In North Carolina, protection for monuments!

[Archer0915]

http://rowanfreepress.com/2015/07/23/governor-mccrory-signs-senate-bill-22-cultural-history-artifact-management-and-patriotism-act-protecting-monuments-and-flags/

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2015&BillID=S22


A BILL TO BE ENTITLED2 AN ACT TO ENSURE RESPECTFUL TREATMENT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG AND3 THE NORTH CAROLINA FLAG BY STATE AGENCIES AND OTHER POLITICAL4 SUBDIVISIONS OF THE STATE; TO ESTABLISH THE DIVISION OF VETERANS5 AFFAIRS AS THE CLEARINGHOUSE FOR THE DISPOSAL OF WORN, TATTERED,6 AND DAMAGED FLAGS; TO PROVIDE FOR THE PROTECTION OF MONUMENTS7 AND MEMORIALS COMMEMORATING EVENTS, PERSONS, AND MILITARY8 SERVICE IN NORTH CAROLINA HISTORY; AND TO TRANSFER CUSTODY OF9 CERTAIN HISTORIC DOCUMENTS IN THE POSSESSION OF THE OFFICE OF THE10 SECRETARY OF STATE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CULTURAL RESOURCES11 AND TO FACILITATE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THESE DOCUMENTS.

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015/Bills/Senate/PDF/S22v3.pdf

[Ethereal]

Respectful treatment of the "American" flag?

In other words, they want to criminalize freedom of speech and expression?

[Captain Obvious]

Respectful treatment of the "American" flag?

In other words, they want to criminalize freedom of speech and expression?

Freedom no longer frees you

[Archer0915]

Respectful treatment of the "American" flag?

In other words, they want to criminalize freedom of speech and expression?

Read it all. Burn your own flag. Desecrate a flag on state property, that happens to belong to the state... nuther ball game.

Vandalized a monument? Nope not here.

even this one:
http://i1.wp.com/topconservativenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/black_panther_thugs.jpg?resize=560%2C420

[Cigar]

Respectful treatment of the "American" flag?

In other words, they want to criminalize freedom of speech and expression?

You can always go to another country and disrespect their Flag for your freedom of speech and expression. :laugh:

[Archer0915]

You can always go to another country and disrespect their Flag for your freedom of speech and expression. :laugh:

He can still burn flags Cigar, just not the ones that belong to the state or others. He can buy his own and burn it, but in NC it can get you killed in many areas.

[Ethereal]

Read it all. Burn your own flag. Desecrate a flag on state property, that happens to belong to the state... nuther ball game.

Vandalized a monument? Nope not here.

even this one:
http://i1.wp.com/topconservativenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/black_panther_thugs.jpg?resize=560%2C420

They need a law against destroying public property? I would assume that such a law already exists.

[Cigar]

He can still burn flags @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294), just not the ones that belong to the state or others. He can buy his own and burn it, but in NC it can get you killed in many areas.

I never could understand the Burning of any Flag ... :laugh:

I have White Bed Sheets and I don't Burn Them, I sleep on them. :grin:

[Ethereal]

You can always go to another country and disrespect their Flag for your freedom of speech and expression. :laugh:

Or maybe you should go to a country that doesn't have freedom of speech and expression codified in their constitution so that you can trample on people's rights with impunity. Perhaps North Korea would be more to your liking?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Ethereal]

He can still burn flags @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294), just not the ones that belong to the state or others. He can buy his own and burn it, but in NC it can get you killed in many areas.

Anyone who tries to hurt another person for engaging in freedom of speech is an anti-American savage who belongs in a prison cell or six feet underground.

[Ethereal]

I never could understand the Burning of any Flag ... :laugh:

I have White Bed Sheets and I don't Burn Them, I sleep on them. :grin:

Nobody cares if you understand it or not. It's a right guaranteed by the first amendment of the constitution. If you don't like it, then move to North Korea where there is no freedom of speech and people worship the state. I'm sure you will feel more at home there.

[Archer0915]

Anyone who tries to hurt another person for engaging in freedom of speech is an anti-American savage who belongs in a prison cell or six feet underground.

Sure it is freedom of speech but with it may come consequences. Still they are not talking about desecrating your own flags.

[Archer0915]

Nobody cares if you understand it or not. It's a right guaranteed by the first amendment of the constitution. If you don't like it, then move to North Korea where there is no freedom of speech and people worship the state. I'm sure you will feel more at home there.

Or understand that Speech does not involve fire!

It was not the intent of the first.

[sachem]

I hate these "feel good" laws that basically restate laws already in existence. Political pandering.

[Ethereal]

Sure it is freedom of speech but with it may come consequences. Still they are not talking about desecrating your own flags.

Anyone trying to infringe on my first amendment rights will be introduced to my second amendment rights.

[Ethereal]

Or understand that Speech does not involve fire!

It was not the intent of the first.

And what about private property rights? If I buy a flag, it's mine to burn, is it not?

[PolWatch]

I hate these "feel good" laws that basically restate laws already in existence. Political pandering.

Reelection legislation: it keeps the politicians from doing anything meaningful....sometimes that's a good thing. They can brag about how they are protecting something or the other....even if the something wasn't under attack and there are already laws on the books covering the other.

[Archer0915]

Anyone trying to infringe on my first amendment rights will be introduced to my second amendment rights.

And you come in my yard I will let you meet my 2nd. You go and deface public property you may meet the second around here as well.

Do you think you have a right to destroy state, federal, municipal or private property?

[Ethereal]

And you come in my yard I will let you meet my 2nd. You go and deface public property you may meet the second around here as well.

Except I'm not trying to do any of those things, and there are already laws against trespassing and defacing public property, so what is the purpose of these if not to infringe on my right to freedom of expression and private property?

[Archer0915]

And what about private property rights? If I buy a flag, it's mine to burn, is it not?

Man I said as much. This is only about government, municipal, private property.

[Ethereal]

Man I said as much. This is only about government, municipal, private property.

There are already laws against defacing and destroying public and private property.

[Archer0915]

Except I'm not trying to do any of those things, and there are already laws against trespassing and defacing public property, so what is the purpose of these if not to infringe on my right to freedom of expression and private property?

And I agree. This was to give teeth to the laws and prevent municipalities or private groups from desecrating historic or public items. Like digging up dead people.

[Archer0915]

There are already laws against defacing and destroying public and private property.

And how many were jailed for pulling down the US flag in Baltimore?

[Cigar]

And what about private property rights? If I buy a flag, it's mine to burn, is it not?

I'm quite sure you're allowed to be a Moron on your own land.

Actually it's preferred

[Archer0915]

I'm quite sure you're allowed to be a Moron on your own land.

Actually it's preferred

I never could figure out how those broke ass American hating muzzies always could get US flags to burn.

[Cigar]

I never could figure out how those broke ass American hating muzzies always could get US flags to burn.

I think they use the back of their necks ... :grin:

That explains the color :laugh:

[Ethereal]

I'm quite sure you're allowed to be a Moron on your own land.

Actually it's preferred

You're the authority on being a moron, so you would know best.

[Cigar]

You're the authority on being a moron, so you would know best.

I did not personally attack you, so why why Personal Attack? :huh:

[Ethereal]

I did not personally attack you, so why why Personal Attack? :huh:

Oh, really?


I'm quite sure you're allowed to be a Moron on your own land.

Actually it's preferred

Either you're lying or you're just stupid. Which one is it?

[PolWatch]

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