2nd Planned Parenthood video abortion doctor jokes "I want a Lamborgini"

[Mac-7]

While haggling over the price of aborted baby body parts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/21/second-undercover-video-features-planned-parenthood-abortion-doctor-haggling-over-the-price-of-aborted-fetuses-group-claims/

[exotix]

Another Faux / O'Keefe hoax .... /thread


What the Planned Parenthood hoax really proves: Right-wing extremists have no qualms about destroying peoples’ lives

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_really_proves_rig ht_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying _peoples_lives/


A still from the video "Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts"


http://media.salon.com/2015/07/planned_parenthood_video.jpg

[silvereyes]

joke
jōk/
noun
1.
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
"she was in a mood to tell jokes"
synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism

[whatukno]

Another Faux / O'Keefe hoax .... /thread


What the Planned Parenthood hoax really proves: Right-wing extremists have no qualms about destroying peoples’ lives

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_really_proves_rig ht_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying _peoples_lives/


A still from the video "Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts"


http://media.salon.com/2015/07/planned_parenthood_video.jpg


Would you expect anything less from radical right wing conservative terrorists?

[Peter1469]

lol

[Mac-7]

joke
jōk/
noun
1.
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
"she was in a mood to tell jokes"
synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism

I guess in lib la la land aborted children's body parts is a common subject for humor.

Yuk.

The woman is stuffing her face with food while shes discussing infanticide.

[Tahuyaman]

Actually, the left is defending this calling it an act of great generosity.

[Chloe]

I guess in lib la la land aborted children's body parts is a common subject for humor.

Yuk.

The woman is stuffing her face with food while shes discussing infanticide.

If you had no control and if an abortion were to happen for whatever reason would you be ok with the organs and tissue being donated to science to possibly go towards future medical advancements?

[exotix]

It just occurred to me ... this guy has done more for the *state of the GOP* than Trump .... http://s8.tinypic.com/e1evpc_th.jpg


http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/James-OKeefe.png

[Peter1469]

lol

[Mac-7]

If you had no control and if an abortion were to happen for whatever reason would you be ok with the organs and tissue being donated to science to possibly go towards future medical advancements?

How would a woman have no control?

No control over wanting an abortion?

i understand individuals donating THEIR OWN organs to medicine after they die.

But donating the organs of a child you just beat to death for crying too much?

Thats not my idea of performing a public service.

[Tahuyaman]

If you had no control and if an abortion were to happen for whatever reason would you be ok with the organs and tissue being donated to science to possibly go towards future medical advancements?

Can you point to one single medical breakthrough directly attributable to fetal tissue research?

I'll bet I could find thousands attributed to animal research.

[Chloe]

How would a woman have no control?

No control over wanting an abortion?

i understand individuals donating THEIR OWN organs to medicine after they die.

But donating the organs of a child you just beat to death for crying too much?

Thats not my idea of performing a public service.

You are purposefully misreading the question. When I say "you" I mean you. You can't control what a woman chooses to do when it comes to an abortion, so that fact being said, if she had an abortion would YOU be ok with the organs and tissue going to science? It's a simple question

[Chloe]

Can you point to one single medical breakthrough directly attributable to fetal tissue research?

I'll bet I could find thousands attributed to animal research.

So is that a no from you?

[Mac-7]

You are purposefully misreading the question. When I say "you" I mean you. You can't control what a woman chooses to do when it comes to an abortion, so that fact being said, if she had an abortion would YOU be ok with the organs and tissue going to science? It's a simple question

As I said, I understand someone donating their own organs.

But donating the organs of a baby I have just killed for the sake of my own convienence?

I cannot imagine myself doing such a barbaric thing.

[Chris]

If you had no control and if an abortion were to happen for whatever reason would you be ok with the organs and tissue being donated to science to possibly go towards future medical advancements?

As before, questions of the morality of abortion aside, just so long as the donor mother consents, and this second video makes it clear, consent forms are signed, and there's nothing profited from it, which is not so clear, then I see no problem.

But you're being too logical in abstracting donation from abortion and as you have seen not many, on both sides, can do that.

[Chloe]

As I said, I understand someone donating their own organs.

But donating the organs of a baby I have just killed for the sake of my own convienence?

I cannot imagine myself doing such a barbaric thing.

So whether it's your own abortion or someone else's you'd prefer it just disposed of?

[Tahuyaman]

So is that a no from you?


Yes, that is a no. There has not been one medical breakthrough as a result of any fetal tissue research.

I do not believe in human sacrifice.

Ill give you one thing. Unlike others, you are willing to state your view.

[Tahuyaman]

So whether it's your own abortion or someone else's you'd prefer it just disposed of?


I don't want to see abortion be used to support and expand the industry of organ harvesting.

[Chloe]

Yes, that is a no. There has not been one medical breakthrough as a result of any fetal tissue research.

I do not believe in human sacrifice.

Ill give you one thing. Unlike others, you are willing to state your view.

I have no reason not to say exactly what I believe on pretty much any topic if asked. I'm not ashamed of any of my beliefs.

I read somewhere but can't remember where at the moment that the early poliovirus vaccination as well as things like chicken pox and others came due to fetal tissue

[Mac-7]

So whether it's your own abortion or someone else's you'd prefer it just disposed of?

I can't engage in an impossible hypothetical.

if you murdered your boyfriend for the insurance money would you confess to get a lesser sentence or roll the dice for a Not Guilty verdict?

[del]

Yes, that is a no. There has not been one medical breakthrough as a result of any fetal tissue research.

I do not believe in human sacrifice.

Ill give you one thing. Unlike others, you are willing to state your view.



For the first time, doctors have repaired brain damage in patients by implanting brain tissue from aborted fetuses.
Experts say the findings offer the first unequivocal evidence that implanted fetal cells can do the work of brain cells that have died -- making crucial brain chemicals. Though the technique has been tested in only a few patients, the experts said it could lead to treatments for degenerative brain diseases, including Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Huntington's diseases.

Until now, fetal cell implants have had modest effects at best, and some experts questioned whether it was worth continuing the research. But the results reported today in two patients treated in Sweden and others treated in the United States, suggest that the method can fulfill the almost excessive promise it long has held.

The findings, reported in today's issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, involve patients with Parkinson's disease or a similar condition.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/26/us/success-reported-using-fetal-tissue-to-repair-a-brain.html

oops

[Peter1469]

The polio virus was developed with monkey kidneys.

[Cigar]

While haggling over the price of aborted baby body parts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/21/second-undercover-video-features-planned-parenthood-abortion-doctor-haggling-over-the-price-of-aborted-fetuses-group-claims/

I've never once been in a Planned Parenthood Office ... have you?

[Mac-7]

I've never once been in a Planned Parenthood Office ... have you?

Since I neither buy or sell dead babies the answer is no.

[Tahuyaman]

I have no reason not to say exactly what I believe on pretty much any topic if asked. I'm not ashamed of any of my beliefs.

I read somewhere but can't remember where at the moment that the early poliovirus vaccination as well as things like chicken pox and others came due to fetal tissue


Like I said, not one single medical breakthrough has been attributable to fetal tissue research. In in spite of the millions of baby's sacrificed.

[Mac-7]

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/26/us/success-reported-using-fetal-tissue-to-repair-a-brain.html

oops

So now liberals are like vampires that must kill humans to survive?

[Chris]

War, what is it good for...

[Tahuyaman]

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/26/us/success-reported-using-fetal-tissue-to-repair-a-brain.html

oops

again, there has not been one single medical breakthrough attributed solely to fetal tissue research.

[Cigar]

Since I neither buy or sell dead babies the answer is no.

Fetal tissue implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_tissue_implant)Fetal tissue implant or fetal cell therapy is an experimental medical therapy where researchers implant tissue from a fetus to a patient for treatment of disease. In the case of Parkinson's disease, it is hoped that the fetal tissue would produce chemicals, specifically dopamine, which is lacking in the diseased brain.

[Tahuyaman]

Speculating and presenting the false notion that a breakthrough is near is how they justify the fraud.

They need to keep the fraud going because we know the breakthrough is just around the corner. Even though there is nothing evident to support the notion.

The human sacrifice must continue.

[Mac-7]

Fetal tissue implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_tissue_implant)

Fetal tissue implant or fetal cell therapy is an experimental medical therapy where researchers implant tissue from a fetus to a patient for treatment of disease. In the case of Parkinson's disease, it is hoped that the fetal tissue would produce chemicals, specifically dopamine, which is lacking in the diseased brain.

Liberals are like ghouls and vampires feeding off dead babies that they themselves kill to ensure a steady supply.

[Chris]

Fetal tissue implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_tissue_implant)Fetal tissue implant or fetal cell therapy is an experimental medical therapy where researchers implant tissue from a fetus to a patient for treatment of disease. In the case of Parkinson's disease, it is hoped that the fetal tissue would produce chemicals, specifically dopamine, which is lacking in the diseased brain.

Just a slight change of emphasis. There is promise. And it might be old technology as I reported in another thread.

[Tahuyaman]

I'm amazed by the means people will use to justify human sacrifice.

[del]

again, there has not been one single medical breakthrough attributed solely to fetal tissue research.

oh, look, tallulah is lying again

shocker

[del]

For the first time, doctors have repaired brain damage in patients by implanting brain tissue from aborted fetuses.
Experts say the findings offer the first unequivocal evidence that implanted fetal cells can do the work of brain cells that have died -- making crucial brain chemicals.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/26/us/success-reported-using-fetal-tissue-to-repair-a-brain.html

nothing to see here folks

[Tahuyaman]

There is no breakthrough involving fetal tissue which hasn't been already discovered through other means. Period.

[Tahuyaman]

Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians (http://www.acpeds.org/) (ACPEDS), actually goes one step further.

“Let’s be clear: selling organs of aborted babies for fetal tissue research is unnecessary and prolongs human suffering,” she says “Fetal tissue research, like embryonic stem cell research, has failed to produce a single successful treatment for human disease, and both have been associated with significant side-effects including overgrowth of cells and the need for immunosuppressive chemotherapy.”

Cretella further explains:
Adult stem cell research, in contrast, has yielded treatments for 73 different diseases including several forms of cancer, diabetes, Parkinson’s, cardiac disease, autoimmune illnesses and more. Adult stem cells do not overgrow or require immunosuppression, and most importantly, they do not require the killing of innocent human life.

[zelmo1234]

Fetal tissue implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_tissue_implant)

Fetal tissue implant or fetal cell therapy is an experimental medical therapy where researchers implant tissue from a fetus to a patient for treatment of disease. In the case of Parkinson's disease, it is hoped that the fetal tissue would produce chemicals, specifically dopamine, which is lacking in the diseased brain.

Well just put that hope in one hand and Shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

[zelmo1234]

Is it really hard to believe that the atrosities involved in the Creation of the Great Socialist empires of the USSR, China and Germany saw the mass murder of millions of people?

Just look at what the left is defending. the systematic ripping into pieces of an unborn child, and The monster is laughing about how they do it over lunch, while talking about a system of profit In selling the parts of the murdered child.

Is it really that far of a leap to imagine them sitting around the table discussion the extermination of their political enemies?

If you can sit back and defend this behavior of the systematic ripping apart of an unborn child? Well I just hope that their is a very special corner of Hell for you,

I can't believe anyone can justify this

[Chris]

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/26/us/success-reported-using-fetal-tissue-to-repair-a-brain.html

nothing to see here folks


Especially not the rest of the article:


...Though the technique has been tested in only a few patients, the experts said it could lead to treatments for degenerative brain diseases, including Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Huntington's diseases....

But the results reported today in two patients treated in Sweden and others treated in the United States, suggest that the method can fulfill the almost excessive promise it long has held.

...They reported small but definite effects. Patients did better in tests like touching a thumb and forefinger together and tapping their feet. They were less likely to freeze, unable to move, and had smoother movements in general.

...The American results are promising, experts said, but they were even more heartened by the Swedish results.

...But Dr. Widner cautioned that much work remains to be done before fetal cell implants move beyond experiment and become therapy. For example, he said, "we need to boost the survival rate of transplanted tissue."....

You get the picture. Science, uncertain, tentative, probabilistic.

[del]

Especially not the rest of the article:



You get the picture. Science, uncertain, tentative, probabilistic.

they've probably done some work in the 23 years since that was published.

of course, if there's no tissue, there are no advances.

[del]

A nine-minute excerpt the center posted online shows Nucatola saying her organization charges $30 to $100 for such procedures. But in the full version lasting more than two hours, she repeatedly says those prices only cover the procedures' costs, are not for profit and are only performed with the patient's consent.


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150720/us-congress-planned-parenthood-39ccc7aa4c.html

[Tahuyaman]

Especially not the rest of the article:

You get the picture. Science, uncertain, tentative, probabilistic.

Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians (http://www.acpeds.org/) (ACPEDS)

“Let’s be clear: selling organs of aborted babies for fetal tissue research is unnecessary and prolongs human suffering,” she says “Fetal tissue research, like embryonic stem cell research, has failed to produce a single successful treatment for human disease, and both have been associated with significant side-effects including overgrowth of cells and the need for immunosuppressive chemotherapy.”

Cretella further explains:
Adult stem cell research, in contrast, has yielded treatments for 73 different diseases including several forms of cancer, diabetes, Parkinson’s, cardiac disease, autoimmune illnesses and more. Adult stem cells do not overgrow or require immunosuppression, and most importantly, they do not require the killing of innocent human life.

[Ransom]

Some Observers continue to define themselves.

[exotix]

Some Observers continue to define themselves.


http://m.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Snopes-Logo-Medium.jpg



It’s unclear why the video was held for over a year before it was released, and it has some curious aspects to it.

http://m.snopes.com/pp-baby-parts-sale/

For starters, it opens with a news report and footage of Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt condemning “inappropriate behavior,” presented in a manner that made Feldt’s statement seem like she was commenting on the current issue even though the quote was actually more than a decade old

[Bo-4]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150720/us-congress-planned-parenthood-39ccc7aa4c.html[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

oOoOoPs

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fv4kp4ZnSuE/mqdefault.jpg

[Chris]

they've probably done some work in the 23 years since that was published.

of course, if there's no tissue, there are no advances.


Probably? You don't know if there have been any advances but call people liars about it as if you did know?


if there's no tissue

Also from the article you posted: "To obtain enough tissue, he said, multiple abortions must be scheduled for within hours of the five-hour fetal implant operation." Schehduling abortions?

[Chris]

http://m.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Snopes-Logo-Medium.jpg



It’s unclear why the video was held for over a year before it was released, and it has some curious aspects to it.

http://m.snopes.com/pp-baby-parts-sale/

For starters, it opens with a news report and footage of Planned Parenthood president Gloria Feldt condemning “inappropriate behavior,” presented in a manner that made Feldt’s statement seem like she was commenting on the current issue even though the quote was actually more than a decade old





And snopes' conclusion: Undetermined.

[exotix]

And snopes' conclusion: Undetermined.Correct ... now, what is it that Snopes has determined what it is that's undetermined ?

[Chris]

Correct ... now, what is it that Snopes has determined what it is that's undetermined ?

You don't know?

[southwest88]

While haggling over the price of aborted baby body parts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/21/second-undercover-video-features-planned-parenthood-abortion-doctor-haggling-over-the-price-of-aborted-fetuses-group-claims/

No.

[southwest88]

I guess in lib la la land aborted children's body parts is a common subject for humor.

Yuk.

The woman is stuffing her face with food while shes discussing infanticide.

No to the first. No to infanticide.

In general, surgeons & OR nurses & techs don't romanticize the patients they work with. For one, it's hard to do the work if you're reacting emotionally to the procedures @ hand - which can be messy & bloody & gory & all that stuff.

Just as parents of sick babies can turn from cleaning up & changing the messiest of diapers without turning a hair, OR professionals can likely eat & drink & yet discuss procedures & situations that would likely make civilians faint dead away. Don't take it personally - or watch the movie MASH, or any documentary on organ transplants, invasive thoracic surgery, coronary bypasses, etc.

[southwest88]

Like I said, not one single medical breakthrough has been attributable to fetal tissue research. In in spite of the millions of baby's sacrificed.

There's a turn of phrase. Have there been millions of abortions? In the US? Over what time period?

It's not babies that are being aborted in any event - @ least, not since Roe v. Wade.

& why sacrificed? In what sense are fetuses being sacrificed? Is this just @ random, or are you trying to say something thereby?

[Tahuyaman]

A baby is still a baby no matter how modern politicos try to redefine them.

[Tahuyaman]

There's a turn of phrase. Have there been millions of abortions? In the US? Over what time period?


About 55 million since the roe vs wade decision.

[Captain Obvious]

Bet that Lamborgini gets 50 miles to the scrape

[Tahuyaman]

& why sacrificed? In what sense are fetuses being sacrificed? Is this just @ random, or are you trying to say something thereby?

Because liberalism is a religion which maintains human sacrifice, abortion, as its most blessed sacrament.

[exotix]

A baby is still a baby no matter how modern politicos try to redefine them.How'bout this ... according to those who subscribe to Personhood this votes and pays taxes ..


Zygote

http://liveactionnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Zygote-image-300x300.jpg

[southwest88]

Dr. Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians (http://www.acpeds.org/) (ACPEDS), actually goes one step further.

...


I knew that name rang a bell. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

"American College of Pediatricians

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#mw-head), search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#p-search)
This article is about the socially conservative advocacy group. For the major professional association of pediatricians, see American Academy of Pediatrics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Pediatrics).


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/American_College_of_Pediatricians_(emblem).jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:American_College_of_Pediatricians_(emblem).jp g)


Founded
2002


Founders
Gerry Boccarossa and Joseph Zanga


Focus
Formed in opposition to the American Academy of Pediatrics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Pediatrics)


Location


Gainesville, Florida




Slogan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan)
"The Best For Children"


Website
www.acpeds.org (http://www.acpeds.org/)



"The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism_in_the_United_States) association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Pediatrics) (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Pinto-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Kranish-2) The group's membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Pinto-1)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-brief-3) (In contrast, the AAP has more than 60,000 members.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-AAPMembership-4)) ACPeds describes itself as "a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of children... committed to fulfilling its mission by producing sound policy, based upon the best available research, to assist parents and to influence society in the endeavor of childrearing."[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-5)

"Zanga has described ACPeds as a group "with Judeo-Christian, traditional values that is open to pediatric medical professionals of all religions who hold true to the group's core beliefs: that life begins at conception; and that the traditional family unit, headed by a different-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children."[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-catexch-6) The organization's view on parenting is at odds with the position of the American Academy of Pediatrics and other medical and child-welfare authorities, which hold that sexual orientation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation) has no correlation with the ability to be a good parent and to raise healthy and well-adjusted children.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-brief-3)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-aap-position-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-8) A number of prominent researchers have complained that ACPeds has mischaracterized or misused their work to advance its agenda.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Pinto-1)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-collins-statement-9)

"The Southern Poverty Law Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) describes the ACP as an active anti-LGBT hate group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group) according to the "Hate Map" (Florida) on their website.

...


"Reception[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_College_of_Pediatricians&action=edit&section=2)]

"A number of prominent researchers have complained that ACPeds mischaracterized or misused their work to advance its agenda.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Pinto-1)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-collins-statement-9) Gary Remafedi, a pediatrician at the University of Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Minnesota), found his research being cited by ACPeds to argue that schools should deny support to gay teenagers. Remafedi complained that ACPeds had fundamentally mischaracterized his work, saying: "It's obvious that they didn't even read my research. I mean, they spelled my name wrong every time they cited it." The organization refused to correct or retract its assertions, leading Remafedi to state that ACPeds had "deliberately distorted my research for malicious purposes."[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Pinto-1) Responding to claims by ACPeds that same-sex attraction could be "cured", Francis Collins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins), a geneticist and director of the U.S. National Institutes of Health (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health), denounced ACPeds' use of his work, noting it was "disturbing" to see ACPeds use his scientific work in a "misleading and incorrect" way by taking work from one of his books out of context to "support an ideology that can cause unnecessary anguish and encouraged prejudice" against schoolchildren.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-collins-statement-9) Warren Throckmorton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Throckmorton), a therapist who specializes in sexual orientation issues, similarly complained that his research had been misused, saying of ACPeds: "They say they're impartial and not motivated by political or religious concerns, but if you look at who they're affiliated with and how they're using the research, that's just obviously not true."[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-Pinto-1)



"Frank Rich, writing in the New York Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times), described ACPeds as a "political organization peddling homophobic junk-science."[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-nyt-rich-12) In an amicus brief (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_brief), the National Association of Social Workers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Social_Workers) described ACPeds as a "small and marginal group" which was "out of step with the research-based position of the AAP and other medical and child welfare authorities."[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-brief-3) PFLAG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFLAG) identifies the American College of Pediatricians as an anti-equality organization, describing the group as a "small splinter group of medical professionals who do not support the mainstream view of the American Academy of Pediatricians (AAP) that homosexuality is a normal aspect of human diversity."[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians#cite_note-13)"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

& of course ACPeds is against abortion & sex education - abstinence only.

& I'll bet the good doctor didn't bother to mention that this club is so small that they could hold their annual meeting in the food court of a mini-mall, hm? Of course, size doesn't matter so much as the content of their beliefs. But basically, their whole purpose is to counterweigh their parent organization (& also the professional organization of social workers, see the URL, & likely other professional organizations that work in school settings).

So - How good is an endorsement from this group? Not much - once you understand who they are & what they - basically the rump of the AAP - most likely the right rump, from the evidence. A handsome shape, to be sure. But useless without the majority of the body.

& they apparently lie, mischaracterize professional literature & research, & publish it to the World. A very nasty habit, & fatal for any legitimate organization, in the long run. But of course, the Rapture is coming soon, & the long run is some liberal Socialist Commie trick, no doubt. & the ends justify the means - pretty much the mantra for James O'Keefe & Center for Medical Progress.

[Perianne]

How'bout this ... according to those who subscribe to Personhood this votes and pays taxes ..


Zygote

http://liveactionnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Zygote-image-300x300.jpg

We were all a zygote at one time.

[Captain Obvious]

We were all a zygote at one time.

Some haven't developed much since, actually.

[exotix]

We were all a zygote at one time.Yes but this is where it gets psychological ... does a zygote know it's a zygote ?

[southwest88]

A baby is still a baby no matter how modern politicos try to redefine them.

Sure, babies are babies. That's not the issue. The Supreme Court ruled that woman has a right to an abortion of the fetus, in the first trimester.

It's not modern politicos @ all who so ruled, it was the Supreme Court.

[Captain Obvious]

Yes but this is where it gets psychological ... does a zygote know it's a zygote ?

Does a partisan hack realize he's a partisan hack?

[Chris]

Does a partisan hack realize he's a partisan hack?

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. But does the duck know it?

[Captain Obvious]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. But does the duck know it?

You need to say that in Ransomese - "f'ing duck"

[southwest88]

About 55 million since the roe vs wade decision.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States

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"The annual number of legal induced abortions in the United States doubled between 1973 and 1979, and peaked in 1990. There was a slow but steady decline through the 1990s. Overall, the number of annual abortions decreased by 6% between 2000 and 2009, with temporary spikes in 2002 and 2006.[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-53)

"According to the Guttmacher Institute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttmacher_Institute), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States.[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-54)

"By 2011, abortion rate in the United States dropped to its lowest point since the Supreme Court legalized the procedure. According to a study performed by Guttmacher Institute, long-acting contraceptive methods were having a significant impact in reducing unwanted pregnancies. There were fewer than 17 abortions for every 1,000 women of child-bearing age. That was a 13 percent decrease from 2008's numbers and slightly higher than the rate in 1973, when the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade) decision legalized abortion. The study indicated a long-term decline in the abortion rate. The rate has dropped significantly from its all-time high in 1981, when there were roughly 30 abortions for every 1,000 women of reproductive age. The overall number of abortions also fell 13 percent from 2008 to nearly 1.1 million in 2011." In 2013, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention) also reported a decline in abortion rates.[55][56][57][58]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

So if the number of abortions continues to decline - Why are CMP & all the other anti-abortion groups so vehement in their denunciations of the procedure? They're not willing to simply wait it out? @ current trends, abortion as birth control will effectively disappear by the 2050s.

[southwest88]

Because liberalism is a religion which maintains human sacrifice, abortion, as its most blessed sacrament.

No, No, & No.

[Chris]

Yes but this is where it gets psychological ... does a zygote know it's a zygote ?

"Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. " http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/

What do you do with people with disorders affecting self awareness?

Why draw arbitrary borders?

Where's your egalitarianism? Weren't we all created equal?

[Tahuyaman]

The word conservative is always udpsed as a disqualified to the left wing hacks. If they dislike something someone says, they label it conservative.

[Tahuyaman]

Sure, babies are babies. That's not the issue. The Supreme Court ruled that woman has a right to an abortion of the fetus, in the first trimester.

It's not modern politicos @ all who so ruled, it was the Supreme Court.

Politically motivated people make all kinds of decisions. Do you support every decision they make?

[Tahuyaman]

"According to the Guttmacher Institute (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttmacher_Institute), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States.[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-54)



that's only since the roe vs wade decision.

[Tahuyaman]

Originally Posted by Tahuyaman

Because liberalism is a religion which maintains human sacrifice, abortion, as its most blessed sacrament.


No, No, & No.

Im 100% correct.

[southwest88]

Originally Posted by southwest88 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1188321#post1188321) Sure, babies are babies. That's not the issue. The Supreme Court ruled that woman has a right to an abortion of the fetus, in the first trimester.

It's not modern politicos @ all who so ruled, it was the Supreme Court.


Politically motivated people make all kinds of decisions. Do you support every decision they make?

You brought up the SC, they're your topic to deal with. (& do you really think it was just politics that brought them to decide Roe v. Wade as they did?)

[southwest88]

that's only since the roe vs wade decision.

Yah, that's what we were talking about.

[Tahuyaman]

Yah, that's what we were talking about.


No one knows what you are talking about because you are all over the map. I generally disregard the things you post.

[Tahuyaman]

You brought up the SC, they're your topic to deal with. (& do you really think it was just politics that brought them to decide Roe v. Wade as they did?)


You brought up the Supreme Court. I just commented on you rambling rant. And yes, the SCOTUS is influenced heavily by politics. It would be idiotic to not recognize this.

[southwest88]

Originally Posted by Tahuyaman

Because liberalism is a religion which maintains human sacrifice, abortion, as its most blessed sacrament.




Im 100% correct.

Nah, you're way off script here. How is Liberalism a religion?

How is abortion human sacrifice?

How does Liberalism have any kind of sacrament @ all?

If Liberalism = Godless hedonism, etc. - then it can't be a religion. Either you don't understand the categories we're discussing, or you're just repeating something you've heard or read elsewhere. The three bolded elements above all have in common some element of transcendence. If you maintain that Liberalism has no transcendent values or goods or whatever you want to call them - then it stands to reason that Liberalism isn't a religion.

Either that, or you've invented a wholly terrestrial kind of religion - but I don't think that will wash as a definition. TMK, all religions - however bizarre - have some transcendent component. What you're postulating here doesn't have one, & so isn't a religion @ all.

[southwest88]

You brought up the Supreme Court. I just commented on you rambling rant. And yes, the SCOTUS is influenced heavily by politics. It would be idiotic to not recognize this.

You said in #55 above:
A baby is still a baby no matter how modern politicos try to redefine them.

I assumed you were playing coy - mere politicos don't have the power to redefine language in the US system. That's reserved to the SC - or Congress. But Congress doesn't usually go in for that kind of stuff, so it's usually the SC.

My bad, I was being polite. I'll take the safeties off then, hm?

[Tahuyaman]

You ramble and prattle way too much.

[southwest88]

You ramble and prattle way too much.

I operate a machine called language. It creaks and groans, but is mine own.

Making you sweat, eh? Here's a hint: Turn on your spellchecker. Makes it easier to guess what you're trying to get at, if the individual words are properly spelled out.

[decedent]

Another Faux / O'Keefe hoax .... /thread


What the Planned Parenthood hoax really proves: Right-wing extremists have no qualms about destroying peoples’ livesIn order to save some lives, you gotta destroy some.

We don't need proof when we know what's right in our hearts, Planned Parenthood will never sell another baby again.

What if one of those babies was Jesus? He would never have came to earth to save America.

[exotix]

In order to save some lives, you gotta destroy some.

We don't need proof when we know what's right in our hearts, Planned Parenthood will never sell another baby again.

What if one of those babies was Jesus? He would never have came to earth to save America.
Some also become Harris & Klebold, Cho, Loughner, Holmes, Lanza, Roof and Bush.

[decedent]

Some also become Harris & Klebold, Cho, Loughner, Holmes, Lanza, Roof and Bush.

Those people are hardly real Americans. A Patriot would never dream of harming other citizens.

[Tahuyaman]

I operate a machine called language. It creaks and groans, but is mine own.

Making you sweat, eh? Here's a hint: Turn on your spellchecker. Makes it easier to guess what you're trying to get at, if the individual words are properly spelled out.

no, you contort and pervert a machine called language, you also insult a concept called rational thought.

You aren't nearly as intelligent as you seem to think you are.

[Tahuyaman]

In order to save some lives, you gotta destroy some.

innocent babies do not need to be killed to save others.

[southwest88]

no, you contort and pervert a machine called language, you also insult a concept called rational thought.

You aren't nearly as intelligent as you seem to think you are.

No worries, I quite enjoy our exchanges. I think I'll settle in here for a good long while.