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OGIS
08-04-2015, 09:36 AM
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/03/missouri-man-serving-life-for-pot-prepares-for-first-parole-hearing

He's white, so maybe he will actually get out.

Captain Obvious
08-04-2015, 09:46 AM
Fucking potheads...

Captain Obvious
08-04-2015, 09:49 AM
Guy was a drug dealer too, btw - headline is misleading.

He should rot in prison.

donttread
08-04-2015, 11:16 AM
Fucking potheads...


Fucking out of control prohibitionist

exotix
08-04-2015, 11:18 AM
Where's Paulie ?

The Xl
08-04-2015, 11:18 AM
Guy was a drug dealer too, btw - headline is misleading.

He should rot in prison.

Did he force anyone to buy his drugs? Should we arrest the guy who runs the liquor store? But I'm sure that's different, lel

Cigar
08-04-2015, 11:19 AM
I actually read the story, he was arrested for Buying Pot, not Dealing it.

Captain Obvious
08-04-2015, 11:19 AM
Did he force anyone to buy his drugs? Should we arrest the guy who runs the liquor store? But I'm sure that's different, lel

So you support drug dealing, ergo - to kids.

Gotcha

Captain Obvious
08-04-2015, 11:23 AM
I'm going to be in Missouri in a couple of weeks too.

I'll let you know if I bump into this guy.

:biglaugh:

PolWatch
08-04-2015, 11:30 AM
Let's keep people like this in jail so we can let the violent offenders out....good plan! Pick a state, any state:

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2014/03/03/prisoners-released-due-to-overcrowding/1922852/

http://5newsonline.com/2014/03/14/inmates-released-as-arkansas-jails-become-overcrowded/

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/overflowing_alabama_prisons_fi.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383946/Nearly-10-000-California-prisoners-released-early-ease-severe-overcrowding.html

http://www.correctionalnews.com/articles/2013/04/17/west-virginia-prison-reform-bill-expands-drug-programs

donttread
08-04-2015, 01:07 PM
Did he force anyone to buy his drugs? Should we arrest the guy who runs the liquor store? But I'm sure that's different, lel

It's only different in their minds

donttread
08-04-2015, 01:10 PM
Let's keep people like this in jail so we can let the violent offenders out....good plan! Pick a state, any state:

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2014/03/03/prisoners-released-due-to-overcrowding/1922852/

http://5newsonline.com/2014/03/14/inmates-released-as-arkansas-jails-become-overcrowded/

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/overflowing_alabama_prisons_fi.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383946/Nearly-10-000-California-prisoners-released-early-ease-severe-overcrowding.html

http://www.correctionalnews.com/articles/2013/04/17/west-virginia-prison-reform-bill-expands-drug-programs


So a 26 year old with 5 assault charges is out again while a pot head does life? How about life for 3 dui's , or 3 D&D's?

Redrose
08-04-2015, 01:48 PM
The man had a significant criminal history. He was a dealer, and had trafficking charges. His scoresheet was so high, he scored life. The OP is misleading. He was a serious repeat offender with serious drug charges.

Repeat crimes can beef up your scoresheet. In Florida, a petit theft is a minor charge, a misdemeanor, but the fourth conviction is a felony and you can go to prison...not county jail....prison. So you could steal a $4.00 lipstick in Walgreens, and if it's your fourth petit theft you could go to prison for a $4.00 lipstick.

Your crimes are cumulative.

PolWatch
08-04-2015, 01:51 PM
'With two nonviolent marijuana convictions already on his record, Jeff received life without parole under Missouri's three strikes law.'

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/opinion/vanita-gupta-marijuana-life-sentence/index.html

Hal Jordan
08-04-2015, 02:09 PM
So you support drug dealing, ergo - to kids.

Gotcha

Actually, there's no evidence he was selling to kids, in fact, the governor made it clear that one of the reasons he commuted the sentence was that he hadn't been selling to kids.

OGIS
08-04-2015, 02:16 PM
Guy was a drug dealer too, btw - headline is misleading.

CITAAAAAAATION. Please.

OGIS
08-04-2015, 02:19 PM
Your crimes are cumulative.

So, in other words, an ex-con never really pays his "debt to society."

Since it seems mean-spiritied, I rarely support the idea of Karma. But people who believe this desperately need to learn by personal example.

Redrose
08-04-2015, 02:21 PM
So, in other words, an ex-con never really pays his "debt to society."

Since it seems mean-spiritied, I rarely support the idea of Karma. But people who believe this desperately need to learn by personal example.


Sure they can, but if you keep breaking the law, your scoresheet adds up, and certain levels have mandatory minimum sentences. Eventually, if you score high enough, they throw away the key.

donttread
08-04-2015, 05:34 PM
So you support drug dealing, ergo - to kids.

Gotcha

Oh, good grief you watch too many movies. Kids get their first drugs from family or friends, not the mythical school yard dealer

donttread
08-04-2015, 05:36 PM
Sure they can, but if you keep breaking the law, your scoresheet adds up, and certain levels have mandatory minimum sentences. Eventually, if you score high enough, they throw away the key.

Pot shouldn't be a crime to begin with it, like all drugs has it;s risk, but from a pharmacology perspecive it is much less risky that alcohol and tobacco.

Cigar
08-04-2015, 05:40 PM
The man had a significant criminal history. He was a dealer, and had trafficking charges. His scoresheet was so high, he scored life. The OP is misleading. He was a serious repeat offender with serious drug charges.

Repeat crimes can beef up your scoresheet. In Florida, a petit theft is a minor charge, a misdemeanor, but the fourth conviction is a felony and you can go to prison...not county jail....prison. So you could steal a $4.00 lipstick in Walgreens, and if it's your fourth petit theft you could go to prison for a $4.00 lipstick.

Your crimes are cumulative.

Really @Redrose (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1123) LIFE? :huh: They all add up to you and the Tax payers paying for a Life time of Welfare?

Life really ... that's the best we can do?

How about we just shoot him in the head?

Safety
08-04-2015, 05:57 PM
Guy was a drug dealer too, btw - headline is misleading.

He should rot in prison.

Where are the self identified potheads here supposed to get their weed if the dealers are all in prison?

Redrose
08-04-2015, 06:06 PM
Really @Redrose (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1123) LIFE? :huh: They all add up to you and the Tax payers paying for a Life time of Welfare?

Life really ... that's the best we can do?

How about we just shoot him in the head?

Cigar I didn't say I agree with our judicial system, I don't make the laws or write the statutes. The point I was attempting to make is I have seen first hand people go to prison, not jail, for crimes that others go to county jail for or even get probation, but their life time scoresheet warranted prison. As I said before, our crimes are cumulative and add up.

If enough people speak up, maybe our law makers will do something and these legal mandates will be altered. Some are fair and some are ridiculous.

OGIS
08-04-2015, 06:16 PM
Where are the self identified potheads here supposed to get their weed if the dealers are all in prison?

Possibly from the drunks, alcoholics and booze hounds.

The Xl
08-04-2015, 06:22 PM
So you support drug dealing, ergo - to kids.

Gotcha

What kid did he sell it too? And what punishment do you get for selling alcohol to a minor? A couple of thousand dollar fine?

Get out of here.

The Xl
08-04-2015, 06:24 PM
Actually, there's no evidence he was selling to kids, in fact, the governor made it clear that one of the reasons he commuted the sentence was that he hadn't been selling to kids.

Cap was trying to get me by using a logical fallacy. It goes without saying, he failed.

The Xl
08-04-2015, 06:27 PM
We have politicians pushing policy based not on the good of the country or its people, but off bribes. We have banks breaking laws and acting fraudulently, nearly collapsing our economy, and nothing. But smoke or deal a little pot? Life.

It's the equivalent of Stalin or Hitler condemning a jaywalker. It's a fucking joke, we're completely run by hypocrites and criminals, on both the state and federal level.

The Xl
08-04-2015, 06:29 PM
It's only different in their minds

Yeah, and I don't expect consistency on the matter, nor do I expect a comprehensive explanation. It's just different is apparently enough to suffice.

The Xl
08-04-2015, 06:31 PM
@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) I didn't say I agree with our judicial system, I don't make the laws or write the statutes. The point I was attempting to make is I have seen first hand people go to prison, not jail, for crimes that others go to county jail for or even get probation, but their life time scoresheet warranted prison. As I said before, our crimes are cumulative and add up.

If enough people speak up, maybe our law makers will do something and these legal mandates will be altered. Some are fair and some are ridiculous.

They don't care, they don't work for us. No one wanted the bailouts, no fucks given by our politicians. Whenever the people clearly showed they didn't support our wars, no fucks given. Congress has a sub 10% approval rating and they keep trucking on doing anything and everything expect the will of the people.

Cigar
08-04-2015, 07:04 PM
@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) I didn't say I agree with our judicial system, I don't make the laws or write the statutes. The point I was attempting to make is I have seen first hand people go to prison, not jail, for crimes that others go to county jail for or even get probation, but their life time scoresheet warranted prison. As I said before, our crimes are cumulative and add up.

If enough people speak up, maybe our law makers will do something and these legal mandates will be altered. Some are fair and some are ridiculous.
Redrose Ok we can agree with that. :wink:

Redrose
08-04-2015, 08:22 PM
They don't care, they don't work for us. No one wanted the bailouts, no fucks given by our politicians. Whenever the people clearly showed they didn't support our wars, no fucks given. Congress has a sub 10% approval rating and they keep trucking on doing anything and everything expect the will of the people.


How did 'We the people' allow our Congress to vote their own bennies, salaries, raises? All that should be up to a vote of their constituents. Our politicians are jerking us around and we are allowing it.


Strangely I am starting to like Trump a lot, he's not a politician, and owes nobody anything. He speaks his mind, not the political double talk the others dole out. I'm sick of the career politicians we have to deal with.

Mini Me
08-04-2015, 10:54 PM
Pot shouldn't be a crime to begin with it, like all drugs has it;s risk, but from a pharmacology perspecive it is much less risky that alcohol and tobacco.

I consider pot to be a medicinal herb!And that's the way many states view it, hence medical MJ.

zelmo1234
08-05-2015, 02:31 AM
This is an easy problem to solve and the liberals can lead the way.

Drug use is a victimless crime. or so we are told. And we are told that drug use does not have a cost to society.

I think there is room for common ground and I believe that Republicans would support legislation ending the war on Drugs, if the users were held accountable.

#1 the Democrats should propose that all people should be drug tested for unemployment and welfare benefits, It they are found to have been using drugs they are not allow benefits from tax payers.

#2 We are told that these are just unfortunate people that would never hurt anyone. Because they are sure that no drug user has ever committed a violent crime, it would be of no consequence to put a very harsh punishment on those very, very few that would commit these crimes. And drug user that commits a violent crime causing the death or great bodily harm to another citizen, would face the death penalty and this would be fast tracked so that they would be publicly executed by lethal injection after the first appeal

#3 We are also told that drug and alcohol use, does not produce people stealing things and to support their habit, so those that do commit the crimes of theft, will be required to restore 10 times the value of the items of cash that was stolen to the party or business that they stole it from and preform 10 hours of community service wearing a ball and chain and a shirt telling everyone, that they committed crimes and against who they were committed.

So if the Democrat would commit to these few rules that would effect nobody because we all know that drug users never hurt anyone, I am sure that the Republicans would support the efforts and all of the drug users that are in prison could be sent home to their families.

zelmo1234
08-05-2015, 02:33 AM
I consider pot to be a medicinal herb!And that's the way many states view it, hence medical MJ.

Perfect, I would guess that you would be in support of the actions listed above. I see no reason that these people that are just using pot to heal their pain.

they should be much more productive than others and thus the rules above should be no problem.