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eninn
07-28-2012, 06:33 AM
(The definition of Muhammad the Messenger of Allah) Peace be upon you Mohammed bin Abdullah bin Abdul Muttalib peace be upon him

He was born in 570 AD and died in 633 AD
Many people in these days of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Who is it exactly? What did he teach? He loves a lot of people do not do some of them? Did he live up to his? Did the holy man? Was he a prophet of God? What is the truth about this man? You be the judge!

Here are the facts as narrated by thousands of people, many of whom knew the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and knew him personally.
He was born to the lineage of Mecca and the oldest tribes.
named "Muhammad" is derived from the source, "Hamad," and the public since that time and until this very moment, God inherits the earth and them arriving him many times per day, - blessings of Allah be upon Muhammad peace be upon him -

He never habits of the tribe in the worship of idols, idols or gods that they fell into.
He believes that God is one God and must be worshiped alone, without any partner.
He was revered and respected name of God never took a jest or ridicule was not used for the purposes or the interests of no use.
He despised false worship and all the consequent behaviors and transactions degenerate.
committed to the application of all religious teachings, "the teachings of one God," as did the prophets before him.
He never. He advised others not to commit this shameful act.
He forbade the hills as he did before Christ, peace be upon him centuries.
He never gambled and did not allow it.
did not drink alcohol, though it was a very normal thing for people of his time.
backbite not anyone ever, and shows what he hears from gossip and backbiting.
He fasted closer to Almighty God and away from the desires of him.
He said that the Messiah Jesus son of Mary - peace be upon him - is a miracle of God's creation and that the mother of the Virgin of the best

He never. He advised others not to commit this shameful act.
He forbade the hills as he did before Christ, peace be upon him centuries.
He never gambled and did not allow it.
did not drink alcohol, though it was a very normal thing for people of his time.
backbite not anyone ever, and shows what he hears from gossip and backbiting.
He fasted closer to Almighty God and away from the desires of him.
He said that the Messiah Jesus son of Mary - peace be upon him - is a miracle of God's creation and that the mother of the Virgin of the best creation of Almighty God.
He ordered the reunion of one family and reverence for family ties, also re-building relationships between family members.

urged his followers to engage women through legal marriage and deprived of adultery.
He insisted - upon him blessings and peace - to give women their rights of dowry, inheritance and property ....
All manners of noble patience and humility, and others had to admit to everyone who knew him by creating Hamid, who is unparalleled among humans.

A - did not lie Muhammad - peace be upon him - never, did not betray the covenants did not false witness, never. Was known by all the tribes in Mecca, known Saadiq Secretary.
B - has not weighed - peace be upon him - never, and did not have relations outside of marriage did not accept such acts even though it was very common at that time.
T - not associated with any woman except in the framework of legitimate marriage and the presence of witnesses according to law.

W - relationship with Ms. Aisha - may Allah be pleased with them - was a valid marriage relationship we know the details of the conversations, which shared the Aisha as the highest relationship between a man and a woman full of love and respect. Ayesha is considered one of the best of Roy talk about the Prophet - peace be upon him - was not only one day the wife of the Messenger of Allah, were not linked to any other man, the Prophet did not tell him - peace be upon him - that is never a negative attitude.

C - Campus - peace be upon him - killing until it is clear from the rule of God in the situation. As God's teachings in this regard: Allah has permitted to kill all of the experience of Muslims and Islam, but fighting on the border with the province, including that of God on this matter.
H - Islam has forbidden the killing of any innocent life.

X - never happened no genocide of Jews. He asked forgiveness for them and provided them with protection, even after they broke their covenants with him - peace be upon him - several times. Did not address them, the messenger is only after it became clear to him that they betrayed him and wanted to sign him and the Muslims. Retaliation was applied only to those who proved to be treason to God and His noble Messenger.

D - then known tribes to own slaves and that Islam came to edit the order necks. He has the prophet freeing slaves and ordered all his followers to do so. It up - peace be upon him - free maid - who was like a son to him - Zaid bin Haritha and by Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him bought Bilal al-Habashi - the first muezzin in Islam - only to edit it.

Y - For those who were trying to undermine the messenger and kill him, (The most famous incident that occurred when Nam master the generosity of God and his face in the bed of the Messenger of Allah on the night he left the city with Abu Bakr , may Allah be pleased with him), he did the Prophet anyone ever to punish those involved in such such acts. The biggest proof of that when the Prophet entered Mecca triumphantly and his was the first orders to his followers not to harm any who offend him and his companions were (peace be upon him). That is one of the scenes of amnesty and pardon in the life of Holy Prophet (peace be upon him).

T - did not allow the Muslims to fight in the first thirteen years of advocacy. It was not related Bmekdrthm to fight because they were experienced to do so because the nature of the life they once knew and long-standing disputes between the tribes, but it's God's fight had not been revealed yet. But after that the law of God Almighty the fighting began with the duties and rights arising from that and the limits of God. The orders of God on the subject of fighting and a clear and explicit for those who fight and how, when and what limits must not be overcome.
G - forbidden in Islam to destroy the infrastructure is strictly prohibited unless ordered by God according to certain situations.

Q - While the enemies of Islam seek to abuse the Prophet in various ways and cursing, he (peace be upon him) praying for their guidance. The best proof of this trip (peace be upon him) to Taif, which hurt the Messenger of Allah mischief very beginning of the refusal to meet him by the tribal elders and ending with the beat and pelted him with stones by children who are left behind even bloodied feet Ahariftan peace be upon him. And when he came Gabriel peace be upon him to take revenge on his enemies and offered him to order the king of the mountains to be applied on them, reject (peace be upon him), and he urged them to be guided and said, " It may be out of the solidity who believes in God. "What the will of the Holy Prophet is to deliver the message and did not take care of himself and the extent of the injury suffered.

U - The Prophet (peace be upon him) that every child is born on instinct (to Islam: Islam means complete submission to God and follow his orders), but influenced by the society in which they live and education received by the change what's inside of common sense.
R - The Science of the Holy Prophet and his companions, all Muslims to worship the one God the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David and Solomon and Jesus, peace be upon them all and believe in them all the apostles and prophets, and the servants of the One God. He also stressed the respect and reverence for all the prophets, without differentiating between them.

Z - also said that the assets of the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel are from the same source as the Quran - not a God -
I - predicted the Prophet - inspired by God - a lot of events have already been, as told from the events of the future and you will get there as well.

Q - I have stated in the Koran the story of the sinking of Pharaoh, when the right of the Prophet Moses peace be upon him is outside of Egypt, "the day shall We save thee to be behind those verses," The French scientist, Maurice Bucaille in his book "The Bible, Quran and Science" to confirm this fact, which stunned the world when it reached through his analysis of the mummy of "Pharaoh" that the effects of salt remaining due to drowning in the sea, and said this is what God says in the Qur'an more than 1400 years.

P - The events of the story of the sinking of Pharaoh was before the mission of the Prophet (peace be upon him) thousands of years and mentioned in the Koran did not show this truth to the world only a few decades ago after more than 1400 years to the revelation of the Qur'an ... How the messenger to know this, if not the Holy Word of God one Sunday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjODUMOmVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFYefCyiac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z_PyXuudEg

MMC
07-28-2012, 07:00 AM
Mohammed: aka-Mahomet.....led 27 military Campaigns against innocent villages and caravans and planeed 38 others.

I am the Prophet who laughs killing my enemies. (Hadith)

The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. He died in 773 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham in 828 A.D. and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham's "Life of Muhammad" relied on the earlier works. Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina, who died in 825 A.D. produced a work, which portions of which have survived, called "The Expeditions of Muhammad". The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm (http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm)


Edited: I cannot copy this piece due to invisible ink. In order to read the lighter text Highlight and it will show up. Otherwise you can access the link.

But it will give you some Historical Information despite the opinions of those who had written it. Most are Arabs and Muslims themselves.

eninn
07-28-2012, 07:25 AM
Your words is incorrect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq4cJznc3W4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPtPNJsjTmY
The truth
Islam, Christianity and Judaism
Source of the one divine
God
But
Been corrupted Torah and the Gospels
So
Find different opinions
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(71) O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?

(157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

On the contrary, -
Reconstruction and find life in Islam
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

(68) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty
(69) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated
(70) Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful
(71) And he who repents and does righteousness does indeed turn to Allah with [accepted] repentance

-Look at the Crusades
Killed millions of people, women and children without mercy
Under the name of Christ
Jesus is innocent of that

On the contrary,
Prophet Muhammad in the wars
Order the believers
Not killing women, children and non-burn destruction of houses and trees

Added to that-
Theft of Research Science and Muslims
And attributed to themselves by deception and lying
Will write an article about it soon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zi86BkDeRF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WRQUyrN0pk&feature=player_embedded

eninn
07-28-2012, 07:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zi86BkDeRF4

MMC
07-28-2012, 07:39 AM
My Turn.....:grin:
Muhammad as a Normal Man (570-610)

Muhammad's birth is said to have been in the "year of the Elephant", which one believes is pointing to the invasion from Yemen, where an elephant was brought along in order to smash the Ka'ba (http://thepoliticalforums.com/kabe.htm), an event which is dated to 570 AD (where Muhammad's recorded age at certain times, have been used as the main source for the estimation). Muhammad's family belonged to the clan of Hashim, a branch of the Quraysh tribe. While the Quraysh was dominating Mecca (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#mecca), the Hashimis had little but religious prestige connected to the, at that time pagan, shrine of Ka'ba (http://thepoliticalforums.com/kabe.htm).

As Muhammad's father, Abdullah, died before the birth of his son, and his mother, Amina, when he was 6, Muhammad was in the care of his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib for two years, and then with his uncle Abu Talib, until he reached mature age.
Muhammad is, by Muslim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) theologists, not believed to have received any education (http://thepoliticalforums.com/education.htm), and in young age he started working with the caravans. It was while working as a trader, that Muhammad came to know the widow (and divorcee) Khadija, who was the owner of a caravan company where Muhammad was employed. At the age of 25 Muhammad married Khadija, then 40. Even if Khadija had children from both of her former marriages (http://thepoliticalforums.com/marriage.htm), she got 7 children with Muhammad. Khadija died in 619, and soon Muhammad remarried. Unlike in his marriage (http://thepoliticalforums.com/marriage.htm) with Khadija, he chose to have several wives, 9 is reported. Some of these wives were ways of knotting closer relations with powerful people in the society, and some were widows without economical support.


Muhammad also enjoyed the protection of his uncle and earlier guardian, Abu Talib. But Abu Talib and Khadija both died in 619, and from this time on, Muhammad's position was under strong threat. The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm), but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#ayet) where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam2.htm#sure) 53.
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget

But these supposed ayats (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#ayet) are not in our present Koran (http://thepoliticalforums.com/kuran.htm), where this text now is found: 21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
There are two interpretations of this: Many Muslim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) scholars doubt the sources. Some others, among them Western scholars, believe that the first version was an attempt to convince the Meccans to join Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm) until surah 17 when these verses were corrected and removed. But the historical fact is that surah 53 was revealed in the 5th year of Prophethood, while surah 17 was revealed in the 11th year of Prophethood and during these 6 years the Meccan leaders, instead of being followers of Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm), they continued to persecute Muslims.
No matter how one interprets this, all scholars seem to agree that the difficult conditions of the first few Muslims (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) are reflected in this story.

Madina and the Rise to Power (622-630)

Many of the inhabitants of Yathrib converted to Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm), but among the large Jewish community (http://thepoliticalforums.com/jews.htm) that lived here, only few converted. A large part of the converts are called hypocrites, by the first Muslim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) sources. After only two years, Muhammad's relationship with them had begun to deteriorate, and the remaining Jewish (http://thepoliticalforums.com/jews.htm) believers were later expelled for co-operating with Muhammad's enemies.
Muhammad enforced his position in the region, and in particular in Yathrib, through successful military campaigns, like the one at Badr in 624, and the defense battles in Uhud (where the Muslims (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) faced a slight defeat) in 625 and Ditsh in 627. Neighboring tribes started to enter into agreements with Muhammad, and in 628, after Muhammad tried to perform the pilgrimage, Hajj (http://thepoliticalforums.com/hac.htm) he concluded a treaty with the Meccans, that allowed the Muslims (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) to enter Mecca (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#mecca) the following year for performing. In 630 Muhammad managed to take control over Mecca (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#mecca) without any resistance. A general amnesty was granted to all Qurayshis, Muhammad's former enemies, even if they did not convert to Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm).

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/muhammed.htm

Mohammed while in Turkey. :rollseyes:

MMC
07-28-2012, 07:51 AM
List of ProphetsIn Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm) it's believed that there were a total of 25 Prophets instructed by Allah (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#allah) (God) to warn their community against evil and urge them to follow God. However, only some have been sent holy books such as the Tawrat, Zabur, Bible and Qur'an (http://thepoliticalforums.com/kuran.htm), and these prophets are considered as Messengers of God.
The first prophet is Adam, and the last one is Muhammad (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#top), thus He's considered as the Seal of the Prophets. Jesus is the result of a virgin birth in Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm) as in Christianity (http://thepoliticalforums.com/hristiyan.htm), and is regarded as a prophet (24th one) like the others, and as the Messiah as well. Five prophets are regarded as especially major: Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), and Muhammad (http://thepoliticalforums.com/#top). Here is a complete list of Prophets:

Adam
Idris (Enoch)
Nuh (Noah)
Hud (Heber)
Saleh (Shelah)
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Lut (Lot)
Ismail (Ishmael)
Ishaq (Isaac)
Yaqub (Jacob)
Yusuf (Joseph)
Shoaib (Jethro)
Musa (Moses)
Harun (Aaron)
Davud (David)
Suleyman (Solomon)
Ayub (Job)
Ilyas (Elias)
Zulkifl (Ezekiel)
Al-Yasa (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah)
Zakariya (Zechariah)
Yahya (John the Baptist (http://thepoliticalforums.com/johnbaptist.htm))
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad.....snip~ :rollseyes:

MMC
07-28-2012, 07:55 AM
Uhm.....thats for the Judeo/Islamic/Christian man-made religions. this does not include the myraid of other prophets that existed but did not get any attention. Or at least some until not much later in history.

BTW- where was Zorastranism practiced? Also Where were the Essences and the Holy Man Zadok at this point in the timeline of history? That would be the ones that both Christ and Mohammed Visited.

eninn
07-29-2012, 08:01 AM
Thank you for reading topic

MMC
07-29-2012, 08:23 AM
Thank you for reading topic

NP Ennin.....hope you read what the rest of the Western World knows about this man you speak of. Course this does not include what the Hindu's or any others know about him. There is actually quite a bit of knowledge out there which cannot be debunked about Mohammed and or Mahomet. Which comes from several different sources and is not hindered by propaganda from any!

Captain Obvious
07-29-2012, 12:02 PM
Damn, MMC - looks like you know more about Islam than Muslims.

MMC
07-29-2012, 01:54 PM
Well this is one of the problems that Western Civlization seems to have when discussing issues with those in the ME. As those in the ME and most foreigners proceed under the assumption that they are educated. Due to speaking 3 or 4 languages. While some may be book smart. They all proceed under their own version of History. While mostly proving there isn't a shred of common sense in their bones.

But to outright deny that Mohammed was killing in the name of his God and Religion, and killing Muslims. Is like trying to deny Hitler ever existed.

AZFlyFisher
07-29-2012, 01:58 PM
The truth about the man?

He was just a man. He got a lot of people to follow him.

It's going to take a while longer before people stop believing in invisible men in the sky because of him.

Carygrant
07-29-2012, 02:07 PM
Well this is one of the problems that Western Civlization seems to have when discussing issues with those in the ME. As those in the ME and most foreigners proceed under the assumption that they are educated. Due to speaking 3 or 4 languages. While some may be book smart. They all proceed under their own version of History. While mostly proving there isn't a shred of common sense in their bones.

But to outright deny that Mohammed was killing in the name of his God and Religion, and killing Muslims. Is like trying to deny Hitler ever existed.



They will track you down and jihad you .
As we speak , my pals at Kavkazcenter are composing the torture programme before chopping bits off you .

MMC
07-29-2012, 02:17 PM
They will track you down and jihad you .
As we speak , my pals at Kavkazcenter are composing the torture programme before chopping bits off you .

I await.....and let them come. I will eat Cake! :evil: Plus make sure they are men of No Conscience. As that is.....their ONLY chance! :evil5:

Captain Obvious
07-29-2012, 04:01 PM
The truth about the man?

He was just a man. He got a lot of people to follow him.

It's going to take a while longer before people stop believing in invisible men in the sky because of him.

Are you just a one-trick pony, is that all you have to say is anti-religious remarks?

You're atheist, we get it. We got it the first 50 times, are you capable of discussing anything without demonstrating your contempt toward religious people or is this all you got?

Either you're trying to convert people to atheism or you're spamming/trolling, and if you're trying to convert people to atheism, you're dumber than I give you credit for.

Peter1469
07-29-2012, 04:51 PM
No, that is all he has....

Carygrant
07-29-2012, 04:58 PM
Are you just a one-trick pony, is that all you have to say is anti-religious remarks?

You're atheist, we get it. We got it the first 50 times, are you capable of discussing anything without demonstrating your contempt toward religious people or is this all you got?

Either you're trying to convert people to atheism or you're spamming/trolling, and if you're trying to convert people to atheism, you're dumber than I give you credit for.


Atheism is a fine religion .

Chris
07-29-2012, 05:27 PM
Atheism is a fine religion .

Oh, what do atheists believe?

Goldie Locks
07-29-2012, 06:25 PM
If I told you the truth about Muhammad you would deny it...so why bother.

Carygrant
07-29-2012, 06:32 PM
Oh, what do atheists believe?
\
Nothing .
No headaches or worries

Chris
07-29-2012, 07:03 PM
\
Nothing .
No headaches or worries

Right, thus not a religion.

eninn
07-30-2012, 07:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iymrmd7QOo

AZFlyFisher
07-30-2012, 01:22 PM
Are you just a one-trick pony, is that all you have to say is anti-religious remarks?

You're atheist, we get it. We got it the first 50 times, are you capable of discussing anything without demonstrating your contempt toward religious people or is this all you got?

Either you're trying to convert people to atheism or you're spamming/trolling, and if you're trying to convert people to atheism, you're dumber than I give you credit for.

Geez. All I did was tell the truth.

Trinnity
07-30-2012, 05:03 PM
Geez. All I did was tell the truth.Prove it.

eninn
07-31-2012, 07:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTMqDpXLvII

Trinnity
07-31-2012, 09:42 AM
Uh huh.



Ya got nothin', AZ. Got it.

eninn
08-01-2012, 06:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvv1dxNlv84



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sy3ZQLKgwM

eninn
08-01-2012, 06:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvv1dxNlv84

MMC
08-01-2012, 01:47 PM
Still can't change the man's history Eninn. No matter how much propaganda they feed Muslims.

eninn
08-03-2012, 06:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrjhF_kCkQ&feature=related

Trinnity
08-03-2012, 06:56 AM
What is the point, ennin? Are you trying to convert people on this forum to Islam?

Captain Obvious
08-03-2012, 08:33 PM
He had me as Sharia.

roadmaster
08-03-2012, 08:36 PM
He had me as Sharia.

It must have been the picture you have under your name.

Trinnity
08-03-2012, 09:08 PM
Of course he never answers a question put to him.

Why?

Is he mentally incapable of debate or just a coward?

eninn
08-05-2012, 07:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht7yCI_rzfU

Trinnity
08-05-2012, 08:30 AM
How come you don't talk/debate/discuss anything with anyone here, eninn?

eninn
08-06-2012, 06:17 AM
http://www.eqraa.com/download/video/mualimhi.rm

Chris
08-06-2012, 06:26 AM
How come you don't talk/debate/discuss anything with anyone here, eninn?

I wonder does he even speak English since all this material is cut'n'pasted from elsewhere.

URF8
08-06-2012, 06:46 AM
It's likely the Prophet Mohammed never existed.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122669909279629451.html

URF8
08-06-2012, 06:48 AM
How come you don't talk/debate/discuss anything with anyone here, eninn?

Perhaps he doesn't want to be contradicted on the subject of religious matters by infidels, and thus won't engage in discussion or debate.

Captain Obvious
08-06-2012, 06:57 AM
Quit picking on eninn, this is his happy place. You're harshing his mellow.

eninn
08-07-2012, 07:29 AM
ALLAH says to his prophet Mohammad peace be upon him: ((33. We know indeed the grief which their words do cause thee: It is not thee they reject: it is the signs of Allah, which the wicked contemn.))
We got used to read the false topics from the unbelievers, which only depend on deception and dishonesty ... strange .... some people are running to kill themselves

MMC
08-07-2012, 07:36 AM
ALLAH says to his prophet Mohammad peace be upon him: ((33. We know indeed the grief which their words do cause thee: It is not thee they reject: it is the signs of Allah, which the wicked contemn.))
We got used to read the false topics from the unbelievers, which only depend on deception and dishonesty ... strange .... some people are running to kill themselves

The one problem with that theory is that when all the Other Sources of material out there are saying the same thing. Yet those in the ME keep trying to tell a different story. Unfortunately the other 2/3rds of the World Population knows to correlate their sources together.

Again Unfortunately the rest of the world knows. Anytime Followers of Islam Speak. That the record must always be checked. Due to the lost translation by those Mulims. :wink:

eninn
08-09-2012, 06:45 AM
http://www.eqraa.com/download/video/mualimhi.rm

Trinnity
08-09-2012, 08:39 AM
Islamists are evil people who enjoy killing.

eninn
08-10-2012, 07:09 AM
This is a good question.
Kill the infidels and the polytheists in the Holy Qur'an for several specific reasons and specific conditions

Example
If someone assaults you and kill your children and your relatives and your package from your country by force
What will you do?

This exactly happened in the time of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Polytheists and infidels tortured new Muslims unjustly

Killing infidels owners of the Messenger of Allah, without the right

Prevent the infidels from Muslim food and drink without the right

Infidels and take their money home without the right

Get out the infidels of Mecca, the Prophet without the right

Imagine with me all these terrible acts occurred

Only because they are Muslims

Therefore, the revelation came through Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

State in the Holy Qur'an

Must fight the polytheists as mohammed they killed unduly

But
You mohammed you the right to kill them


36. Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (ie the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun

But
The peaceful infidels should not fight them or kill them at all

We have to talk to them about the message of Islam to respect

8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.

MMC
08-10-2012, 09:33 AM
Muhammad also enjoyed the protection of his uncle and earlier guardian, Abu Talib. But Abu Talib and Khadija both died in 619, and from this time on, Muhammad's position was under strong threat. The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm), but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#ayet) where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam2.htm#sure) 53.
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget

But these supposed ayats (http://thepoliticalforums.com/sozlukislam1.htm#ayet) are not in our present Koran (http://thepoliticalforums.com/kuran.htm), where this text now is found: 21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
There are two interpretations of this: Many Muslim (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) scholars doubt the sources. Some others, among them Western scholars, believe that the first version was an attempt to convince the Meccans to join Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm) until surah 17 when these verses were corrected and removed. But the historical fact is that surah 53 was revealed in the 5th year of Prophethood, while surah 17 was revealed in the 11th year of Prophethood and during these 6 years the Meccan leaders, instead of being followers of Islam (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm), they continued to persecute Muslims.
No matter how one interprets this, all scholars seem to agree that the difficult conditions of the first few Muslims (http://thepoliticalforums.com/islam.htm#muslim) are reflected in this story.....snip~:rollseyes:

eninn
09-11-2012, 07:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10QsdhPgDbg
Majesty the word of God and the name of the Seal of the Prophets Muhammad appears in the sky الله-محمد) )

eninn
09-12-2012, 08:17 AM
http://www.eqraa.com/download/video/mualimhi.rm

Equality
09-15-2012, 01:23 AM
I think people who were deviant enough to support the hate movie need to read this amazing thread.

Peter1469
09-15-2012, 06:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10QsdhPgDbg

Majesty the word of God and the name of the Seal of the Prophets Muhammad appears in the sky الله-محمد) )


clouds? We have them here too.

Peter1469
09-15-2012, 06:55 AM
I think people who were deviant enough to support the hate movie need to read this amazing thread.

Is there any difference between "supporting" the hate movie, and supporting the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution?

eninn
09-15-2012, 07:31 AM
-Defense of the prophets and apostles
The duty of every Muslim

All are equal
It ought to punish any person who speaks bad verbal or picture the Holy Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Because it is from God
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
(34) Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


Talk about the extent of the limits of God, and put Sharia means the process of criminal crucial during her talk about the limits of Allah Almighty, as in this verse, in order to maintain security and prevent the evil souls of the rush away from Noazaaha own deviant, which pushes toward killing and looting, banditry and scheming of Islam and Muslims, and spread chaos and destruction, and corruption in the lives of the people, and so on ... To clarify the issue for the punishment of Allah and His Messenger

Trinnity
09-15-2012, 07:34 AM
eninn, would you comment on the current Anti-American violence in the Middle East? I'd like to hear your views on it.

Peter1469
09-15-2012, 07:55 AM
-Defense of the prophets and apostles
The duty of every Muslim

All are equal
It ought to punish any person who speaks bad verbal or picture the Holy Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Because it is from God
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
(34) Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


Talk about the extent of the limits of God, and put Sharia means the process of criminal crucial during her talk about the limits of Allah Almighty, as in this verse, in order to maintain security and prevent the evil souls of the rush away from Noazaaha own deviant, which pushes toward killing and looting, banditry and scheming of Islam and Muslims, and spread chaos and destruction, and corruption in the lives of the people, and so on ... To clarify the issue for the punishment of Allah and His Messenger

Sounds like a reason to stop all Muslim immigration to the West and particularly to the US. We won't amend our Constitution because of Muslim intolerance.

We should immediately deport all Muslims who don't accept modernity and then spend the money needed to replace oil as a transportation fuel. Then we should sit back and watch the economy of the Middle East return to the 13th century- so they economy equals their philosophy. When the oil money dries up you won't be able to make nukes or any other advanced weapon. You will be more worried about not starving to death than menacing the civilized world. Sounds like a plan to me. What do you think?

Trinnity
09-15-2012, 08:00 AM
When are we gonna take the Islamists seriously? They want to destroy western civilization.
Eninn, where are you in all this? Are you promoting peaceful Islam here, or recruiting for Jihad?

It's an honest question, how about giving me an honest answer? How about speaking TO us instead of AT us?

Chris
09-15-2012, 08:05 AM
Sounds like a reason to stop all Muslim immigration to the West and particularly to the US. We won't amend our Constitution because of Muslim intolerance.

Hard to take seriously the combination of run on sentences and fragments and generally incoherent nonsense as...
Talk about the extent of the limits of God, and put Sharia means the process of criminal crucial during her talk about the limits of Allah Almighty, as in this verse, in order to maintain security and prevent the evil souls of the rush away from Noazaaha own deviant, which pushes toward killing and looting, banditry and scheming of Islam and Muslims, and spread chaos and destruction, and corruption in the lives of the people, and so on ... To clarify the issue for the punishment of Allah and His Messenger

Peter1469
09-15-2012, 08:15 AM
Hard to take seriously the combination of run on sentences and fragments and generally incoherent nonsense as...

It was hard to follow. Another reason to only let intelligent people immigrate to the US.

Trinnity
09-15-2012, 08:22 AM
Peter, I'm not at all convinced eninn can read English. I'm wondering if this is all just cut and paste stuff he's been told to do on multiple sites. I've seen his name and same posts all over the web.

Calypso Jones
09-15-2012, 08:26 AM
Perhaps. PERHAPS Muhammad was a good man as compared to other arab men of his day. But his followers are a pack of barbarous sodomizing pigs.

Peter1469
09-15-2012, 08:26 AM
I see.

shaarona
09-15-2012, 08:31 AM
I think people who were deviant enough to support the hate movie need to read this amazing thread.

Americans can use their freedom of speech to condemn the movie and the violence.

shaarona
09-15-2012, 08:33 AM
Sounds like a reason to stop all Muslim immigration to the West and particularly to the US. We won't amend our Constitution because of Muslim intolerance.

We should immediately deport all Muslims who don't accept modernity and then spend the money needed to replace oil as a transportation fuel. Then we should sit back and watch the economy of the Middle East return to the 13th century- so they economy equals their philosophy. When the oil money dries up you won't be able to make nukes or any other advanced weapon. You will be more worried about not starving to death than menacing the civilized world. Sounds like a plan to me. What do you think?

Well, there are plenty of oil markets to the east. They won't be returning to the 13th century.

Trinnity
09-15-2012, 08:43 AM
Americans can use their freedom of speech to condemn the movie and the violence.The movie is tacky as hell, but makes some valid points about the abuses that took place in Islam...."kill the infidels" is only one of them. Then there's Taqiyya and Kitman. Islam condones deception and violence, imo.

Even if we do condemn the movie, they won't listen. And this is not about that damn movie anyway. This is Al Qaeda. This is the Pan-Islamic agenda at work.

Look up "Pan Islamic Agenda" folks, if you're not familiar with the concept.

Calypso Jones
09-15-2012, 08:46 AM
tackyness not withstanding. truth hurts. Perhaps that's why the muslims are going ape slip.

Calypso Jones
09-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Well, there are plenty of oil markets to the east. They won't be returning to the 13th century.

they've not left the 13th century and you're being kind naturally. We shoulda taken their damn oil fields when they started pulling this crap. Other nations would have. That's why muslims hold us in such contempt. We have a sissy britches muslim as a president. good thinking america. you bunch of retards.

shaarona
09-15-2012, 08:51 AM
The movie is tacky as hell, but makes some valid points about the abuses that took place in Islam...."kill the infidels" is only one of them. Then there's Taqiyya and Kitman. Islam condones deception and violence, imo.

Even if we do condemn the movie, they won't listen. And this is not about that damn movie anyway. This is Al Qaeda. This is the Pan-Islamic agenda at work.

Look up "Pan Islamic Agenda" folks, if you're not familiar with the concept.

There is no such word in Islam.. That's a European term for pledging fealty to the Lord or King.

In Islam the People of the Book cannot be infidels...

Pan Islamic Agenda is an old routine.. It lasted about five years beginning in 195i, but was never actually in practice.

On another level you might say that Muslims want to proselytize, but so do Christians and Mormons. We have a long history of speading the gospel in one way or another..

shaarona
09-15-2012, 08:54 AM
they've not left the 13th century and you're being kind naturally. We shoulda taken their damn oil fields when they started pulling this crap. Other nations would have. That's why muslims hold us in such contempt. We have a sissy britches muslim as a president. good thinking america. you bunch of retards.

Now there's an idea.... Of course we'd have to holocaust them to take their oil... And I guess we'd have to get used to the idea of being a nation of theives.

Chris
09-15-2012, 09:33 AM
It was hard to follow. Another reason to only let intelligent people immigrate to the US.

Not so much a matter oligarchy intelligence as just plain bad translation. One learns a language through dialog not monologue. Rarely see this guy engage in discussion.

Amazing cellphone that can correct "of" to "oligarchy"!! Meant to type not so much a matter of intelligence...

Peter1469
09-15-2012, 10:41 AM
I will keep an eye out. I have not really followed much of his posts.

Trinnity
09-15-2012, 12:50 PM
Pan Islamic Agenda is an old routine.. It lasted about five years beginning in 195i, but was never actually in practice.
Really? See my avi~

http://thepoliticalforums.com/image.php?u=235&dateline=1347538465

Be a sucker if you wish, but not me.

eninn
09-17-2012, 08:41 AM
The movie is tacky as hell, but makes some valid points about the abuses that took place in Islam...."kill the infidels" is only one of them. Then there's Taqiyya and Kitman. Islam condones deception and violence, imo.

Even if we do condemn the movie, they won't listen. And this is not about that damn movie anyway. This is Al Qaeda. This is the Pan-Islamic agenda at work.

Look up "Pan Islamic Agenda" folks, if you're not familiar with the concept.

Should not tell a lie
This reduces your value
Islam does not call for lying
such as your words


Kill the infidels and the polytheists in the Holy Qur'an for several specific reasons and specific conditions

Example
If someone assaults you and kill your children and your relatives and your package from your country by force
What will you do?

This exactly happened in the time of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Polytheists and infidels tortured new Muslims unjustly

Killing infidels owners of the Messenger of Allah, without the right

Prevent the infidels from Muslim food and drink without the right

Infidels and take their money home without the right

Get out the infidels of Mecca, the Prophet without the right

Imagine with me all these terrible acts occurred

Only because they are Muslims

Therefore, the revelation came through Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

State in the Holy Qur'an

Must fight the polytheists as mohammed they killed unduly

But
You mohammed you the right to kill them


36. Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (ie the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun

But
The peaceful infidels should not fight them or kill them at all

We have to talk to them about the message of Islam to respect

8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.

Captain Obvious
09-17-2012, 05:20 PM
Crackpot makes a cheezy youtube video insulting Muhammad? Kill 4 "infidels" who have nothing to do with this video.

Yeah, right.

shaarona
09-17-2012, 07:25 PM
Crackpot makes a cheezy youtube video insulting Muhammad? Kill 4 "infidels" who have nothing to do with this video.

Yeah, right.

To you and I its cheesy, but not all cultures are American.

Captain Obvious
09-17-2012, 07:28 PM
To you and I its cheesy, but not all cultures are American.

And they have every right to feel insulted. And they have every right to protest.

They do not have the right, morally, religiously or legally to kill innocent people over it.

Chris
09-17-2012, 07:48 PM
Well said, Captain.

Stuck_In_California
09-18-2012, 03:39 PM
There is no legitimate reason to accept the Koran as authentic.

It is generally accepted that Muhammed is the author of the Koran. But no one really knows. How can we know if he really wrote the words of Allah or if he created passages himself? Who has the authority to vouch that no errors have crept into the Koran over time? Who tells men to believe in the Koran? To what authority can those men appeal? Islam has no priests, no supreme Pontiff or head Muslim, no official institution to guarantee the authenticity and integrity of the Koran and its teachings, no authority to say that the Koran is inspired. They have their teacher-leaders (imams) and their recorded traditions, but who is to say they are not engineered? Muhammed cannot guarantee to men that he is telling the truth about the Koran. He founded no lasting institution, and he himself did not even name a successor.

Stuck_In_California
09-18-2012, 03:40 PM
FACT: Muslims have no original Bible.

A Muslim believes he has the only true understanding of the original Scriptures. In the Koran, Christians and Jews are accused of concealing God's word (Sura 2:39,72; 3:72), verbally distorting their Scriptures (3:72; 9:30), and not understanding their own Scriptures (2:83-85). A Muslim insists the Koran alone preserves the knowledge and spirit of the originals, and that only Muslims know what they "really said." There are two points to address here 1) the "bible" which the Muslims possess, and 2) the position of that "bible's" author.

Consider that the Muslims themselves have no "original copy" of the Scriptures. The Koran does contain some parts of the Bible which can be easily discerned when the texts are compared. An analysis will discover, however, that the similarity results from someone copying the Bible and not from someone copying the Koran. Thus, the truth of anything contained in the Koran that is not contained in the Bible rests solely on the authority of a camel driver from the Arabian desert: Muhammed.

Muslim belief in the Scriptures and its corruption by non-Muslims is based only on Muhammed's word. Why should any belief in the Bible be based on the authority of Muhammed? He doesn't come along until 600 years after Christ. In spite of this, a Muslim will maintain:

shaarona
09-18-2012, 04:00 PM
And they have every right to feel insulted. And they have every right to protest.

They do not have the right, morally, religiously or legally to kill innocent people over it.

I agree.. Do you make a distinction between AQ and demonstrators?

In fact, many governments are telling their people that they have the right to be angry, but no right to be violent.... because that is EXACTLY what the creators of the film WANTED..

shaarona
09-18-2012, 04:02 PM
FACT: Muslims have no original Bible.

A Muslim believes he has the only true understanding of the original Scriptures. In the Koran, Christians and Jews are accused of concealing God's word (Sura 2:39,72; 3:72), verbally distorting their Scriptures (3:72; 9:30), and not understanding their own Scriptures (2:83-85). A Muslim insists the Koran alone preserves the knowledge and spirit of the originals, and that only Muslims know what they "really said." There are two points to address here 1) the "bible" which the Muslims possess, and 2) the position of that "bible's" author.

Consider that the Muslims themselves have no "original copy" of the Scriptures. The Koran does contain some parts of the Bible which can be easily discerned when the texts are compared. An analysis will discover, however, that the similarity results from someone copying the Bible and not from someone copying the Koran. Thus, the truth of anything contained in the Koran that is not contained in the Bible rests solely on the authority of a camel driver from the Arabian desert: Muhammed.

Muslim belief in the Scriptures and its corruption by non-Muslims is based only on Muhammed's word. Why should any belief in the Bible be based on the authority of Muhammed? He doesn't come along until 600 years after Christ. In spite of this, a Muslim will maintain:

Christians have no "original Bible" either... The Bible is a collections of stories (didactic literature) Morality tales, Poems and letters..

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Captain Obvious
09-18-2012, 05:08 PM
I agree.. Do you make a distinction between AQ and demonstrators?

Peaceful demonstrators, yes. Murderous demonstrators, little distinction.


In fact, many governments are telling their people that they have the right to be angry, but no right to be violent.... because that is EXACTLY what the creators of the film WANTED..

I have no idea what the creators of this film wanted and I'm fairly confident you don't either.

Trinnity
10-19-2012, 06:45 AM
Well, there are plenty of oil markets to the east. They won't be returning to the 13th century.They never left.