Labeling them will not make you safer

[Captain Obvious]

Big, chewy interesting article.


Unhealthy Fixation (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of _fraud_lies_and_errors.html#)The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. Labeling them will not make you safer.



http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of _fraud_lies_and_errors.html


Is genetically engineered food dangerous? Many people seem to think it is. In the past five years, companies have submitted more than 27,000 products (http://www.nongmoproject.org/product-verification/faqs/) to the Non-GMO Project (http://www.nongmoproject.org/), which certifies goods that are free of genetically modified organisms. Last year, sales of such products nearly tripled (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/business/gmo-labels-for-food-are-in-high-demand-but-provide-little-certainty.html). Whole Foods will soon require labels (http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/faqs-gmos) on all GMOs in its stores. Abbott, the company that makes Similac baby formula, has created a non-GMO version to give parents “peace of mind (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/26/business/similac-advance-infant-formula-to-be-offered-gmo-free.html).” Trader Joe’s has sworn off GMOs (http://www.traderjoes.com/faqs/product-information). So has Chipotle (http://ir.chipotle.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=194775&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2040322).

Some environmentalists and public interest groups want to go further. Hundreds of organizations, including Consumers Union, Friends of the Earth, Physicians for Social Responsibility, the Center for Food Safety, and the Union of Concerned Scientists, are demanding “mandatory labeling of genetically engineered foods (http://www.justlabelit.org/partners-center/partners/).” Since 2013, Vermont, Maine, and Connecticut have passed laws to require GMO labels. Massachusetts could be next (http://marighttoknow.com/home/legislative-support/ma-legislation/).





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[Cigar]

Knowing what you Eat, if you can Read, just might give you the opportunity.

[Peter1469]

Label food and let consumers decide.

What could possibly be wrong with that?

[Bo-4]

Though not a GMO fan, i find this obsession with organic vs non organic, gluten-free vs gluten and GMO labeling stuff kind of funny.

Give me delicious fruits and veggies.. don't much care about the rest and will hope not to turn into or see Blinky. :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3qtROYCUAA8ogE.jpg:large

[Mac-7]

I wonder how many of the gmo protestors know what the process is or specifically why it might be bad?

Probably not many because it is very complicated subject.

But they go berserk just hearing the buzzword.

[Mac-7]

Knowing what you Eat, if you can Read, just might give you the opportunity.

But you still don't know even if they label it.

Thats what your buddy is trying to tell you.

[Bo-4]

I wonder how many of the gmo protestors know what the process is or specifically why it might be bad?

Probably not many because it is very complicated subject.

But they go berserk just hearing the buzzword.

We agree for the first (maybe second?) time in two years.

WooHOOO!!

[Captain Obvious]

I wonder how many of the gmo protestors know what the process is or specifically why it might be bad?

Probably not many because it is very complicated subject.

But they go berserk just hearing the buzzword.

I don't disagree with that.

I posted a thread or a question here a while back, why are you against GMO?

Got mixed replies.

[Captain Obvious]

Peter1469 gave the reply that I thought was the most insightful on why GMO's are bad.

[Crepitus]

Personally I don't think they are bad. I think it's all hype.

[Common Sense]

Personally I don't think they are bad. I think it's all hype.

I don't think they are unsafe. I do know they're not great for farmers themselves.

[Crepitus]

I don't think they are unsafe. I do know they're not great for farmers themselves.
In what way?

[Common Sense]

In what way?

Profitability.

High price of seeds, not a huge difference in yield. You can't even grow for seed. You're forced to buy their technology (seeds, fertilizer, pesticides etc..) every year.

[Crepitus]

Profitability.

High price of seeds, not a huge difference in yield. You can't even grow for seed. You're forced to buy their technology (seeds, fertilizer, pesticides etc..) every year.
I would think it would be to the farmers benefit. if it's not increasing yield and decreasing expense then why do it?

[Common Sense]

I would think it would be to the farmers benefit. if it's not increasing yield and decreasing expense then why do it?

The GMO makers make it seem like a great deal. But it really isn't.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-farmers-abandoning-genetically-modified-seeds-non-gmo-crops-are-more-productive-and-profitable/5366365

[Peter1469]

Sustainable farming can produce equal yield, but is less susceptible to crop failure. Crop failure can cause famine.

[Peter1469]

Label it- let consumers choose. Why is that bad?

[Mac-7]

The GMO makers make it seem like a great deal. But it really isn't.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-farmers-abandoning-genetically-modified-seeds-non-gmo-crops-are-more-productive-and-profitable/5366365


Translation: Farmers are stupid.

[Crepitus]

The GMO makers make it seem like a great deal. But it really isn't.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-farmers-abandoning-genetically-modified-seeds-non-gmo-crops-are-more-productive-and-profitable/5366365
If this is true then the problem is solved, there will not be any GMO stuff on the market before long.

I don't actually see that happening though, and a quick search shows most every source links back to one single article, which isn't even a survey or study. Just an opinion piece.

[Common Sense]

Translation: Farmers are stupid.

Not at all. All people are susceptible to marketing ploys.

Translate this: aller vous faire foutre.

[Common Sense]

If this is true then the problem is solved, there will not be any GMO stuff on the market before long.

I don't actually see that happening though, and a quick search shows most every source links back to one single article, which isn't even a survey or study. Just an opinion piece.

I think it does depend on the scale of your farm and what crop you grow.

[Crepitus]

I think it does depend on the scale of your farm and what crop you grow.
Point.

[Bo-4]

I don't disagree with that.

I posted a thread or a question here a while back, why are you against GMO?

Got mixed replies.

Not disagreeing with Mac is very dangerous.

Careful ;)

[Mac-7]

Not at all. All people are susceptible to marketing ploys.



Over and over again?

Year after year, and the poor dumb farmers never catch on to what Common Sense knew all along.


Yeah, you're calling them stupid all right.

[Safety]

Personally I don't think they are bad. I think it's all hype.

The thing is, the public is not too concerned with the harmful effects of something if it takes years for it to come into fruition. We thought asbestos was the most awesome thing we discovered since sliced bread, until we learned that it had a latency period of about 30 - 40 years before you start noticing the effects of asbestosis or mesothelioma. I am weary of anything that is genetically modified in a lab.

[Common Sense]

Over and over again?

Year after year, and the poor dumb farmers never catch on to what Common Sense knew all along.


Yeah, you're calling them stupid all right.


I am not calling them stupid. I will call you stupid if it makes you feel better.

[Mac-7]

Not disagreeing with Mac is very dangerous.

Careful ;)

You have to choose.

I'm just one person, but the lib mafia enforcing the politically correct black list is many.

[Mac-7]

I am not calling them stupid.

You really are as I explained in the previous post.

Maybe you didn't realize you were.

[Common Sense]

You really are as I explained in the previous post.

Maybe you didn't realize you were.

You're an idiot.

[southwest88]

You have to choose.

I'm just one person, but the lib mafia enforcing the politically correct black list is many.

Incoherent. You can talk about Liberals all you like. Saying that they're a Mafia is ludicrous. The Mafia was organized crime, based in Italian (crime) families - who had a code of silence, made men, initiation rites (more or less), & simply never squealed. They were also very attached to Roman Catholicism - yah, go figure.

Politically correct is an old Socialist (I think) buzzword, an in-joke making fun of the endless & exhaustive rhetorical positions of the Socialist theorists, & possibly Communist, too. The term has been sarcastically & recently taken over by the Right-wing punditry in the US, & the meaning inverted to Leftists in general. Blacklist similarly goes back to city/state elections in classic Greece, I think it was. More recently, it was picked up in fraternities, sororities, country clubs, etc. - on the model of blackball, I suppose.

The most recent use I'm aware of was the blacklist that entertainers (Hollywood, mostly - actors, writers, producers, the trades) were put on, if they failed to cooperate with the HUAC hearings in WADC, during the Sen. McCarthy days. It was quite serious - as the Red Scare meant that anyone blacklisted could not work in Show Biz. Careers were ended, marriages broke up, families came apart, people disappeared or drank themselves to death or suicided. Which again is a non sequitur - PC & blacklist together implying that McCarthy & co. were merely political Inquisitors - likely not what you meant.

Unless you're being sarcastic?

Anyway, all this material can be looked up. You might want to do that, because otherwise you get into tricky situations - where the phrasing just doesn't hold up.

[Mac-7]

Incoherent. You can talk about Liberals all you like. Saying that they're a Mafia is ludicrous. The Mafia was organized crime, based in Italian (crime) families - who had a code of silence, made men, initiation rites (more or less), & simply never squealed. They were also very attached to Roman Catholicism - yah, go figure.

Politically correct is an old Socialist (I think) buzzword, an in-joke making fun of the endless & exhaustive rhetorical positions of the Socialist theorists, & possibly Communist, too. The term has been sarcastically & recently taken over by the Right-wing punditry in the US, & the meaning inverted to Leftists in general. Blacklist similarly goes back to city/state elections in classic Greece, I think it was. More recently, it was picked up in fraternities, sororities, country clubs, etc. - on the model of blackball, I suppose.

The most recent use I'm aware of was the blacklist that entertainers (Hollywood, mostly - actors, writers, producers, the trades) were put on, if they failed to cooperate with the HUAC hearings in WADC, during the Sen. McCarthy days. It was quite serious - as the Red Scare meant that anyone blacklisted could not work in Show Biz. Careers were ended, marriages broke up, families came apart, people disappeared or drank themselves to death or suicided. Which again is a non sequitur - PC & blacklist together implying that McCarthy & co. were merely political Inquisitors - likely not what you meant.

Unless you're being sarcastic?

Anyway, all this material can be looked up. You might want to do that, because otherwise you get into tricky situations - where the phrasing just doesn't hold up.


I'll put you down as a politically correct member of the liberal mafia.

[southwest88]

& I'll report you to the Squad squad.

[Redrose]

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Genetically altered foods can hurt us? Who'd a thunk it?

[Mac-7]

The claims that organic farming is cheaper and more productive are not true.

Gmo seeds are not uniform.

Some may be bad but not all of them.

And they all put more food on the table than open pollinated plants.

[Bo-4]

Incoherent. You can talk about Liberals all you like. Saying that they're a Mafia is ludicrous. The Mafia was organized crime, based in Italian (crime) families - who had a code of silence, made men, initiation rites (more or less), & simply never squealed. They were also very attached to Roman Catholicism - yah, go figure.

Politically correct is an old Socialist (I think) buzzword, an in-joke making fun of the endless & exhaustive rhetorical positions of the Socialist theorists, & possibly Communist, too. The term has been sarcastically & recently taken over by the Right-wing punditry in the US, & the meaning inverted to Leftists in general. Blacklist similarly goes back to city/state elections in classic Greece, I think it was. More recently, it was picked up in fraternities, sororities, country clubs, etc. - on the model of blackball, I suppose.

The most recent use I'm aware of was the blacklist that entertainers (Hollywood, mostly - actors, writers, producers, the trades) were put on, if they failed to cooperate with the HUAC hearings in WADC, during the Sen. McCarthy days. It was quite serious - as the Red Scare meant that anyone blacklisted could not work in Show Biz. Careers were ended, marriages broke up, families came apart, people disappeared or drank themselves to death or suicided. Which again is a non sequitur - PC & blacklist together implying that McCarthy & co. were merely political Inquisitors - likely not what you meant.

Unless you're being sarcastic?

Anyway, all this material can be looked up. You might want to do that, because otherwise you get into tricky situations - where the phrasing just doesn't hold up.

BRILLIANT post, but as we can see.. you wasted your time. ;-)

[southwest88]

BRILLIANT post, but as we can see.. you wasted your time. ;-)

Thanks!

But no - I'm honing the blade, keeping the rapier ready for the next engagement. Practice makes perfect, but you have to follow through. Unless you're talking katana - & then you have to stop the blade mid-stroke; you don't want to hang up the blade in bone or a joint, while you still have enemies to dispatch.