit.

A radical right wing rabid card carrying Republican Neocon and a what is this....a...."libertarian non-interventionist" being called clones?

Disconcerting at best.

[Ransom]

Exactly how I picture you, a fence sitting puppy, the fence being the establishment Republican neocons.

Sign should read "Beware Ransoms"...

http://i.snag.gy/L0P1P.jpg

Cute dogs, my comment would be the boy in the picture and Chris are more the clones. Clueless isolationists.

[maineman]

asymptotically approaching certainty? You ain't voting for her, Maine!

people who don't understand the word asymptote, probably should not use it. I do. Clearly, you do not.




I'm sorry. where do you see the government's "ability" to provide healthcare? Medicare isn't "providing healthcare", health care in this country is a private industry.


and people's access to it, especially people over the age of 65, is quite effectively subsidized with tax dollars.



No, you put all your faith in Lancet, used their numbers almost to the T, have defended the study numerous times. It was a politically inspired study to instill hatred for this nation and George W. Bush and in both cases where you're concerned, it worked. You hate Bush and the United States and you don't like me cause I call you out on it.I hated Dubya long before the Lancet study was released. And you need to understand that it is quite possible to hate a person and still love the country.




Many who served their country now hate it, Lance.
I'd ask for a link, but it is of no importance. I know that THIS veteran loves his country, despite your scurrilous assertions to the contrary. Again.... YOUR sacrifice for our great country was what, exactly?

[Ransom]

people who don't understand the word asymptote, probably should not use it. I do. Clearly, you do not.

What I don't understand is someone who can assert inevitable meanwhile going for the alternative himself. Hello contradiction street.


and people's access to it, especially people over the age of 65, is quite effectively subsidized with tax dollars.

As are people who are low on income. Disabled. That isn't the government providing the care, Maine, it's the government 'paying' for care. You get hat, right?


I hated Dubya long before the Lancet study was released. And you need to understand that it is quite possible to hate a person and still love the country.

Of course you hated Bush, you were the intended target of Lancet. Your hate filled goggles gobbled up Lancet like it was an Easter Basket. Facts meant nothing, accuracy meant diddley, hate was what mattered, hello, you're merely reinforcing what I've been saying. Hook Line Sinker.

And your hate for Bush extends to your fellow soldiers who you claim killed well over a million Iraqis. And your country, imo, exchanging posts with you I believe confirms I'm right.


I'd ask for a link, but it is of no importance. I know that THIS veteran loves his country, despite your scurrilous assertions to the contrary. Again.... YOUR sacrifice for our great country was what, exactly?

You're entitled to your opinions as am I Maineman. You can slice up the dough anyway you'd like, it's still a biscuit. What you will never.... ever....... ever..... witness on these threads is Uncle Ransom falling for a political piece of poppyc0ck such as was the Lancet Study. Put out before violence even reached peak, published before our 'surge' and the bloody end of sieges, Lancet in 2006 means that by 2011, there are well over one million dead. Closer to two million. Someone who believes that believes it was the American Soldier who did it, how could any other interpretation exist?

Love your country......I cannot abide. Sorry.

[The Sage of Main Street]

You sure you have the right clone analogy there? Chris? I mean.....I'm a rabid right wing radical neocon just to the right of Attila on most political issues.

None of those assets come close to Chris, I'm confused by the analogy, Sage.

I've enough little stickers on the fuselage of my Argument Destroying fighter plane...I'm even running out of space I've slain so many dragons...

..I'm stunned. Being a fifth-grader, you have not yet developed any understanding of analogies whatsoever.

You are an exact duplicate of Chris when he was 10, not the way he is now. By the way, the reason the Mods had those Benjamin Button genes lying around was that they were trying to reverse Bob's senility.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Then we're not clones. We're also not clones in that he's a Republican neocon and I'm a libertarian non-interventionist.

I see since my last dig you cleaned and cleared up your prose a bit. So now your dogmas are digmas?

[Chris]

Being a fifth-grader, you have not yet developed any understanding of analogies whatsoever.

You are an exact duplicate of Chris when he was 10, not the way he is now. By the way, the reason the Mods had those Benjamin Button genes lying around was that they were trying to reverse Bob's senility.


You're repeating yourself, sage. Know what they say about those who repeat themselves expecting different results?

[Bob]

Being a fifth-grader, you have not yet developed any understanding of analogies whatsoever.

You are an exact duplicate of @Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128) when he was 10, not the way he is now. By the way, the reason the Mods had those Benjamin Button genes lying around was that they were trying to reverse @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013)'s senility.

And that sort of talk is why your rep power is 56 and mine is close to 500

[maineman]

And that sort of talk is why your rep power is 56 and mine is close to 500

it took you 29,782 posts to get to 473 rep power. That's one rep power point every 63 posts. compared to many others, that is hardly impressive.

[PolWatch]

uh, is this compare the Gold Stars on the blackboard day?
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.dQoo%2fBnQ8vOEjx1C%2fOMH7w&pid=15.1&rs=1&c=1&qlt=95&w=140&h=99

[Bob]

it took you 29,782 posts to get to 473 rep power. That's one rep power point every 63 posts. compared to many others, that is hardly impressive.

Before saying that, you should have done the math on your own first.

:cool20::walk:

Maineman

When you reach my number of posts, you will be clear up to 169 rep power.

Compare that to my 473

[Tricia]

Oh Geez.

[PolWatch]

Oh Geez.

double geez!

[maineman]

Before saying that, you should have done the math on your own first.

:cool20::walk:

Maineman

When you reach my number of posts, you will be clear up to 169 rep power.

Compare that to my 473

math is obviously not your strong point. (my vote would be for "moronic obstinacy", but that's the subject for another post.)

You get a rep power point on the average of once every 63 posts. Why don't you surprise me and figure out what rate I garner them. Here's a hint: it is nearly twice as fast as you have done

[maineman]

uh, is this compare the Gold Stars on the blackboard day?
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.dQoo%2fBnQ8vOEjx1C%2fOMH7w&pid=15.1&rs=1&c=1&qlt=95&w=140&h=99

when one tries to brag about stuff like that, it would be a good idea if they had a legitimate reason to brag before doing so, don'y you agree?

YOU, btw, get a rep point ever 21 posts.... nearly three times as frequently as Bob. ;)

[Tricia]

You do realize that karma/rep points mean NOTHING, right?

[maineman]

You do realize that karma/rep points mean NOTHING, right?

are you asking me or Bob, who felt the need to crow about how many rep points HE had? I merely pointed out to HIM that he really wasn't all that and a bag of chips.

[Bob]

math is obviously not your strong point. (my vote would be for "moronic obstinacy", but that's the subject for another post.)

You get a rep power point on the average of once every 63 posts. Why don't you surprise me and figure out what rate I garner them. Here's a hint: it is nearly twice as fast as you have done

I went by your points not number of posts.

[Bob]

You do realize that karma/rep points mean NOTHING, right?

That is to you. The Admin set this up and some have some serious karma and rep points.

You can't get points on your own. Those who like you must help you.

Take my rep for example. It shows I am a lot more liked than is the dude who is after me now.

[Bob]

when one tries to brag about stuff like that, it would be a good idea if they had a legitimate reason to brag before doing so, don'y you agree?

YOU, btw, get a rep point ever 21 posts.... nearly three times as frequently as Bob. ;)

Her rapid rise is because she was elevated to VIP then MOD.

They get some kind of bonus point situation.

[The Sage of Main Street]

You're repeating yourself, Sage. Know what they say about those who repeat themselves expecting different results?
Is that one of your digs? As expected, your digmas are as simple-minded, delusional, and full of yourself as your dogmas.

[maineman]

I went by your points not number of posts.

well....since one has to post in order to get rep points, that's sort of silly of you, don't you think? You post a whole lot more than I do and, on average, get fewer rep points per post than many others here.....

sort of like Jeanne Dixon making a million predictions and then bragging about when she got one right.

:rofl:

[Ivan88]

n January 2007, not long after taking his Senate seat, Webb was tapped to deliver the Democratic response to President George W. Bush’s State of the Union Address. Webb concluded his remarks with a blistering attack on Bush’s conduct of the Iraq war. Bush, Webb said , “took us into this war recklessly” and the nation was now “held hostage to the predictable *and predicted * disarray that has followed.”

He forgot to mention that both parties fully supported all the lies, betrayal, torture, maiming and killing done in Iraq by all 3 regimes administering our war on Iraq from before 1991 to Comrad Webb's speech.

[Bob]

well....since one has to post in order to get rep points, that's sort of silly of you, don't you think? You post a whole lot more than I do and, on average, get fewer rep points per post than many others here.....

sort of like Jeanne Dixon making a million predictions and then bragging about when she got one right.

:rofl:

I honestly do not mind you wanting to boost your own ego. Your ego is clearly super important to you.

Nourish it. Gather all the rep you can.

By the way, you count posts.

Most of my rep came over the span of not very many posts.

While you were almost in a holding pattern, I went past you and am well up over you.

[maineman]

interesting thoughts, Bob.... somehow, all you rep came over a span of not many posts, but you can offer no proof of that. And how did you "pass" me when you have been here eight months longer than me and have posted nearly ten times as many posts as I have? My guess is that your rep total has always been higher than mine due to the way you spam the board 24/7. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Congratulations. Nearly 60 posts per day on average. You must lead a very exciting life. You must take time off to go to the senior citizen's center for the early bird special, but obviously get your tail back here to keep running up your totals. Well done, Bob.... well done!

[The Sage of Main Street]

uh, is this compare the Gold Stars on the blackboard day?
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.dQoo%2fBnQ8vOEjx1C%2fOMH7w&pid=15.1&rs=1&c=1&qlt=95&w=140&h=99 Since I have a dismal rep power ratio, shouldn't I get reparations for tPF's mistreatment of me?

[The Sage of Main Street]

interesting thoughts, Bob.... somehow, all you rep came over a span of not many posts, but you can offer no proof of that. And how did you "pass" me when you have been here eight months longer than me and have posted nearly ten times as many posts as I have? My guess is that your rep total has always been higher than mine due to the way you spam the board 24/7. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Congratulations. Nearly 60 posts per day on average. You must lead a very exciting life. You must take time off to go to the senior citizen's center for the early bird special, but obviously get your tail back here to keep running up your totals. Well done, Bob.... well done! So the Mods' experiment of injecting him with Benjamin Button genes didn't work?

[Chloe]

So the Mods' experiment of injecting him with Benjamin Button genes didn't work?

I would rep you more often for some of your posts about social justice and so on but when you start ranting about your hatred for nature and wildlife it totally just makes me turn away.

[IMPress Polly]

All I've got to say about this (for right now) is that Mr. Webb is, in my view, the worst choice of all five Democratic candidates running for the nomination. He's too militaristic and non-committal when it comes to matters of social and economic policy both.

[Ethereal]

I would rep you more often for some of your posts about social justice and so on but when you start ranting about your hatred for nature and wildlife it totally just makes me turn away.

Don't forget his charming racial theories.

[Ethereal]

All I've got to say about this (for right now) is that Mr. Webb is, in my view, the worst choice of all five Democratic candidates running for the nomination. He's too militaristic and non-committal when it comes to matters of social and economic policy both.

More militaristic than Hillary Clinton?

[Bob]

interesting thoughts, Bob.... somehow, all you rep came over a span of not many posts, but you can offer no proof of that. And how did you "pass" me when you have been here eight months longer than me and have posted nearly ten times as many posts as I have? My guess is that your rep total has always been higher than mine due to the way you spam the board 24/7. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Congratulations. Nearly 60 posts per day on average. You must lead a very exciting life. You must take time off to go to the senior citizen's center for the early bird special, but obviously get your tail back here to keep running up your totals. Well done, Bob.... well done!

Not long ago, my rep was at 32.

Yep, it skyrocketed. I am so thankful as well.

I like to believe I am appreciated. :laugh:

[IMPress Polly]

Ethereal wrote:
More militaristic than Hillary Clinton?

Qualitatively so, as a matter of fact. Where Hillary tends to marginalize the whole issue of foreign policy in her campaign and seems to broadly embrace Obama's diplomacy-focused foreign policy (e.g. she supports the current negotiations with Iran and Cuba and opposes sending in more troops to Iraq), Jim Webb has made militarism the central focus of his campaign and opposes negotiations with Iran, etc. etc.

[Peter1469]

All I've got to say about this (for right now) is that Mr. Webb is, in my view, the worst choice of all five Democratic candidates running for the nomination. He's too militaristic and non-committal when it comes to matters of social and economic policy both.

Which is why he is the best choice. :smiley:

[IMPress Polly]

Uuuuugh, I can't agree with ya there, Peter! :tongue:

Anyway, I thought you supported the negotiations with Iran?

[Ethereal]

Qualitatively so, as a matter of fact. Where Hillary tends to marginalize the whole issue of foreign policy in her campaign and seems to broadly embrace Obama's diplomacy-focused foreign policy (e.g. she supports the current negotiations with Iran and Cuba and opposes sending in more troops to Iraq), Jim Webb has made militarism the central focus of his campaign and opposes negotiations with Iran, etc. etc.

I tend to concentrate more on the tangible results of her foreign policy than on the rhetoric and propaganda that she puts forth.

As a Senator, she voted in favor of the Iraq war, and she consistently voted in favor of Israeli interests; as Secretary of State, she was heavily involved in the paramilitary overthrow of at least two sovereign governments (Libya and Ukraine) and the attempted paramilitary overthrow of another (Syria). It's almost certain that she was involved in the paramilitary overthrow of the government in Honduras, as well. Really, I could go on and on and on about her despicable and anti-democratic record, from her deep ties to the oppressive Saudi plutocracy to her underhanded handling of Benghazi.

So if Webb is more militaristic than Hillary Clinton, he must be way, way off the charts in terms of his militarism.

[Peter1469]

Uuuuugh, I can't agree with ya there, Peter! :tongue:

Anyway, I thought you supported the negotiations with Iran?

I always support negotiations. "But don't sell off the home world" (I bet you know where that quote comes from)

[Peter1469]

Not long ago, my rep was at 32.

Yep, it skyrocketed. I am so thankful as well.

I like to believe I am appreciated. :laugh:

I reped you several times today over the Bull Run discussion.

[Ransom]

All I've got to say about this (for right now) is that Mr. Webb is, in my view, the worst choice of all five Democratic candidates running for the nomination. He's too militaristic and non-committal when it comes to matters of social and economic policy both.

You're voting for Hillary Clinton..... but Webb is too militaristic?

:biglaugh:

I truly do get entertained by the herd in the forum, what's up this week or 'for now', Polly.

[Peter1469]

Webb is on Fox News Sunday and brought up something I have long said about health care for the poor- Remote Area Medical (https://ramusa.org/). I didn't catch where an upcoming event but RAM is coming into a rural area of America to provide for 3000 people.

(My words, not Webb's) And it will be at a fraction of the costs of similar care under the ACA. That is the way to provide "free" services to the poor.

[IMPress Polly]

Peter wrote:
Webb is on Fox News Sunday and brought up something I have long said about health care for the poor- Remote Area Medical (https://ramusa.org/). I didn't catch where an upcoming event but RAM is coming into a rural area of America to provide for 3000 people.

(My words, not Webb's) And it will be at a fraction of the costs of similar care under the ACA. That is the way to provide "free" services to the poor.

Was he talking about RAM's program as an alternative to the ACA or as a compliment to it?


Ransom wrote:
You're voting for Hillary Clinton..... but Webb is too militaristic?

:biglaugh:

I truly do get entertained by the herd in the forum, what's up this week or 'for now', Polly.

I think you're amusing yourself. Although there was a time when I leaned toward supporting Hillary Clinton but hadn't made up my mind, I have made up my mind officially at this point and, to that end, I publicly announced that I was endorsing Bernie Sanders late last month and that's where I'm going to be staying for the duration of the Democratic Party's nominating process. Try to keep up.

Anyway, the fact that I take the matter of whom I'll campaign and vote for seriously enough to think critically, to deliberate and ask hard questions about it, if anything, I think surely shows me to be the opposite of a herd creature if I may be so boastful.

[Peter1469]

Was he talking about RAM's program as an alternative to the ACA or as a compliment to it?



I just caught it in the background. But I would doubt that Webb is against the ACA. I would expect he sees RAM as an effective way to service a lot of people at low cost. The program is very close to what the military does when it runs troops through a medical screening center prior to deployments (although with the military there are other stations as well to include admin, legal, etc.)

[IMPress Polly]

Aaaah! Well that does sound like a great program. :smiley:

[Peter1469]

It addresses costs of healthcare.

[PolWatch]

Rural health care is a problem with or without the ACA. The ACA does nothing to increase the number of doctors, etc available in low income, rural areas. Doctors go where the money is....I can't imagine what their college debt would be.

Increasing the number of doctors receiving scholarships through the National Health Corp Service would be the most efficient way to address the problem...imo. They have to sign a 2 year commitment in a low service area in exchange for their scholarships.

[Peter1469]

Rural health care is a problem with or without the ACA. The ACA does nothing to increase the number of doctors, etc available in low income, rural areas. Doctors go where the money is....I can't imagine what their college debt would be.

Increasing the number of doctors receiving scholarships through the National Health Corp Service would be the most efficient way to address the problem...imo. They have to sign a 2 year commitment in a low service area in exchange for their scholarships.

4 years might be a better deal for the tax payer.

[Ransom]

Almost as if we should have listened to the input of actual doctors regarding the ACA, we certainly didn't heed Webb's advice that it would be a disaster. He.... didn't even heed his own advice and voted aye. Can't quite understand why but he did. I would actually fear a Webb candidacy. I think he could be the steamtrain, I believe he is by far the most competent Dem on the ticket.

His voting record one of political hack thus the far Left can be convinced. Moderates would vote for him for the letter (D). There are enough sheep out there to elect him President, his problem is the Primary. How will he steal votes.

[Ransom]

Was he talking about RAM's program as an alternative to the ACA or as a compliment to it?



I think you're amusing yourself. Although there was a time when I leaned toward supporting Hillary Clinton but hadn't made up my mind, I have made up my mind officially at this point and, to that end, I publicly announced that I was endorsing Bernie Sanders late last month and that's where I'm going to be staying for the duration of the Democratic Party's nominating process. Try to keep up.

Anyway, the fact that I take the matter of whom I'll campaign and vote for seriously enough to think critically, to deliberate and ask hard questions about it, if anything, I think surely shows me to be the opposite of a herd creature if I may be so boastful.

No, it's you I find amusing, I haven't name called or been caustic. Merely find you funny as you hop around a lot. First 'Women's issues were primary', then the economy.....I won't interfere no more, be entertained from a distance. Carry on with.... whatever it is you think is important... or whatever.