Fox News built a f**ked-up Frankenstein, dumb, angry and divorced from facts.

[Cigar]

Conservative media destroyed conservative politics. The right's impossible to take seriously. Then came Trump!


Fox News –and the conservative media-industrial complex – have created a Frankenstein. His name is Donald Trump, and his political success is now a huge problem for the Republican Party. In so many ways, Trump’s political existence was inevitable. For years, Fox News and the conservative talk radio machine have played to the populist Tea Party id: fomenting fear, demonizing immigrants, and enabling every nativist anxiety imaginable. Now they’re paying the price.

Donald Trump is practically a mirror image of the Fox News psyche. Most of his speeches consist of repackaged stupidities plucked right out of the conservative mediascape. It’s kind of brilliant, really. Trump knows his audience, and he beams back at them every idiotic thing they want to hear. Which, of course, is exactly what Fox News does.

The wonderful irony of all this is that the conservative media have ruined conservative politics, far more than liberals ever did. And the results speak for themselves. It’s true that Fox News has promoted the conservative brand and very likely energized grass-roots conservatism in some sense, but at what cost? The GOP, increasingly, is no longer a national party – it’s confined more and more to the South and to pockets of rural America.

The Republicans have had their share of electoral successes in recent years, and Fox News surely aided in that, but if you look closely you’ll see that the political success of conservatives have not led to policy successes. On the contrary, liberalism is winning. Obama, for instance, has been one of the most consequential presidents in modern American history. Both politically and culturally, the country is more liberal today than it was a decade ago. And this has happened in spite of the triumph of Fox News and conservative media.


http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/fox_news_built_a_fked_up_frankenstein_dumb_angry_a nd_divorced_from_facts_now_donald_trump_will_devou r_them/

http://media.cagle.com/91/2015/03/23/161618_600.jpg
(http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/fox_news_built_a_fked_up_frankenstein_dumb_angry_a nd_divorced_from_facts_now_donald_trump_will_devou r_them/)

[Mac-7]

The leftwing is still pissed at trump and Fox News?

So what else is new?

[Cigar]

The leftwing is still pissed at trump and Fox News?

So what else is new?

Wow ... some people don't even know when the Joke is one them :laugh:

[Mac-7]

Wow ... some people don't even know when the Joke is one them :laugh:

I know when a leftwinger at Salon is having a bad day and takes it out by ranting at conservatives.

[Tahuyaman]

The leftwing is still pissed at trump and Fox News?

So what else is new?

The left will blame Fox News for everything. Including the failures of their policies.

[Tahuyaman]

I know when a leftwinger at Salon is having a bad day and takes it out by ranting at conservatives.


That's a normal day at Salon. Salon is perhaps the greatest denier of fact in existence.

[Cigar]

The left will blame Fox News for everything. Including the failures of their policies.

Not me, I'm glad they unzipped their fly ... now let us see what they pull out :laugh:

[Tahuyaman]

Liberals claim to place a high value on the knowing all facts surrounding the issues, but when a news source actually goes after and exposes all the facts, they go apoplectic.

Liberals dont want all the facts exposed.

[southwest88]

Well, a Frankenstein monster, anyway.

The real question, Is Trump an actual candidate? Just from the bit I've heard of him, he's not electable. I don't even think he could gain the GOP nomination - too toxic, too bad for (ironically) business. Possibly during the run-up to the Civil War, when political tempers were on fire on all sides of the slavery issue.

The other question - Is Trump a Republican or a Democrat? Either way, I don't think he's electable. But I've seen questions raised about his past support & contributions to Democratic candidates, including the Clintons & the Clinton Foundation. & apparently he's socialized a fair amount with the Clintons as well.

Judging by past experience, I don't think we're going to get a coherent explanation of his antics from him, either. Maybe his political wanderings will just have to be one of the modern political Wonders of the World.

[Mac-7]

Well, a Frankenstein monster, anyway.

The real question, Is Trump an actual candidate? Just from the bit I've heard of him, he's not electable. I don't even think he could gain the GOP nomination - too toxic, too bad for (ironically) business. Possibly during the run-up to the Civil War, when political tempers were on fire on all sides of the slavery issue.

The other question - Is Trump a Republican or a Democrat? Either way, I don't think he's electable. But I've seen questions raised about his past support & contributions to Democratic candidates, including the Clintons & the Clinton Foundation. & apparently he's socialized a fair amount with the Clintons as well.

Judging by past experience, I don't think we're going to get a coherent explanation of his antics from him, either. Maybe his political wanderings will just have to be one of the modern political Wonders of the World.

Why do you say he's not electable?

Because he lost the illegal alien vote?

[Cigar]

Why do you say he's not electable?

Because he lost the illegal alien vote?

God Please make him the GOP Candidate :grin: Please Please Please

[Tahuyaman]

God Please make him the GOP Candidate :grin: Please Please Please

If he did, he would be the first Democrat to be the Republican nominee.

[Mac-7]

If everyone agrees trump can't win why are we talking about him?

[Captain Obvious]

If everyone agrees trump can't win why are we talking about him?

Same reason anyone replies to your posts - easy cannon fodder.

[southwest88]

Why do you say he's (Trump) not electable?

Because he lost the illegal alien vote?

Of course, there is no illegal alien vote. Various states under GOP control have lathered the airwaves & rolled over their Leges to pass restrictive voter registration/ID laws. But TMK, none of them have prosecuted a single case of illegal alien vote fraud. There have been a handful of cases that might have been illegal alien votes - but the cases were too murky, too hard to prove, or the accused could not be located. So any such voting bloc would apparently be far too small to make much of a difference in any event.

The problems with Trump's candidacy - 1. Which party does he belong to, if any?
2. Given his rhetoric, he's out to make some kind of point, not to be nominated & far less to be elected.
3. He doesn't seem to have the training nor personality to be a successful politician, let alone be willing to suffer for the sake of the public good. As a real-estate mogul & successful hotel/casino developer, I would expect more temperate language out of him. Perhaps the TV personality overshadows the businessman.
4. If he has a case to make - concrete proposals to make about policy - he needed to make them before exploding @ the podium. I think it's too late for him, for this cycle. Maybe in four years ...
5. His past history as a candidate argues that this, too, shall pass.
6. The other GOP candidates are/will be under increasing pressure to distance themselves from Trump's positions on Hispanic immigration & etc. Just as Univision, NBC, Macy's & so on are doing. Given that Trump is in the entertainment business himself, this is praising him with faint damns.

[Tahuyaman]

Voter ID laws are not intended to stop illegal alien voter fraud. They are intended to eliminate voter fraud period.

I know of at least one current sitting Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud.

[southwest88]

Voter ID laws are not intended to stop illegal alien voter fraud. They are intended to eliminate voter fraud period.

I know of at least one current sitting Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud.

As I recall, the hue & cry about tightening voter registration & ID was precisely claimed necessary to prevent illegal aliens from voting.

& sure, if you know of a senator who shouldn't be in place, report him or her to the competent authorities. The states that have passed restrictive voter laws are searching high & low for cases to prosecute. You'd be doing them a favor.

[1751_Texan]

Liberals claim to place a high value on the knowing all facts surrounding the issues, but when a news source actually goes after and exposes all the facts, they go apoplectic.

Liberals dont want all the facts exposed.

"simple liars, damned liars and experts"

[Cigar]

The Donald is doing The GOP Proud right now on MSNBC ....

Fucking Hilarious

[Tahuyaman]

As I recall, the hue & cry about tightening voter registration & ID was precisely claimed necessary to prevent illegal aliens from voting.

& sure, if you know of a senator who shouldn't be in place, report him or her to the competent authorities. The states that have passed restrictive voter laws are searching high & low for cases to prosecute. You'd be doing them a favor.

voter fraud is voter fraud. Voter ID laws are not designed to eliminate one type of fraud, but ignore the other.

The sitting senator who owes his seat to voter fraud is Al Franken and this is a well known fact.

[Tahuyaman]

The Donald is doing The GOP Proud right now on MSNBC ....

$#@!ing Hilarious

MSNBC is the standard in broadcast journalism Democrats advocate.

[PolWatch]

Voter ID laws are not intended to stop illegal alien voter fraud. They are intended to eliminate voter fraud period.

I know of at least one current sitting Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud.

I have asked several times for links to factual sites on this issue. All that is ever produced is rumor, blogs & hysteria pieces. Until someone can provide facts, its just an excuse the losers are offering as explanation.

[Redrose]

Trump is a clown, sure a billionaire clown, with a gorgeous wife, the jealousy is palpable.

Bozo Obama is the real clown. He looks like the rubber man at a circus side show.....come and see Bozo Obama, the two faced rubber man....watch him stretch the truth....

[PolWatch]

Trump is a clown, sure a billionaire clown, with a gorgeous wife, the jealousy is palpable.

Bozo Obama is the real clown. He looks like the rubber man at a circus side show.....come and see Bozo Obama, the two faced rubber man....watch him stretch the truth....

Out of 2 clowns, only one is campaigning for president.

[domer76]

If everyone agrees trump can't win why are we talking about him?

He has great comedic value

[domer76]

Voter ID laws are not intended to stop illegal alien voter fraud. They are intended to eliminate voter fraud period.

I know of at least one current sitting Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud.

Sure you do

[Cigar]

He has great comedic value

... and he's influencing people who may have been on the Fence. :laugh:

I can't imagine your average Hispanic wanting to Vote GOP in 2016

Good Job Donald

[domer76]

voter fraud is voter fraud. Voter ID laws are not designed to eliminate one type of fraud, but ignore the other.

The sitting senator who owes his seat to voter fraud is Al Franken and this is a well known fact.

Sure it is

[magicmike]

The leftwing is still pissed at trump and Fox News?

So what else is new?

Gay marriage.

[magicmike]

voter fraud is voter fraud. Voter ID laws are not designed to eliminate one type of fraud, but ignore the other.

The sitting senator who owes his seat to voter fraud is Al Franken and this is a well known fact.


Only in your world is it a fact.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/jan/16/club-growth/wisconsin-fight-over-election-day-voter-registrati/

[Tahuyaman]

I have asked several times for links to factual sites on this issue. All that is ever produced is rumor, blogs & hysteria pieces. Until someone can provide facts, its just an excuse the losers are offering as explanation.


Links to show facts pertaining to what?

Is the internet the end all of all research? Are you one of these people who won't believe something until you read it on the Internet, or believe it because it's on the Internet?

[Tahuyaman]

Only in your world is it a fact.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/jan/16/club-growth/wisconsin-fight-over-election-day-voter-registrati/

Politifact? Are you kidding? Politiifact hasn't identified a fact from fiction since their beginning.

Even Al Franken knows he won because of fraud. He's proud of it.

[Common Sense]

Links to show facts pertaining to what?

Is the internet the end all of all research? Are you one of these people who won't believe something until you read it on the Internet, or believe it because it's on the Internet?

Do you have any proof that voter fraud has had an impact?

Any at all?

[Tahuyaman]

When someone starts getting serious about instituting systems of any kind intended to eliminate or even minimize voter fraud, the liberals panic and go into attack mode.

They defend corrupting the voting peocess. There's a reason for that

[Mac-7]

... and he's influencing people who may have been on the Fence. :laugh:

I can't imagine your average Hispanic wanting to Vote GOP in 2016

Good Job Donald

Most hispanics are poor and prime candidates to mooch off the government.

So I agree that they are not republicans.

But some Hispanics are successful and own businesses that they built from scratch and they tend to be republicans.

So the spineless party of me-too may not attract the most Hispanics but they do get the smartest ones.

[PolWatch]

Links to show facts pertaining to what?

Is the internet the end all of all research? Are you one of these people who won't believe something until you read it on the Internet, or believe it because it's on the Internet?

yeap. Prove there is a real problem about illegal aliens voting....otherwise its just right wing hysteria. The Brown People Are Coming To Get Your Ballot! (modern version of the sky is falling)

[Common Sense]

When someone starts getting serious about instituting systems of any kind intended to eliminate or even minimize voter fraud, the liberals panic and go into attack mode.

They defend corrupting the voting peocess. There's a reason for that

Where's the attack? I think people would just like to see some facts.

If indeed it's this huge problem, certainly there is evidence.

You eluded to an elected official only being elected due to voter fraud. Can you elaborate?

[Tahuyaman]

yeap. Prove there is a real problem about illegal aliens voting....otherwise its just right wing hysteria. The Brown People Are Coming To Get Your Ballot! (modern version of the sky is falling)


When did I say there was a problem with illegal aliens voting? I said voter ID laws are intended to address issues of voter fraud. Period.

Normally you you don't make shit up. Why did you start now?

[zelmo1234]

Wow ... some people don't even know when the Joke is one them :laugh:

You do know that Trump was a Democrat up until 2009, Maybe that is where he got his racist roots. :)

[Tahuyaman]

Most hispanics are poor and prime candidates to mooch off the government.


i would tend to disagree. I live in Mexico about five months a year. I know many Mexicans. Most are my friends. They aren't inclined to being moochers.

I would say say that most of the Mexicans who come here are indeed poor, but they are not inclined to mooch off government. The Democrat party though is trying as hard as they can to bribe then into mooching.

Creating dependence upon government is the Democrats speciality. They execute it well too.

[Common Sense]

You do know that Trump was a Democrat up until 2009, Maybe that is where he got his racist roots. :)

“Everyone’s Democratic,” he told Fox News in an interview (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/exclusive-donald-trump-talks-2012-calls-obama-worst-president-ever?page=2)about his potential candidacy. “So what am I going to do — contribute to Republicans? One thing: I’m not stupid. Am I going to contribute to Republicans for my whole life when they get heat when they run against some Democrat and the most they can get is 1 percent of the vote?”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html

He does a lot of business in Democrat held regions. Of course he's going to donate to Dems. He's also donated to Reps. He clearly is a Republican.

[PolWatch]

When did I say there was a problem with illegal aliens voting? I said voter ID laws are intended to address issues of voter fraud. Period.

Normally you you don't make shit up. Why did you start now?

'Voter ID laws are not intended to stop illegal alien voter fraud. They are intended to eliminate voter fraud period.
I know of at least one current sitting Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud. '

You mention illegal alien voter fraud and include that with all vote fraud. You then say you know of one person elected due to voter fraud. I asked for evidence. Its not making things up when I question you about the basis of your statement.

Eliminate the word illegal from the discussion....where is the proof of the voter fraud that states are spending millions to prevent? Where are the people who were charged with voter fraud to elect the senator? Its not fact just because it sounds scary.

[Tahuyaman]

'Voter ID laws are not intended to stop illegal alien voter fraud. They are intended to eliminate voter fraud period.
I know of at least one current sitting Senator who owes his seat to voter fraud. '

You mention illegal alien voter fraud and include that with all vote fraud. You then say you know of one person elected due to voter fraud. I asked for evidence. Its not making things up when I question you about the basis of your statement.

Eliminate the word illegal from the discussion....where is the proof of the voter fraud that states are spending millions to prevent? Where are the people who were charged with voter fraud to elect the senator? Its not fact just because it sounds scary.


Yes, if you change what I posted, you can support your false claim. As usual, you can't unless you change my comment to say something I did not say.

When it comes to the fraud in Minnesota which got Al Franken his senate seat, no one denies thatmore than 1000 fraudulent votes were cast. That has been established.

A left wing activist judge just came up with the idiotic notion that the fraudulent votes were cast in a 50/50 manner, so both candidates benefited equally. Really?

[Tahuyaman]

Again liberals have no problem accepting voter fraud. They fight like hell any attempts to eliminate it or even minimize it.

Like I said, there's a reason for that. A reason they do their best to ignore. A reason they wish everyone would ignore.

[Common Sense]

Again liberals have no problem accepting voter fraud. They fight like hell any attempts to eliminate it or even minimize it.

Like I said, there's a reason for that. A reason they do their best to ignore. A reason they wish everyone would ignore.

So that's a no on providing any evidence?

[PolWatch]

So that's a no on providing any evidence?

yeap

[Tahuyaman]

'? Where are the people who were charged with voter fraud to elect the senator? Its not fact just because it sounds scary.


Ok, here...... There were actual convictions. Real ones, not made up.

http://www.minnesotamajority.org/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions/


Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictionsby Dan (http://www.minnesotamajority.org/author/dan/) on October 13, 2011 in Election Integrity (http://www.minnesotamajority.org/category/election-integrity/)
113 convictions represent small fraction of total unlawful votes
Minnesota Majority today released a report on voter fraud convictions (http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf) stemming from Minnesota’s 2008 general election. The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, “ineligible voter knowingly votes” under Minnesota Statute 201.014. (https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=201.014)
“As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years,” said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, “Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions.”
The highest number of convictions ever recorded in the United States came from the 1936 Jackson County, Missouri elections in which 259 individuals (http://rangevoting.org/PresFraud.html) were convicted of voter fraud. A more recent five-year probe by the United States Department of Justice (http://www.justice.gov/criminal/pin/docs/arpt-2006.pdf) identified just 53 convictions for voter fraud nationwide.

[Tahuyaman]

So that's a no on providing any evidence?

oops, I guess you should have just kept quiet.

[Tahuyaman]

Now try to tell me how there can be more than 100 convictions for vote fraud if vote fraud doesn't exist? Hmmmm.

[Tahuyaman]

Just in case you question the source of the factual information, here it is from another source.

http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf

[PolWatch]

oops, I guess you should have just kept quiet.

not quite: 'The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime'. The election was won/lost by more than twice that amount. so...meh.

However, they were illegal...but the article also goes on to say this was the largest number recorded in 75 years. It also (rather hysterically) talks about how many more convictions they expect. Please notice the article is dated 2011....it is now 2015. How many more have been charged & convicted?

I have never said voter fraud doesn't exist. It does. It usually happens in cases of illegal registration....which voter ID cards do nothing to prevent.

Now, let's see enough of this nationwide to justify the millions spent on an ID card system. I'll wait.

[Common Sense]

Cases of voter-ID election fraud found 'virtually non-existent'

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2012/08/cases-voter-id-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

[PolWatch]

So that's a no on providing any evidence?

He found 113 convictions from 2011. Massive prosecutions are pending....eventually....maybe....kinda

[Tahuyaman]

The partisans are busy trying to figure out how to alter those facts.

[Tahuyaman]

He found 113 convictions from 2011. Massive prosecutions are pending....eventually....maybe....kinda


You asked for proof of prosecutions. I showed you proof of prosecutions.

Having problems admitting you are wrong?

[Tahuyaman]

Another liberal who can't admit an error.

[PolWatch]

Another liberal who can't admit an error.

another conservative who can't admit they exaggerate. btw: that was one state, 7 years ago....anything else?

[Tahuyaman]

Cases of voter-ID election fraud found 'virtually non-existent'



https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2012/08/cases-voter-id-election-fraud-found-virtually-non-existent

explain how there can be convictions for vote fraud then.......


Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictionsby Dan (http://www.minnesotamajority.org/author/dan/) on October 13, 2011 in Election Integrity (http://www.minnesotamajority.org/category/election-integrity/)
113 convictions represent small fraction of total unlawful votes
Minnesota Majority today released a report on voter fraud convictions (http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf) stemming from Minnesota’s 2008 general election. The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, “ineligible voter knowingly votes” under Minnesota Statute 201.014. (https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=201.014)
“As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years,” said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, “Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions.”
The highest number of convictions ever recorded in the United States came from the 1936 Jackson County, Missouri elections in which 259 individuals (http://rangevoting.org/PresFraud.html) were convicted of voter fraud. A more recent five-year probe by the United States Department of Justice (http://www.justice.gov/criminal/pin/docs/arpt-2006.pdf) identified just 53 convictions for voter fraud nationwide.

[Tahuyaman]

Gosh..... Those pesky facts......

[PolWatch]

I know, dontcha hate 'em?

[southwest88]

oops, I guess you should have just kept quiet.

Hmm. Kinda like MN Majority itself? See http://www.minnesotamajority.org/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions/

"Minnesota Majority: Too fig to fail


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Wry Wing Politics



By Joe Loveland (http://www.minnpost.com/author/joe-loveland) | 08/08/13

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"There was an interesting item this week in Politics in Minnesota (http://politicsinminnesota.com/2013/08/minnesota-majority-will-close-if-it-doesnt-raise-20000-this-week/) about the potential demise of a conservative interest group called Minnesota Majority. In the most desperate fundraising appeal I’ve seen since the waning days of Tony Sutton (http://www.wrywingpolitics.com/sponsor-a-starving-minnesota-republican-party-leader-today/) at the Minnesota GOP, the power brokers at Minnesota Majority declared that if their conservative benefactors don’t deliver another $20,000 to their doorstep this week, they would be forced to cease operations.

"Founded in 2007 by a fellow named Jeff Davis, Minnesota Majority was the lead organization behind the 2012 drive to build additional barriers to voting in Minnesota, a proposition that was wisely rejected by 54% of Minnesota voters (http://www.twincities.com/elections/ci_21946038/minnesota-voter-id-amendment-trailing-60-precincts-tallied)."

(My emphasis - details @ the URL)

& note that this article is from 2013, while the convictions article is from 2011. Did they ID more cases? Did MN Majority get an influx of cash?

[PolWatch]

I've enjoyed the discussion.....:grin:

[Tahuyaman]

I know, dontcha hate 'em?

So, instead of condemning proven acts of vote fraud, acts which resulted in actual convictions, you deflect and deny.

Why is it so difficult for you to admit that you were mistaken?

[Tahuyaman]

Hmm. Kinda like MN Majority itself? See http://www.minnesotamajority.org/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions/

"Minnesota Majority: Too fig to fail


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Wry Wing Politics



By Joe Loveland (http://www.minnpost.com/author/joe-loveland) | 08/08/13

http://www.minnpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_detail/sculpture-with-fig-leaf_300.jpgCC/Flickr/Dave King (http://www.flickr.com/photos/djking/8488686195/)


"There was an interesting item this week in Politics in Minnesota (http://politicsinminnesota.com/2013/08/minnesota-majority-will-close-if-it-doesnt-raise-20000-this-week/) about the potential demise of a conservative interest group called Minnesota Majority. In the most desperate fundraising appeal I’ve seen since the waning days of Tony Sutton (http://www.wrywingpolitics.com/sponsor-a-starving-minnesota-republican-party-leader-today/) at the Minnesota GOP, the power brokers at Minnesota Majority declared that if their conservative benefactors don’t deliver another $20,000 to their doorstep this week, they would be forced to cease operations.

"Founded in 2007 by a fellow named Jeff Davis, Minnesota Majority was the lead organization behind the 2012 drive to build additional barriers to voting in Minnesota, a proposition that was wisely rejected by 54% of Minnesota voters (http://www.twincities.com/elections/ci_21946038/minnesota-voter-id-amendment-trailing-60-precincts-tallied)."

(My emphasis - details @ the URL)

& note that this article is from 2013, while the convictions article is from 2011. Did they ID more cases? Did MN Majority get an influx of cash?

Can any liberal admit vote fraud takes place? Can any liberal find the courage to condemn vote fraud?




Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictionsby Dan (http://www.minnesotamajority.org/author/dan/) on October 13, 2011 in Election Integrity (http://www.minnesotamajority.org/category/election-integrity/)
113 convictions represent small fraction of total unlawful votes
Minnesota Majority today released a report on voter fraud convictions (http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf) stemming from Minnesota’s 2008 general election. The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, “ineligible voter knowingly votes” under Minnesota Statute 201.014. (https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=201.014)
“As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years,” said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, “Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions.”
The highest number of convictions ever recorded in the United States came from the 1936 Jackson County, Missouri elections in which 259 individuals (http://rangevoting.org/PresFraud.html) were convicted of voter fraud. A more recent five-year probe by the United States Department of Justice (http://www.justice.gov/criminal/pin/docs/arpt-2006.pdf) identified just 53 convictions for voter fraud nationwide.

[Tahuyaman]

The inability to acknowledge proven fact is how one loses credibility. The inability to condemn that which anyone should be able to condemn is how people become hypocritical.

[gamewell45]

Of course, there is no illegal alien vote. Various states under GOP control have lathered the airwaves & rolled over their Leges to pass restrictive voter registration/ID laws. But TMK, none of them have prosecuted a single case of illegal alien vote fraud. There have been a handful of cases that might have been illegal alien votes - but the cases were too murky, too hard to prove, or the accused could not be located. So any such voting bloc would apparently be far too small to make much of a difference in any event.

The problems with Trump's candidacy - 1. Which party does he belong to, if any?
2. Given his rhetoric, he's out to make some kind of point, not to be nominated & far less to be elected.
3. He doesn't seem to have the training nor personality to be a successful politician, let alone be willing to suffer for the sake of the public good. As a real-estate mogul & successful hotel/casino developer, I would expect more temperate language out of him. Perhaps the TV personality overshadows the businessman.
4. If he has a case to make - concrete proposals to make about policy - he needed to make them before exploding @ the podium. I think it's too late for him, for this cycle. Maybe in four years ...
5. His past history as a candidate argues that this, too, shall pass.
6. The other GOP candidates are/will be under increasing pressure to distance themselves from Trump's positions on Hispanic immigration & etc. Just as Univision, NBC, Macy's & so on are doing. Given that Trump is in the entertainment business himself, this is praising him with faint $#@!s.

We should consider the fact that Trump could always run as an independent; he definitely has the money to do such and create a Ross Perot type situation that happened in 1992. It ultimately cost the republicans the election. If Trump runs as a rogue independent, this scenario could in fact play out.

I personally believe that his candidacy will implode within 9 months because he is not presidential material and has thin skin and won't want to spend 4 years defending his every action to his critics.

[Tahuyaman]

I've enjoyed the discussion.....:grin:


So did I. I love supporting my positions with facts and watching you tap dance.

[PolWatch]

So, instead of condemning proven acts of vote fraud, acts which resulted in actual convictions, you deflect and deny.

Why is it so difficult for you to admit that you were mistaken?

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/47208-Fox-News-built-a-f**ked-up-Frankenstein-dumb-angry-and-divorced-from-facts?p=1169148&viewfull=1#post1169148

[Tahuyaman]

We should consider the fact that Trump could always run as an independent;

He could, but I don't believe he will.

He's changed party affiliations, rejected both parties and changed yet again. I really believe he doesn't have any solid positions on the issues. He just mouths populist barber shop stuff. All bluster and no substance.

He'll out of the race by October. Maybe as late as November.

[PolWatch]

'The problems with Trump's candidacy - 1. Which party does he belong to, if any?'

Good point. What difference is there between the major parties? I don't believe there is much difference. They tell us they are different while campaigning but once elected....look at the Bush/Obama presidency. What changes have we seen?

Politicians change parties based on where they get the best chance of power...imo. If Trump starting as a dem is a problem, what about Hillary starting life as a repub?

[PolWatch]

He could, but I don't believe he will.

He's changed party affiliations, rejected both parties and changed yet again. I really believe he doesn't have any solid positions on the issues. He just mouths populist barber shop stuff. All bluster and no substance.

He'll out of the race by October. Maybe as late as November.

He has to release financial information by Oct. He will be out then.

[Tahuyaman]

So, instead of condemning proven acts of vote fraud, acts which resulted in actual convictions, you deflect and deny.

Why is it so difficult for you to admit that you were mistaken?


http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/47208-Fox-News-built-a-f**ked-up-Frankenstein-dumb-angry-and-divorced-from-facts?p=1169148&viewfull=1#post1169148


More deflection. Tell me why you have such a problem with admitting the facts?

[PolWatch]

More deflection. Tell me why you have such a problem with admitting the facts?

just repeating something doesn't make it true. I acknowledged you have found 114 cases of voter fraud in 8 years in the nation. You seem to believe that justifies the expenditure of millions for a voter ID system. I don't.

[Tahuyaman]

He has to release financial information by Oct. He will be out then.


He's been saying that he has no problem releasing all his financials. He's been bragging endlessly about his wealth.

The only reason he would resist that is because it would prove he's not nearly on as solid ground as he claims, or he's embellishing.

[Tahuyaman]

just repeating something doesn't make it true. I acknowledged you have found 114 cases of voter fraud in 8 years in the nation. You seem to believe that justifies the expenditure of millions for a voter ID system. I don't.


I showed you facts. I showed you a record of more than 100 convictions from one single election in a single state, not nation wide. Why can't you consider facts honestly?

Just retain what credibility you have left and admit that you erred and made claims based on only in partisanship.

[PolWatch]

I showed you facts. I showed you a record of more than 100 convictions from one single election. Just retain what credibility you have left and admit that you erred and made claims based on only in partisanship.

keep saying that....maybe someone else will believe it....'cause I don't. Again, I have never said voter fraud doesn't exist. You want to take 113 cases and pretend its taking over the nation. Your partisan view is committing millions of dollars to try and discourage voting. Fraud is just the hook you are hanging it on.

[Tahuyaman]

keep saying that....maybe someone else will believe it....'cause I don't. Again, I have never said voter fraud doesn't exist. You want to take 113 cases and pretend its taking over the nation. Your partisan view is committing millions of dollars to try and discourage voting. Fraud is just the hook you are hanging it on.

You are so intellectually dishonest it's embarrassing.

You have done nothing but prove to me that you are as susceptible to being a partisan hack as anyone here. You had me fooled for a while. I actually thought you were above that.

[Tahuyaman]

keep saying that....maybe someone else will believe it....'cause I dont.


You really don't believe that there were more than 100 convictions for vote fraud in one election in a single state? Even after seeing two sources detailing it?

[PolWatch]

I don't understand how looking for factual information is partisan. Is it because I don't think that 113 cases in 8 years is sufficient to the hysteria being voiced over the issue? If I'm partisan to anything, its reality.

Just because you are willing to accept that as 'proof' that this is a huge problem, deserving of making it difficult for more people to vote than it will ever prevent illegal votes? Don't tar me with your brush.

[southwest88]

Can any liberal admit vote fraud takes place? Can any liberal find the courage to condemn vote fraud?

...


Sure, but note that most of the fraud was convicted felons:

"Minnesota’s recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota’s 2008 general election."

(My emphasis - from MN Majority's article @ the URL)

Yah, this situation is why most late voter registration schemes issue a provisional ballot - so that if there's a problem with the vote or voter, the vote can be scrubbed. & of course, the provisional ballots get expedited attention - to make sure that an accurate vote is compiled. I don't know the details of MN's felon voters - they may have to petition the state for reinstatement of their right to vote. If MN had this many invalid votes cast, they may legislate that re-enfranchisement for felons (having served their sentence, or been commuted or pardoned) be automatic. Some states do that already, rather than track each individual separately. Some states prefer to issue re-enfranchisements only upon request, & upon individual review - in other words, merely requesting the franchise is not enough.

So, sure: If these felons were not entitled to vote, they should not have voted. On the other hand, tracking individual status & ruling individually on each request for re-enfranchisement - that will impose additional work on the county registrar's office (if that's who tracks these items). The state of MN will have to decide if they want to deal with that level of detail, & the Lege will have to write enabling legislation & fund the critter, as well.

I'll have to look to see if MN pursued charges in all these cases. It seems like a lot of cases, but they may very well have decided to make examples of these people. We'll see.

Does it truly take courage to condemn vote fraud? It seems pretty straight-forward to me. Do the crime, do the time.

[Tahuyaman]

Sure, but note that most of the fraud was convicted felons:


so......?

[Tahuyaman]

You want to take 113 cases and pretend its taking over the nation

while you are tap dancing, show where I claimed it was "taking over the nation".

Of course now I've come to expect intellectual dishonesty from you.

[southwest88]

Originally Posted by southwest88 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1169287#post1169287) Sure, but note that most of the fraud was convicted felons:


so......?

So - whether MN convicted & sent people to prison will tell the tale. If the ineligible felons who voted anyway were under the assumption that they could vote - the state may have forborn prison time &/or fines. We'll have to see, I'll take a look. The info should be out there, somewhere.

[Tahuyaman]

Originally Posted by southwest88

So - whether MN convicted & sent people to prison will tell the tale. If the ineligible felons who voted anyway were under the assumption that they could vote - the state may have forborn prison time &/or fines. We'll have to see, I'll take a look. The info should be out there, somewhere.

I just know there were more than 100 convictions for vote fraud in that one single election in Minnesota. I don't know if the fraudulent voters were convicted or those who organized the fraud.

It doesn't matter anyway.

[PolWatch]

while you are tap dancing, show where I claimed it was "taking over the nation".

Of course now I've come to expect intellectual dishonesty from you.

so you don't think that voter ID cards are necessary nationwide? Only in MN?

[Tahuyaman]

so you don't think that voter ID cards are necessary nationwide? Only in MN?


We had vote fraud elect a governor here in Washington. A third recount was called for after thousands of absentee ballots were suddenly found in the Democrat party headquarters. No one could explain how they got there.

I dont think you need to go so far as to create a voter ID card, but I can see a need for a valid picture ID such as a drivers license, state ID or military ID. No need to reinvent the wheel

Don't you think the voting process should be secure and as clean as we can possibly make it, or is it no big deal? Just something we go through the motions with every couple of years.

[PolWatch]

The system has been working. Yes, there are a few incidents of voter fraud. I think the last figures I saw were less than 1% and the number of cases that would have been prevented by voter IDs was less than that. There are many more cases of fraud committed by dishonest voter registration....and its not usually the voter who is committing the crime. More cases of fraud occur in absentee voting ballets. Because absentee military voters tend to vote repub, changes in absentee voter procedures have never been mentioned. Do you see why it looks like a partisan issue & not a valid problem?

The only requirement to vote in my area has been to give my name and address. They mark my name through as having voted. No one else can vote using my name. No muss, no fuss, no expense.

The goal should be to encourage more people to participate, not make them jump through hoops. I have seen some voters required to pay poll taxes or pass literacy tests. The purpose was to restrict voting to whites. Voter restriction is an issue that I don't like.

[Tahuyaman]

Don't you think the voting process should be secure and as clean as we can possibly make it?


The system has been working. Yes, there are a few incidents of voter fraud. I think the last figures I saw were less than 1% and the number of cases that would have been prevented by voter IDs was less than that. There are many more cases of fraud committed by dishonest voter registration....and its not usually the voter who is committing the crime. More cases of fraud occur in absentee voting ballets. Because absentee military voters tend to vote repub, changes in absentee voter procedures have never been mentioned. Do you see why it looks like a partisan issue & not a valid problem?

The only requirement to vote in my area has been to give my name and address. They mark my name through as having voted. No one else can vote using my name. No muss, no fuss, no expense.

The goal should be to encourage more people to participate, not make them jump through hoops. I have seen some voters required to pay poll taxes or pass literacy tests. The purpose was to restrict voting to whites. Voter restriction is an issue that I don't like.

so, is that a "no"?

[southwest88]

I just know there were more than 100 convictions for vote fraud in that one single election in Minnesota. I don't know if the fraudulent voters were convicted or those who organized the fraud.

It doesn't matter anyway.

V. interesting reading @ http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=minnesota_majority_1

"Profile: Minnesota Majority

"Related Entities:



Has as leader Dan McGrath (http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=dan_mcgrath_1)



"Minnesota Majority was a participant or observer in the following events:


July 12-14, 2010: Conservative Minnesota Group Falsely Claims that Felons Voting Illegally Gave Franken Senate Victory (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a07121410mnsenfraud#a07121410mnse nfraud)

http://www.historycommons.org/pics/icons/edit.png (http://www.historycommons.org/eventedit.jsp?oid=1626004942-106466)


"The conservative activist group Minnesota Majority issues a report claiming that Senator Al Franken (D-MN) won the hotly contested recount for the Minnesota seat (see June 30, 2009 (http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a063009senatorfranken)) because of votes cast by felons voting illegally in Minneapolis-St. Paul."

MN Majority has since merged its voter integrity efforts with another conservative outfit in MN.

There are more stories @ the URL - including county prosecutors on MN Majority's charges, the MN governor weighing in on Sen. Franken's election, a local reporter's take on the allegations by MN Majority, & Common Cause filing a complaint against MN Majority - saying that MN Majority failed to register as a lobbying organization (on the voter registration effort).

[Tahuyaman]

Once again for the slower folks here. There were more than 100 convictions for vote fraud in one election in a single state. This is a fact.

One can attempt to create as much partisan spin as you wish, but that fact will not change.

[Dr. Who]

Well, a Frankenstein monster, anyway.

The real question, Is Trump an actual candidate? Just from the bit I've heard of him, he's not electable. I don't even think he could gain the GOP nomination - too toxic, too bad for (ironically) business. Possibly during the run-up to the Civil War, when political tempers were on fire on all sides of the slavery issue.

The other question - Is Trump a Republican or a Democrat? Either way, I don't think he's electable. But I've seen questions raised about his past support & contributions to Democratic candidates, including the Clintons & the Clinton Foundation. & apparently he's socialized a fair amount with the Clintons as well.

Judging by past experience, I don't think we're going to get a coherent explanation of his antics from him, either. Maybe his political wanderings will just have to be one of the modern political Wonders of the World.
The answer is that he is neither. His is part and parcel of the international oligarchy. That is why you can't peg his political affiliation. Honey Badger don't care!

[Tahuyaman]

The answer is that he is neither. His is part and parcel of the international oligarchy. That is why you can't peg his political affiliation. Honey Badger don't care!

you can't peg his political affiliation because it changes all the time. You can however determine which political philosophy he agrees with by his political donation history. His donations have gone almost entirely to liberal Democrats.

[Redrose]

Not me, I'm glad they unzipped their fly ... now let us see what they pull out :laugh:


11964



.....the homliest woman on the planet.

[Private Pickle]

11964



.....the homliest woman on the planet.

I'd do her as long as she kept the sandals and glasses on.

[Redrose]

I'd do her as long as she kept the sandals and glasses on.


So you're into beastiality?

[Cigar]

GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles downThe head of the Republican National Committee, responding to demands from increasingly worried party leaders, spent nearly an hour Wednesday on the phone with Donald Trump, urging the presidential candidate to tone down his inflammatory comments about immigration that have infuriated a key election constituency.

The call from Chairman Reince Priebus, described by donors and consultants briefed on the conversation and confirmed by the RNC, underscores the extent to which Trump has gone from an embarrassment to a cause for serious alarm among top Republicans in Washington and nationwide.

But there is little they can do about the mogul and reality-television star, who draws sustenance from controversy and attention. And some fear that, with assistance from Democrats, Trump could become the face of the GOP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

[Mac-7]

GOP leaders fear damage to party’s image as Donald Trump doubles down

The head of the Republican National Committee, responding to demands from increasingly worried party leaders, spent nearly an hour Wednesday on the phone with Donald Trump, urging the presidential candidate to tone down his inflammatory comments about immigration that have infuriated a key election constituency.

The call from Chairman Reince Priebus, described by donors and consultants briefed on the conversation and confirmed by the RNC, underscores the extent to which Trump has gone from an embarrassment to a cause for serious alarm among top Republicans in Washington and nationwide.

But there is little they can do about the mogul and reality-television star, who draws sustenance from controversy and attention. And some fear that, with assistance from Democrats, Trump could become the face of the GOP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

So do uber liberals now agree with the GOP?

You never agree with repubs on anything else but now join forces with your mortal enemy to jointly condemn an even greater threat to the socialist agenda?

Hum.

[southwest88]

I just know there were more than 100 convictions for vote fraud in that one single election in Minnesota. I don't know if the fraudulent voters were convicted or those who organized the fraud.

It doesn't matter anyway.

Yah. After looking around on the 'Net, see Wikipedia @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#R esults

"Further investigations[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_Senate_election_in_M innesota,_2008&action=edit&section=14)]

"In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they flagged 2,803 voters for examination including some 1,359 suspected to be ineligible convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area who were suspected of voting illegally in the Senate race.[110] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-FoxNews-110)[111] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-ReferenceA-111) Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.[112] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-Pawlenty_felons-112)[113] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-113)[114] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-media_matters-114) Ramsey County officials narrowed their investigation to 180 cases, while Hennepin County examined 216 cases.[115] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-115)

"Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty said, "They [Minnesota Majority] seem to have found credible evidence that many felons who are not supposed to be voting actually voted in the Franken-Coleman election. I suspect they favored Al Franken. I don’t know that, but if that turned out to be true, they may have flipped the election.”[116] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-116) Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tribune) called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race "unbelievable" and the Minnesota Majority report "good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign."[117] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-117)

"As of July, 2010, the Ramsey County Attorney's Office had brought charges against 28 people.[111] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-ReferenceA-111) In August, 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office received for investigation 110 alleged cases of voter fraud during the 2008 election. In October, 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded that there was enough evidence to charge six people for voter fraud. "Three of the suspects face two felony charges. Three other suspects each face one felony charge."[118] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-118) In October 2010, Hennepin County Attorney Mike freeman announced that charges would be brought against 43 felons for illegally voting in 2008.[119] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008#c ite_note-119)"

(My emphasis - much more info @ the URL)

I cite Wikipedia here because it walks through the timeline, salient events, lots of detail & sources - links @ the article - of a complicated campaign. I remember wondering why it took so long to resolve the election issues. There were 5 parties - DFL & Republican, with about 40% of the vote each, Independent & 2 splinters, plus write-ins. It was very messy, but along the recounts & dueling pressers, Coleman (the incumbent senator & GOP candidate) could have objected @ any point to the procedures, materials, the assignment of initially rejected votes - but didn't.

Wikipedia also notes the number of people charged. If I find the number convicted, I'll put that up too.

[Tahuyaman]

Wikipedia also notes the number of people charged. If I find the number convicted, I'll put that up too.

I already showed where there were over 100 convictions for varying degrees of vote fraud in Minnesota.

If one would remeber, they actually took the fraud case to court with the intent of eliminating the fraudulent ballots and conducting an honest recount.

The judge ruled that yes indeed more than 1000 fraudulent votes were cast, but it was possible that the results could have theortetically split exactly 50/50 so neither candidate received an unfair advantage.

[southwest88]

A last bit of information. From http://www.startribune.com/nick-coleman-felons-flipped-an-election-unbelievable/98635764/

"July 17, 2010 — 9:06pm

"Nick Coleman

"Minnesota Majority deserves credit for finding a few hundred people who may have voted while they were still on parole or probation and thus not eligible to vote. Well done, lads! But this was not a public service. It was a political stunt.

"No one can know how the felons voted, or whether they made a difference or even cared about the Senate race. More than 400,000 Minnesotans skipped the Senate race while voting for president in 2008, so all we know for sure is that a lot of law-abiding citizens held their noses and didn't vote for Franken or Coleman.

"Many people misunderstand the felon issue, which is being distorted by those who are flogging it for political purposes. A person convicted of a felony is not permanently barred from the voting booth. As soon as he is released from parole or probation, his citizenship rights are fully restored. News anchors and talking heads should be more precise: Former felons can vote. And requiring photo ID at the polls won't help much: Even felons can have driver's licenses."

[Tahuyaman]

Anyone notice how I provided facts and others have tried to spin those facts in various ways?

[whatukno]

Trump, Trump, Trump. I'm so glad he's running, and I hope he gets the nomination, he will be annihilated by any left wing candidate. The comedians will have a field day, and he will do to the GOP worse than Bush ever did. I don't think the GOP would be able to survive after Trump destroys the party from within.

[decedent]

I don't care if female FOX anchors look like prostitutes. There's nothing wrong with getting your news from prostitutes.

[Cigar]

Say Hello to The New GOP Leader :laugh:

Trump leads GOP presidential field in new national pollMedia coverage of Donald Trump's controverisal immigration remarks have lifted the GOP presidential candidate to the top of the Republican field, according to a new Economist/YouGov poll.

Trump was the preferred GOP nominee for president for 15 percent of respondents — 4 points ahead of former Gov. Jeb Bush (Fla.) and Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), who were tied for second place.

Gov. Scott Walker (Wis.), Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) and former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Ark.) shared the third spot with 9 percent each.

In addition to being the first choice for the majority of likely voters who participated in the poll, Trump was also the primary second choice for those who preferred another candidate as their nominee.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/247383-trump-leads-gop-presidential-field-in-new-national-poll


You Conservative must be Proud of your Leader :grin:

[Cigar]

I don't care if female FOX anchors look like prostitutes. There's nothing wrong with getting your news from prostitutes.

If you don't care where you're getting it, why should I. :laugh:

[decedent]

Why would you want to get news from Rachel Madcow? She looks like a teenage boy and doesn't show any skin.

[texan]

Conservative media destroyed conservative politics. The right's impossible to take seriously. Then came Trump!


Fox News –and the conservative media-industrial complex – have created a Frankenstein. His name is Donald Trump, and his political success is now a huge problem for the Republican Party. In so many ways, Trump’s political existence was inevitable. For years, Fox News and the conservative talk radio machine have played to the populist Tea Party id: fomenting fear, demonizing immigrants, and enabling every nativist anxiety imaginable. Now they’re paying the price.

Donald Trump is practically a mirror image of the Fox News psyche. Most of his speeches consist of repackaged stupidities plucked right out of the conservative mediascape. It’s kind of brilliant, really. Trump knows his audience, and he beams back at them every idiotic thing they want to hear. Which, of course, is exactly what Fox News does.

The wonderful irony of all this is that the conservative media have ruined conservative politics, far more than liberals ever did. And the results speak for themselves. It’s true that Fox News has promoted the conservative brand and very likely energized grass-roots conservatism in some sense, but at what cost? The GOP, increasingly, is no longer a national party – it’s confined more and more to the South and to pockets of rural America.

The Republicans have had their share of electoral successes in recent years, and Fox News surely aided in that, but if you look closely you’ll see that the political success of conservatives have not led to policy successes. On the contrary, liberalism is winning. Obama, for instance, has been one of the most consequential presidents in modern American history. Both politically and culturally, the country is more liberal today than it was a decade ago. And this has happened in spite of the triumph of Fox News and conservative media.


http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/fox_news_built_a_fked_up_frankenstein_dumb_angry_a nd_divorced_from_facts_now_donald_trump_will_devou r_them/

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