Barack Obama May Be Having The Best Year Of Any Recent President

[Cigar]

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-15-obama-press-conference-podium-chandelier-reuters-640-668x501.jpg

In the middle of July 2007, George W. Bush’s Gallup approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx) was 31 percent, with 63 percent disapproving. As of mid-July 2015, President Barack Obama’s approval and disapproval in the same poll are both 47 percent.


I did the math for you, Tea Partiers: Obama’s margin is about 32 percent better.


What’s even more remarkable is that a recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll (https://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_marginals.pdf) showed that the president, after more than six bruising years in office, is more popular than any candidate for president. His approval and disapproval in that poll is 44 percent, and the only candidates whose approval is slightly higher than his disapproval — Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Bernie Sanders — are still completely unknown to 1 out of 5 Americans.


Approval ratings don’t signify success, of course.


But what they do show is that the Republican perception of Obama as a failure somewhere on the spectrum between George W. Bush and the Hindenburg towing the Titanic is unique to them. And despite their best efforts to destroy his presidency, it’s thriving because the very things they see as failures, much of the public perceives as successes.


In an era of remarkable “negative partisanship (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/negative-partisanship-has-transformed-politics.html),” the current occupant of the White House is seeing hints of Reagan-like rise in his approval rating, while W. saw a Nixon-like crumble in his for a pretty simple reason: Obama has seen a long string of policy successes that may be unrivaled by any recent president.


“Obama may be singular as a president, not only because of his striking background,” Kenneth Adelman, Ronald Reagan’s arms control negotiator with the Soviets, told Politico Magazine. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/barack-obamas-long-game-120259.html?ml=m_b5_1#.VauqsuhVhBc) “It may turn out that unlike virtually any other president, his second term is actually better than his first.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-reasons-barack-obama-may-be-having-the-best-year-of-any-recent-president/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=MM_frequency_six&utm_campaign=Morning%20Memo%20-%202015-07-20&utm_content=Final

[Common]

He sucks and all the dirty deals hes pulled under the sheets will come out after hes gone.

He has turned me totally against him. Hes a snake

[Cigar]

Legendary Number 44

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2770/4504044818_36b30690ec_b.jpg

[Ethereal]

Most Americans probably can't name more than one policy initiative that Obama is responsible for, and the only reason they can name one is because he and the Democrats exploited an anomalous window in the election cycle to ram an unpopular piece of healthcare legislation down the country's throat.

[Captain Obvious]

Most Americans probably can't name more than one policy initiative that Obama is responsible for, and the only reason they can name one is because he and the Democrats exploited an anomalous window in the election cycle to ram an unpopular piece of healthcare legislation down the country's throat.

Guess you don't want a Back to Black t-shirt, huh?

:biglaugh:

[birddog]

Obama continues to be incompetent, lying scum! However, I'm reminded of the saying Cigar, "If you voted for Obama twice, you are way too stupid to argue with!" :smiley:

[Cigar]

http://waynetradingcompany.com/oscom/images/BS-0822.jpg

[Cigar]

Obama continues to be incompetent, lying scum! However, I'm reminded of the saying Cigar, "If you voted for Obama twice, you are way too stupid to argue with!" :smiley:

I understand, couldn't keep one skinny community organizer from taxing that ass :grin:

Kinda like you getting your stuff pushed in ... :laugh:

http://t.fod4.com/t/5a43173288/c1280x720_18.jpg

[birddog]

http://waynetradingcompany.com/oscom/images/BS-0822.jpg

Losing does suck when it is produced by a liar and crook like Obama! It's also sad that gullible supporters are too close-minded and ignorant to see it!

[Ethereal]

Obama, like Bush before him, has been a miserable failure as a President, and will go down in history as just another handmaiden to the corporate plutocracy. His legacy will be Wall Street bailouts, stagnant wages, historically low labor force participation rates, bombing dozens of countries, assassinating an American citizen without trial, his war on whistle-blowers and journalists, mass spying on Americans, reviving the Cold War with Russia, and piling on more debt.

[birddog]

Bush 43 was not a failure. He did some things I did not like, but some helped him get re-elected and the end justified the means.

Bush was a real CIC, but I didn't approve of large numbers of ground troops in Iraq.

Part D and No Child Left Behind helped him get re-elected.

To imply that Bush was no better than Obama is just plain silly!

[Ethereal]

Bush 43 was not a failure. He did some things I did not like, but some helped him get re-elected and the end justified the means.

Bush was a real CIC, but I didn't approve of large numbers of ground troops in Iraq.

Part D and No Child Left Behind helped him get re-elected.

To imply that Bush was no better than Obama is just plain silly!

Bush was arguably worse than Obama. He was a lying, war-mongering simpleton who piled on the debt, expanded federal bureaucracies, bailed out Wall Street, signed the treasonous patriot act, gave an executive order that allowed the NSA to spy on Americans, started a disastrous war based on lies, and allowed 3,000 American civilians to die in the worst terrorist attack in American history. He was an awful, miserable failure, and his administration was full of war criminals.

[TrueBlue]

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-15-obama-press-conference-podium-chandelier-reuters-640-668x501.jpg

In the middle of July 2007, George W. Bush’s Gallup approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx) was 31 percent, with 63 percent disapproving. As of mid-July 2015, President Barack Obama’s approval and disapproval in the same poll are both 47 percent.


I did the math for you, Tea Partiers: Obama’s margin is about 32 percent better.


What’s even more remarkable is that a recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll (https://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_marginals.pdf) showed that the president, after more than six bruising years in office, is more popular than any candidate for president. His approval and disapproval in that poll is 44 percent, and the only candidates whose approval is slightly higher than his disapproval — Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Bernie Sanders — are still completely unknown to 1 out of 5 Americans.


Approval ratings don’t signify success, of course.


But what they do show is that the Republican perception of Obama as a failure somewhere on the spectrum between George W. Bush and the Hindenburg towing the Titanic is unique to them. And despite their best efforts to destroy his presidency, it’s thriving because the very things they see as failures, much of the public perceives as successes.


In an era of remarkable “negative partisanship (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/negative-partisanship-has-transformed-politics.html),” the current occupant of the White House is seeing hints of Reagan-like rise in his approval rating, while W. saw a Nixon-like crumble in his for a pretty simple reason: Obama has seen a long string of policy successes that may be unrivaled by any recent president.


“Obama may be singular as a president, not only because of his striking background,” Kenneth Adelman, Ronald Reagan’s arms control negotiator with the Soviets, told Politico Magazine. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/barack-obamas-long-game-120259.html?ml=m_b5_1#.VauqsuhVhBc) “It may turn out that unlike virtually any other president, his second term is actually better than his first.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-reasons-barack-obama-may-be-having-the-best-year-of-any-recent-president/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=MM_frequency_six&utm_campaign=Morning Memo - 2015-07-20&utm_content=Final

And besides that, Obama is riding high with many other accomplishments as well! Thanks to Politicususa for this report.

Obama’s Winning Streak Continues: Economy Adds 12.8 Million Jobs Over 64 Straight Months
By: Sarah Jones

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/02/obamas-economy-adds-feather-businesses-add-233000-jobs.html

"And they called him a lame duck. President Obama’s economy has added 12.8 million private sector jobs over 64 straight months of job growth, extending the longest streak on record."


"Thursday’s job announcement numbers put another feather in the cap of the President’s legacy, as he has now presided over 64 straight months of private sector job growth. Yes, that’s right. The Department of Labor (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm) announced that the economy added 223,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate dropped to 5.3 percent:"

[birddog]

Bush was arguably worse than Obama. He was a lying, war-mongering simpleton who piled on the debt, expanded federal bureaucracies, bailed out Wall Street, signed the treasonous patriot act, gave an executive order that allowed the NSA to spy on Americans, started a disastrous war based on lies, and allowed 3,000 American civilians to die in the worst terrorist attack in American history. He was an awful, miserable failure, and his administration was full of war criminals.

You believe the liberal crap too much! Clinton did the most to set up 9-11 and the Iraq War. Certainly Bush did some things I didn't like, but Obama was far worse!

[Venus]

And besides that, Obama is riding high with many other accomplishments as well! Thanks to Politicususa for this report.

Obama’s Winning Streak Continues: Economy Adds 12.8 Million Jobs Over 64 Straight Months
By: Sarah Jones

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/02/obamas-economy-adds-feather-businesses-add-233000-jobs.html


You really need to diversify your reading material.

[The Xl]

Obama, like Bush before him, has been a miserable failure as a President, and will go down in history as just another handmaiden to the corporate plutocracy. His legacy will be Wall Street bailouts, stagnant wages, historically low labor force participation rates, bombing dozens of countries, assassinating an American citizen without trial, his war on whistle-blowers and journalists, mass spying on Americans, reviving the Cold War with Russia, and piling on more debt.

This

[The Xl]

Bush was arguably worse than Obama. He was a lying, war-mongering simpleton who piled on the debt, expanded federal bureaucracies, bailed out Wall Street, signed the treasonous patriot act, gave an executive order that allowed the NSA to spy on Americans, started a disastrous war based on lies, and allowed 3,000 American civilians to die in the worst terrorist attack in American history. He was an awful, miserable failure, and his administration was full of war criminals.

And this.

[TrueBlue]

You really need to diversify your reading material.
Nope, don't think so. The link Politicususa presented from The Department of Labor is quite convincing! :)

[whatukno]

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-15-obama-press-conference-podium-chandelier-reuters-640-668x501.jpg

In the middle of July 2007, George W. Bush’s Gallup approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx) was 31 percent, with 63 percent disapproving. As of mid-July 2015, President Barack Obama’s approval and disapproval in the same poll are both 47 percent.


I did the math for you, Tea Partiers: Obama’s margin is about 32 percent better.


What’s even more remarkable is that a recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll (https://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_marginals.pdf) showed that the president, after more than six bruising years in office, is more popular than any candidate for president. His approval and disapproval in that poll is 44 percent, and the only candidates whose approval is slightly higher than his disapproval — Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Bernie Sanders — are still completely unknown to 1 out of 5 Americans.


Approval ratings don’t signify success, of course.


But what they do show is that the Republican perception of Obama as a failure somewhere on the spectrum between George W. Bush and the Hindenburg towing the Titanic is unique to them. And despite their best efforts to destroy his presidency, it’s thriving because the very things they see as failures, much of the public perceives as successes.


In an era of remarkable “negative partisanship (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/negative-partisanship-has-transformed-politics.html),” the current occupant of the White House is seeing hints of Reagan-like rise in his approval rating, while W. saw a Nixon-like crumble in his for a pretty simple reason: Obama has seen a long string of policy successes that may be unrivaled by any recent president.


“Obama may be singular as a president, not only because of his striking background,” Kenneth Adelman, Ronald Reagan’s arms control negotiator with the Soviets, told Politico Magazine. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/barack-obamas-long-game-120259.html?ml=m_b5_1#.VauqsuhVhBc) “It may turn out that unlike virtually any other president, his second term is actually better than his first.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-reasons-barack-obama-may-be-having-the-best-year-of-any-recent-president/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=MM_frequency_six&utm_campaign=Morning Memo - 2015-07-20&utm_content=Final


You have to understand, there are two presidents in office right now. There's the one that most everyone sees, a president who through some tough times, and some setbacks has tried to work towards what he thinks is in the best interests of the American people, he's had some WTF moments, where his policies don't jive with most Americans, but overall, he is doing a decent job.

Then there's the one that the FOX News crowd sees. a blazing demon hell bent on destroying everything everyone holds dear. A cruel and unmerciful dictator that subsists solely on the blood of newborn kittens and children's tears. A being of such unimaginable evil, he rises from his coffin (obviously made from the bones of the four Americans he personally killed in Benghazi), with the singular thought: "How can I further destroy this country today!" After some light exercise of whipping the kidnapped toddler of a US Vet, he goes downstairs to start his morning satanic ritual. Then golf.

[Bo-4]

So much win for Baracky of late. What was that about "lame duck"?

Hell, wouldn't be surprised if he succeeds in closing Gitmo!

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/01/DealWithIt.gif

[Tahuyaman]

Nope, don't think so. The link Politicususa presented from The Department of Labor is quite convincing! :)


This is the same person who says there are many people out there who claim that the government is going to force them to dissolve their current marriage then force them to marry someone of the same gender.

[Bo-4]

Bush was arguably worse than Obama. He was a lying, war-mongering simpleton who piled on the debt, expanded federal bureaucracies, bailed out Wall Street, signed the treasonous patriot act, gave an executive order that allowed the NSA to spy on Americans, started a disastrous war based on lies, and allowed 3,000 American civilians to die in the worst terrorist attack in American history. He was an awful, miserable failure, and his administration was full of war criminals.

Wow, i knew if i looked long enough i could find something to agree with you about ;-)

Obama's having a pretty awesome year though. Should he succeed in closing Gitmo, he'll go down as a solid B POTUS.

[domer76]

Bush 43 was not a failure. He did some things I did not like, but some helped him get re-elected and the end justified the means.

Bush was a real CIC, but I didn't approve of large numbers of ground troops in Iraq.

Part D and No Child Left Behind helped him get re-elected.

To imply that Bush was no better than Obama is just plain silly!

Bush 43 was the worst President in my lifetime. Unnecessary deaths of how many thousands? Unnecessary maimings of how many tens upon tens of thousands? Fucked up a major natural catastrophe. REALLY fucked up a budget. To place that miserable failure in the same category as ANY President in memory is an insult to all the others.

[zelmo1234]

I understand, couldn't keep one skinny community organizer from taxing that ass :grin:

Kinda like you getting your stuff pushed in ... :laugh:

http://t.fod4.com/t/5a43173288/c1280x720_18.jpg

Sure you can, those administration cost from the home office in Grand Cayman are a Bitch. The profits of the US companies just are not there.

And it is too bad too that 11% tax rate they are charging is a terrible thing.

That is the funny part the only people that Obama tax policies are hurting are the upper middle class and below.

And they keep cheering him on.

[zelmo1234]

And besides that, Obama is riding high with many other accomplishments as well! Thanks to Politicususa for this report.

Obama’s Winning Streak Continues: Economy Adds 12.8 Million Jobs Over 64 Straight Months
By: Sarah Jones

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/02/obamas-economy-adds-feather-businesses-add-233000-jobs.html

We have been through this many time, just because something is passed, does not make it an accomplishment, Most of the items on this list actually made things worse for the people. And many of them are listed more than once.

[zelmo1234]

And besides that, Obama is riding high with many other accomplishments as well! Thanks to Politicususa for this report.

Obama’s Winning Streak Continues: Economy Adds 12.8 Million Jobs Over 64 Straight Months
By: Sarah Jones

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/02/obamas-economy-adds-feather-businesses-add-233000-jobs.html

So if all these jobs have been created? Why has the work for fallen to levels not seen since the Carter Administration.

Why is it that the average income in the USA has fallen 5K and that middle class families have lost 40% of their wealth?

I understand that Democrats do not understand how the economy works, but you must understand that something is not right.

[TrueBlue]

This is the same person who says there are many people out there who claim that the government is going to force them to dissolve their current marriage then force them to marry someone of the same gender.
Don't blame me for the idiocy of others. The hicks I heard talking about that were prime example and it's too bad they don't have the balls to post their disgusting beliefs on-line.

[zelmo1234]

Bush 43 was the worst President in my lifetime. Unnecessary deaths of how many thousands? Unnecessary maimings of how many tens upon tens of thousands? $#@!ed up a major natural catastrophe. REALLY $#@!ed up a budget. To place that miserable failure in the same category as ANY President in memory is an insult to all the others.

Actually, he is a dream compared to the person occupying the Whitehouse right now.

If this deal with Iran actually goes through, it will be responsible for the deaths of millions. He has added more debt than any other president and has never had a deficit as small as GWB's largest

It is truly amazing that the country is still standing after 2 really poor leaders.

[Tahuyaman]

Don't blame me for the idiocy of others. The hicks I heard talking about that were prime example and it's too bad they don't have the balls to post their disgusting beliefs on-line.

I'm not blaming you for the idiocy of others. I'm blaming you for making up ridiculous fairy tales and presenting them as fact. If you could support your contrived comment with something factual you would. You can't, so you just keep repeating the dumb claim.

[Tahuyaman]

It is truly amazing that the country is still standing after 2 really poor leaders.

The United States is strong enough to overcome piss poor leadership on the part of a few. Serious people can compensated for quite a bit of incompetence.

[Tahuyaman]

The hicks I heard talking about that were prime example and it's too bad they don't have the balls to post their disgusting beliefs on-line.

those hicks were figments of your imagination. You simply wish there were these people out there thinking this.

If you would simply speculated that these people exist, you would have generated a bunch of supporting comments from the other left wing loons here. As it is, even they know your comment is a figment of your imagination.

[domer76]

Actually, he is a dream compared to the person occupying the Whitehouse right now.

If this deal with Iran actually goes through, it will be responsible for the deaths of millions. He has added more debt than any other president and has never had a deficit as small as GWB's largest

It is truly amazing that the country is still standing after 2 really poor leaders.

Will be responsible for the deaths of millions? A little hyperbole, dontcha think? Let me tell ya' Rose, the right's ability to prognosticate ANYTHING correctly, is next to zero. Your's is no different. Post again, from your bunker, when that prediction comes to fruition. Until then, it's quite laughable.

[birddog]

Obama is lying, incompetent, selfish scum, and is the worst president in our history! Period!

Bush 43 certainly was not the best, but was far superior to B. Hussein Obama. Obama has done more to weaken the military, he has emboldened the ME to endanger our country and true allies, has presided over the weakest recovery from a recession since WWII, has created true joblessness, has coddled illegal criminal aliens, and will have double the national debt before he's through! Deal with facts!

[whatukno]

Obama is lying, incompetent, selfish scum, and is the worst president in our history! Period!

Bush 43 certainly was not the best, but was far superior to B. Hussein Obama. Obama has done more to weaken the military, he has emboldened the ME to endanger our country and true allies, has presided over the weakest recovery from a recession since WWII, has created true joblessness, has coddled illegal criminal aliens, and will have double the national debt before he's through! Deal with facts!


Oooh, don't forget is a Demon Spawn, Illegal Alien, Baby killing, Kitten eating, fire breathing, reincarnation of Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin and POL POT COMBINED!

[PolWatch]

Welcome to year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency.....enjoy!

[Ethereal]

You believe the liberal crap too much! Clinton did the most to set up 9-11 and the Iraq War. Certainly Bush did some things I didn't like, but Obama was far worse!

It's not "liberal crap", it's the objective truth. Everything I said was a fact. The only reason you don't accept these facts is because you possess a partisan loyalty to the Republican party which prevents you from seeing things clearly.

[Ethereal]

Wow, i knew if i looked long enough i could find something to agree with you about ;-)

Obama's having a pretty awesome year though. Should he succeed in closing Gitmo, he'll go down as a solid B POTUS.

Sorry to upset you, but there is little difference between Bush and Obama. They are both horrible Presidents who serve the interests of plutocrats before the American people. And they are both responsible for the violent death of thousands of innocent people overseas.

[PolWatch]

Sorry to upset you, but there is little difference between Bush and Obama. They are both horrible Presidents who serve the interests of plutocrats before the American people. And they are both responsible for the violent death of thousands of innocent people overseas.

Just think, if Romney had won things would be very different.....we would have Romneycare instead of Obamacare.

[Ethereal]

Just think, if Romney had won things would be very different.....we would have Romneycare instead of Obamacare.

I'm guessing he would have made E-verify a central component of his Presidency. That is the ultimate insult to "small government" principles, and a glaring indication of the hypocrisy of the Republican party.

[Dr. Who]

Obama, like Bush before him, has been a miserable failure as a President, and will go down in history as just another handmaiden to the corporate plutocracy. His legacy will be Wall Street bailouts, stagnant wages, historically low labor force participation rates, bombing dozens of countries, assassinating an American citizen without trial, his war on whistle-blowers and journalists, mass spying on Americans, reviving the Cold War with Russia, and piling on more debt.
How do you know that the next President or any Presidents to come will manage to shake the oligarchy that is currently dominating the world? Do we even know whether Presidential behavior is a matter of personal perference or a matter of force? The test would be Bernie Sanders, since he is not taking any corporate sponsorship. If he cannot resist the corporate oligarchy, then you will know that there is a gun to the heads of world leaders and all elections are a waste of time.

[Ethereal]

How do you know that the next President or any Presidents to come will manage to shake the oligarchy that is currently dominating the world?

I don't.


Do we even know whether Presidential behavior is a matter of personal perference or a matter of force? The test would be Bernie Sanders, since he is not taking any corporate sponsorship. If he cannot resist the corporate oligarchy, then you will know that there is a gun to the heads of world leaders and all elections are a waste of time.

Of course elections are a waste of time. Just look at what happened to JFK.

[birddog]

It's not "liberal crap", it's the objective truth. Everything I said was a fact. The only reason you don't accept these facts is because you possess a partisan loyalty to the Republican party which prevents you from seeing things clearly.

Not true at all. Many Republicans do not agree with me on some points. I rely on experience, commonsense, and all political viewpoints. I obviously see things more clearly than you. You need to examine the real facts.:rollseyes:

[Cigar]

Obama is lying, incompetent, selfish scum, and is the worst president in our history! Period!

Bush 43 certainly was not the best, but was far superior to B. Hussein Obama. Obama has done more to weaken the military, he has emboldened the ME to endanger our country and true allies, has presided over the weakest recovery from a recession since WWII, has created true joblessness, has coddled illegal criminal aliens, and will have double the national debt before he's through! Deal with facts!

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/8/1/6/3/6/a2891868-222-baby%20tantrum.gif?d=1258996499

[birddog]

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/8/1/6/3/6/a2891868-222-baby tantrum.gif?d=1258996499

Obviously, the tantrum thrower can only be representative of you and your realization I am correct. I bet you feel bad, but I forgive you.:grin:

[Ethereal]

Not true at all. Many Republicans do not agree with me on some points. I rely on experience, commonsense, and all political viewpoints. I obviously see things more clearly than you. You need to examine the real facts.:rollseyes:

Everything I said about Bush's Presidency was a fact. If you feel differently, then provide evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, you got nothing.

[Cigar]

Rolling Stone Names President Obama ‘One of the Most Successful Presidents in American History’http://www.lovebscott.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/obamarolling.jpg

President Obama graces the cover of the latest issue of Rolling Stone.

In the mag, Nobel Prize- winning economist Paul Krugman wrote an amazing piece in defense of President Obama’s presidency.

Mainstream media is often quick to point out President Obama’s perceived failures during his tenure, so it’s refreshing to see a publication highlight his many accomplishments — especially because President Obama’s approval rating is currently the lowest it’s ever been (according to CNBC).

Krugman declares President Obama as one of the “one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history” and acknowledges the harsh and often unfair criticism he endures.

Obama faces trash talk left, right and center – literally – and doesn’t deserve it. Despite bitter opposition, despite having come close to self-inflicted disaster, Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history. His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it’s working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it’s much more effective than you’d think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy.

I’ll go through those achievements shortly. First, however, let’s take a moment to talk about the current wave of Obama-bashing. All Obama-bashing can be divided into three types. One, a constant of his time in office, is the onslaught from the right, which has never stopped portraying him as an Islamic atheist Marxist Kenyan. Nothing has changed on that front, and nothing will.

http://www.lovebscott.com/news/rolling-stone-names-president-obama-one-of-the-most-successful-presidents-in-american-history


http://cactuscaucus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/exploding-GOP-heads.png
(http://www.lovebscott.com/news/rolling-stone-names-president-obama-one-of-the-most-successful-presidents-in-american-history)

[birddog]

Everything I said about Bush's Presidency was a fact. If you feel differently, then provide evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, you got nothing.

I didn't see real evidence on your part. You got nothing except opinion. My opinion is more realistic and logical IMHO!:smiley:

[Tahuyaman]

Don't blame me for the idiocy of others. The hicks I heard talking about that were prime example and it's too bad they don't have the balls to post their disgusting beliefs on-line.

Have you found any factual evidence of all these straight people who you claim believe the government is going to force them into a homosexual marriage?

[maineman]

Have you found any factual evidence of all these straight people who you claim believe the government is going to force them into a homosexual marriage?

it is an interesting corollary, however, that many straight people DO believe that the government can - and will - force churches to violate their sacraments and perform gay marriages.

double digit IQ's soaked with Faux News. Classic.

[Ethereal]

I didn't see real evidence on your part. You got nothing except opinion. My opinion is more realistic and logical IMHO!:smiley:

Fact: 3,000 Americans died in the worst terrorist attack in US history on Bush's watch
Fact: The Iraq war was a disaster that was based on exaggeration and lies.
Fact: Bush signed an executive order authorizing the NSA's mass domestic spying program.
Fact: Bush massively expanded federal government bureaucracies.
Fact: Bush signed TARP into law, which was a Wall Street bailout.
Fact: Bush added billions of dollars to the national debt.
Fact: Bush authorized torture regimes and other war crimes in Iraq.

Sorry if you don't like facts, but that will not make them go away.

[Redrose]

[QUOTE=Cigar;1189926]http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-15-obama-press-conference-podium-chandelier-reuters-640-668x501.jpg

In the middle of July 2007, George W. Bush’s Gallup approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx) was 31 percent, with 63 percent disapproving. As of mid-July 2015, President Barack Obama’s approval and disapproval in the same poll are both 47 percent.


I did the math for you, Tea Partiers: Obama’s margin is about 32 percent better.


What’s even more remarkable is that a recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll (https://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_marginals.pdf) showed that the president, after more than six bruising years in office, is more popular than any candidate for president. His approval and disapproval in that poll is 44 percent, and the only candidates whose approval is slightly higher than his disapproval — Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Bernie Sanders — are still completely unknown to 1 out of 5 Americans.


Approval ratings don’t signify success, of course.


But what they do show is that the Republican perception of Obama as a failure somewhere on the spectrum between George W. Bush and the Hindenburg towing the Titanic is unique to them. And despite their best efforts to destroy his presidency, it’s thriving because the very things they see as failures, much of the public perceives as successes.


In an era of remarkable “negative partisanship (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/negative-partisanship-has-transformed-politics.html),” the current occupant of the White House is seeing hints of Reagan-like rise in his approval rating, while W. saw a Nixon-like crumble in his for a pretty simple reason: Obama has seen a long string of policy successes that may be unrivaled by any recent president.


“Obama may be singular as a president, not only because of his striking background,” Kenneth Adelman, Ronald Reagan’s arms control negotiator with the Soviets, told Politico Magazine. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/barack-obamas-long-game-120259.html?ml=m_b5_1#.VauqsuhVhBc) “It may turn out that unlike virtually any other president, his second term is actually better than his first.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-reasons-barack-obama-may-be-having-the-best-year-of-any-recent-president/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=MM_frequency_six&utm_campaign=Morning Memo - 2015-07-20&utm_content=Final[/QUOTE


Not surprised. Most of his supporters don't have a clue what's going on with politics. They like him cuz "he's cool".

:loco:

[Bob]

Fact: 3,000 Americans died in the worst terrorist attack in US history on Bush's watch
Fact: The Iraq war was a disaster that was based on exaggeration and lies.
Fact: Bush signed an executive order authorizing the NSA's mass domestic spying program.
Fact: Bush massively expanded federal government bureaucracies.
Fact: Bush signed TARP into law, which was a Wall Street bailout.
Fact: Bush added billions of dollars to the national debt.
Fact: Bush authorized torture regimes and other war crimes in Iraq.

Sorry if you don't like facts, but that will not make them go away.

That is what is called drivel.

No context. Nothing to compare to.

Point one is supposed to get you to blame Bush. FAIL
Point two flat ignores the facts of that time. FAIL
Point three forgot the NSA orders were a terrorist must be first talking. FAIL
Point four ignores Bush actually made a comprehensive change so many agencies were incorporated to make them effective. FAIL
TARP was repaid so that is a FAIL
Bush had added billions but the deficit spending was in a steep decline till the crash. FAIL

The alleged torture took place in Afghanistan by using an approved program cleared at Department of Justice. The program as it turns out was normally used on Seals during training. another FAIL

CONTEXT means a lot.

[Tahuyaman]

Liberals are a very entertaining bunch. When their people pile up more debt than all other presidents combined and revive combat operations in a place which was stable and create a government run health care system which keeps the economy from growing, it's a good thing.

When end they get caught using the IRS to punish those with whom they simply disagree and spy on regular law abiding citizens, it's ok.

[Lineman]

2008 - 365 to 173

2012 - 332 to 206

First President in 60 years to win over 51% ....... Twice!

Now.... well now we are watching the Republicans go from being racists, to sexists.

:D

[Tahuyaman]

Now.... well now we are watching the Republicans go from being racists, to sexists.

:D


And liberals going even crazier than they are now.

The left continually always crows about the liberal shift in America, but they keep getting angrier and goofier every day. What's up with that?

[maineman]

And liberals going even crazier than they are now.

The left continually always crows about the liberal shift in America, but they keep getting angrier and goofier every day. What's up with that?

I'm not angry in the least, and what might seem to be goofiness is the fact that we are silly with excitement as the clown car keeps getting fuller and fuller and all of them are breaking Ronnie's 11th Commandment... this primary season will be a GOP blood bath. The "victor" will be damaged goods who will find himself way too far out to the right to be able to capture the center in the general.

[Bob]

Liberals are a very entertaining bunch. When their people pile up more debt than all other presidents combined and revive combat operations in a place which was stable and create a government run health care system which keeps the economy from growing, it's a good thing.

When end they get caught using the IRS to punish those with whom they simply disagree and spy on regular law abiding citizens, it's ok.

They are certainly not liberal. I expect Democrats to lie, but a true liberal ought to shrug it off.

[PolWatch]

Polls & opinion pieces are interesting but they don't matter. The only thing that matters is election night returns. With Trump's help, we may get to watch Karl Rove tell us again how those numbers are all wrong.

I don't think the dems can win but the repubs can certainly lose....and they seem determined to do so.

[Safety]

Fact: 3,000 Americans died in the worst terrorist attack in US history on Bush's watch
Fact: The Iraq war was a disaster that was based on exaggeration and lies.
Fact: Bush signed an executive order authorizing the NSA's mass domestic spying program.
Fact: Bush massively expanded federal government bureaucracies.
Fact: Bush signed TARP into law, which was a Wall Street bailout.
Fact: Bush added billions of dollars to the national debt.
Fact: Bush authorized torture regimes and other war crimes in Iraq.

Sorry if you don't like facts, but that will not make them go away.

....check

[Safety]

That is what is called drivel.

No context. Nothing to compare to.

Point one is supposed to get you to blame Bush. FAIL
Point two flat ignores the facts of that time. FAIL
Point three forgot the NSA orders were a terrorist must be first talking. FAIL
Point four ignores Bush actually made a comprehensive change so many agencies were incorporated to make them effective. FAIL
TARP was repaid so that is a FAIL
Bush had added billions but the deficit spending was in a steep decline till the crash. FAIL

The alleged torture took place in Afghanistan by using an approved program cleared at Department of Justice. The program as it turns out was normally used on Seals during training. another FAIL

CONTEXT means a lot.

Translation: Please consider context when speaking about someone I support. Otherwise, hyperbole and soundbites are good enough to run with.

[Bob]

2008 - 365 to 173

2012 - 332 to 206

First President in 60 years to win over 51% ....... Twice!

Now.... well now we are watching the Republicans go from being racists, to sexists.

:D

Run him again. We are up to the challenge.

[PolWatch]

Translation: Please consider context when speaking about someone I support. Otherwise, hyperbole and soundbites are good enough to run with.

you forgot junk e-mails as a source

[Bob]

Translation: Please consider context when speaking about someone I support. Otherwise, hyperbole and soundbites are good enough to run with.

I have yet to proclaim Bush the second coming of JC. But the left lied about the man. They vastly underestimated him. He never sold out to the Ayatollah.

[Bob]

you forgot junk e-mails as a source
Stick tight with your fellow left wingers.

[Bob]

Translation: Please consider context when speaking about someone I support. Otherwise, hyperbole and soundbites are good enough to run with.

I will give you a full chance to pick any or all points to prove I am wrong.

Go for it sport.


http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1191687#post1191687)
That is what is called drivel.

No context. Nothing to compare to.

Point one is supposed to get you to blame Bush. FAIL
Point two flat ignores the facts of that time. FAIL
Point three forgot the NSA orders were a terrorist must be first talking. FAIL
Point four ignores Bush actually made a comprehensive change so many agencies were incorporated to make them effective. FAIL
TARP was repaid so that is a FAIL
Bush had added billions but the deficit spending was in a steep decline till the crash. FAIL

The alleged torture took place in Afghanistan by using an approved program cleared at Department of Justice. The program as it turns out was normally used on Seals during training. another FAIL

CONTEXT means a lot.

[Bob]

....check

When Ethereal gets a full endorsement by the left, you know what he is.

[Safety]

When Ethereal gets a full endorsement by the left, you know what he is.

Honest and trustworthy?

Shape up, maybe you can improve.

[Tahuyaman]

When Ethereal gets a full endorsement by the left, you know what he is.

Those left wingers love each other as if each is the messiah. Liberalism is their religion and that all are God.

Even when they disagree they agree.

[Safety]

I will give you a full chance to pick any or all points to prove I am wrong.

Go for it sport.


That is what is called drivel.

No context. Nothing to compare to.

Point one is supposed to get you to blame Bush. FAIL It happened under Bush. Fact.
Point two flat ignores the facts of that time. FAIL They lied to get us to war, later on it was proven. Fact.
Point three forgot the NSA orders were a terrorist must be first talking. FAIL It's only a little impedance on our rights.... GTFO
Point four ignores Bush actually made a comprehensive change so many agencies were incorporated to make them effective. FAIL LoL, government expansion only matters when the guy you like is in office...
TARP was repaid so that is a FAIL LoL, there was so much bed shitting over Obama bailing out wall street by cons...go figure when Bush did it, it was right as rain.
Bush had added billions but the deficit spending was in a steep decline till the crash. FAIL Once again, Bush did it...goooood, Obama did it....eviiiilllll

The alleged torture took place in Afghanistan by using an approved program cleared at Department of Justice. The program as it turns out was normally used on Seals during training. another FAIL So, when Obama does something that is legal, you will have nothing to bitch about, right? Wait....been there done that.

CONTEXT means a lot.

Ball is back in your court, Bobby. Can you show the class how anybody can look at your points of ok'ing Bush's policies, but bitch when Obama does the same policies? How can you be for something, and be against the same with someone else, unless.....


....check
....mate

[Tahuyaman]

I don't think the dems can win but the repubs can certainly lose....and they seem determined to do so.

I don't believe Trump is hurting Republicans at all. The only people who are rejecting Republicans are those who would never vote Republican in the first place.

The media is trying to exploit Trump in order to promote this anti Republican theme, but that's been the case my entire life. There's nothing new here.

The main stream media currently is comprised of Clinton administration hacks and lackeys and they will go to the mat in support of Hillary Clinton. ...... I digress.....

[Bob]

Safety (post 69)

I won't be responding to posts when you don't understand how to use quote marks. Fix it and I will show your errors.

[Safety]

....check


Safety (post 69)

I won't be responding to posts when you don't understand how to use quote marks. Fix it and I will show your errors.

....the quote function was used properly. You see your words with my rebuttal in red.

I can understand if your position is too weak to bother.

[Safety]

I don't believe Trump is hurting Republicans at all. The only people who are rejecting Republicans are those who would never vote Republican in the first place.

The media is trying to exploit Trump in order to promote this anti Republican theme, but that's been the case my entire life. There's nothing new here.

The main stream media currently is comprised of Clinton administration hacks and lackeys and they will go to the mat in support of Hillary Clinton. ...... I digress.....

If it seems like the entire country world is against you, maybe it isn't the world that has the problem......

[Tahuyaman]

Safety (post 69)

I won't be responding to posts when you don't understand how to use quote marks. Fix it and I will show your errors.

There's plenty more he / she doesn't understand.

[Tahuyaman]

If it seems like the entire country world is against you, maybe it isn't the world that has the problem......


Just the left wing loon world. The real world is a wonderful place. You should spend some time there.

[Safety]

There's plenty more he / she doesn't understand.

Awww, now you're back to trying to use insults? How passive-aggressive of you.

[Safety]

Just the left wing loon world. The real world is a wonderful place. You should spend some time there.

riiight. The real world that reminds you of what a terrible place liberals have created, at least that is what you say often......

[Tahuyaman]

riiight. The real world that reminds you of what a terrible place liberals have created, at least that is what you say often......


I have been able to disregard the liberal idiocy and enjoy life.

[Safety]

I have been able to disregard the liberal idiocy and enjoy life.

Your posts here paint a different picture. Are you lying to yourself or us?

[Tahuyaman]

Your posts here paint a different picture. Are you lying to yourself or us?

You see what you want to see. You translate my words to fit your narrow view. Not my problem.

[Ethereal]

Liberals are a very entertaining bunch. When their people pile up more debt than all other presidents combined and revive combat operations in a place which was stable and create a government run health care system which keeps the economy from growing, it's a good thing.

When end they get caught using the IRS to punish those with whom they simply disagree and spy on regular law abiding citizens, it's ok.

I criticize Obama constantly. You are just not intelligent enough to understand that there are more categories than "liberal" and "conservative".

[birddog]

I criticize Obama constantly. You are just not intelligent enough to understand that there are more categories than "liberal" and "conservative".


If you agree with Obama half of the time, you are a liberal!

[maineman]

If you agree with Obama half of the time, you are a liberal!

cuz labels matter, don't they?

[Tahuyaman]

I criticize Obama constantly. You are just not intelligent enough to understand that there are more categories than "liberal" and "conservative".


If you agree with Obama half of the time, you are a liberal!

Liberals can never admit that they are in fact liberals. They need to soften or camouflage their views with terms like moderate and progressive.

[birddog]

cuz labels matter, don't they?

With "liberals." it does matter as it's an indication of stupidity!

[maineman]

With "liberals." it does matter as it's an indication of stupidity!

I am a liberal, and I haven't been stupid ever. You simply use the term as an epithet, which is sort of boring after a while.

[donttread]

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-15-obama-press-conference-podium-chandelier-reuters-640-668x501.jpg

In the middle of July 2007, George W. Bush’s Gallup approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx) was 31 percent, with 63 percent disapproving. As of mid-July 2015, President Barack Obama’s approval and disapproval in the same poll are both 47 percent.


I did the math for you, Tea Partiers: Obama’s margin is about 32 percent better.


What’s even more remarkable is that a recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll (https://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_marginals.pdf) showed that the president, after more than six bruising years in office, is more popular than any candidate for president. His approval and disapproval in that poll is 44 percent, and the only candidates whose approval is slightly higher than his disapproval — Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Bernie Sanders — are still completely unknown to 1 out of 5 Americans.


Approval ratings don’t signify success, of course.


But what they do show is that the Republican perception of Obama as a failure somewhere on the spectrum between George W. Bush and the Hindenburg towing the Titanic is unique to them. And despite their best efforts to destroy his presidency, it’s thriving because the very things they see as failures, much of the public perceives as successes.


In an era of remarkable “negative partisanship (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/negative-partisanship-has-transformed-politics.html),” the current occupant of the White House is seeing hints of Reagan-like rise in his approval rating, while W. saw a Nixon-like crumble in his for a pretty simple reason: Obama has seen a long string of policy successes that may be unrivaled by any recent president.


“Obama may be singular as a president, not only because of his striking background,” Kenneth Adelman, Ronald Reagan’s arms control negotiator with the Soviets, told Politico Magazine. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/barack-obamas-long-game-120259.html?ml=m_b5_1#.VauqsuhVhBc) “It may turn out that unlike virtually any other president, his second term is actually better than his first.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-reasons-barack-obama-may-be-having-the-best-year-of-any-recent-president/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=MM_frequency_six&utm_campaign=Morning Memo - 2015-07-20&utm_content=Final

How so? Is he getting laid a lot? Some tail on the side maybe? Did he win Lotto? Because you can't possibly be talking about the job he's done as president! BTW, when you are bragging about less than half of the idiot sheep approving of you , you are really reaching.

[birddog]

I am a liberal, and I haven't been stupid ever. You simply use the term as an epithet, which is sort of boring after a while.


Your usual mantra is more than a little boring, so what? IMHO, "stupid" means you are too dumb to learn as a rule, and that would not be typical of you, and certainly not of me.

Being close-minded or totally biased might be a form of stupidity, and you better fit that mold than I.

[maineman]

Your usual mantra is more than a little boring, so what? IMHO, "stupid" means you are too dumb to learn as a rule, and that would not be typical of you, and certainly not of me.

Being close-minded or totally biased might be a form of stupidity, and you better fit that mold than I.

actually, there was an exchange you and I had a few months ago - and I have absolutely zero interest in digging around to find it - but you basically challenged me be claiming yourself much more understanding of the other side than I was. You said something like, "I think that republicans are right 75% of the time and I know that you do not feel the same about your party". I said something like, "I actually think that both parties are equally to blame for the mess that this country finds itself in." You immediately left the thread without even replying to my post. You are one of the three of four most partisan, least informed RWNJs on this site, without a doubt.

[maineman]

and away he goes

[birddog]

actually, there was an exchange you and I had a few months ago - and I have absolutely zero interest in digging around to find it - but you basically challenged me be claiming yourself much more understanding of the other side than I was. You said something like, "I think that republicans are right 75% of the time and I know that you do not feel the same about your party". I said something like, "I actually think that both parties are equally to blame for the mess that this country finds itself in." You immediately left the thread without even replying to my post. You are one of the three of four most partisan, least informed RWNJs on this site, without a doubt.

I don't think it was 75%. On various occasions here and other places, I have stated that I am arbitrarily a 60/40 person. I blame democrats for 60% of our country's woes and 40% I blame on the republicans. I think that's more than fair to have that opinion. I only ask for reciprocity from your side, but I usually don't get it.

[maineman]

I don't think it was 75%. On various occasions here and other places, I have stated that I am arbitrarily a 60/40 person. I blame democrats for 60% of our country's woes and 40% I blame on the republicans. I think that's more than fair to have that opinion. I only ask for reciprocity from your side, but I usually don't get it.

As I said, you made that claim. I stated 50/50 and you ran away like a girlieman.

[birddog]

As I said, you made that claim. I stated 50/50 and you ran away like a girlieman.

My point was the majority of blame was put on the democrats, and a fair minority on the republicans. I don't remember you saying 50/50, and assume that an untruth unless you can prove it. Your posts overall don't support that.

[maineman]

My point was the majority of blame was put on the democrats, and a fair minority on the republicans. I don't remember you saying 50/50, and assume that an untruth unless you can prove it. Your posts overall don't support that.

so.... you are calling me a liar. Is that correct?

[birddog]

so.... you are calling me a liar. Is that correct?

Not really, I would rather think you were talking about one situation when you said 50/50, and were not talking about the usual percentage.

I certainly am not afraid to call you or anyone a liar if I am totally sure, but that is not the case here.

Take a deep breath and relax! Geeez!

[maineman]

Not really, I would rather think you were talking about one situation when you said 50/50, and were not talking about the usual percentage.

I certainly am not afraid to call you or anyone a liar if I am totally sure, but that is not the case here.

Take a deep breath and relax! Geeez!

"think" all you like. I posted the thread from back in May.... and you have avoided it...again.

why am I not surprised?

[birddog]

"think" all you like. I posted the thread from back in May.... and you have avoided it...again.

why am I not surprised?

You make no sense! Are you smoking some of that Mexican Weed?