5 days until the debate and i feel like a kid on Christmas Eve!

[Bo-4]

I just don't quite know what to expect. Some are saying that Trump will play Mr. Nice Guy but i don't see that happening. The dude us a wild animal and if he sees an opening, he'll pounce.

So how do the other candidates handle it. Do they turn a cheek or go back at him. Pretty sure they've all got a few zingers in their pocket.

And what about the mods? Pretty good ones IMHO in Kelly, Wallace and Baier. Kelly especially, because Trump doesn't react well to strong females. And rest assured she'll go after him to make a moment for herself.

And with so many on the stage, how about a few questions involving a show of hands in the interest of saving time? Who could forget the iconic moment in 2011 when Baier asked (in so many words) 'would you walk away from a ten to one deal where there would be a dollar in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts?'

All eight sheepishly raised their hands!

Here are a few more like that which would be fascinating:



Raise your hand if you believe in evolution
Raise your hand if you believe in climate change
Raise your hand if you would deport all 11 million illegal aliens


Any others? :cool:

And what about this one (won't happen but it'd sure be fun!) ...

Going left to right, who is your favorite billionaire.

:rofl:

[midcan5]

Raise your hand if you believe taxes are the work of the devil
Raise your hand if you believe gays should go back in the closet
Raise your hand if you believe if Jesus is coming soon
Raise your hand if you believe outsourcing is wonderful
Raise your hand if you have money off shore
Raise your hand if you believe minimum wage should be lowered
Raise your hand if you've read the Bible this past week
Raise your hand if you think your party is winning the war on women
Raise your hand if you believe Hillary is Satan's sister
Raise your hand if you are in favor of concealed carry
Raise your hand if you are carrying now
Raise your hand if you if you think planned parenthood should be bombed
Raise your hand if you think Bush II was no.2 just behind Reagan
Raise your hand if you shop at Walmart cause you hate unions
Raise your hand if you think healthcare is a privilege of the selected people
Raise your hand if you children and elderly on welfare should work
Raise your hand if you feel a few mass killings is a fair price to pay for a well armed society
Raise your hand if you think public education too radical
Raise your hand if you think maybe slavery could work again
Raise your hand if you hope your run for president pads your pocket with lots of money.

[Bo-4]

Very nice, thanks!

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJukFTiUYAAPIrn.jpg:thumb

[Green Arrow]

What kind of question is that? "Raise your hand if you believe in education"? Who doesn't believe in education?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Someone inform Bo there isn't 5 days from Christmas Eve to Christmas.

[Crepitus]

Someone inform Bo there isn't 5 days from Christmas Eve to Christmas.
LOL, Someone explain metaphors to GRC.

[Green Arrow]

Someone inform Bo there isn't 5 days from Christmas Eve to Christmas.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor

[The Xl]

I'll watch all the debates for both entertainment value and to get pissed off at the idiotic things said. Nothing of substance will be said in any of these debates.

[Bo-4]

What kind of question is that? "Raise your hand if you believe in education"? Who doesn't believe in education?

Oh, for the most part this group of Republicans believes in education .. as long as it's private school not funded with tax dollars.

[Bo-4]

Someone inform Bo there isn't 5 days from Christmas Eve to Christmas.

Hey, did you not WANT it to be Christmas Eve 5 days from Christmas and have that same general feeling?

Orrr.. maybe this was you? :D

http://www.cinemenium.com/grinch/images/pics/pic06.jpg

[birddog]

There is a high probability that one of the debaters will be the next POTUS.

[Private Pickle]

Once Trump jumps Jeb will take it.

[Peter1469]

If Jeb is the GOP choice a lot of conservatives will look elsewhere.

[Bo-4]

There is a high probability that one of the debaters will be the next POTUS.

Assuming Kasich makes the cut .. yes.

If not -- NO

[Bo-4]

If Jeb is the GOP choice a lot of conservatives will look elsewhere.

To sum Trumpage as 3rd party?

You GO boy! :cool:

[Peter1469]

To sum Trumpage as 3rd party?

You GO boy! :cool:

Don't put words into my mouth.

[Green Arrow]

Assuming Kasich makes the cut .. yes.

If not -- NO

Bush, Rubio, Walker, or Kasich as the nominee would net a Republican the White House in 2016. Almost guaranteed.

Anyone else, though, and you're quite right.

[PolWatch]

Bush, Rubio, Walker, or Kasich as the nominee would net a Republican the White House in 2016. Almost guaranteed.

Anyone else, though, and you're quite right.

What do you think Trump as third party would do to the mix?

[zelmo1234]

Raise your hand if you believe taxes are the work of the devil
Raise your hand if you believe gays should go back in the closet
Raise your hand if you believe if Jesus is coming soon
Raise your hand if you believe outsourcing is wonderful
Raise your hand if you have money off shore
Raise your hand if you believe minimum wage should be lowered
Raise your hand if you've read the Bible this past week
Raise your hand if you think your party is winning the war on women
Raise your hand if you believe Hillary is Satan's sister
Raise your hand if you are in favor of concealed carry
Raise your hand if you are carrying now
Raise your hand if you if you think planned parenthood should be bombed
Raise your hand if you think Bush II was no.2 just behind Reagan
Raise your hand if you shop at Walmart cause you hate unions
Raise your hand if you think healthcare is a privilege of the selected people
Raise your hand if you children and elderly on welfare should work
Raise your hand if you feel a few mass killings is a fair price to pay for a well armed society
Raise your hand if you think public education too radical
Raise your hand if you think maybe slavery could work again
Raise your hand if you hope your run for president pads your pocket with lots of money.

This is a very telling post?

[zelmo1234]

What kind of question is that? "Raise your hand if you believe in education"? Who doesn't believe in education?

Well if there is a Democrat Debate it should be worded like this

Raise your have if you will defend the Union teachers that are ruining the educations system and putting kids on the street that can't read or do basic math, because the DNC needs the Union donations.

The problem is both parties want to improve things but as you can see with my statement above neither is willing to allow anything that the others want.

For example the Democrats want to pay teachers more. Great The Republicans don't want it based on time served but performance.

It would seem that the logical answer is to get Rid of tenure at the pre Collage levels and base the higher pay on the results in the class room, but it will never happen.

[zelmo1234]

Bush, Rubio, Walker, or Kasich as the nominee would net a Republican the White House in 2016. Almost guaranteed.

Anyone else, though, and you're quite right.

I don't think Bush can beat Hilary, they are too much the same person.

[zelmo1234]

I think that this might be the only debate that they could sell on pay per view. I too can't wait to see Trump on stage,

I hope that he pulls no punches. Seeing a politician in a tight spot would make me happy.

[Private Pickle]

I don't think Bush can beat Hilary, they are too much the same person.

Bush would slaughter Hillary. Jeb isn't Georgey...

[Bob]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor

If one does not understand statement A, how can statement B, similar, be understood?

Bo would need to be a republican voter to feel like the debate is christmas eve. And he is not.

[zelmo1234]

Bush would slaughter Hillary. Jeb isn't Georgey...

Jeb is the second most progressive in the race only Christie is to the left of him.

He would need a lot of Democrat party defectors because he is going to loose the 5 to 6 million votes that Romney lost in 2012.

Conservatives are done voting for progressives. And What McConnell and Boehner have done going back on their word is going to make it even harder for a progressive Republican to get elected.

[Bob]

I think that this might be the only debate that they could sell on pay per view. I too can't wait to see Trump on stage,

I hope that he pulls no punches. Seeing a politician in a tight spot would make me happy.

Zelmo my friend, it is time to blame voters. Politicians live among voters. One day they are merely a voter and the next they are a politician.

Democrats can't change their stripes often. I am watching Bob Menendez object to Obama/Kerry deal with Iran yet I do not believe he is on the verge of being a republican. He is no Zell Miller. Zell suddenly turned honest.

If a person is in love with illegals, he votes Democratic. If he is in love with super low taxes for him but super high taxes for other groups, he votes Democratic. If he believes in military protection for the USA he votes republican. If he believes in FAIR taxes, he votes republican.

[zelmo1234]

Zelmo my friend, it is time to blame voters. Politicians live among voters. One day they are merely a voter and the next they are a politician.

Democrats can't change their stripes often. I am watching Bob Menendez object to Obama/Kerry deal with Iran yet I do not believe he is on the verge of being a republican. He is no Zell Miller. Zell suddenly turned honest.

If a person is in love with illegals, he votes Democratic. If he is in love with super low taxes for him but super high taxes for other groups, he votes Democratic. If he believes in military protection for the USA he votes republican. If he believes in FAIR taxes, he votes republican.

Really? What did your Republican lead Senate and House do about the illegal executive order Amnesty?

What did GWB do about Immigration?

You are blind. The house and Senate could have defunded the ACA, Amnesty and closed the border these are all budget items, and they only take 51 votes.

But they did not Bob, because they did not want too.

You keep voting for progressive republicans and you will never have anything any different.

What do you think that Bush would do different than Hillary?

[Private Pickle]

Jeb is the second most progressive in the race only Christie is to the left of him.

He would need a lot of Democrat party defectors because he is going to loose the 5 to 6 million votes that Romney lost in 2012.

Conservatives are done voting for progressives. And What McConnell and Boehner have done going back on their word is going to make it even harder for a progressive Republican to get elected.

Yeah but Hillary isn't Obama. I don't think those 5 - 6 million would have switched if it were Hillary.

[Bob]

This may not make sense to anybody other than myself, but let's give it a try.

To compare politics to something the public wants is in this case, going to be music.

Some love classical. If you offer them that, they vote for you.

Some love country and hate classical. They won't vote classical but will vote if you promise them country.

That ought to be enough metaphors for one day.

The deal is what sounds good to you?

If you hate the rich, you want them punished. If a candidate tells you he will cut taxes, you looked puzzled since your taxes are already super low. Thanks to Bush and Reagan. We squeezed that lemon so hard the poor pay no income taxes but for piddly on employment shared taxes. They don't pay no $100,000 in income taxes. The middle class does not either. They pay far less. They know how to add. If each middle class person paid $100,000 minimum, they would suddenly get interested in cutting taxes.

Since the rich are the target of the Democrats, to gather votes, republicans have to also make the rich their target.

Will they in 2016? I don't know. Trump might.

[birddog]

What do you think Trump as third party would do to the mix?

It would be very similar to Ross Perot in 92. If Perot had not got out, then back in, he might have won. He could have won as could Trump by assuring no one gets 270 EC votes, then it goes to the House, and likely votes could be gotten from both sides of the aisle.

Unlikely, but possible.

[zelmo1234]

Yeah but Hillary isn't Obama. I don't think those 5 - 6 million would have switched if it were Hillary.

I thought that Republicans hated Black people? Now they hate Women more than Black people?

I will give you a hint, they did not vote for Obama, they just did not vote for President and it had nothing to do with Obama. Romney is a good person, but he is a progressive and Conservatives are not voting for Progressives. The lesser of two evils is evil

[birddog]

Jeb is the second most progressive in the race only Christie is to the left of him.

He would need a lot of Democrat party defectors because he is going to loose the 5 to 6 million votes that Romney lost in 2012.

Conservatives are done voting for progressives. And What McConnell and Boehner have done going back on their word is going to make it even harder for a progressive Republican to get elected.

I daresay Jeb would fare better than Romney's losing 5-6 million votes. Romney's being Morman likely contributed to many fundamentals not voting. Jeb will not lose as many there. Also, voters are more butt hurt from Obama's incompetence than they were in 08, and will respond better.

[zelmo1234]

I daresay Jeb would fare better than Romney's losing 5-6 million votes. Romney's being Morman likely contributed to many fundamentals not voting. Jeb will not lose as many there. Also, voters are more butt hurt from Obama's incompetence than they were in 08, and will respond better.

First is was 2012. And I am one of many in my area that did not vote for Romney. And it had nothing to do with him being Mormon, it have everything to do with his progressive policies while he was Gov. and with his words in the election cycle. And I like Romney as a person but Carter was a good person too. Just made a shitty president.

[Bob]

Really? What did your Republican lead Senate and House do about the illegal executive order Amnesty?

What did GWB do about Immigration?

You are blind. The house and Senate could have defunded the ACA, Amnesty and closed the border these are all budget items, and they only take 51 votes.

But they did not Bob, because they did not want too.

You keep voting for progressive republicans and you will never have anything any different.

What do you think that Bush would do different than Hillary?

Though they had the house, prior to this year, they did not have the Senate. And they don't have the Senate locked up as they do the house. I don't wish to give you a lesson on how the house/senate work, but keep in mind the filibuster and other blocking moves.

Take the Supreme Court for instance. We feel some of the Justices corrupt the court.

I think you will agree to that. We think Roberts did a fine job in some cases and stunk the place up in other cases.

GWB could not fight the congress by himself. Obama learned that once the republicans got a huge lead in the house. The house rules are also different than those in the Senate.

How many times have the republicans voted to get rid of ACA? Over 50 times?

Bush did manage to get a lot of the border closed. Most paid next to no attention but much of the fencing and guards hired came due to what Bush did. Obama has tried to unfix the border so he can't be taking credit for the fences.

What would Jeb do different than Hillary?

To be blunt, i am looking more at Walker or Kasich than Jeb. When one listens well to Jeb, he actually sounds okay. His wife coming from Mexico is a problem for him as I see this. It will be used against him if he blocks all Mexicans by some and against him if he does not block Mexicans. He can't win.

[Bob]

First is was 2012. And I am one of many in my area that did not vote for Romney. And it had nothing to do with him being Mormon, it have everything to do with his progressive policies while he was Gov. and with his words in the election cycle. And I like Romney as a person but Carter was a good person too. Just made a shitty president.

Essentially, Mormons are Republicans. Take a good look at how Utah is run. Romney ran to govern in MA a dedicated left wing state. He never could get elected there and not give those living there a dose of socialism.

Mormons are really giving human beings. They don't flaunt it, but they are huge in charity to all others. They went to New Orleans during Katrina aftermath to help those people recover. Politically they vote republican mostly yet still find a way to show heart to others no matter their religion.

Romney is an exceptional human being. Too bad he ran to be president but he is an awesome human and should have won. He was much better than Obama. By voting against him, you voted in Obama.

Democrats candidates are crap but they stick behind themselves and don't let things that bother you bother them. They will vote for Hillary if she was in prison. They don't care about things like that.

[zelmo1234]

Essentially, Mormons are Republicans. Take a good look at how Utah is run. Romney ran to govern in MA a dedicated left wing state. He never could get elected there and not give those living there a dose of socialism.

Mormons are really giving human beings. They don't flaunt it, but they are huge in charity to all others. They went to New Orleans during Katrina aftermath to help those people recover. Politically they vote republican mostly yet still find a way to show heart to others no matter their religion.

Romney is an exceptional human being. Too bad he ran to be president but he is an awesome human and should have won. He was much better than Obama. By voting against him, you voted in Obama.

Democrats candidates are crap but they stick behind themselves and don't let things that bother you bother them. They will vote for Hillary if she was in prison. They don't care about things like that.

Bob, Romney would not have done anything different.

And Defunding things only takes 51 votes it does not require the 60 needed for other procedures

You are running cover for them. They promised that if we gave them the Senate they would defund these and start fighting, they approved a larger deficit and funded everything that Obama wanted funded.

You are blind to the Republican name brand, they are not conservative anymore. And they won't ever be again unless people stop putting up with there shit.

[Bob]

Bob, Romney would not have done anything different.

And Defunding things only takes 51 votes it does not require the 60 needed for other procedures

You are running cover for them. They promised that if we gave them the Senate they would defund these and start fighting, they approved a larger deficit and funded everything that Obama wanted funded.

You are blind to the Republican name brand, they are not conservative anymore. And they won't ever be again unless people stop putting up with there shit.

They defunded it only to have Obama veto them.

Romney would have been so much better. And he would not govern the way Obama has. We lost a very good man by his defeat.

You need 67 votes to override Obama. Democrats won't allow a veto to be overridden.

I am running cover the way you run cover for a person you like.

They don't have the Senate. They need 67 then they have the Senate. That more than likely won't happen. Voters of your thinking will give us Hillary and she is no friend of yours.

Obama got a haircut on spending. Forced by republicans, we call it sequestration.

I may seem to love republicans. I admit my words can make you think that. But that is not true either.

To not vote in republicans hands it right back to Democrats. They have more than the ACA to toss at you. If you and I refuse to vote Rs, they will assume you and I are in love with Democrats progressive policies.

If they are correct, we can't blame Democrats because they can be counted on to vote for the Ds. They are not confused as so many republicans are.

Republicans must understand how DC actually operates and remove those rose glasses where they think something like the Libertarians can govern. They are flat unable to govern.

I feel this way.

There are but two teams that win DC.

Either one votes D or one votes R.

From a very practical point of view, you can't see any 3rd party as a winner. They will never win.

The Ds are so clever. They take your money from you, dole it out to others and pretend they gave up their own cash. If you are not careful, you will vote in more of them. I am sure of the belief there is wrong with the republicans. But I look at the wrong in the public. If the public loves what Democrats offer, you lose and I lose and the public loses though they think they won. They don't look at the national debt or deficits as you and I do.

[Peter1469]

Do Mormons like the corrupt Reid?


Essentially, Mormons are Republicans. Take a good look at how Utah is run. Romney ran to govern in MA a dedicated left wing state. He never could get elected there and not give those living there a dose of socialism.

Mormons are really giving human beings. They don't flaunt it, but they are huge in charity to all others. They went to New Orleans during Katrina aftermath to help those people recover. Politically they vote republican mostly yet still find a way to show heart to others no matter their religion.

Romney is an exceptional human being. Too bad he ran to be president but he is an awesome human and should have won. He was much better than Obama. By voting against him, you voted in Obama.

Democrats candidates are crap but they stick behind themselves and don't let things that bother you bother them. They will vote for Hillary if she was in prison. They don't care about things like that.

[birddog]

First is was 2012. And I am one of many in my area that did not vote for Romney. And it had nothing to do with him being Mormon, it have everything to do with his progressive policies while he was Gov. and with his words in the election cycle. And I like Romney as a person but Carter was a good person too. Just made a $#@!ty president.

Sorry, I meant 2012. His progressive history was admittedly a factor, but so was the mormanism.

[Bob]

Do Mormons like the corrupt Reid?

I don't like Reid. To be frank, as a rule, Mormons don't talk politics around each other.

[Bob]

Sorry, I meant 2012. His progressive history was admittedly a factor, but so was the mormanism.

A lot of voters shunned him over him being a Mormon. Notice Reid also a Mormon did just fine.

[maineman]

A lot of voters shunned him over him being a Mormon. Notice Reid also a Mormon did just fine.

Nevada, the state, has a large mormon population. The United States, the country, does not.

[Bob]

Nevada, the state, has a large mormon population. The United States, the country, does not.

First time I heard or rather read that said. Being next to Utah, it sort of makes sense.

[domer76]

There is a high probability that one of the debaters will be the next POTUS.

Slim to none is not a high probability

[domer76]

Well if there is a Democrat Debate it should be worded like this

Raise your have if you will defend the Union teachers that are ruining the educations system and putting kids on the street that can't read or do basic math, because the DNC needs the Union donations.

The problem is both parties want to improve things but as you can see with my statement above neither is willing to allow anything that the others want.

For example the Democrats want to pay teachers more. Great The Republicans don't want it based on time served but performance.

It would seem that the logical answer is to get Rid of tenure at the pre Collage levels and base the higher pay on the results in the class room, but it will never happen.


That would be a Democratic debate. I see you received a conservative education.

[domer76]

Jeb is the second most progressive in the race only Christie is to the left of him.

He would need a lot of Democrat party defectors because he is going to loose the 5 to 6 million votes that Romney lost in 2012.

Conservatives are done voting for progressives. And What McConnell and Boehner have done going back on their word is going to make it even harder for a progressive Republican to get elected.

That would be Democratic Party. Conservative education?

[domer76]

I don't like Reid. To be frank, as a rule, Mormons don't talk politics around each other.

No, sure they don't. The Prop 8 thing in California wasn't political at all.

[domer76]

First time I heard or rather read that said. Being next to Utah, it sort of makes sense.

A couple of the highest grossing gambling/lottery sites are exactly on the border with Utah. Go figure.

[Bob]

No, sure they don't. The Prop 8 thing in California wasn't political at all.

And it won on the ballot.



Proposition 8


Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment




Results



Votes
Of total


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/14px-Yes_check.svg.png Yes
7,001,084
52.24%


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/14px-X_mark.svg.png No
6,401,482
47.76%


Valid votes
13,402,566
97.52%


Invalid or blank votes
340,611
2.48%


Total votes
13,743,177
100.00%


Voter turnout
79.42%


Electorate
17,304,428







It was not talking of same sex.

it defined marriage as one man to one woman. Short and sweet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

[domer76]

And it won on the ballot.



Proposition 8


Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment




Results



Votes
Of total


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/14px-Yes_check.svg.png Yes
7,001,084
52.24%


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/14px-X_mark.svg.png No
6,401,482
47.76%


Valid votes
13,402,566
97.52%


Invalid or blank votes
340,611
2.48%


Total votes
13,743,177
100.00%


Voter turnout
79.42%


Electorate
17,304,428







It was not talking of same sex.

it defined marriage as one man to one woman. Short and sweet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

Yep. Mormons never discuss politics....

[Bob]

Yep. Mormons never discuss politics....

I did not understand that you are a Mormon.

[Mini Me]

Jeb is the second most progressive in the race only Christie is to the left of him.

He would need a lot of Democrat party defectors because he is going to loose the 5 to 6 million votes that Romney lost in 2012.

Conservatives are done voting for progressives. And What McConnell and Boehner have done going back on their word is going to make it even harder for a progressive Republican to get elected.

Oxymoron; "progressive Rethuglican"

Thanks for the laughs!

[Green Arrow]

What do you think Trump as third party would do to the mix?

That's a tough one. It would depend on how many conservatives were willing to vote Trump over the GOP nominee. I don't think he'd claim enough of the vote to play spoiler.

[texan]

Raise your hand if you believe taxes are the work of the devil
Raise your hand if you believe gays should go back in the closet
Raise your hand if you believe if Jesus is coming soon
Raise your hand if you believe outsourcing is wonderful
Raise your hand if you have money off shore
Raise your hand if you believe minimum wage should be lowered
Raise your hand if you've read the Bible this past week
Raise your hand if you think your party is winning the war on women
Raise your hand if you believe Hillary is Satan's sister
Raise your hand if you are in favor of concealed carry
Raise your hand if you are carrying now
Raise your hand if you if you think planned parenthood should be bombed
Raise your hand if you think Bush II was no.2 just behind Reagan
Raise your hand if you shop at Walmart cause you hate unions
Raise your hand if you think healthcare is a privilege of the selected people
Raise your hand if you children and elderly on welfare should work
Raise your hand if you feel a few mass killings is a fair price to pay for a well armed society
Raise your hand if you think public education too radical
Raise your hand if you think maybe slavery could work again
Raise your hand if you hope your run for president pads your pocket with lots of money.

​Raise your hand if you are tired of the democrats economy?

[texan]

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[domer76]

I did not understand that you are a Mormon.

I'm from Idaho, Bob. You can't swing a stick without hitting one.

[texan]

First of all Romney just ran for President, so Bob you are little off base.

[PolWatch]

That's a tough one. It would depend on how many conservatives were willing to vote Trump over the GOP nominee. I don't think he'd claim enough of the vote to play spoiler.

Trump's campaign is very similar to Perot's. Trump is leading all the repub nominees.

'At one point in June, Perot led the polls with 39% (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton)'

Clinton was not the front runner until Perot splintered the repub party. Trump may accomplish the same in 2016. If the right wing of the repub party is disgusted with the more centrist nominees, I think they will stay home. It would not matter if Trump runs as a third party candidate or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot

[Peter1469]

Trump's campaign is very similar to Perot's. Trump is leading all the repub nominees.

'At one point in June, Perot led the polls with 39% (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton)'

Clinton was not the front runner until Perot splintered the repub party. Trump may accomplish the same in 2016. If the right wing of the repub party is disgusted with the more centrist nominees, I think they will stay home. It would not matter if Trump runs as a third party candidate or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot

Right Trump appeals to populists not conservatives. If a person has both traits populism is the driving force.

[Green Arrow]

How in the hell does Trump appeal to populists? It makes no sense. Trump is as far from a populist as you can get.

[PolWatch]

By definition, a populist is someone who appeals to the common people....which is what Trump is doing. I don't think he is a candidate for the Populist Party.

[Peter1469]

How in the hell does Trump appeal to populists? It makes no sense. Trump is as far from a populist as you can get.

He appeals to poeple fed up with politics as usual. Words not action. Populism.

[Green Arrow]

By definition, a populist is someone who appeals to the common people....which is what Trump is doing. I don't think he is a candidate for the Populist Party.

I guess I just don't understand how a man with a net worth of $4.1 billion, annual salary of $250 million, and a wealthy upbringing appeals to the common people.

[Peter1469]

I guess I just don't understand how a man with a net worth of $4.1 billion, annual salary of $250 million, and a wealthy upbringing appeals to the common people.

By saying what is on his mind rather than answering with canned, faked, mealy-mouth answers.

[Green Arrow]

What comes out of his mouth is "I'm Jesus, worship me peasants!"

[Peter1469]

A lot of people appear to disagree.

[Green Arrow]

People can disagree with facts all they want, they are still facts. Facts are that Trump has never experienced the world of the common man, and in fact, he loathes the common man. He thinks he is G-d's greatest creation. He preaches against illegal immigration while employing illegals.

Trump is in this race for one thing: Trump.

[Peter1469]

Wealthy people have been populist leaders before.. Some old dead Roman dude (Cato?) said I never said that I was a man of the people, but I like to think that I am a man for the people.

Trump is a populist leader.

[PolWatch]

I guess I just don't understand how a man with a net worth of $4.1 billion, annual salary of $250 million, and a wealthy upbringing appeals to the common people.

hmm....some people believe that reality shows are real. Some people believe that wrestling is real. Some people believe that a man from a wealthy New England family is a good ole boy from Texas.

[donttread]

I just don't quite know what to expect. Some are saying that Trump will play Mr. Nice Guy but i don't see that happening. The dude us a wild animal and if he sees an opening, he'll pounce.

So how do the other candidates handle it. Do they turn a cheek or go back at him. Pretty sure they've all got a few zingers in their pocket.

And what about the mods? Pretty good ones IMHO in Kelly, Wallace and Baier. Kelly especially, because Trump doesn't react well to strong females. And rest assured she'll go after him to make a moment for herself.

And with so many on the stage, how about a few questions involving a show of hands in the interest of saving time? Who could forget the iconic moment in 2011 when Baier asked (in so many words) 'would you walk away from a ten to one deal where there would be a dollar in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts?'

All eight sheepishly raised their hands!

Here are a few more like that which would be fascinating:



Raise your hand if you believe in evolution
Raise your hand if you believe in climate change
Raise your hand if you would deport all 11 million illegal aliens

Any others? :cool:

And what about this one (won't happen but it'd sure be fun!) ...

Going left to right, who is your favorite billionaire.

:rofl:

Raise your hand if you believe the winner of this debate, the nomination or the election will make zero difference in our plight unless you reach outside the ranks of the boughts and the paid fors

[Bob]

I'm from Idaho, Bob. You can't swing a stick without hitting one.

You must be black and blue.

[Bob]

I guess I just don't understand how a man with a net worth of $4.1 billion, annual salary of $250 million, and a wealthy upbringing appeals to the common people.

I get a lot of Pro Trump mail and believe me, they like his frank, no holds barred, to the point talk.

Trumps business experience while great, lacks meeting my test of having government experience.

It amazes me how many from many ideas congregate about Trump.

It costs money to spread ideas and Trump has the money and is willing to use his money.

What is wrong with that?

[Bob]

Nevada, the state, has a large mormon population. The United States, the country, does not.

Actually we have a small population in Nevada.

Nevada has over 2.8 million population and we have under 180,000 members as residents.

A brief history can be found at MormonNewsroom.org.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_Nevada#cite_note-MormonNewsroom-3)
Nevada Membership History[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latt er-day_Saints_in_Nevada&action=edit&section=2)]

Year
Membership


1920
2,328


1930
5,319


1940
9,139


1950
14,223


1960
23,890


1970
44,282


1980
71,462


1990
110,060


1999
143,372


2007
172,330


2008
173,639


2012
178,737

[Bob]

No, sure they don't. The Prop 8 thing in California wasn't political at all.

During Proposition 8, I was not then attending church. Yes, we believe marriage is a man to a woman. Been that way since the post caveman era.

[Bo-4]

I'm from Idaho, Bob. You can't swing a stick without hitting one.

LoL! So true domer76 .. Four out of six of my closest neighbors think they'll be going to The Planet Kolob someday.

And when i see their little friends on bicycles come around.. i keep a very low profile. ;-)

http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/files/2012/07/mitt-romney-mormon.gif

[Bo-4]

During Proposition 8, I was not then attending church. Yes, we believe marriage is a man to a woman. Been that way since the post caveman era.

No @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013), marriage did not exist in the caveman era. But i can damn well guarantee you that gays did! :cool:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8433527/First-homosexual-caveman-found.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/homosexuality-history-cause-transgender-men-gay-bilateral-512252

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzsdkzL7iH1qcvsu9.png

[domer76]

During Proposition 8, I was not then attending church. Yes, we believe marriage is a man to a woman. Been that way since the post caveman era.

Some are still in the caveman era, Bob

[The Sage of Main Street]

By definition, a populist is someone who appeals to the common people....which is what Trump is doing. I don't think he is a candidate for the Populist Party. True, but a populist should be someone who comes from the common people, which Trump certainly does not. So he is a demagogue, using resentment just to take over his own class and keep it all to himself.

During the French Revolution, the masses were only used for guillotining the aristocrats. They were never given any political power. Marx, Lenin, and Castro were also upper-class power freaks posing as populists.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I just don't quite know what to expect. Some are saying that Trump will play Mr. Nice Guy but i don't see that happening. The dude us a wild animal and if he sees an opening, he'll pounce.

So how do the other candidates handle it. Do they turn a cheek or go back at him. Pretty sure they've all got a few zingers in their pocket.

And what about the mods? Pretty good ones IMHO in Kelly, Wallace and Baier. Kelly especially, because Trump doesn't react well to strong females. And rest assured she'll go after him to make a moment for herself.

And with so many on the stage, how about a few questions involving a show of hands in the interest of saving time? Who could forget the iconic moment in 2011 when Baier asked (in so many words) 'would you walk away from a ten to one deal where there would be a dollar in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts?'

All eight sheepishly raised their hands!

Here are a few more like that which would be fascinating:



Raise your hand if you believe in evolution
Raise your hand if you believe in climate change
Raise your hand if you would deport all 11 million illegal aliens


Any others? :cool:

And what about this one (won't happen but it'd sure be fun!) ...

Going left to right, who is your favorite billionaire.

:rofl: Is there room left for Moe, Larry, and Curly?

[Bob]

No @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013), marriage did not exist in the caveman era. But i can damn well guarantee you that gays did! :cool:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8433527/First-homosexual-caveman-found.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/homosexuality-history-cause-transgender-men-gay-bilateral-512252



May i say, marriage procreates children. Homosexuals objective is not for a man with the man, procreate.

Explain what men homoxexuals do with their sexual organs?

[Bob]

Some are still in the caveman era, Bob

I believe, and have long argued this, marriage is more for the children, than the parents. Women bear men's children. Trying to be polite here, but the male organ for sex is not suited to the rectum. That also spread aids. The female won't get the male organ since she is with the woman.

Both parties need the opposite sex to have children. That is how it is supposed to be. I make no moral judgement but I voted to give homosexuals rights in CA. I think we got bushwhacked by homosexuals when they took us to court to change our constitution.

[domer76]

I believe, and have long argued this, marriage is more for the children, than the parents. Women bear men's children. Trying to be polite here, but the male organ for sex is not suited to the rectum. That also spread aids. The female won't get the male organ since she is with the woman.

Both parties need the opposite sex to have children. That is how it is supposed to be. I make no moral judgement but I voted to give homosexuals rights in CA. I think we got bushwhacked by homosexuals when they took us to court to change our constitution.

That's all good and well, Bob, if you believe that procreation is the only reason for marriage. You being a Mormon, I get that. Your religion is all about procreation. But, for many, there's more to it than just that. Those are the ones you wished, but failed, to exclude.

[Cigar]

I just don't quite know what to expect. Some are saying that Trump will play Mr. Nice Guy but i don't see that happening. The dude us a wild animal and if he sees an opening, he'll pounce.

So how do the other candidates handle it. Do they turn a cheek or go back at him. Pretty sure they've all got a few zingers in their pocket.

And what about the mods? Pretty good ones IMHO in Kelly, Wallace and Baier. Kelly especially, because Trump doesn't react well to strong females. And rest assured she'll go after him to make a moment for herself.

And with so many on the stage, how about a few questions involving a show of hands in the interest of saving time? Who could forget the iconic moment in 2011 when Baier asked (in so many words) 'would you walk away from a ten to one deal where there would be a dollar in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts?'

All eight sheepishly raised their hands!

Here are a few more like that which would be fascinating:



Raise your hand if you believe in evolution
Raise your hand if you believe in climate change
Raise your hand if you would deport all 11 million illegal aliens


Any others? :cool:

And what about this one (won't happen but it'd sure be fun!) ...

Going left to right, who is your favorite billionaire.

:rofl:

http://media.giphy.com/media/hDwYu8UEcUone/giphy.gif

[zelmo1234]

No @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013), marriage did not exist in the caveman era. But i can $#@! well guarantee you that gays did! :cool:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8433527/First-homosexual-caveman-found.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/homosexuality-history-cause-transgender-men-gay-bilateral-512252

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzsdkzL7iH1qcvsu9.png

I would like to see your proof on that?

[Bob]

That's all good and well, Bob, if you believe that procreation is the only reason for marriage. You being a Mormon, I get that. Your religion is all about procreation. But, for many, there's more to it than just that. Those are the ones you wished, but failed, to exclude.

My views are never to support my church. No issues concerning government were formed for me by church.

99 percent of my views were formed as an inactive member.

Marriage goes back a long long time. Marriage was well known to the Romans and prior to that, the Greeks.

Men could simply grab the best looking woman by standards of their day and rape her to have kids.

But what happens to the kids?

They can't care for themselves. The mother was not a hunter. Early on, she could only gather.

My issue centers most on the children.

The why is easy. Even in courts of law, family court is where they go to settle divorces.

And why family court? Generally there are children at stake.

The male homosexual needs no protection.

The male wants something else. They expect to profit off marriage.

It is not love at all, it is pure old money to homosexuals, male and female.

So, don't chide me over me discussing marriage for the children.

[Bo-4]

May i say, marriage procreates children. Homosexuals objective is not for a man with the man, procreate.

Explain what men homoxexuals do with their sexual organs?

I'm not really interested in what homosexuals do with their organs Bob, but understand that you must ponder this question often.

I'm sure they have fun with them just like everybody else, and i also know that most gay men do not practice anal sex.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-10/iu-nsf101811.php

Procreation? A record number of hetero married couples are choosing not to have children,

It's a good thing. We honestly don't need any more Osmond Family baby factories. ;)

http://static.oprah.com/images/tows/201104/20110407-oprah-producer-moments-9-600x411.jpg

[Bo-4]

I would like to see your proof on that?

Proof is contained in the links.

[Mac-7]

Raise your hand if you believe taxes are the work of the devil


Translation:

if you believe in some taxes you must accept all taxes and any tax rate.

Liberals must feed their bloated welfare state.

[domer76]

My views are never to support my church. No issues concerning government were formed for me by church.

99 percent of my views were formed as an inactive member.

Marriage goes back a long long time. Marriage was well known to the Romans and prior to that, the Greeks.

Men could simply grab the best looking woman by standards of their day and rape her to have kids.

But what happens to the kids?

They can't care for themselves. The mother was not a hunter. Early on, she could only gather.

My issue centers most on the children.

The why is easy. Even in courts of law, family court is where they go to settle divorces.

And why family court? Generally there are children at stake.

The male homosexual needs no protection.

The male wants something else. They expect to profit off marriage.

It is not love at all, it is pure old money to homosexuals, male and female.



So, don't chide me over me discussing marriage for the children.

You missed the point entirely. Drop children from the marriage equation. A good many exist with kids. That was the point

[domer76]

Translation:

if you believe in some taxes you must accept all taxes and any tax rate.

Liberals must feed their bloated welfare state.

Nope. How can any one person be so wrong, so often, on so many levels?

[The Sage of Main Street]

Translation:

if you believe in some taxes you must accept all taxes and any tax rate.

Liberals must feed their bloated welfare state. Profit is a tax on employees and costumers. Excess profits are as damaging as excess taxes. The fatcats waste their unearned surplus on their degenerate lifestyle, which is as bad as government waste on self-indulgent political fantasies.

[Bob]

You missed the point entirely. Drop children from the marriage equation. A good many exist with kids. That was the point

One more try in favor of the children.

Prior to marriage, what took place over the children?

There was a need for marriage.

What do you believe marriage was invented to do?

It was not tax benefits. It was not so one can tell a hospital what to do.

[Mac-7]

Nope. How can any one person be so wrong, so often, on so many levels?

Liberals never saw a tax they didn't like.

[Mac-7]

Profit is a tax on employees and costumers. Excess profits are as damaging as excess taxes. The fatcats waste their unearned surplus on their degenerate lifestyle, which is as bad as government waste on self-indulgent political fantasies.

A profit is really a tax?

I don't have to buy your overpriced price of junk if I don't want to.

So you don't have the power to tax me.

But the government tax collectors never take "no" for an answer.

[domer76]

Liberals never saw a tax they didn't like.

His post was a lie, Mac

[Mac-7]

His post was a lie, Mac

Its hard to find a lib who is against raising taxes - particularly taxes on the rich.

[domer76]

One more try in favor of the children.

Prior to marriage, what took place over the children?

There was a need for marriage.

What do you believe marriage was invented to do?

It was not tax benefits. It was not so one can tell a hospital what to do.

Viagra was invented to make dicks stiff. They found out it had other applications. Marriage ain't just for procreation anymore, Bob.

[domer76]

A profit is really a tax?

I don't gave to buy your overpriced price of junk if I don't want to.

So you don't have the power to tax me.

But the government tax collectors never take "no" for an answer.

You can most certainly refuse, Mac

[Mac-7]

You can most certainly refuse, Mac

I can't refuse to pay the government tax without suffering serious damage to my freedom.

That is a real tax.

not the bullshit claim that profits in the private sector is a tax.

[Bob]

Viagra was invented to make dicks stiff. They found out it had other applications. Marriage ain't just for procreation anymore, Bob.

Sorry you went dumb on me.

What was marriage invented for?

[The Sage of Main Street]

A profit is really a tax?

I don't have to buy your overpriced price of junk if I don't want to.

So you don't have the power to tax me. You're forced to buy someone else's overpriced piece of junk then. Also, the profit-tax on the employees is practically the same everywhere. Unlike the way it is imagined in the free-market fantasy they all sell us, they're all in it together. They compete only to see who can get away with the most cheating. Choice is an illusion if there is an imbalance of power. It is a uTOPia for plutocratic parasites.

[Bo-4]

Its hard to find a lib who is against raising taxes - particularly taxes on the rich.

Are you a multi-millionaire Mac-7?

If not, when did you last feel the trickle-down or jobs creation from Mitt Romney's offshore bank accounts or 100 million dollar IRA?

[Mac-7]

You're forced to buy someone else's overpriced piece of junk then.

You mean everything is overpriced?

I don't think so.

Smart consumers can comparison shop and find better buys than what they can get on the Shopping Channel.

But I would not describe most obumer voters demanding higher taxes on OTHER PEOPLE as smart about anything.

[The Sage of Main Street]

You mean everything is overpriced?

I don't think so.

Smart consumers can comparison shop and find better buys than what they can get on the Shopping Channel.

But I would not describe most obumer voters demanding higher taxes on OTHER PEOPLE as smart about anything. "Rational consumer" is another Capitaliban superstition. We need profit controls just like we need limits on Big Government.