View Full Version : A vet’s open letter to Donald Trump
Common
07-20-2015, 11:41 AM
This is just a snippet for forum copyright compliance, the letter is long and I posted and highlighted the last paragraph and the first two paragraphs.
Oh, really, Mr. Trump? So you think Senator John McCain was never a war
hero? That he somehow doesn’t deserve that distinction after having survived
the fiery shoot-down of his jet, capture by the North Vietnamese, and five
years of torture and imprisonment? When challenged by the moderator, you
refused to apologize, even adding gratuitously that, “The country is going
to hell.”
Well excuse me, Mr. Trump, but if the country really is going to hell then
maybe it is because someone like you is taken seriously by anyone for more
than five minutes – a TV show taking on an improbable reality of its own.
The only conceivable reasons: your millions and your abrasive,
take-no-prisoners public persona, constantly reprising the myth of being
your own best success story.
Last paragraph
So before shooting your mouth off anymore, maybe you should haul your
draft-dodging butt down here pronto to check things out more closely? But
fair warning: Apologize first.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/20/ken-allard-vets-open-letter-donald-trump/#ixzz3gS049noI
Peter1469
07-20-2015, 11:43 AM
I expect that there will be more of these.
Common
07-20-2015, 11:48 AM
I expect that there will be more of these.
Lets just say vets arent liking Trump very much.
Why is it that its always non vets or draft dodgers that have the most to say
Captain Obvious
07-20-2015, 11:51 AM
So, if this were some online Twitter thing Trump would be getting into a childish online mudslinging argument with this guy.
Because that's what circus acts do.
exotix
07-20-2015, 11:52 AM
How is McCain a War Hero again ?
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/05/29/john-mccain-war-hero-or-something-less/
John McCain: War Hero or Something Less?
May 30, 2013
While it is well known that McCain was a captive of the North Vietnamese for more than five years after his plane was shot down while bombing a power plant, considerably less well known is his behavior while a prisoner of war in Hanoi which has long been the object of some speculation due to allegations of possible cooperation with his captors.
Common
07-20-2015, 11:53 AM
So, if this were some online Twitter thing Trump would be getting into a childish online mudslinging argument with this guy.
Because that's what circus acts do.
That is very interesting
Common
07-20-2015, 11:53 AM
How is McCain a War Hero again ?
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/05/29/john-mccain-war-hero-or-something-less/
John McCain: War Hero or Something Less?
May 30, 2013
While it is well known that McCain was a captive of the North Vietnamese for more than five years after his plane was shot down while bombing a power plant, considerably less well known is his behavior while a prisoner of war in Hanoi which has long been the object of some speculation due to allegations of possible cooperation with his captors.
Shutup you wouldnt know a war hero if he hit you in the ass
Private Pickle
07-20-2015, 11:53 AM
It's all publicity.
Captain Obvious
07-20-2015, 11:54 AM
That is very interesting
There was one posted somewhere where Donald was in some pissing contest with some blogger or somebody.
I almost wondered if it was maybe someone posing as Donald but I don't think that was the case.
That whole Rosie thing is no different, this guy isn't a leader, he's a petty idiot.
Captain Obvious
07-20-2015, 11:55 AM
Shutup you wouldnt know a war hero if he hit you in the ass
Eddie likes his ass slapped
exotix
07-20-2015, 11:55 AM
Shutup you wouldnt know a war hero if he hit you in the assTypical response everytime I put you in the hotseat ... you're getting old.
Common
07-20-2015, 11:56 AM
Of course it is, but he still made the disparaging remarks. Mc Cain isnt my favorite politician and his retiring is up to him and his constituency, they can always vote him out.
That aside disparaging the guys politics thats fair game, disparaging what he does fair game.
But his military service is documented and a draft dodging clown like trump has no right whatsover to demean it and especially to be lieing
exotix
07-20-2015, 11:58 AM
Of course it is, but he still made the disparaging remarks. Mc Cain isnt my favorite politician and his retiring is up to him and his constituency, they can always vote him out.
That aside disparaging the guys politics thats fair game, disparaging what he does fair game.
But his military service is documented and a draft dodging clown like trump has no right whatsover to demean it and especially to be lieing
All this makes perfect sense ... it only shows what we already knew ... rabid lunatics attacking each other disguised as a clown show.
Peter1469
07-20-2015, 12:02 PM
All this makes perfect sense ... it only shows what we already knew ... rabid lunatics attacking each other disguised as a clown show.
Like O'Malley getting booed for saying all lives matter....
exotix
07-20-2015, 12:09 PM
Like O'Malley getting booed for saying all lives matter....In all honesty it makes less sense to bash McCain when he can bash Bush & Cheney ... Bush who joined the Air National Gaurd to avoid the draft then spent the entire war dodging combat ... and of course Cheneys' draft-dodging is self-explanatory ...
And of course Rummy who maneuvered his way out of any combat ... and boatload of other conservatives who pretend their patriots by draft-dodging ..
Who served in the military ?
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Peter1469
07-20-2015, 12:10 PM
oh boy....
Common
07-20-2015, 12:15 PM
oh boy....
sigh
Common
07-20-2015, 12:25 PM
There was one posted somewhere where Donald was in some pissing contest with some blogger or somebody.
I almost wondered if it was maybe someone posing as Donald but I don't think that was the case.
That whole Rosie thing is no different, this guy isn't a leader, he's a petty idiot.
He would fare much better if he just stuck to issues. Only a total moron would make the statements he did about Mc Cain. If your going to make statements about anyone make sure its cant be substantiated that your an idiot and dont know what youre talking about and it doesnt piss off lots of people that might have voted for you otherwise, vets
Captain Obvious
07-20-2015, 12:39 PM
He would fare much better if he just stuck to issues. Only a total moron would make the statements he did about Mc Cain. If your going to make statements about anyone make sure its cant be substantiated that your an idiot and dont know what youre talking about and it doesnt piss off lots of people that might have voted for you otherwise, vets
That's Trumps schtick, he's trying to sound like a capitalist. "MaCain failed and we're honoring failure?" or something like that.
This shit sells to morons on reality TV (The Apprentice) so this is all Trump knows how to do.
Private Pickle
07-20-2015, 12:44 PM
So yeah... I really don't take anything Trump says seriously...
Common
07-20-2015, 12:46 PM
That's Trumps schtick, he's trying to sound like a capitalist. "MaCain failed and we're honoring failure?" or something like that.
This shit sells to morons on reality TV (The Apprentice) so this is all Trump knows how to do.
I agree but it doesnt sell to vets that arent morons. Vets dont expect Non Vets or dodgers like trump to take up for them but they very much rage when one of theirs service is attacked.
Ive said this 3 times last time, attacking mc cain for his politics and whats hes done as a politicians is all fair game. His service is written in stone, documented and re iterated by veterans that saw it first hand. TRUMP has no right to attack his service.
exotix
07-20-2015, 12:52 PM
So yeah... I really don't take anything Trump says seriously...He is leading the entire 2016 GOP field with a whopping 18% of conservatives kissing his ass ... LOL
Private Pickle
07-20-2015, 12:56 PM
He is leading the entire 2016 GOP field with a whopping 18% of conservatives kissing his ass ... LOL
Yeah. Like I said I really don't listen to anything Trump says. That guy had about as much chance at winning the Presidency as I do.
Common
07-20-2015, 12:58 PM
All this makes perfect sense ... it only shows what we already knew ... rabid lunatics attacking each other disguised as a clown show.
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/rainbowella42/candle/1279767132TJ3JM2.jpg
PolWatch
07-20-2015, 01:02 PM
Trump either doesn't think or he misjudged what the reactions would be. I'm inclined to go with the first option. However, it was considered acceptable for some to disparage Kerry's service....but he was a dem.
The author of the letter in the OP made a good point...it always seems to be those who avoided military service that make remarks like Trump's.
Common
07-20-2015, 01:06 PM
Trump either doesn't think or he misjudged what the reactions would be. I'm inclined to go with the first option. However, it was considered acceptable for some to disparage Kerry's service....but he was a dem.
The author of the letter in the OP made a good point...it always seems to be those who avoided military service that make remarks like Trump's.
NO you got it wrong, Mc Cains service is documented. Mc Cains was re iterated by the men there.
Kerrrys was denounced by the Men that were there. His purple hearts were questionable and a retired general said he shouldnt have been issued them in the first place.
Kerry made his own bed and he did that before he was a democrat Politician. No one attacked kerry because he was a democrat. It was because he was a lieing piece of garbage who used it to be come a democrat politician. Many nam vets view kerry in the same exact context as Jane Fonda.
PolWatch
07-20-2015, 01:31 PM
I protested against the Vietnam War....and yet I had a husband, a brother & many friends in VN. I respect anyone who served their country even if I didn't agree with our nation's policy that put them there. I don't respect anyone who wants to avoid service and later make remarks about those who served.
Regarding Kerry, I should not have mentioned him in this thread & I apologize.
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