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Peter1469
08-09-2015, 05:38 AM
Washington Post on the GOP debate (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-debate-performance-gives-democrats-reason-to-worry/2015/08/07/f87905c0-3d1c-11e5-a312-1a6452ac77d2_story.html)

WAPO looks at the debate in detail and concludes that several GOP candidates could displace Trump and give Hillary a run for her money.

It looks like WAPO likes Cruz, Carson, and Huck in that regard.


In the aftermath, many candidates claimed victory. Various among them were seen as winners by one pundit or another. A focus group moderated by Frank Luntz gave low marks to Trump. But Cruz, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson drew positive responses from the group.

They also seem to like Walker, if he doesn't go too far right (whatever that means).

Anyway, an interesting look at the debates. It does, however, seem as if WAPO is overly fixated on Trump.


Trump likely will continue to draw the most attention from the news media. But Thursday’s debate proved to be about more than just the Donald Trump Show. It put new and credible Republican faces in front of a huge audience. That could give Democrats, some already nervous about Clinton, something else to worry about.

Green Arrow
08-09-2015, 08:50 AM
Huckabee will be dead in the water against Hillary. She'll hound him on social issues and then we'll be stuck with her for 4-8. Not that being stuck with Huck would be much better.

Cruz isn't a serious candidate. He's a first term Senator that has alienated damn near the whole party, including people that would have supported him. All in the name of boosting his profile so he could run for President. Because make no mistake, that's all Cruz ran for the Senate for. Those who are vigilant will not forget that his wife was an executive with Goldman Sachs. He has all the wrong connections that make his claim to honest difference a lie.

PolWatch
08-09-2015, 09:45 AM
I think half of the repub candidates are running for publicity. They will need the name recognition when they make their next attempt. The candidates that fail will also be able to demand more $$$ for post election speaking engagements, they could become TV personalities (Huckabee, Palin). Politicians who are reaching the end of their career seem to feel that a run for the presidency is the ideal 'last hooray' (Graham, Dole). Maybe Graham can get Dole's old job of selling Viagra.

Peter1469
08-09-2015, 10:48 AM
Yes to name recognition. But it is also organization. You have to build teams nationwide to run a presidential campaign. Some of these newer guys are just creating these organizations and are probably thinking 2020 and 2024 as serious runs.


I think half of the repub candidates are running for publicity. They will need the name recognition when they make their next attempt. The candidates that fail will also be able to demand more $$$ for post election speaking engagements, they could become TV personalities (Huckabee, Palin). Politicians who are reaching the end of their career seem to feel that a run for the presidency is the ideal 'last hooray' (Graham, Dole). Maybe Graham can get Dole's old job of selling Viagra.

Mac-7
08-09-2015, 10:54 AM
It's a national shame that morality has declined so much that a Christian can no longer be president.

nathanbforrest45
08-09-2015, 10:56 AM
All of these candidates have some good ideas. Hopefully whoever gets the nod will take the best ideas from each of the field and incorporated it into one coherent platform. I would like to know why we Republicans allow the Democratic media choose our candidates for us

Peter1469
08-09-2015, 11:17 AM
It's a national shame that morality has declined so much that a Christian can no longer be president.

It is a shame you think so.

Most presidents have been Christian and I suspect that will continue into the future.

What is a shame is that most people have zero understanding of the term federalism. Public school education, I suppose.

Green Arrow
08-09-2015, 11:18 AM
It's a national shame that morality has declined so much that a Christian can no longer be president.

I think it's a greater shame that we can't have a moral president that isn't Christian, but-

Oh, haha, Obama is a Muslim. That's the dumb thing you were getting at, isn't it?

nathanbforrest45
08-09-2015, 04:13 PM
I don't think Obama is a Muslim. I think he is an Obaminite.

magicmike
08-09-2015, 04:19 PM
Huckabee will be dead in the water against Hillary. She'll hound him on social issues and then we'll be stuck with her for 4-8. Not that being stuck with Huck would be much better.

Cruz isn't a serious candidate. He's a first term Senator that has alienated $#@! near the whole party, including people that would have supported him. All in the name of boosting his profile so he could run for President. Because make no mistake, that's all Cruz ran for the Senate for. Those who are vigilant will not forget that his wife was an executive with Goldman Sachs. He has all the wrong connections that make his claim to honest difference a lie.

I think the Post wants the craziest of the crazies to win.

Peter1469
08-09-2015, 04:20 PM
I think the Post wants the craziest of the crazies to win.

Hillary?

Bob
08-09-2015, 04:24 PM
Obama is purely a narcissist. He believes he is some sort of GOD.

Green Arrow
08-09-2015, 04:41 PM
Obama is purely a narcissist. He believes he is some sort of GOD.

So does Trump. Every time he answered a question, he had that same imperious look Obama gets.

Peter1469
08-09-2015, 05:10 PM
Obama is purely a narcissist. He believes he is some sort of GOD.

Most if not all politicians are narcissists.

Bob
08-09-2015, 05:31 PM
So does Trump. Every time he answered a question, he had that same imperious look Obama gets.

Without FOX, I just missed the show. I wish I had seen it.

Bob
08-09-2015, 05:35 PM
Most if not all politicians are narcissists.

This guy is one. I had dinner with him in the late 1980s, around 1988 I think. I rate him a dud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lockyer

Bob
08-09-2015, 05:37 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Peter1469 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=1210415#post1210415)
Most if not all politicians are narcissists.


Now this woman, also a Democrat, is not a dud. She is another I got to know and enjoyed her ideas a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaine_Eastin

Delaine Eastin (born August 20, 1947) is an American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) politician and the former 25th California State Superintendent of Public Instruction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Education). She was the first woman to be elected State Superintendent.
Eastin represented parts of Alameda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alameda_County,_California) and Santa Clara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County,_California) counties in the California State Assembly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Assembly) between 1986 and 1994. She is a member of the Democratic Party.

Tahuyaman
08-09-2015, 08:14 PM
itseem as if WAPO is overly fixated on Trump.

Of course the Washington post is going to be dedicated to whatever it takes in order to assist the Democrat's nominee.

Still, outside of Trump, the Republicans looked like serious candidates. Several of them could beat Hillary Clinton, or any other goofball the Democrats nominate.

birddog
08-09-2015, 09:59 PM
Huckabee is a dark horse, but if he does well in some debates, then wins the Iowa caucus, look for him to gain big momentum. For those with preconceived ideas, Huckabee is easy to underestimate.

Peter1469
08-09-2015, 10:00 PM
I would never support him. But then I wouldn't be so arrogant as to tell the GOP who their nominee should be. That is up to them.

Common
08-09-2015, 10:55 PM
Washington Post on the GOP debate (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-debate-performance-gives-democrats-reason-to-worry/2015/08/07/f87905c0-3d1c-11e5-a312-1a6452ac77d2_story.html)

WAPO looks at the debate in detail and concludes that several GOP candidates could displace Trump and give Hillary a run for her money.

It looks like WAPO likes Cruz, Carson, and Huck in that regard.



They also seem to like Walker, if he doesn't go too far right (whatever that means).

Anyway, an interesting look at the debates. It does, however, seem as if WAPO is overly fixated on Trump.

All right wing media is on a mission to take trump down. Their rich benefactors commanded them too

magicmike
08-10-2015, 04:19 PM
Hillary?

You???

Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:32 PM
Huckabee is a dark horse, but if he does well in some debates, then wins the Iowa caucus, look for him to gain big momentum. For those with preconceived ideas, Huckabee is easy to underestimate.

He won the Iowa caucuses in 2008 and it amounted to nothing for him. Why would now be any different?

PolWatch
08-10-2015, 04:35 PM
He won the Iowa caucuses in 2008 and it amounted to nothing for him. Why would now be any different?

It did pay off in speaker's fees & a gig at Fox....

Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:36 PM
It did pay off in speaker's fees & a gig at Fox....

He's probably hoping for another boost next year out of this one.

PolWatch
08-10-2015, 04:39 PM
Even failed candidates have increased speaker's fees to look forward to....consolation prizes for the losers. Look at Palin....I don't think she earned the $$$ as mayor/governor that she has made in paid speaking gigs & other money projects. 15 minutes of fame can pay off in big bucks.

Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:40 PM
Even failed candidates have increased speaker's fees to look forward to....consolation prizes for the losers. Look at Palin....I don't think she earned the $$$ as mayor/governor that she has made in paid speaking gigs & other money projects. 15 minutes of fame can pay off in big bucks.

Oh, I'm willing to bet that most of them are in it for the money, not the office. Those are the ones you can smell the stench of bullshit on the most, like Bobby Jindal.

gamewell45
08-10-2015, 04:52 PM
It's a national shame that morality has declined so much that a Christian can no longer be president.

To my knowledge the US Constitution has not been modified to disallow Christians to be President; morality has no impact on the legality of a Christian being President. If fact history will show that without exception, every single President has been a Christian and Protestant (except JFK, who was a Roman Catholic), so I have to disagree with your viewpoint on this thread.

Mac-7
08-10-2015, 07:49 PM
To my knowledge the US Constitution has not been modified to disallow Christians to be President; morality has no impact on the legality of a Christian being President. If fact history will show that without exception, every single President has been a Christian and Protestant (except JFK, who was a Roman Catholic), so I have to disagree with your viewpoint on this thread.

The only knock on Huckabee is that he's a serious Christian and that freaks the hedonists out.

Peter1469
08-10-2015, 08:22 PM
The only knock on Huckabee is that he's a serious Christian and that freaks the hedonists out.

Federalism is a concern as well.

But most people no longer know what that word means.

Mac-7
08-10-2015, 10:56 PM
Federalism is a concern as well.

But most people no longer know what that word means.

is Huck fer or agin?

Peter1469
08-11-2015, 03:56 AM
is Huck fer or agin?


English?

If you are asking whether Huck understands federalism, I don't think so. He seems to want the federal government to meddle in many social issues that are absent from federal authority. (See, Art. 1, sec. 8, U.S. Const.)

PolWatch
08-11-2015, 07:18 AM
Huckabee is not running for president. He is campaigning to be the Ayatollah of the United States.

Mac-7
08-11-2015, 07:26 AM
Even the faint hint of Christ is enough to send libs into a frenzy of fear.

maineman
08-11-2015, 09:11 AM
Even the faint hint of Christ is enough to send libs into a frenzy of fear.

as a Christian and a retire minister, I have no "fear" of the "hint of Christ". I just don't believe that His teachings ought to become the basis for laws that govern the citizens of the USA, many of whom do not believe in Him.

Ransom
08-11-2015, 09:19 AM
Huckabee is not running for president. He is campaigning to be the Ayatollah of the United States.

The lockstep hard Left response doesn't surprise.

Captain Obvious
08-11-2015, 10:05 AM
The lockstep hard Left response doesn't surprise.

The reaction from the lockstep right doesn't surprise.

Green Arrow
08-12-2015, 12:55 AM
as a Christian and a retire minister, I have no "fear" of the "hint of Christ". I just don't believe that His teachings ought to become the basis for laws that govern the citizens of the USA, many of whom do not believe in Him.

I mean no offense by this, but you continuously bring up your former employment as a Christian minister up, so I feel comfortable addressing this. I find it rather disheartening that you claim to be a former Christian minister, and yet seem to have a lot of contempt for your fellow man and even fellow Christians.