View Full Version : Barack Obama is not a modest man, but when it comes to assessing his or any President
Cigar
07-17-2015, 01:56 PM
WASHINGTON, D.C. - I’ve never written a column like this. Readers rarely believe it, but I am not on any political team. Generosity toward the high and mighty isn’t among my few virtues. But this needs to be said: Americans are lucky to have Barack Obama as president and we should wake up and appreciate it while we can.
President Obama will go down in history as an extraordinary president, probably a great one. He will have done this in era that doesn’t aggrandize leaders and presidents, but shrinks them. All presidents have had profound opposition, vicious enemies and colossal failures. A few were beloved and others deeply respected in their day, but none in the modern era and certainly not Obama.
Why? Marcus Aurelius said, “Man is puny in the face of destiny.” If the stoic king were writing about modern, democratic sovereigns, he might say, “Kings are puny in a world blind to destiny, a world seen through the sacred screens of televisions and computers that can view only the puny.”
Many presidents fared better in history than in office. But it would be a morale booster and a sign of civic maturity if more Americans appreciated what an exceptional president they have right now. It could be a long wait for the next one.
:grin: More Proof --> http://www.newsnet5.com/decodedc/mr-president-on-behalf-of-an-ungrateful-nation-thank-you
Barack Obama is not a modest man, but when it comes to assessing his or any President
He is in my honest evaluation a narcissist of the highest order.
When he needs help from Congress, he refuses to meet them and indeed spends more time insulting them than any president of my recall. Back to FDR in fact.
Suppose one looks at the ACA objectively.
It is a mandate to mostly the poor that they must purchase from an insurance firm, a policy of Obama's choosing. It costs him nothing yet makes the Insurance firms giddy with more cash.
He wages wars. Is he good at it? Not that I can see.
Bush has one attack on the USA, that was successful. Even Democrats say he did not stop the one.
Obama has a number of solid attacks where supposedly he had it under control. Even his own Army saw a Major ... an officer, murder many there on the Ft. Hood base.
Boston was a serious attack.
Sure, his fans love to brag, but what the hell. He is not successful but bragging is more fun when you think he is good at the job.
texan
07-17-2015, 02:28 PM
LOL..............Yeah he has no agenda.
texan
07-17-2015, 02:34 PM
I just researched Dick Meyer NPR background and the BBC................NEXT
This is as silly as Chris Mathews saying I had a chill up my leg. That is a love letter.
Cigar
07-17-2015, 02:40 PM
I just researched Dick Meyer NPR background and the BBC................NEXT
This is as silly as Chris Mathews saying I had a chill up my leg. That is a love letter.
Better to have a Chill up the Leg than a Obama Foot up your Ass, Back 2 Black by 9.5 and 5 Million Votes :grin:
decedent
07-17-2015, 03:09 PM
Obama had the audacity to accept the presidency after he was elected. He stood on the steps of the Capitol building and arrogantly accepted his post. Then he had the nerve to move into the white house. Since then, he has signed laws and given speeches. Who does this egomaniac think he is?
He is certainly finishing with a flourish isn't he?
Good read, thanks. I had President Obama at a B minus, but he's currently a solid B and MAY finish with an A or A-
Compared to the last goon?
Don't even go there.
Obama had the audacity to accept the presidency after he was elected. He stood on the steps of the Capitol building and arrogantly accepted his post. Then he had the nerve to move into the white house. Since then, he has signed laws and given speeches. Who does this egomaniac think he is?
He's not arrogant decadent .. he is UPPITY!! :grin:
Obama had the audacity to accept the presidency after he was elected. He stood on the steps of the Capitol building and arrogantly accepted his post. Then he had the nerve to move into the white house. Since then, he has signed laws and given speeches. Who does this egomaniac think he is?
I put all the blame for him being elected on the public.
The politicians spent a billion dollars to explain to the public what happens and who to elect.
The dumb people won. Obama was selected by the truly dumb.
To this day, they believe he is the master of the world.
I put all the blame for him being elected on the public.
The politicians spent a billion dollars to explain to the public what happens and who to elect.
The dumb people won. Obama was selected by the truly dumb.
To this day, they believe he is the master of the world.
Ah yes, you blame it on the millions of "dumb" everyday small donors who kicked in an average of 50-60 bucks to Obama's campaign.
Bob much prefers a candidate with a few dozen corporate stooges stroking checks to the tune of a few million.
THAT'S democracy dammit!
How much did BOB contribute to the McCain or Romney campaigns? My bet is BUPKIS!
Why? Because you somehow believe that your wealthy overlords speak for you. :(
decedent
07-17-2015, 03:34 PM
I put all the blame for him being elected on the public.
That's not fair to Americans. The stupid Americans were clearly duped. I remember Obama saying that he'd give people phones if they voted for him. At least, I think it was Obama. Maybe it was my Mayor.
The dumb people won. Obama was selected by the truly dumb.
Yes. Us intellectuals knew that the McCain/Palin ticket was the best ever. They would have improved the economy, increased trade and increased jobs, unlike Obama with his millions of fake jobs. He's not fooling us.
To this day, they believe he is the master of the world.
Well, they lack our intelligence and political savvy. We should make everyone who votes take a test at the polling station. They should explain why they're voting Democrat. We should not let them vote until we accept their answer or come to their senses and vote Republican.
Lineman
07-17-2015, 05:00 PM
Had Mitt been elected we would all be wearing magic underwear and eating pizza from papa johns with dough boy manning.
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 05:52 PM
While you are congratulating yourselves on how wonderful The Insane One is you do realize you are losing your country, don't you? You will never again be free. You will be massively taxed or your children will be. In the end the economy will collapse, society will unravel and you will live in a third world hell hole.
whatukno
07-17-2015, 05:58 PM
While you are congratulating yourselves on how wonderful The Insane One is you do realize you are losing your country, don't you? You will never again be free. You will be massively taxed or your children will be. In the end the economy will collapse, society will unravel and you will live in a third world hell hole.
Glenn Beck is that YOU?
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 06:02 PM
Glenn Beck is that YOU?
You will be one of those who wonders what happened. I am not surprised.
Do you believe you will be a member of Obama's Politburo?
whatukno
07-17-2015, 06:09 PM
You will be one of those who wonders what happened. I am not surprised.
Do you believe you will be a member of Obama's Politburo?
LOL
Man I think you missed your calling, stand up is just right for you, might I suggest you look up your local comedy club and try and book yourself on an open mic night?
Ah yes, you blame it on the millions of "dumb" everyday small donors who kicked in an average of 50-60 bucks to Obama's campaign.
Bob much prefers a candidate with a few dozen corporate stooges stroking checks to the tune of a few million.
THAT'S democracy dammit!
How much did BOB contribute to the McCain or Romney campaigns? My bet is BUPKIS!
Why? Because you somehow believe that your wealthy overlords speak for you. :(
I put a few hundred dollars up for Romney. I knew he had governed.
But the thought so many people were fooled into thinking Obama was a winner makes me gasp.
Sounds like you voted for the man who let you all down.
OK, time to show who voted for Obama again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 06:40 PM
LOL
Man I think you missed your calling, stand up is just right for you, might I suggest you look up your local comedy club and try and book yourself on an open mic night?
While it is true that I am a very funny guy tyranny has never been a topic of humor for me.
I assume you are about 26. How do you feel about living for 50 years under an iron-fisted tyranny? That is what Obama is building. That is what you are foolishly applauding.
domer76
07-17-2015, 06:44 PM
While you are congratulating yourselves on how wonderful The Insane One is you do realize you are losing your country, don't you? You will never again be free. You will be massively taxed or your children will be. In the end the economy will collapse, society will unravel and you will live in a third world hell hole.
You forgot blood in the streets
GrassrootsConservative
07-17-2015, 06:47 PM
He is certainly finishing with a flourish isn't he?
Good read, thanks. I had President Obama at a B minus, but he's currently a solid B and MAY finish with an A or A-
Compared to the last goon?
Don't even go there.
Keep saying that. Maybe it'll become true. Obama is very similar to the last Liberal goon. He has even continued many of the same freedom-oppressing and government-expanding anti-conservative policies as the last Liberal goon, like the Patriot Act and No Child Left Behind. Don't even get me started on the continued wars and drone strikes. End of his second term, 13 years after the wars started, we are still at war and terrorism is as big or a bigger threat than ever.
whatukno
07-17-2015, 06:51 PM
While it is true that I am a very funny guy tyranny has never been a topic of humor for me.
I assume you are about 26. How do you feel about living for 50 years under an iron-fisted tyranny? That is what Obama is building. That is what you are foolishly applauding.
I'm 39, and really, the red scare is over, I know right wing media has you completely brainwashed and thinking that Obama is the next Stalin, but it's simply just not true, while it IS true that this President is FAR from perfect, and has some things that the American people can legitimately be upset over. He's far from a tyrant dictator.
Safety
07-17-2015, 06:53 PM
Keep saying that. Maybe it'll become true. Obama is very similar to the last Liberal goon. He has even continued many of the same freedom-oppressing and government-expanding anti-conservative policies as the last Liberal goon, like the Patriot Act and No Child Left Behind. Don't even get me started on the continued wars and drone strikes. End of his second term, 13 years after the wars started, we are still at war and terrorism is as big or a bigger threat than ever.
"Liberal goon". :rofl:
Seems strange so many conservatives who are 100% against Obama's ideology, didn't seem to mind the same ideology under the "liberal goon" Bush.
And no, GRC I'm not referring to you.
Keep saying that. Maybe it'll become true. Obama is very similar to the last Liberal goon. He has even continued many of the same freedom-oppressing and government-expanding anti-conservative policies as the last Liberal goon, like the Patriot Act and No Child Left Behind. Don't even get me started on the continued wars and drone strikes. End of his second term, 13 years after the wars started, we are still at war and terrorism is as big or a bigger threat than ever.
Grassy, i am SO much feeling your butt-hurt after the last several CONSERVATIVE SCOTUS decisions.
Might i help in any manner?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE8Gi3wUEAAlj1R.jpg
LOL
Man I think you missed your calling, stand up is just right for you, might I suggest you look up your local comedy club and try and book yourself on an open mic night?
MisterMister is fucking AWESOME -- but prolly not QUITE as funny Amy Schumer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDtK9DEKGpI
While it is true that I am a very funny guy tyranny has never been a topic of humor for me.
I assume you are about 26. How do you feel about living for 50 years under an iron-fisted tyranny? That is what Obama is building. That is what you are foolishly applauding.
So make me laugh .. not happened yet; thanks!
I put a few hundred dollars up for Romney. I knew he had governed.
But the thought so many people were fooled into thinking Obama was a winner makes me gasp.
Sounds like you voted for the man who let you all down.
Cool Bob .. and did you vote for McCain in 2008?
Seems like your sort of old, white angry fellow who'd prefer blowing up the planet as opposed to diplomacy.
Right? ;-)
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 07:24 PM
You forgot blood in the streets
Of course revolution will come in the fulness of time. I hope those of you who caused this will be swept away by it.
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 07:28 PM
I'm 39, and really, the red scare is over, I know right wing media has you completely brainwashed and thinking that Obama is the next Stalin, but it's simply just not true, while it IS true that this President is FAR from perfect, and has some things that the American people can legitimately be upset over. He's far from a tyrant dictator.
No. He is not far. The Constitution has been trashed. We have a lawless regime. There is very little left to defend. And you foolishly applaud your own destruction.
Cool beans.
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 07:29 PM
"Liberal goon". :rofl:
Seems strange so many conservatives who are 100% against Obama's ideology, didn't seem to mind the same ideology under the "liberal goon" Bush.
And no, GRC I'm not referring to you.
Constitutional Conservatives did not like either Bush. You have "remembered" incorrectly.
MisterVeritis
07-17-2015, 07:32 PM
So make me laugh .. not happened yet; thanks!
It would be wonderful to be there when the dim bulb finally comes on and you realize just how much you willingly gave away. But there is a chance that it will never come on for those of you, who like so many trained clapping seals, applauded every move to strip you of your freedom.
Tahuyaman
07-17-2015, 07:33 PM
Obama is not a modest man, but when it comes to assessing his or any President
Of course he isn't a modest man. He's an egomaniac. He doesn't know the definition of the word humble.
Safety
07-17-2015, 07:34 PM
Constitutional Conservatives did not like either Bush. You have "remembered" incorrectly.
Is that the name given to conservatives who suddenly remembered how to speak out against policies they don't like? Because when Bush was in office, I could have sold cricket insurance, because that's all I heard, crickets.
domer76
07-17-2015, 07:35 PM
It would be wonderful to be there when the dim bulb finally comes on and you realize just how much you willingly gave away. But there is a chance that it will never come on for those of you, who like so many trained clapping seals, applauded every move to strip you of your freedom.
Wait til he has to mop up his own blood. That'll show him!
Tahuyaman
07-17-2015, 07:37 PM
He is certainly finishing with a flourish isn't he?
Good read, thanks. I had President Obama at a B minus, but he's currently a solid B and MAY finish with an A or A-
Compared to the last goon?
Don't even go there.
He's certainly trying to fulfill the predictions of some that he will ruin the country. He's not strong enough to do that though. Fortunately, we will survive his incompetence and ideological buffoonery.
Had Mitt been elected we would all be wearing magic underwear and eating pizza from papa johns with dough boy manning.
Grassy's a linemen for the county
And he drives the main meme
Searchin' for one more electable -- than ChrisTIE!!
And he wants him more than needs him
And he wants him for long time
He yammers on the tPF
Hard to hear trough the WHIIIIINE!
But the GrassCon Whine-Man?
Is stili on the WHIIIIINE! :D
Tahuyaman
07-17-2015, 07:38 PM
He's not arrogant decadent .. he is UPPITY!! :grin:
What's the difference?
Cool Bob .. and did you vote for McCain in 2008?
Seems like your sort of old, white angry fellow who'd prefer blowing up the planet as opposed to diplomacy.
Right? ;-)
Oh now I am angry am I??????????
Too funny
I have been through this dog and pony show ever since 1960. Too many clowns that ran this country down.
whatukno
07-17-2015, 07:42 PM
No. He is not far.
Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee.
The Constitution has been trashed.
No, it really hasn't.
We have a lawless regime.
Except we don't.
There is very little left to defend. And you foolishly applaud your own destruction.
Cool beans.
America is actually a lot more free now, than it was under the last administration (the President that shall not be named!) SSM is legal in all 50 states thanks to the SCOTUS, proving the Constitution works. Pot is legal in some form or another in most states and while I'm not a user myself, this does help out a lot of people and keep stoners out of prison where they never belonged. Assault rifles are legal where they weren't before under the last President. People can no longer be denied health insurance due to a pre existing condition, (That one helps you out) Thanks Obamacare! And, the most telling way to know that you aren't living in a dictatorship, is ignorant, pathetic, incompetent, retarded, jackasses can bitch about this President till the cows come home and that's STILL not illegal.
See, in most dictatorships, usually that's the first right to go.
Oh now I am angry am I??????????
Too funny
I have been through this dog and pony show ever since 1960. Too many clowns that ran this country down.
The only "clown" i can recall was YOUR last prezzie -- Gee Flub Shrub.
Nixon was a crook but not a clown & ditto on Reagan.
YOU my friend, OWN the 2000s.
Take ownership.. it'll be therapeutic!
It would be wonderful to be there when the dim bulb finally comes on and you realize just how much you willingly gave away. But there is a chance that it will never come on for those of you, who like so many trained clapping seals, applauded every move to strip you of your freedom.
HuH? Ya babbling.
Private Pickle
07-17-2015, 07:52 PM
Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee.
No, it really hasn't.
Except we don't.
America is actually a lot more free now, than it was under the last administration (the President that shall not be named!) SSM is legal in all 50 states thanks to the SCOTUS, proving the Constitution works. Pot is legal in some form or another in most states and while I'm not a user myself, this does help out a lot of people and keep stoners out of prison where they never belonged. Assault rifles are legal where they weren't before under the last President. People can no longer be denied health insurance due to a pre existing condition, (That one helps you out) Thanks Obamacare! And, the most telling way to know that you aren't living in a dictatorship, is ignorant, pathetic, incompetent, retarded, jackasses can bitch about this President till the cows come home and that's STILL not illegal.
See, in most dictatorships, usually that's the first right to go.
The way you post does not lend itself to engagement. Huge long posts of rambling hyperbole and point by point one-liners put people off. At least it puts me off. I see a great debater in you but this is the internet. You'll be called out on responses like "No, it really hasn't" or "Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee".
You think you're credible because you're intelligent and know your stuff. While that works in a utopian world, it won't work here.
To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edwardrmu387280.html)
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/edward_r_murrow.html#zH6hUdDPqI1wXeXQ.99
- Edward Murrow
What truth is there in "No, it really hasn't." or "Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee."
You may be wondering why I'm singling you out on this. Well because Veritis {sic} is beyond reasoning with...
decedent
07-17-2015, 07:57 PM
Crime is up and jobs are down. I think. Maybe it's the other way around. Anyway, it doesn't matter... I've decided that Obama is the worst President in US history no matter how good of a job he does.
What's the difference?
As a racist, you wouldn't have the ability to discern.
whatukno
07-17-2015, 08:04 PM
The way you post does not lend itself to engagement. Huge long posts of rambling hyperbole and point by point one-liners put people off. At least it puts me off. I see a great debater in you but this is the internet. You'll be called out on responses like "No, it really hasn't" or "Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee".
You think you're credible because you're intelligent and know your stuff. While that works in a utopian world, it won't work here.
- Edward Murrow
What truth is there in "No, it really hasn't." or "Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee."
You may be wondering why I'm singling you out on this. Well because Veritis {sic} is beyond reasoning with...
Actually, my debate style in organized debates is much much different The hyperbole is replaced with referenced cold hard facts, and there are no one liners. But, forum posts aren't really organized debate. And this sort of thing is actually quite entertaining for me. Now, while I do enjoy discussing issues with people who are thoughtful, and don't engage in their own hyperbole, the true fun is sporting on the trolls and beating them at their own game.
But I agree, some posters are beyond reasoning with. It's a shame though.
Tahuyaman
07-17-2015, 08:05 PM
As a racist, you wouldn't have the ability to discern.
Thats why I'm asking you. You're the racist, you should know.
Private Pickle
07-17-2015, 08:09 PM
Actually, my debate style in organized debates is much much different The hyperbole is replaced with referenced cold hard facts, and there are no one liners. But, forum posts aren't really organized debate. And this sort of thing is actually quite entertaining for me. Now, while I do enjoy discussing issues with people who are thoughtful, and don't engage in their own hyperbole, the true fun is sporting on the trolls and beating them at their own game.
But I agree, some posters are beyond reasoning with. It's a shame though.
So I will make a deal with you. I will engage you in debate as long as you treat it as formal. I lose it with the hyperbole and one-liners and to be honest I won't take you seriously. I will, in return, send hyperbole and one-liners your way. It isn't mature but I am who I am.
I think we could have some great conversations but once the monkey shit starts being flung I return in kind.
The only "clown" i can recall was YOUR last prezzie -- Gee Flub Shrub.
Nixon was a crook but not a clown & ditto on Reagan.
YOU my friend, OWN the 2000s.
Take ownership.. it'll be therapeutic!
I suggest you don't bite the hand of the nurse that approaches you next time.
Tahuyaman
07-17-2015, 08:23 PM
I suggest you don't bite the hand of the nurse that approaches you next time.
That's not bad.
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 12:17 PM
Is that the name given to conservatives who suddenly remembered how to speak out against policies they don't like? Because when Bush was in office, I could have sold cricket insurance, because that's all I heard, crickets.
You listening to the kooks on your side.
I did not like either. I thought Bush 43 might be bearable. I was not surprised when it turned out he was a liberal.
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 12:24 PM
"It would be wonderful to be there when the dim bulb finally comes on and you realize just how much you willingly gave away. But there is a chance that it will never come on for those of you, who like so many trained clapping seals, applauded every move to strip you of your freedom."
HuH? Ya babbling.
Was my sentence too complicate for you to understand it?
1)It would be wonderful to be there when the dim bulb finally comes on
Translation: You are not very smart. I would love to be present when you realize it.
2) and you realize just how much you willingly gave away.
Translation: Does this really need translation?
3)But there is a chance that it will never come on for those of you,
Translation: you are not very smart. Nor are your friends.
4) who like so many trained clapping seals, applauded every move to strip you of your freedom.
Translation: Does this really need translation? Wait! I just realized that trans means something entirely different for the normal-challenged.
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 12:39 PM
Whatever keeps you buying and filling your depends with terror pee.
No, it really hasn't.
Except we don't.
Nothing of note here...
America is actually a lot more free now,
It isn't. We have many new regulations, hundreds, probably thousands of them that we did not have one decade ago. We are less free.
than it was under the last administration (the President that shall not be named!)
Well, let's see your list.
1) SSM is legal in all 50 states thanks to the SCOTUS, proving the Constitution works.
2) Pot is legal in some form or another in most states and while I'm not a user myself, this does help out a lot of people and keep stoners out of prison where they never belonged.
3) Assault rifles are legal where they weren't before under the last President.
4) People can no longer be denied health insurance due to a pre existing condition, (That one helps you out) Thanks Obamacare!
5) And, the most telling way to know that you aren't living in a dictatorship, is ignorant, pathetic, incompetent, retarded, jackasses can $#@! about this President till the cows come home and that's STILL not illegal.
See, in most dictatorships, usually that's the first right to go.
1) Same sex marriage has been directed by fiat from five unelected, unaccountable judges. That is not a sign of freedom. It is a sign of oligarchy by a judicial tyranny. It could have been a sign of freedom if it has been worked out in the state legislatures as it should have been. You are zero for one on freedom.
2) Pot is legal in most states. This is a misstatement. Twenty-three states have legalized pot. You are zero for two on freedom.
3) Assault rifles are legal. There is not such thing as an assault rifle. It is a term used by idiotic liberals to identify a weapon that frightens them. You are one for three on freedom.
4) Government demanded health insurance. This is the worst of the bunch. This is the linchpin of the loss of your liberty. If government can demand, using the force of law, that you, as a private citizen must buy from a company, a product that you have no say in, then you are no longer free. I suspect that you are unwilling to realize this. You are a slave to the state. You are one for four on freedom.
5) I can talk shit about the dictator. That may be the final freedom to go as it matters very little given the loss of all other important freedoms. You are one for five on freedom.
Why not just admit that you are not very good at this whole thinking for yourself thing? Perhaps one of your liberal websites can help you.
birddog
07-18-2015, 02:02 PM
Obama deserves another term, TWENTY YEARS TO LIFE hard labor prison!
Vilifier of Zombies
07-18-2015, 02:11 PM
WASHINGTON, D.C. - I’ve never written a column like this. Readers rarely believe it, but I am not on any political team. Generosity toward the high and mighty isn’t among my few virtues. But this needs to be said: Americans are lucky to have Barack Obama as president and we should wake up and appreciate it while we can.
President Obama will go down in history as an extraordinary president, probably a great one. He will have done this in era that doesn’t aggrandize leaders and presidents, but shrinks them. All presidents have had profound opposition, vicious enemies and colossal failures. A few were beloved and others deeply respected in their day, but none in the modern era and certainly not Obama.
Why? Marcus Aurelius said, “Man is puny in the face of destiny.” If the stoic king were writing about modern, democratic sovereigns, he might say, “Kings are puny in a world blind to destiny, a world seen through the sacred screens of televisions and computers that can view only the puny.”
Many presidents fared better in history than in office. But it would be a morale booster and a sign of civic maturity if more Americans appreciated what an exceptional president they have right now. It could be a long wait for the next one.
:grin: More Proof --> http://www.newsnet5.com/decodedc/mr-president-on-behalf-of-an-ungrateful-nation-thank-you
I stopped reading after two grammar errors. Who penned then published this travesty without editing it? Newsnet 5? Is that a local station? And if so -where?
whatukno
07-18-2015, 04:15 PM
Nothing of note here...
It isn't. We have many new regulations, hundreds, probably thousands of them that we did not have one decade ago. We are less free.
Well, let's see your list.
1) Same sex marriage has been directed by fiat from five unelected, unaccountable judges. That is not a sign of freedom. It is a sign of oligarchy by a judicial tyranny. It could have been a sign of freedom if it has been worked out in the state legislatures as it should have been. You are zero for one on freedom.
2) Pot is legal in most states. This is a misstatement. Twenty-three states have legalized pot. You are zero for two on freedom.
3) Assault rifles are legal. There is not such thing as an assault rifle. It is a term used by idiotic liberals to identify a weapon that frightens them. You are one for three on freedom.
4) Government demanded health insurance. This is the worst of the bunch. This is the linchpin of the loss of your liberty. If government can demand, using the force of law, that you, as a private citizen must buy from a company, a product that you have no say in, then you are no longer free. I suspect that you are unwilling to realize this. You are a slave to the state. You are one for four on freedom.
5) I can talk shit about the dictator. That may be the final freedom to go as it matters very little given the loss of all other important freedoms. You are one for five on freedom.
Why not just admit that you are not very good at this whole thinking for yourself thing? Perhaps one of your liberal websites can help you.
1) Apparently you are totally and completely against the United States Constitution, specifically article III of said Constitution. The supreme court IS the final check to the checks and balances system, and because you don't understand this, YOU my good sir are against freedom.
2) Ok I'll give you this one, but it's up for ballot in several states and will probably pass in a good chunk of those. Again, you are against freedom.
3) Assault rifles are well defined, you may deny these definitions thanks you your commanders in the NRA, but in fact they are well defined, and those rifles are in fact legal. Denying this reality means that you are against freedom.
4) If you want to get sick and die on your own go ahead, how are they going to collect your "fines" from your corpse? Get real, allowing people that have a pre existing condition to obtain health insurance that could not before is a legal win. You are against freedom.
5) Yep, talk shit about the President all you want. Go right ahead, but you aren't free from me calling you out on your bullshit. In fact it is the MOST important freedom of all. The free flow expression of thought and opinion changes nations, but you could give one shit about it. You are against freedom.
Frankly sir, you're posts are a barking dog. They serve no other purpose in life than to annoy, agitate, and distract others. They have proven that you despise the United States Constitution and all it holds dear from your first argument. The Supreme Court IS the final say in interpreting the Constitution and it's intent. Whether you agree with them or not is your OPINION, but that does not mean that they aren't right. The fact that you turned your back on the Supreme Court and Article III of the United States Constitution means that you hate freedom more than you think I ever would.
Your posts make you appear like a sick malcontent that is angry at the world for not staying exactly the same as they remember when they were a teenager. The world changes, society changes, and if you cannot accept that, you are the one with the problem, and not everyone else.
In fact sir, your posts identify you as a troll on the internet. You are angry, perhaps drunk, completely ignorant, only serve to remind the rest of us how far we have come from ignorance and hatred in this society, in fact your ideology is a dinosaur, a relic from a bygone age that doesn't even exist anymore. Your ideology and posts are obsolete, geriatric, pathetic, weak, unfounded in reality, and show someone that is just old and in the way of what is good for We The People. You are of course free to vetch and bitch and complain on how evil this President is, and that is entirely your right, but you don't have the right to be free from rebuttal from those views.
In my opinion, you need to retire from discussing politics, the world view that you wish to have no longer exists, no will it ever, Americans are more free now than they have ever been. And with what you call progressive thought, they will strive to be even more free in the future. You have every right to your ideology and I won't take that away from you, but don't think for a second that I won't express my opinion of your opinion. And if you don't like that feel free to try and look me up and we can discuss it face to face. Though I do warn you I am much less polite in person.
Fact of the matter is, your version of conservative ideology is more akin to the Taliban than it is to the United States Constitution. And you should be ashamed of that thinking. The ideology you present is that of 1950s era America and we have gone so far beyond that stage in our nations evolution. If you don't like that, the only person's problem it is, is your own. And you have to reconcile yourself with the reality of the world that you now inhabit.
Sadly you won't get this far in this post, having probably raged out long ago, and given that I posted a video of parents jingling keys in front of a baby and you responded with (I reject your re-submission of your blah blah blah) It shows me that you have no clue how to actually discuss thinks and are only here to promote your own personal agenda.
Your opinions sir, are sad, pathetic, weak, lame, moronic, and pedestrian.
hanger4
07-18-2015, 04:41 PM
Just so you know whatukno there is a difference between assault rifle and assault weapon. Thought you should know so you could keep them straight.
whatukno
07-18-2015, 05:18 PM
Just so you know @whatukno (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1722) there is a difference between assault rifle and assault weapon. Thought you should know so you could keep them straight.
Oh for fucks sake, for this instance, we can overlook a slight discrepancy in terminology. Especially when we are talking about high caliber semi automatic rifles based on military technology, with the only difference being the firing mechanism doesn't allow for burst or full auto fire, (which by the way can be circumvented without any tools using a manual technique known as "bump firing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_fire)")
hanger4
07-18-2015, 05:24 PM
oh for fucks sake, for this instance, we can overlook a slight discrepancy in terminology. Especially when we are talking about high caliber semi automatic rifles based on military technology, with the only difference being the firing mechanism doesn't allow for burst or full auto fire, (which by the way can be circumvented without any tools using a manual technique known as "bump firing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bump_fire)")
lol
Mister D
07-18-2015, 05:27 PM
Assault weapon = looks scary lol
whatukno
07-18-2015, 05:36 PM
lol
Funny huh?
Really?
With the amount of mass shootings in this country, you are laughing at the idea of bump firing?
Let's look at this as a tactic point of view.
You have a semi automatic rifle with plenty of ammo and you want to blow away a room full of the group you hate. You could either start picking them off one by one, having to aim at each moving target individually while they run, or, you could bump fire the room, perhaps get a couple of casualties that way and effectively cowing the rest to duck, then after a quick magazine reload, where now everyone in the room believes that you have a fully automatic weapon you can carefully pick off everyone in their shocked and scared state.
Tactically, bump firing isn't used to take down targets, it's used to suppress targets, just like real full auto firing.
And you laugh.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 05:38 PM
Mass shootings are extremely rare but he's not laughing at those. He's laughing at your hysteria. Just an FYI
whatukno
07-18-2015, 05:42 PM
Assault weapon = looks scary lol
Actually, and you can look it up yourself, the definition of an assault rifle is:
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.
Simple modifications to any semi automatic rifle turns it into an assault rifle as most weapons were manufactured for infantry use. In fact in most semi automatic rifles, all that is needed to turn them into a full automatic rifle is to file down a piece of metal slightly.
Oh for fucks sake, for this instance, we can overlook a slight discrepancy in terminology. Especially when we are talking about high caliber semi automatic rifles based on military technology, with the only difference being the firing mechanism doesn't allow for burst or full auto fire, (which by the way can be circumvented without any tools using a manual technique known as "bump firing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_fire)")
When I served in the Army, we were issued in Germany the M-14. To make it fully automatic, the armory sergeant or his crew had to remove a part that kept it on semi automatic, replace the part so we could be on full automatic. Also, on full automatic, the selector could be flipped to semi automatic and back and forth.
I tend to suspect later semi automatics were done the same way.
I fired a fully automatic small bore M-16 also known by the civilian name the AR-15 and though it worked fine, to me it was a fancy .22 cal rifle. I don't know why the Army in Germany did not simply issue us all the full automatic set up but they did not. Automatics waste a lot of ammo, so perhaps that is the reason.
whatukno
07-18-2015, 05:44 PM
Mass shootings are extremely rare but he's not laughing at those. He's laughing at your hysteria. Just an FYI
Extremely RARE?!? THE HOLY FUCK!
Really?
Your definition of extremely rare and EVERY SANE PERSON ON THE FUCKING GLOBE must be VASTLY different.
I would call extremely rare, once in ten years. NOT nearly every few fucking months.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 05:46 PM
Extremely RARE?!? THE HOLY $#@!!
Really?
Your definition of extremely rare and EVERY SANE PERSON ON THE $#@!ING GLOBE must be VASTLY different.
I would call extremely rare, once in ten years. NOT nearly every few $#@!ing months.
You do know mass shootings account for a tiny fraction of annual homicides in this nation of 330 million souls, right? Perhaps you don't...
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:12 PM
You do know mass shootings account for a tiny fraction of annual homicides in this nation of 330 million souls, right? Perhaps you don't...
The fact that you don't actually see the problem with either is appalling!
You seem like:
Oh you know, people get killed with guns every single second of every single day, no worries there. Mass shootings only happen every few months or so. no big deal.
This shows how little of a shit you give to the citizens of your own country. More people are killed by guns every year than died on 9/11 and we went to war over that.
Now, I know what you are about to argue, and you are wrong, I DO NOT WANT TO MOTHER FUCKING BAN ANY GOD DAMN GUN! What I am saying however is that there is a god damned problem with gun violence in this country and the solution is not to give every fucking idiot in this fucking country a god damned gun and think that is going to fucking solve gun violence.
Again so I can at least show others that you are not on the right side of this argument I do not want to ban any gun, not even assault rifles. I would not care if it were legal for you to walk around with a fucking nuclear tipped RPG. (They actually made one, it was called the Davy Crockett (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device))) As long as you weren't a criminal or fucking insane.
But you gun nuts fight every single attempt and argue against any idea of any sort of regulation or control even if it means that criminals and the insane get free access to weapons. FOR FUCKS SAKE I MENTIONED WEAPONS IN THIS DAMN THREAD AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO GO OFF ON IT!
So to gun nuts out there let me say as a public service announcement FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF! Just because I barely mention guns in a thread and am a liberal doesn't mean I want to fucking take your god damned guns away. Far as I am concerned you can shove as many guns up your ass and pull the trigger as you want.
I am so sick of you jackass motherfuckers thinking that just because there is a absolutely verifiable problem with gun violence in this country that I as a fucking liberal want to take your god damned guns away. I don't give a damn how many guns or what kind of guns you have as long as you aren't out there blowing away a Wal Mart or whatever.
So you fucking assholes who jizz all over a picture of Thomas Jefferson while you "clean your gun" need to understand that you have a fetish, I don't care about that fetish. If you need to replace your dick with a god damned gun that's your problem and business. and I am not here to interfere with that fetish.
Quit stroking your "glock" I don't want your "hot load"
We were talking about freedoms in America, and I argued that YOU have more freedoms now than ever. I was actually arguing on your damn side. But you assholes are going to try and nitpick your bullshit, and try and pigeonhole me into a position. And if you want that, here it is:
Maybe if you assholes are so pent up and so obsessed with your firearms, you need to see a psychologist. because I don't know a person alive who is THAT obsessed with their tools. A gun is a tool, just like a hammer, or a cement mixer. It's a tool, it of it's own accord cannot hurt anyone, but in the hands of the obsessed, and deranged, it's a dangerous weapon.
And maybe, if even the slightest mention of guns in a thread makes you foam at the mouth and start in on your defensive bullshit, you really need to rethink your obsession with your tools.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 06:16 PM
The fact that you don't actually see the problem with either is appalling!
You seem like:
Oh you know, people get killed with guns every single second of every single day, no worries there. Mass shootings only happen every few months or so. no big deal.
This shows how little of a $#@! you give to the citizens of your own country. More people are killed by guns every year than died on 9/11 and we went to war over that.
Now, I know what you are about to argue, and you are wrong, I DO NOT WANT TO MOTHER $#@!ING BAN ANY GOD $#@! GUN! What I am saying however is that there is a god $#@!ed problem with gun violence in this country and the solution is not to give every $#@!ing idiot in this $#@!ing country a god $#@!ed gun and think that is going to $#@!ing solve gun violence.
Again so I can at least show others that you are not on the right side of this argument I do not want to ban any gun, not even assault rifles. I would not care if it were legal for you to walk around with a $#@!ing nuclear tipped RPG. (They actually made one, it was called the Davy Crockett (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device))) As long as you weren't a criminal or $#@!ing insane.
But you gun nuts fight every single attempt and argue against any idea of any sort of regulation or control even if it means that criminals and the insane get free access to weapons. FOR $#@!S SAKE I MENTIONED WEAPONS IN THIS $#@! THREAD AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO GO OFF ON IT!
So to gun nuts out there let me say as a public service announcement $#@! YOU AND $#@! OFF! Just because I barely mention guns in a thread and am a liberal doesn't mean I want to $#@!ing take your god $#@!ed guns away. Far as I am concerned you can shove as many guns up your ass and pull the trigger as you want.
I am so sick of you jackass $#@!s thinking that just because there is a absolutely verifiable problem with gun violence in this country that I as a $#@!ing liberal want to take your god $#@!ed guns away. I don't give a $#@! how many guns or what kind of guns you have as long as you aren't out there blowing away a Wal Mart or whatever.
So you $#@!ing $#@!s who jizz all over a picture of Thomas Jefferson while you "clean your gun" need to understand that you have a fetish, I don't care about that fetish. If you need to replace your dick with a god $#@!ed gun that's your problem and business. and I am not here to interfere with that fetish.
Quit stroking your "glock" I don't want your "hot load"
We were talking about freedoms in America, and I argued that YOU have more freedoms now than ever. I was actually arguing on your $#@! side. But you $#@!s are going to try and nitpick your bull$#@!, and try and pigeonhole me into a position. And if you want that, here it is:
Maybe if you $#@!s are so pent up and so obsessed with your firearms, you need to see a psychologist. because I don't know a person alive who is THAT obsessed with their tools. A gun is a tool, just like a hammer, or a cement mixer. It's a tool, it of it's own accord cannot hurt anyone, but in the hands of the obsessed, and deranged, it's a dangerous weapon.
And maybe, if even the slightest mention of guns in a thread makes you foam at the mouth and start in on your defensive bull$#@!, you really need to rethink your obsession with your tools.
Don't see the problem with either of what? Anyway, you're getting in a twist about something that's just not much of an issue. Well, not to rational people anyway. If you;re worried about mass shootings you might as well be worried about shark attacks. Makes as much sense.
hanger4
07-18-2015, 06:19 PM
The fact that you don't actually see the problem with either is appalling!
You seem like:
Oh you know, people get killed with guns every single second of every single day, no worries there. Mass shootings only happen every few months or so. no big deal.
This shows how little of a shit you give to the citizens of your own country. More people are killed by guns every year than died on 9/11 and we went to war over that.
Now, I know what you are about to argue, and you are wrong, I DO NOT WANT TO MOTHER FUCKING BAN ANY GOD DAMN GUN! What I am saying however is that there is a god damned problem with gun violence in this country and the solution is not to give every fucking idiot in this fucking country a god damned gun and think that is going to fucking solve gun violence.
Again so I can at least show others that you are not on the right side of this argument I do not want to ban any gun, not even assault rifles. I would not care if it were legal for you to walk around with a fucking nuclear tipped RPG. (They actually made one, it was called the Davy Crockett (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device))) As long as you weren't a criminal or fucking insane.
But you gun nuts fight every single attempt and argue against any idea of any sort of regulation or control even if it means that criminals and the insane get free access to weapons. FOR FUCKS SAKE I MENTIONED WEAPONS IN THIS DAMN THREAD AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO GO OFF ON IT!
So to gun nuts out there let me say as a public service announcement FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF! Just because I barely mention guns in a thread and am a liberal doesn't mean I want to fucking take your god damned guns away. Far as I am concerned you can shove as many guns up your ass and pull the trigger as you want.
I am so sick of you jackass motherfuckers thinking that just because there is a absolutely verifiable problem with gun violence in this country that I as a fucking liberal want to take your god damned guns away. I don't give a damn how many guns or what kind of guns you have as long as you aren't out there blowing away a Wal Mart or whatever.
So you fucking assholes who jizz all over a picture of Thomas Jefferson while you "clean your gun" need to understand that you have a fetish, I don't care about that fetish. If you need to replace your dick with a god damned gun that's your problem and business. and I am not here to interfere with that fetish.
Quit stroking your "glock" I don't want your "hot load"
We were talking about freedoms in America, and I argued that YOU have more freedoms now than ever. I was actually arguing on your damn side. But you assholes are going to try and nitpick your bullshit, and try and pigeonhole me into a position. And if you want that, here it is:
Maybe if you assholes are so pent up and so obsessed with your firearms, you need to see a psychologist. because I don't know a person alive who is THAT obsessed with their tools. A gun is a tool, just like a hammer, or a cement mixer. It's a tool, it of it's own accord cannot hurt anyone, but in the hands of the obsessed, and deranged, it's a dangerous weapon.
And maybe, if even the slightest mention of guns in a thread makes you foam at the mouth and start in on your defensive bullshit, you really need to rethink your obsession with your tools.
Me thinks hysteria was an understatement.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 06:21 PM
Me thinks hysteria was an understatement.
I didn't get passed the first sentence.
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:32 PM
Don't see the problem with either of what? Anyway, you're getting in a twist about something that's just not much of an issue. Well, not to rational people anyway. If you;re worried about mass shootings you might as well be worried about shark attacks. Makes as much sense.
No, actually, there is a difference between mother fucking shark attacks and mass shootings, one we can do something about the other we have to wipe out an entire species to prevent.
Guess which fucking one is which?
Do you know why I have to get into such a god damned twist over this? Because god damned gun nuts shit their depends if someone dares mention anything about gun control.
And the fact is, shootings happen FAR FUCKING MORE GOD DAMNED OFTEN THAN SHARK ATTACKS!
I'm talking all shootings, not just mass shootings.
Not all of those shootings are because of "illegal guns" which is a damn cop-out.
All guns are legal till they get into the wrong hands, and even still, the gun is legal, but the person and the action is illegal. The gun cannot commit the crime, it's an inanimate object. It is incapable of any action without outside stimuli. (a person pulling it's damn trigger for you science ignorant fucktards)
Why am I in a twist over this? Because I know where this argument leads, and I am heading you off before you get to it.
NO I AM NOT AGAINST TAKING EVERYONE'S GUN AWAY!
Let me repeat that so that those moron minds can comprehend
NO ASSHOLE! I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GOD DAMNED GUN AWAY!
I know your ilk won't get it. I tried to explain it as simply as I can. You will still argue that I am a gun grabber and claim that I am out for your guns.
So, let me explain again: NO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUN AWAY!
It's still not going to get through.
I could make a post with just in all caps "I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUN AWAY!"
and I'll still be called a gun grabber, a communist, a Marxist, a traitor to the Constitution, Satan, etc.
Because I am dealing with people that have the mentality the size of the caliber of the gun they own.
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:33 PM
I didn't get passed the first sentence.
Of course you didn't because ignorant asshole trolls can't get past the first sentence.
Peter1469
07-18-2015, 06:34 PM
lol
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:36 PM
Me thinks hysteria was an understatement.
I am just using the same level as the gun nuts use.
AND AGAIN I AM NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR FUCKING GUNS AWAY ASSHOLES!
Mister D
07-18-2015, 06:37 PM
Of course you didn't because ignorant $#@! trolls can't get past the first sentence.
What is it with you people? I understand the emotional impact mass shootings have (no doubt played upon by an irresponsible media) but why must you insist there is some kind of epidemic of mass shootings? It's not rational.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 06:38 PM
I am just using the same level as the gun nuts use.
AND AGAIN I AM NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR $#@!ING GUNS AWAY $#@!S!
Also, why are progressives so often reduced to profanity?
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:44 PM
What is it with you people? I understand the emotional impact mass shootings have (no doubt played upon by an irresponsible media) but why must you insist there is some kind of epidemic of mass shootings? It's not rational.
There's an epidemic of god damned shootings period. Not to mention mass shootings.
Holy shit!
It's like talking to a particularly retarded wall.
Of course because you can't read past the first sentence of any post, whatever I write from there on out is completely irrelevant to troll man Mister D.
More shooting deaths happen every year than the amount of people that died on September 11, 2001, but gun nuts don't give one shit about those deaths, not to mention mass shootings. Not one shit given for the American lives lost.
But these same people bitch about four Americans who died due to terrorists in Benghazi. Hypocrites.
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 06:44 PM
1) Apparently you are totally and completely against the United States Constitution, specifically article III of said Constitution. The supreme court IS the final check to the checks and balances system, and because you don't understand this, YOU my good sir are against freedom.
Should we look at the words then?
I believe you are mistaken.
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
This tells me that there is a court called the supreme court. It sounds like it has responsibilities for that portion of the government covered by the Constitution. Do you agree?
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
For our purposes this identifies the big areas the court can respond to. So we have cases where the US is a party, state to state, state and a citizen of a different state, citizen of one state against citizen of another state. citizens where land in another state is involved, or citizens and foreign governments. Do we agree?
Disregard ambassadors etc.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attainder) of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
We can discuss this if you believe it is important to your eventual arguments.
Given that you made no actual argument would you make it now?
The supreme court usurped all powers not granted in these elements. What was on your mind?
Mister D
07-18-2015, 06:46 PM
There's an epidemic of god $#@!ed shootings period. Not to mention mass shootings.
Holy $#@!!
It's like talking to a particularly retarded wall.
Of course because you can't read past the first sentence of any post, whatever I write from there on out is completely irrelevant to troll man Mister D.
More shooting deaths happen every year than the amount of people that died on September 11, 2001, but gun nuts don't give one $#@! about those deaths, not to mention mass shootings. Not one $#@! given for the American lives lost.
But these same people $#@! about four Americans who died due to terrorists in Benghazi. Hypocrites.
Did you also know that the overwhelming majority of gun violence occurs within communities of color? Tell us how more gun laws will impact the problem?
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 06:50 PM
"1) Same sex marriage has been directed by fiat from five unelected, unaccountable judges. That is not a sign of freedom. It is a sign of oligarchy by a judicial tyranny. It could have been a sign of freedom if it has been worked out in the state legislatures as it should have been. You are zero for one on freedom."
1) Apparently you are totally and completely against the United States Constitution, specifically article III of said Constitution. The supreme court IS the final check to the checks and balances system, and because you don't understand this, YOU my good sir are against freedom.
Now in context....
Are you familiar with the concept of limited government?
This means the federal government is limited by the powers given it. They cannot do whatever they wish. So what enumerated power is at the heart of their decision on same sex marriage? Only two years or so ago the same five tyrants rightly argued that marriage is a state issue. The federal government had no role to play. Interestingly I agreed with the court. The Defense of Marriage Act was not grounded in the Constitution.
Now, suddenly they have discovered this wholly new concept of dignity. If someone believe that a federal acknowledgement will enhance their dignity then they have a Constitutional right. How does one deal with such a mushy concept?
I await your answer.
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:52 PM
Did you also know that the overwhelming majority of gun violence occurs within communities of color? Tell us how more gun laws will impact the problem?
Of course because you couldn't be bothered to fucking read my posts you look like a complete and total jackass right now.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 06:53 PM
Of course because you couldn't be bothered to $#@!ing read my posts you look like a complete and total jackass right now.
I don't know about that but you do appear mad. :afro:
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 06:53 PM
1) Apparently you are totally and completely against the United States Constitution, specifically article III of said Constitution. The supreme court IS the final check to the checks and balances system, and because you don't understand this, YOU my good sir are against freedom.
2) Ok I'll give you this one, but it's up for ballot in several states and will probably pass in a good chunk of those. Again, you are against freedom.
3) Assault rifles are well defined, you may deny these definitions thanks you your commanders in the NRA, but in fact they are well defined, and those rifles are in fact legal. Denying this reality means that you are against freedom.
4) If you want to get sick and die on your own go ahead, how are they going to collect your "fines" from your corpse? Get real, allowing people that have a pre existing condition to obtain health insurance that could not before is a legal win. You are against freedom.
5) Yep, talk $#@! about the President all you want. Go right ahead, but you aren't free from me calling you out on your bull$#@!. In fact it is the MOST important freedom of all. The free flow expression of thought and opinion changes nations, but you could give one $#@! about it. You are against freedom.
Frankly sir, you're posts are a barking dog. They serve no other purpose in life than to annoy, agitate, and distract others. They have proven that you despise the United States Constitution and all it holds dear from your first argument. The Supreme Court IS the final say in interpreting the Constitution and it's intent. Whether you agree with them or not is your OPINION, but that does not mean that they aren't right. The fact that you turned your back on the Supreme Court and Article III of the United States Constitution means that you hate freedom more than you think I ever would.
Your posts make you appear like a sick malcontent that is angry at the world for not staying exactly the same as they remember when they were a teenager. The world changes, society changes, and if you cannot accept that, you are the one with the problem, and not everyone else.
In fact sir, your posts identify you as a troll on the internet. You are angry, perhaps drunk, completely ignorant, only serve to remind the rest of us how far we have come from ignorance and hatred in this society, in fact your ideology is a dinosaur, a relic from a bygone age that doesn't even exist anymore. Your ideology and posts are obsolete, geriatric, pathetic, weak, unfounded in reality, and show someone that is just old and in the way of what is good for We The People. You are of course free to vetch and $#@! and complain on how evil this President is, and that is entirely your right, but you don't have the right to be free from rebuttal from those views.
In my opinion, you need to retire from discussing politics, the world view that you wish to have no longer exists, no will it ever, Americans are more free now than they have ever been. And with what you call progressive thought, they will strive to be even more free in the future. You have every right to your ideology and I won't take that away from you, but don't think for a second that I won't express my opinion of your opinion. And if you don't like that feel free to try and look me up and we can discuss it face to face. Though I do warn you I am much less polite in person.
Fact of the matter is, your version of conservative ideology is more akin to the Taliban than it is to the United States Constitution. And you should be ashamed of that thinking. The ideology you present is that of 1950s era America and we have gone so far beyond that stage in our nations evolution. If you don't like that, the only person's problem it is, is your own. And you have to reconcile yourself with the reality of the world that you now inhabit.
Sadly you won't get this far in this post, having probably raged out long ago, and given that I posted a video of parents jingling keys in front of a baby and you responded with (I reject your re-submission of your blah blah blah) It shows me that you have no clue how to actually discuss thinks and are only here to promote your own personal agenda.
Your opinions sir, are sad, pathetic, weak, lame, moronic, and pedestrian.
I looked through the rest of this. It was amusing but you lack substance. I may take some time to address more of your points tomorrow. Your final line applies to you, not to me.
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 06:56 PM
Actually, and you can look it up yourself, the definition of an assault rifle is:
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.
Simple modifications to any semi automatic rifle turns it into an assault rifle as most weapons were manufactured for infantry use. In fact in most semi automatic rifles, all that is needed to turn them into a full automatic rifle is to file down a piece of metal slightly.
Right. They are weapons liberals find frightening. Others call them semi-automatic weapons.
An automatic weapon fires until the magazine is empty. Semi-automatic weapons put one round down range for every trigger pull.
Some people are fools.
Ravens Fan
07-18-2015, 06:57 PM
I don't know about that but you do appear mad. :afro:
For fucks sake, he is fucking mad. Can't you see that???
:smiley_ROFLMAO:
whatukno
07-18-2015, 06:58 PM
I looked through the rest of this. It was amusing but you lack substance. I may take some time to address more of your points tomorrow. Your final line applies to you, not to me.
I'm sorry MisterVertis, but since you have shown that you are completely ignorant of how our US Government works, and thus have no real standing on a political discussion board. I have had no choice but to place you on ignore. If you wish to be removed, please demonstrate that the Constitution is actually a valid document and that the justices of the Supreme Court are not "Un-elected dictators"
Otherwise, I am sorry, but I do try not to argue with barking dogs, as there is no point.
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 07:00 PM
Funny huh?
Really?
With the amount of mass shootings in this country, you are laughing at the idea of bump firing?
Let's look at this as a tactic point of view.
You have a semi automatic rifle with plenty of ammo and you want to blow away a room full of the group you hate. You could either start picking them off one by one, having to aim at each moving target individually while they run, or, you could bump fire the room, perhaps get a couple of casualties that way and effectively cowing the rest to duck, then after a quick magazine reload, where now everyone in the room believes that you have a fully automatic weapon you can carefully pick off everyone in their shocked and scared state.
Tactically, bump firing isn't used to take down targets, it's used to suppress targets, just like real full auto firing.
And you laugh.
How many mass killings are the result of your "bump firing" of a semi-automatic weapon? Round numbers will do. All of them? Half of them? One fifth of them? None of them?
MisterVeritis
07-18-2015, 07:03 PM
I'm sorry MisterVertis, but since you have shown that you are completely ignorant of how our US Government works, and thus have no real standing on a political discussion board. I have had no choice but to place you on ignore. If you wish to be removed, please demonstrate that the Constitution is actually a valid document and that the justices of the Supreme Court are not "Un-elected dictators"
Otherwise, I am sorry, but I do try not to argue with barking dogs, as there is no point.
I accept your surrender.
Unlike you I have read the document and the debates.
And yes the Supreme court is unelected and is not accountable to the people. They were not given the authority over whatever they chose to stick their noses into. The federal government is limited in its authority. The courts are supposed to be equally limited. I thought you might be aware as you type with such feigned authority.
You are a fraud.
whatukno
07-18-2015, 07:14 PM
I don't know about that but you do appear mad. :afro:
Wanna know why? I barely mentioned guns, and out came you gun nuts, freaking the fuck out. You can't bother reading past one sentence, (probably because that is all the limited intellect you actually have) and you start in on your god damned pro gun bullshit.
And no matter how many times I say that I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING BAN GUNS!
You morons can't get past one sentence to understand it.
Mister D
07-18-2015, 10:02 PM
Wanna know why? I barely mentioned guns, and out came you gun nuts, freaking the $#@! out. You can't bother reading past one sentence, (probably because that is all the limited intellect you actually have) and you start in on your god $#@!ed pro gun bull$#@!.
And no matter how many times I say that I DON'T WANT TO $#@!ING BAN GUNS!
You morons can't get past one sentence to understand it.
This is another thing about progressives. Everyone is a gun nut. And another thing. Profanity just makes you look inarticulate.
Vilifier of Zombies
07-18-2015, 10:44 PM
This is another thing about progressives. Everyone is a gun nut.
Does that include the progressives who own guns? Hunter S. Thompson comes to mind. The Owl Farm, for all intents and purposes, was a variable gun range and bunker more than it was a farm.
And another thing. Profanity just makes you look inarticulate.
All caps maybe -but certainly not profanity. Done right, profanity can and has made some posters look more articulate than they actually are.
Have you seen the movie Whiplash yet? I would argue J.K. Simmons' character's profanity is next level articulate and quite possibly purposeful.
Peter1469
07-19-2015, 03:33 AM
Does that include the progressives who own guns? Hunter S. Thompson comes to mind. The Owl Farm, for all intents and purposes, was a variable gun range and bunker more than it was a farm.
Yes, there are enough pro-2nd Amendment types on the left, that the entire issue of more gun control in America is moot. Not going to happen.
Vilifier of Zombies
07-19-2015, 04:16 AM
Yes, there are enough pro-2nd Amendment types on the left, that the entire issue of more gun control in America is moot. Not going to happen.
In some states, there might be more -but its negligible. The Republic of California is in its own little world. Any gun control measures that would have an actual meaningful impact aren't likely to become a reality. Too many moving parts. Staving mentally unstable people residing in homes where access to firearms isn't all that difficult isn't going to happen any time soon. My stances on 'dumb fucks' and 'those who can't hit the broadside of a barn' gun control measures won't likely ever be a reality either. Ethics of gun ownership ought to supersede antiquated and often misinterpreted versions of the 2nd. If someone is so dumb they cannot realistically make sound decisions while using firearms -or they're incapable of hitting what they're aiming at -fuck 'em -I don't give two fucks about their 2nd Amendment rights. I'm not including those that can learn to hit a broadside of a barn with more practice. A county in the state of Indiana issued a CCW permit to someone who's legally blind. That's not good governance in my opinion. An inbred albino blind hillbilly that cannot learn to tie his or her own shoes and has to use velcro in place of laces -shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a firearm. In Louisiana -that blind dumb fuck is armed but has no real understanding of the consequences.
There's not enough old-school pro-gun types that it renders the entire argument of sensible gun control laws moot.
MisterVeritis
07-19-2015, 10:31 AM
This is another thing about progressives. Everyone is a gun nut. And another thing. Profanity just makes you look inarticulate.
It also makes his nonsense harder to read.
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