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We will examine the finances, to the extent possible, of Bernie Sanders.
Add up his salary for a 6 year term in office. WOW Over a million dollars per 6 years.
I realize he pays income taxes, but a smart person can parlay this income into the tens of millions given his long era of being a senator.
The guy is a dud.
Sanders’ $174,000 salary as a member of the Senate was not listed on the form. The couple’s real estate assets are not disclosed, either. According to campaign spokesman Michael Briggs, the senator owns at least two homes, one in Vermont and one on Capitol Hill.
In his 2012 Senate personal financial disclosures, Sanders reported having a joint rental property in Burlington valued at $100,001-$250,000, for which he received $5,001-$15,000 in income. Also in 2012, he reporting a 30-year mortgage of $50,001-$100,000 for a condo in Washington, D.C., dating from 2000.
The senator also indicated that he receives a yearly pension of $5,000 from his time serving as Burlington mayor. He donated all royalties from his 2011 book, “The Speech,” to charity, as well as an $850 appearance fee on political comedian Bill Maher’s HBO show, for a total of $1,867.
Jane Sanders, a former president of Burlington College, also reported undisclosed compensation from two Vermont state boards. Sanders’ most recent Senate disclosure indicated that both of those were more than $1,000.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261.html#ixzz3iS0nYfuU
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:42 PM
What proof do you have that he's a bad manager of money?
Changing threads won't get you out of having to prove that claim.
The Xl
08-10-2015, 04:44 PM
He's not a wealthy guy, nor is he owned by money. Seems appealing to me.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:46 PM
He's not a wealthy guy, nor is he owned by money. Seems appealing to me.
Not only that, but he donated all the royalties from his book and his speaking fee on Bill Maher's show to charity. He's not interested in making lots of money, probably why he's been able to resist being bought.
The Xl
08-10-2015, 04:49 PM
Not only that, but he donated all the royalties from his book and his speaking fee on Bill Maher's show to charity. He's not interested in making lots of money, probably why he's been able to resist being bought.
I disagree with many of his politics, but he's an honest, principled man, and what the fuck, it's not like Hilary Clinton or Jeb Bush would spend any less money than he would, he's a lot better on civil rights too. Sign me up, I'm on his bandwagon for now unless Trump wows the shit out of me or Rand can show that he's not a wish washy flake.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:50 PM
I disagree with many of his politics, but he's an honest, principled man, and what the fuck, it's not like Hilary Clinton or Jeb Bush would spend any less money than he would, he's a lot better on civil rights too. Sign me up, I'm on his bandwagon for now unless Trump wows the shit out of me or Rand can show that he's not a wish washy flake.
I plan to buy his book tomorrow. It's the text of his filibuster on corporate greed and the decline of the middle class.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 04:55 PM
Maybe he's happy with what he makes and doesn't see personal wealth as the only measure of success. Perhaps he's more interested in doing his job than hustling for personal gain.
Money isn't everything and it certainly doesn't buy happiness.
What proof do you have that he's a bad manager of money?
Changing threads won't get you out of having to prove that claim.
Were you good with money, you would know why he is bad with money.
I do not want you to keep making this personal. Can you stick to Sanders please?
Maybe he's happy with what he makes and doesn't see personal wealth as the only measure of success. Perhaps he's more interested in doing his job than hustling for personal gain.
Money isn't everything and it certainly doesn't buy happiness.
He could simply tell the paymaster then and refuse his pay as Senator.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 04:57 PM
Were you good with money, you would know why he is bad with money.
I do not want you to keep making this personal. Can you stick to Sanders please?
I am sticking to Sanders. I would like you to prove your claim that he is bad with money.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 04:57 PM
Leave it to some to see a normal life as a failure.
I plan to buy his book tomorrow. It's the text of his filibuster on corporate greed and the decline of the middle class.
This topic is not about a worship fest for Sanders, his books or acting like he is better than Hillary.
We are examining Sanders finances here.
The Xl
08-10-2015, 05:00 PM
Maybe he's happy with what he makes and doesn't see personal wealth as the only measure of success. Perhaps he's more interested in doing his job than hustling for personal gain.
Money isn't everything and it certainly doesn't buy happiness.
We need more types like his in politics. The country wouldn't be nearly as corrupt and fucked up.
The Xl
08-10-2015, 05:01 PM
This topic is not about a worship fest for Sanders, his books or acting like he is better than Hillary.
We are examining Sanders finances here.
Who cares what his financial situation is? What exactly is the point you're trying to make?
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:01 PM
This topic is not about a worship fest for Sanders, his books or acting like he is better than Hillary.
We are examining Sanders finances here.
...and what in his finances says he's bad with money? That he hasn't parlayed his salary into a vast fortune?
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:01 PM
This topic is not about a worship fest for Sanders, his books or acting like he is better than Hillary.
We are examining Sanders finances here.
I agree. So let's examine his finances. Prove your claim that he is bad with money. Where does his finances show he's bad with money?
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:02 PM
Who cares what his financial situation is? What exactly is the point you're trying to make?
Sanders ain't no good at business cause he don't have a yacht and shit.
Roll Call makes Sanders look a lot worse.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/us-senate-personal-wealth-111th-congress.html
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:05 PM
Roll Call makes Sanders look a lot worse.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/us-senate-personal-wealth-111th-congress.html
Okay. How does it make him look worse?
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:09 PM
Bob might have an argument if Sanders was in debt or had declared bankruptcy (like the person leading the GOP pack), but it seems Sanders runs his household well. He has small investments and takes in more than he spends. He even donated proceeds of his book.
It's a skewed version of reality to see someone who owns multiple properties and has a comfortable life as a failure. It says more about the values of the accuser than anything else.
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Sanders worth is declining. More proof he sucks at managing money.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:22 PM
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Sanders worth is declining. More proof he sucks at managing money.
How is it proof that he sucks at managing money?
Bob might have an argument if Sanders was in debt or had declared bankruptcy (like the person leading the GOP pack), but it seems Sanders runs his household well. He has small investments and takes in more than he spends. He even donated proceeds of his book.
It's a skewed version of reality to see someone who owns multiple properties and has a comfortable life as a failure. It says more about the values of the accuser than anything else.
Here you go again. Making claims not shown in any posts.
I said he manages money poorly. His worth fell 28 percent in the last year measured. Making $174,000 plus per year affords the chance to prove good money management. On this he fails.
How is it proof that he sucks at managing money?
His net worth fell 30 percent in one year.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:25 PM
His net worth fell 30 percent in one year.
How does that mean he is bad at managing money?
Okay. How does it make him look worse?
I can coach you how to study data if I must. But just study the OP vs what Roll Call calls as his net worth. And notice his worth collapsed 30 percent.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:27 PM
I can coach you how to study data if I must. But just study the OP vs what Roll Call calls as his net worth. And notice his worth collapsed 30 percent.
Bob, I don't want to make this personal. I'd like to keep discussing Sanders if you don't mind.
Why did his net worth drop 30 percent?
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:28 PM
Bob, do you chastise Trump for filing for bankruptcy multiple times?
How does that mean he is bad at managing money?
What the hell? You actually think declining in net worth is good for his economical health?
Bob, do you chastise Trump for filing for bankruptcy multiple times?
Is Bankruptcy the topic or Trump?
Bob, I don't want to make this personal. I'd like to keep discussing Sanders if you don't mind.
Why did his net worth drop 30 percent?
Sure, he is a poor manager. Surely you try once in a while to look at property values, or stocks and other investments.
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 05:30 PM
he should have had his hand out for big corporate sponsors....then he would be up there with Walker, Trump, et al. He could have married a woman who was a manager of Goldman Sachs like Cruz.....then we would all know he is for sale to the highest bidder. oh....wait....Trump isn't for sale....he's the BUYER of political influence.....my mistake.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:30 PM
Sure, he is a poor manager. Surely you try once in a while to look at property values, or stocks and other investments.
So, he is a poor manager of his money because his net worth dropped 30 percent. Why did his net worth drop 30 percent? Because he's a poor manager of his money.
Circular reasoning.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:31 PM
According to this...
http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders
Sanders Personal Gain Index has seen his net worth rise about 29% a year since 2004.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:32 PM
Is Bankruptcy the topic or Trump?
The topic seemed to be linking personal finances with the ability to govern.
According to this...
http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders
Sanders Personal Gain Index has seen his net worth rise about 29% a year since 2004.
oops
maineman
08-10-2015, 05:35 PM
Were you good with money, you would know why he is bad with money.
I do not want you to keep making this personal. Can you stick to Sanders please?
do you see something wrong with a person whose primary motivation is something other than personal enrichment?
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:36 PM
This thread is going down like Japan in 1945.
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PolWatch
08-10-2015, 05:37 PM
Maybe Sanders is more spiritual than material?
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:39 PM
Hey Bob, is that how you would pick a dentist? See whichever drives the most expensive car?
Making lots of money does not necessarily translate into being a good leader or a governing well.
Not only that, but he donated all the royalties from his book and his speaking fee on Bill Maher's show to charity. He's not interested in making lots of money, probably why he's been able to resist being bought.
Show us how he is not interested in making money. Show us how he is not bought. Show he is not interested in making lots of money.
In 6 years, he made over a million dollars. Then you must count what he earned since he got into power.
I believe he is a bad manager of money.
Show us how he is not interested in making money. Show us how he is not bought. Show he is not interested in making lots of money.
In 6 years, he made over a million dollars. Then you must count what he earned since he got into power.
I believe he is a bad manager of money.
well, since you seem incapable of interpreting fairly simple data, i don't think that really means anything
let me put it in super simple terms, you don't know what you're talking about
again
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 05:41 PM
Show us how he is not interested in making money. Show us how he is not bought. Show he is not interested in making lots of money.
Sure, it said so in this article that you posted earlier: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261.html
He donated all royalties from his 2011 book, “The Speech,” to charity, as well as an $850 appearance fee on political comedian Bill Maher’s HBO show, for a total of $1,867.
Sure sounds like someone that doesn't care to make lots of money.
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 05:41 PM
If he was a billionaire, you would vote for him because he's a good money manager?
If he was a billionaire, you would vote for him because he's a good money manager?
not just a good money manager.... a super good money manager
:biglaugh:
Hey Bob, is that how you would pick a dentist? See whichever drives the most expensive car?
Making lots of money does not necessarily translate into being a good leader or a governing well.
I did not expect to hurt the feelings of even Canadians by discussing the finances of Bernie Sanders.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:45 PM
I did not expect to hurt the feelings of even Canadians by discussing the finances of Bernie Sanders.
Huh? Try not to see me being baffled by your values as my feeling being hurt. They're not.
If he was a billionaire, you would vote for him because he's a good money manager?
Sanders politics, that I once shared, to point that out, now are repugnant to me. But at the least, the man should be able to show he is a good money manager.
Clinton is. But she would not get my vote. She used to be bad but once she got enormous wealth, it was easier for her.
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 05:46 PM
I don't think hurt feelings have anything to do with it. Its a reasonable question. You seem to think that financial status is vital to picking a presidential candidate.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:46 PM
Sanders politics, that I once shared, to point that out, now are repugnant to me. But at the least, the man should be able to show he is a good money manager.
Clinton is. But she would not get my vote. She used to be bad but once she got enormous wealth, it was easier for her.
Using your logic, you should simply vote for the richest candidate.
AeonPax
08-10-2015, 05:47 PM
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I will vote for Sanders only, leastways between all of the Republicrat candidates.
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 05:47 PM
Sanders politics, that I once shared, to point that out, now are repugnant to me. But at the least, the man should be able to show he is a good money manager.
Clinton is. But she would not get my vote. She used to be bad but once she got enormous wealth, it was easier for her.
In other words, finances really have no impact on your decision. Its all R or D. This is a thread to simply trash Sanders.
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Huh? Try not to see me being baffled by your values as my feeling being hurt. They're not.
Nope, this is about Sanders values, not mine.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:48 PM
Sanders politics, that I once shared, to point that out, now are repugnant to me. But at the least, the man should be able to show he is a good money manager.
Clinton is. But she would not get my vote. She used to be bad but once she got enormous wealth, it was easier for her.
I don't recall you saying you were a democratic socialist.
bob very much regrets the time he spent as a democratic hack, as it cut into the time available for republican hackery.
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:49 PM
Nope, this is about Sanders values, not mine.
The very nature of your argument is a reflection of your values.
Sanders isn't super rich, ergo you think he is inept at managing money and therefore not a suitable candidate.
magicmike
08-10-2015, 05:50 PM
We will examine the finances, to the extent possible, of Bernie Sanders.
Add up his salary for a 6 year term in office. WOW Over a million dollars per 6 years.
I realize he pays income taxes, but a smart person can parlay this income into the tens of millions given his long era of being a senator.
The guy is a dud.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261.html#ixzz3iS0nYfuU
Let's compare that with Trumps.
In other words, finances really have no impact on your decision. Its all R or D. This is a thread to simply trash Sanders.
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You would love it were i doing as you do and trash republicans. See how that works?
Clearly I bash sanders by saying he manages poorly. But rather than show i am wrong,. I become the focus of posters angsts.
Let's say for the hell of it, when Romney ran. Had he been a bad money manager, i would never have voted for him.
bob very much regrets the time he spent as a democratic hack, as it cut into the time available for republican hackery.
Del del
Sanders
Stick to Sanders
I did not expect to hurt the feelings of even Canadians by discussing the finances of Bernie Sanders.
you misspelled *to get my ass handed to me*
super sloppy, there, bob
tighten up
magicmike
08-10-2015, 05:52 PM
He could simply tell the paymaster then and refuse his pay as Senator.
Have any other candidates currently in Congress done that?
I think Bob is very afraid of Bernie.
maineman
08-10-2015, 05:53 PM
again... is there something wrong with a person whose primary motivation in life is something other than personal wealth accumulation?
The very nature of your argument is a reflection of your values.
Sanders isn't super rich, ergo you think he is inept at managing money and therefore not a suitable candidate.
This is not a vacuum. I use common standards.
Democrats often lump in those making $174,000 per year with the rich. As we can see, because Sanders manages money terribly, he is not rich. Don't you wonder what happens to a million dollars in a 6 year spand when the man can't manage it?
Sanders so far is not appealing to many Democrats. For you guys to fawn over him and be so protective sure surprises me.
again... is there something wrong with a person whose primary motivation in life is something other than personal wealth accumulation?
Again, we know his income. Are you saying he is a good money manager? I am not looking at his philosophy of life, just his money management ability.
the sunrise surprises bob
every morning
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 05:59 PM
This is not a vacuum. I use common standards.
Democrats often lump in those making $174,000 per year with the rich. As we can see, because Sanders manages money terribly, he is not rich. Don't you wonder what happens to a million dollars in a 6 year spand when the man can't manage it?
Sanders so far is not appealing to many Democrats. For you guys to fawn over him and be so protective sure surprises me.
Have you seen me fawn over Sanders?
I respect the guy but I don't think he's a viable candidate.
Again, according to my data, he has made fairly decent financial gains. Way ahead of the average person.
http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders
'Between 2004 and 2012, Sanders' calculated net worth[52] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-52) increased by an average of 29 percent per year. Between 2004 and 2014, the average annual percentage increase for a member of Congress was 15.4 percent.[53] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-53)"
"Comparatively, the American citizen experienced a median yearly decline in net worth of -0.94%.[55] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-55)"
magicmike
08-10-2015, 06:00 PM
the sunrise surprises bob
every morning
Only if the orderly pulls the drapes.
This is not a vacuum. I use common standards.
Democrats often lump in those making $174,000 per year with the rich. As we can see, because Sanders manages money terribly, he is not rich. Don't you wonder what happens to a million dollars in a 6 year spand when the man can't manage it?
Sanders so far is not appealing to many Democrats. For you guys to fawn over him and be so protective sure surprises me.
sanders has more support among democrats than trump has among republicans.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_81015.pdf
there must be some subject you're familiar with, bob, mustn't there?
Have any other candidates currently in Congress done that?
I think @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013) is very afraid of Bernie.
Not really. Democrats don't support him much at all. Maybe they fear him.
sanders has more support among democrats than trump has among republicans.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_81015.pdf
there must be some subject you're familiar with, bob, mustn't there?
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Sanders is the topic here
Common Sense
08-10-2015, 06:06 PM
One could argue that the Clinton's have managed their money better than almost anyone. They come from somewhat meager beginnings compared to say Trump or Romney. Would that mean that Bob should support Hillary?
del del del
Sanders is the topic here
lol
so we should ignore the fact that you're full of shit and have absolutely no clue what you're talking about?
ok
magicmike
08-10-2015, 06:07 PM
Not really. Democrats don't support him much at all. Maybe they fear him.
Then why is he pulling in larger crowds than any other candidate?
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 06:09 PM
Trump is showing 24% of Repub
Sanders is showing 19% of Dem
doesn't look like Trump is leading by much....Maybe if Sanders had more $$$ to bribe more people?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Way to evaluate your Senators skill with handling money
http://ballotpedia.org/Net_wBernie Sanders Yearly Net WorthYearAverage Net Worth2004$140,3832012$460,506Growth from 2004 to 2012:228%Average annual growth:29%[54] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-54)Comparatively, the American citizen experienced a median yearly decline in net worth of -0.94%.[55] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-55)
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Then why is he pulling in larger crowds than any other candidate?
Why won't you discuss Sanders finances?
jesus, bobo, go to bed
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Trump is showing 24% of Repub
Sanders is showing 19% of Dem
doesn't look like Trump is leading by much....Maybe if Sanders had more $$$ to bribe more people?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
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you make up lies and they get refuted
we're stuck until you make up some more lies, bobo
One could argue that the Clinton's have managed their money better than almost anyone. They come from somewhat meager beginnings compared to say Trump or Romney. Would that mean that Bob should support Hillary?
I departed from Hillary's politics by 1980. Can't go back now.
Clinton has managed money better. Huge speaking fees possibly means they lost touch with the normal person.
Sure, it said so in this article that you posted earlier: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261.html
Sure sounds like someone that doesn't care to make lots of money.
He walked off from $1900 and you say that means he does not care about money?
Actually that aligns with my claims. That he is a poor manager of money and per you, he does not care about money.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 06:33 PM
He walked off from $1900 and you say that means he does not care about money?
Actually that aligns with my claims. That he is a poor manager of money and per you, he does not care about money.
Yep, the fact that he gave $1900 to charity shows that he isn't interested in accumulating vast sums of wealth.
Still doesn't mean he sucks at managing money.
I disagree with many of his politics, but he's an honest, principled man, and what the fuck, it's not like Hilary Clinton or Jeb Bush would spend any less money than he would, he's a lot better on civil rights too. Sign me up, I'm on his bandwagon for now unless Trump wows the shit out of me or Rand can show that he's not a wish washy flake.
How the hell can you claim Sanders is honest? Howe do you know what the others would do?
Sanders and civil rights are an oxymoron. Sanders wants to do a lot more theft than they do today.
Yep, the fact that he gave $1900 to charity shows that he isn't interested in accumulating vast sums of wealth.
Still doesn't mean he sucks at managing money.
$1900 is hardly vast sums of money. You still have not proven he is a good money manager.
You I believe claim he is good at money management or your argument would be moot here.
Have you seen me fawn over Sanders?
I respect the guy but I don't think he's a viable candidate.
Again, according to my data, he has made fairly decent financial gains. Way ahead of the average person.
http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders
'Between 2004 and 2012, Sanders' calculated net worth[52] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-52) increased by an average of 29 percent per year. Between 2004 and 2014, the average annual percentage increase for a member of Congress was 15.4 percent.[53] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-53)"
"Comparatively, the American citizen experienced a median yearly decline in net worth of -0.94%.[55] (http://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-55)"
Why don't you argue he is a great money manager and i will stick with my side of this argument? Common Sense
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 06:43 PM
$1900 is hardly vast sums of money. You still have not proven he is a good money manager.
And you still haven't proven that he isn't.
You I believe claim he is good at money management or your argument would be moot here.
Nope, I've only asked you to prove your claim that he isn't good at managing money, which you have yet to do.
Sanders reports
Bernie Sanders on Thursday reported less than $750,000 in assets — all of it in his wife’s name — according to his presidential personal financial disclosure form.
The Vermont senator, mounting a liberal insurgent campaign against front-runner Hillary Clinton, also listed between $25,002-$65,000 in credit card debt on his Visa cards.
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According to the disclosure, Sanders and his wife Jane reported between $194,026-$741,030 in assets, a broad combination of investment funds.
The relatively modest disclosure is another indication that Sanders — a populist and self-described democratic socialist who rails against the “billionaire class” and has called income inequality “the great moral issue of our time” — is far less wealthy than many of his Senate colleagues and fellow presidential contenders. Clinton and her husband Bill, for instance, made at least $30 million in less than a year and a half, according to personal financial disclosures released in May.
Sanders, by contrast, has no listed assets on his entire financial disclosure form, save for a municipal pension — all the assets provided in the form are listed in his wife’s name. He reported no trusts or stock of any kind.
His two credit cards, issued through the Congressional and Senate credit unions, carry interest rates of 8.5 and 10.25 percent respectively.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3iRx2LVLn (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-wife-accounts-for-reported-assets-120261.html#ixzz3iRx2LVLn)
And you still haven't proven that he isn't.
Nope, I've only asked you to prove your claim that he isn't good at managing money, which you have yet to do.
You are not seeing the data I have produced then. So far, you should be able to claim he is great as a money manager.
But even you refuse to do that for him.
I expected this from the poster of course.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 06:51 PM
You are not seeing the data I have produced then. So far, you should be able to claim he is great as a money manager.
But even you refuse to do that for him.
I expected this from the poster of course.
Sure, you've posted lots of data. You have yet to articulate why the data makes him a poor manager of money.
I expected this from the poster, of course.
Hey Bob, is that how you would pick a dentist? See whichever drives the most expensive car?
Making lots of money does not necessarily translate into being a good leader or a governing well.
As a Senator, Sanders income is fairly fixed. Were he a good money manager, his assets could multiply even during this economy. Ask Trump's side how he is doing.
I don't see Sanders as this pillar of good will. I see Sanders as a typical class hating person. His hated class is the rich. This to me is a violation of the constitution.
His solutions to help the rest of us sound too much like what the rest of the Democrats tell us.
Hit those bastards hard in the pocket, and by god they will solve poverty.
How can the rich whom pay us our incomes, by removing their wealth help us out?
Does Sanders promise to use the Bush solution, to mail us checks to help us all out?
No, he wants the money for Government.
Who has been helped by government? With all done for Government, why does Government wage wars and tell us they let our highways and bridges go to hell in a handbasket?
Sure, you've posted lots of data. You have yet to articulate why the data makes him a poor manager of money.
I expected this from the poster, of course.
The data shows it.
I am not to be held responsible to a person that can't comprehend data.
And you still haven't proven that he isn't.
Nope, I've only asked you to prove your claim that he isn't good at managing money, which you have yet to do.
I want you to prove he is good as a money manager.
I will stick to why he is not one.
dear bozo,
please accept my heartfelt apologies.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 07:04 PM
I don't see Sanders as this pillar of good will. I see Sanders as a typical class hating person. His hated class is the rich. This to me is a violation of the constitution.
It's a violation of the constitution to hate someone? How is that?
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 07:06 PM
Its legal to hate blacks & gays....why is it illegal to hate the rich?
Its legal to hate blacks & gays....why is it illegal to hate the rich?
because the rich are better than them
It's a violation of the constitution to hate someone? How is that?
Presidents should never, nor should Senators aim at a class to hate.
Presidents should never, nor should Senators aim at a class to hate.
where is that in the constitution, bobo?
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 07:11 PM
Presidents should never, nor should Senators aim at a class to hate.
How is it unconstitutional to hate someone?
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 07:12 PM
How many repub candidates are suggesting an Amendment to ban gay marriage? That's discrimination/hate for one class of citizens. Is anyone saying they are violating the Constitution?
How is it unconstitutional to hate someone?
it is because it leads to poor money management
How many repub candidates are suggesting an Amendment to ban gay marriage? That's discrimination/hate for one class of citizens. Is anyone saying they are violating the Constitution?
they're probably good money managers though
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 07:14 PM
it is because it leads to poor money management
kinda makes sense....attending all those hate meetings keeps people from worrying about their investments.
...and what in his finances says he's bad with money? That he hasn't parlayed his salary into a vast fortune?
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/04/30/17261/12-things-know-about-bernie-sanders
Sanders’ estimated net worth, $330,507, makes him one of the nation’s poorest senators, according (http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/summary.php?cid=N00000528&year=2013) to the Center for Responsive Politics.SHARE THIS: [/URL]
Sanders — despite his big-money-in-politics opposition — is supported by a[URL="http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/638/15950841638/15950841638.pdf"]super PAC (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.publicintegrity.org%2F2 015%2F04%2F30%2F17261%2F12-things-know-about-bernie-sanders&text=Sanders%E2%80%99%20estimated%20net%20worth%2C %20%24330%2C507%2C%20makes%20him%20one%20of%20the% 20nation%E2%80%99s%20poorest%20senators&related=Publici) calling itself Ready for Bernie Sanders 2016. Perhaps appropriately, the super PAC hasn’t reported raising any money yet.
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 07:17 PM
Trump brags he has raised no money too. What's the point?
where is that in the constitution, bobo?
See the General Welfare clause along with those devoted to equality for all.
Trump brags he has raised no money too. What's the point?
Boy, don't you wish I was still a Democrat to back up your claims?
We are examining Sanders finances here on this topic.
See the General Welfare clause along with those devoted to equality for all.
i've seen it.
it's not there
maybe you're confusing it with the board of realtors, again
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 07:26 PM
Boy, don't you wish I was still a Democrat to back up your claims?
We are examining Sanders finances here on this topic.
you brought up campaign finances.....its part of the discussion.
How many repub candidates are suggesting an Amendment to ban gay marriage? That's discrimination/hate for one class of citizens. Is anyone saying they are violating the Constitution?
Here is the thing here, that is not hate for a group. It means Marriage means what it has, not merely in the USA, but globally for mankinds first marriage.
The question you may ask is why did man create marriage in the first place.
It was due to children of the women. They were granted rights in the parents marriage.
Marriage was not so Charles could get a evening in bed with Ted for sexual activities.
you brought up campaign finances.....its part of the discussion.
Sanders finances are under the light of day. Topic title. Others keep diverting.
i've seen it.
it's not there
maybe you're confusing it with the board of realtors, again
If you ask about the Constitution, it is incumbent on you to actually know what the entire document says.
If you ask about the Constitution, it is incumbent on you to actually know what the entire document says.
and if you make up bullshit about someone's money managing skills, you should do the same, except you're completely incapable.
do you still feed yourself?
How many repub candidates are suggesting an Amendment to ban gay marriage? That's discrimination/hate for one class of citizens. Is anyone saying they are violating the Constitution?
Help Del
Are homosexual marriages found in the constitution?
Help Del
Are homosexual marriages found in the constitution?
there's no fixing stupid, bob, so i can't help you.
sorry
and if you make up bullshit about someone's money managing skills, you should do the same, except you're completely incapable.
do you still feed yourself?
Well then, I can depend on you to prove your caustic remarks. I can wait you out.
Funny you should be the person to ask about feeding oneself.
When you suffer such maladie, don't broadcast it. Such a thought never came into my mind.
there's no fixing stupid, bob, so i can't help you.
sorry
Then she can't help you. I tried to get you some help.
maineman
08-10-2015, 07:39 PM
Again, we know his income. Are you saying he is a good money manager? I am not looking at his philosophy of life, just his money management ability.
What I am saying is that accumulating personal wealth and using one's time and energy to find ways to increase one's marginal return on assets and investments is not necessarily something that is a meaningful measure as to one's leadership skills and vision. Some people are not driven by such motivations. Obviously, you are. Are you really a wealthy man, Bob? Have you turned your sow's ear into a silk purse? What has been the marginal rate of return on YOUR investment portfolio over the long haul? Is that really a true measure of what sort of man you are? Is that how you would chose to be remembered? For the way you managed your money? Is that the imprint you want to leave on this earth to remind us all of your presence here for your brief trips around the sun once you're dust again?
I feel sorry for you. I really really do.
What I am saying is that accumulating personal wealth and using one's time and energy to find ways to increase one's marginal return on assets and investments is not necessarily something that is a meaningful measure as to one's leadership skills and vision. Some people are not driven by such motivations. Obviously, you are. Are you really a wealthy man, Bob? Have you turned your sow's ear into a silk purse? What has been the marginal rate of return on YOUR investment portfolio over the long haul? Is that really a true measure of what sort of man you are? Is that how you would chose to be remembered? For the way you managed your money? Is that the imprint you want to leave on this earth to remind us all of your presence here for your brief trips around the sun once you're dust again?
I feel sorry for you. I really really do.
Well, you sure created fiction about me.
Don't feel so sorry for me. I am not running to be president. Sanders is. Don't fear the shining of light on the man. I picked out finances this time. I have more than this to focus on.
maybe in your own way, you want me to get after him for other reasons connected to Sanders.
Course you may just be trying to divert the topic.
maineman
08-10-2015, 07:53 PM
Well, you sure created fiction about me.
Don't feel so sorry for me. I am not running to be president. Sanders is. Don't fear the shining of light on the man. I picked out finances this time. I have more than this to focus on.
maybe in your own way, you want me to get after him for other reasons connected to Sanders.
Course you may just be trying to divert the topic.
I am suggesting that there are some very good people in this country who are blessed with a great deal of leadership, charisma, and vision that do NOT give a rat's ass about "managing their money" in order to maximize their personal wealth. You seem to feel that personal wealth management is a skill that is critical for presidential leadership. I disagree. I have always felt, in my own personal life, that I would much rather make a DIFFERENCE than make a lot of MONEY. I completely understand that Bernie might very well have the same motivation, and, unlike you, I applaud him for it. That makes him MORE attractive as a presidential candidate, from MY perspective.
PolWatch
08-10-2015, 07:59 PM
Some people do equate wealth with human value. Maybe there are now coffin's with trailer hitches....people can tow their possessions to the grave with them. He who dies with the most toys, wins!
I am suggesting that there are some very good people in this country who are blessed with a great deal of leadership, charisma, and vision that do NOT give a rat's ass about "managing their money" in order to maximize their personal wealth. You seem to feel that personal wealth management is a skill that is critical for presidential leadership. I disagree. I have always felt, in my own personal life, that I would much rather make a DIFFERENCE than make a lot of MONEY. I completely understand that Bernie might very well have the same motivation, and, unlike you, I applaud him for it. That makes him MORE attractive as a presidential candidate, from MY perspective.
You have every right to vote for a piss poor money manager.
Common
08-10-2015, 08:23 PM
I disagree with many of his politics, but he's an honest, principled man, and what the fuck, it's not like Hilary Clinton or Jeb Bush would spend any less money than he would, he's a lot better on civil rights too. Sign me up, I'm on his bandwagon for now unless Trump wows the shit out of me or Rand can show that he's not a wish washy flake.
Hes more honest that the lionshare of them out there. I think he goes to far with some of his ideals but respecting his honesty and liking his policy is two different things
You have every right to vote for a piss poor money manager.
he's not a trump guy.
Some people do equate wealth with human value. Maybe there are now coffin's with trailer hitches....people can tow their possessions to the grave with them. He who dies with the most toys, wins!
That is not even the topic. Really folks, Sanders can't be held to account for his own life?
The rest get to be held accountable. Why not Sanders?
Some here upset should take a shot proving Sanders is a good money manager. This is government 101 to be good at major management skills. His sucks is my claim.
This is not philosophy 101. Even Trump's management gets called to account over the bankruptcy issue. Is Sanders made of Teflon or what? At least Trump can prove he has managed money very well.
That is not even the topic. Really folks, Sanders can't be held to account for his own life?
The rest get to be held accountable. Why not Sanders?
Some here upset should take a shot proving Sanders is a good money manager. This is government 101 to be good at major management skills. His sucks is my claim.
This is not philosophy 101. Even Trump's management gets called to account over the bankruptcy issue. Is Sanders made of Teflon or what? At least Trump can prove he has managed money very well.
and you haven't proven shit.
you think if you repeat it often enough, we'll all believe you.
news flash- it ain't working, bobo
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 08:32 PM
Quite frankly, this thread only strengthens my support for Sanders. If people with Bob's mindset are opposed to Sanders, then supporting Sanders becomes a vital necessity.
Hes more honest that the lionshare of them out there. I think he goes to far with some of his ideals but respecting his honesty and liking his policy is two different things
Sanders teaches theft. How can an honest man teach theft?
Quite frankly, this thread only strengthens my support for Sanders. If people with Bob's mindset are opposed to Sanders, then supporting Sanders becomes a vital necessity.
So what? You endorse dishonest people. I do not. But I don't control you. And you blurted out the other day our votes don't matter anyway.
Common
08-10-2015, 08:38 PM
So what? You endorse dishonest people. I do not. But I don't control you. And you blurted out the other day our votes don't matter anyway.
He doesnt agree with your assessment bob, he doesnt have to does he ?. Not everyone sees things alike.
and you haven't proven shit.
you think if you repeat it often enough, we'll all believe you.
news flash- it ain't working, bobo
Right there. You have not proven shit.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 08:40 PM
So what? You endorse dishonest people. I do not.
Yes, you do, Bob. You endorse dishonest people all the time. I don't. Sanders isn't dishonest. You stretch and misuse the meaning of the word "dishonest" in order to color Sanders as dishonest. THAT is dishonest.
And you blurted out the other day our votes don't matter anyway.
Because they don't. Our votes don't elect presidents.
He doesnt agree with your assessment bob, he doesnt have to does he ?. Not everyone sees things alike.
I don't mind what he says. I won't be there to teach him and lord knows he won't pay attention to anybody but himself.
This is not about me or him.
Why not discuss a reason to vote for a loser who can't manage his own affairs well at all?
Yes, you do, Bob. You endorse dishonest people all the time. I don't. Sanders isn't dishonest. You stretch and misuse the meaning of the word "dishonest" in order to color Sanders as dishonest. THAT is dishonest.
Because they don't. Our votes don't elect presidents.
I never endorse dishonesty. I could back Sanders if i endorsed dishonesty.
Common
08-10-2015, 08:43 PM
I don't mind what he says. I won't be there to teach him and lord knows he won't pay attention to anybody but himself.
This is not about me or him.
Why not discuss a reason to vote for a loser who can't manage his own affairs well at all?
I could ask you why should I vote for a Scott Walker who is bought and paid for and known to be bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers ?
ALL candidates have baggage I am of the believe Sanders has less negatives than most all the others.
Green Arrow
08-10-2015, 08:43 PM
I never endorse dishonesty. I could back Sanders if i endorsed dishonesty.
You back Trump. Trump is dishonest. You back Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush is dishonest.
You back Trump. Trump is dishonest. You back Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush is dishonest.
Give it a go. Prove what you said.
Sanders teaches theft. How can an honest man teach theft?
way to double down on the stupid, bob
I could ask you why should I vote for a Scott Walker who is bought and paid for and known to be bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers ?
ALL candidates have baggage I am of the believe Sanders has less negatives than most all the others.
Can you prove your claims? Back when you were a cop, surely you wanted proof.
Sanders theft is huge. He wants to steal from particular people who are completely innocent.
Can you prove your claims? Back when you were a cop, surely you wanted proof.
Sanders theft is huge. He wants to steal from particular people who are completely innocent.
prove it, bobo
so far you've flapped your gums and proven nothing
lol
He doesnt agree with your assessment bob, he doesnt have to does he ?. Not everyone sees things alike.
Thank you. Flip that around and see him as being wrong.
maineman
08-11-2015, 06:17 AM
You have every right to vote for a piss poor money manager.
and here I thought we were voting for President!
PolWatch
08-11-2015, 06:26 AM
Trump has admitted on national TV that he buys influence by political donations and you say he is honest? Partisan morality anyone.....the "r" makes it all different?
Ransom
08-11-2015, 06:26 AM
and here I thought we were voting for President!
That 'steam train' slowing down, Lance?
:biglaugh:
Changing member's name deliberately is posting in bad faith.
Ransom
08-11-2015, 06:28 AM
Trump has admitted on national TV that he buys influence by political donations and you say he is honest? Partisan morality anyone.....the "r" makes it all different?
While your candidate takes those donations, claims honesty, and ewe herd right up to vote for her?
Honesty indeed. Oops.
maineman
08-11-2015, 07:12 AM
That 'steam train' slowing down?
:biglaugh:
Hillary? It doesn't look like it. I still think she's got a lock on it. She outpolls all the other democratic candidates, including Bernie, and she still beats every GOP clown in national polls, Ratscum.
Changing member's name deliberately is posting in bad faith.
PolWatch
08-11-2015, 07:21 AM
While your candidate takes those donations, claims honesty, and ewe herd right up to vote for her?
Honesty indeed. Oops.
You really need to find a hill so you can see over your flock. I've been vocal that I don't support Clinton....but of course, those in the herd only see what they expect to see. Don't you ever get tired of seeing nothing but the sheep butt in front of you? Try not to be too confused when they are all sheared and appear changed. They will always be your same, familiar herd.
and here I thought we were voting for President!
They submit budgets.
maineman
08-11-2015, 11:06 AM
They submit budgets.
again.... personal wealth acquisition is irrelevant. But you knew that.
Bernie Sanders would rather make a DIFFERENCE than spend his time increasing the size of his personal portfolio.
Is making money your raison d'être, Bob?
again.... personal wealth acquisition is irrelevant. But you knew that.
Bernie Sanders would rather make a DIFFERENCE than spend his time increasing the size of his personal portfolio.
Is making money your raison d'être, Bob?
I am not pulling for Sanders to get rich. He controls that. That is my point. The man rakes in a million dollars per 6 year cycle. And has for a long time. But he can't manage well enough to save much of what he gets.
When I run for president, they you can make it about me.
magicmike
08-11-2015, 11:26 AM
I am not pulling for Sanders to get rich. He controls that. That is my point. The man rakes in a million dollars per 6 year cycle. And has for a long time. But he can't manage well enough to save much of what he gets.
When I run for president, they you can make it about me.
Where do you get Sanders mismanaged his money? In an email?
I like that Bernie doesn't have the billions the other candidates do. In fact, he's one of the least moneyed in Congress.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/08/421151627/sanders-among-the-least-wealthy-presidential-candidates
Where do you get Sanders mismanaged his money? In an email?
I like that Bernie doesn't have the billions the other candidates do. In fact, he's one of the least moneyed in Congress.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/08/421151627/sanders-among-the-least-wealthy-presidential-candidates
it is not due to his income. He is so poor, relative to his income, because he is a poor money manager. This is like trying to say the Sun comes up and others demanding proof. It is obvious to those who manage money well Sanders sucks at money management. Why trust a person unable to manage his affairs well at all?
i've got to give bob credit.
when he gets a really stupid idea, he's not afraid to ride it right into the ground
and then some
maineman
08-11-2015, 11:51 AM
it is not due to his income. He is so poor, relative to his income, because he is a poor money manager. This is like trying to say the Sun comes up and others demanding proof. It is obvious to those who manage money well Sanders sucks at money management. Why trust a person unable to manage his affairs well at all?
The bolded sentence is your opinion yet you state it as if it were a fact. Again... you could say that I was a poor beer brewer simply because I do not chose to spend any time brewing my own beer. If personal wealth accumulation is not one of someone's priorities, why should you feel compelled to judge them on that?
The bolded sentence is your opinion yet you state it as if it were a fact. Again... you could say that I was a poor beer brewer simply because I do not chose to spend any time brewing my own beer. If personal wealth accumulation is not one of someone's priorities, why should you feel compelled to judge them on that?
Were he to not run for office, he can do so with no critical thinking done by me. But so long as he has plans to lead the nation, his personal system is important.
i've got to give bob credit.
when he gets a really stupid idea, he's not afraid to ride it right into the ground
and then some
Del, del del del
This forum is not so you can rip into me. I am not the topic. Try talking to topics.
Captain Obvious
08-11-2015, 12:15 PM
i've got to give bob credit.
when he gets a really stupid idea, he's not afraid to ride it right into the ground
and then some
Balls deep
PolWatch
08-11-2015, 12:17 PM
When you prejudge people but don't want to admit that you prejudge them, you need to manufacture an excuse to dislike them.....no matter how silly or thin the excuse
Captain Obvious
08-11-2015, 12:18 PM
When you prejudge people but don't want to admit that you prejudge them, you need to manufacture an excuse to dislike them.....no matter how silly or thin the excuse
This also explains partisan hackery.
maineman
08-11-2015, 12:21 PM
Were he to not run for office, he can do so with no critical thinking done by me. But so long as he has plans to lead the nation, his personal system is important.
So... you believe that personal wealth accumulation needs to be a top priority for your president? the wealthier the candidate, the more qualified the candidate?
Cigar
08-11-2015, 12:25 PM
So... you believe that personal wealth accumulation needs to be a top priority for your president? the wealthier the candidate, the more qualified the candidate?
Notice how Experience takes a backseat this time and Political Correctness :laugh:
So... you believe that personal wealth accumulation needs to be a top priority for your president? the wealthier the candidate, the more qualified the candidate?
So... implies a conclusion. Get back to me when you read my words, not what is on your own mind. That sort of assumption deserves no reply on my part.
maineman
08-11-2015, 01:23 PM
Were he to not run for office, he can do so with no critical thinking done by me. But so long as he has plans to lead the nation, his personal system is important.
clearly, your own words show that, for you, personal money management and wealth accumulation IS important.
The Sage of Main Street
08-11-2015, 01:28 PM
and if you make up bull$#@! about someone's money managing skills, you should do the same, except you're completely incapable.
Maybe Sanders lost his money investing in one of Trumpeter's pumped-up flat tire deals.
clearly, your own words show that, for you, personal money management and wealth accumulation IS important.
No, just when he runs for president. Were he running for dogcatcher, no problem for me. His damage would be too small to notice.
maineman
08-11-2015, 01:53 PM
No, just when he runs for president. Were he running for dogcatcher, no problem for me. His damage would be too small to notice.
so... as I said earlier.... wealth accumulation is one of your primary criteria for president. The wealthier, the more qualified in your eyes.
so... as I said earlier.... wealth accumulation is one of your primary criteria for president. The wealthier, the more qualified in your eyes.
You don't get it yet.
maineman
08-11-2015, 03:08 PM
You don't get it yet.
you are blind to the idiotic irrelevancy of your own argument.
you are blind to the idiotic irrelevancy of your own argument.
Not really
So far i am saying something entirely different than you say so you argue with yourself.
maineman
08-11-2015, 04:01 PM
Not really
So far i am saying something entirely different than you say so you argue with yourself.
Are you, or are you not saying that, in your opinion, Bernie's past success at maximizing his own personal wealth is a factor that is important and relevant to discharging the duties of the office of the president? Are you, or are you not suggesting that voters consider that factor when deciding whether or not to vote for him?
magicmike
08-11-2015, 04:02 PM
Not really
So far i am saying something entirely different than you say so you argue with yourself.
You are normally saying something entirely different than you say.
Are you, or are you not saying that, in your opinion, Bernie's past success at maximizing his own personal wealth is a factor that is important and relevant to discharging the duties of the office of the president? Are you, or are you not suggesting that voters consider that factor when deciding whether or not to vote for him?
Test first for you
What exactly do you believe I am saying?
maineman
08-11-2015, 08:35 PM
Test first for you
What exactly do you believe I am saying?
I think you are saying that, because Bernie Sanders has not parlayed his earnings as a Senator into millions more, that, somehow, makes him less capable of being a president. Am I wrong in that?
I think you are saying that, because Bernie Sanders has not parlayed his earnings as a Senator into millions more, that, somehow, makes him less capable of being a president. Am I wrong in that?
Hurray
Well done
Dr. Who
08-11-2015, 09:20 PM
it is not due to his income. He is so poor, relative to his income, because he is a poor money manager. This is like trying to say the Sun comes up and others demanding proof. It is obvious to those who manage money well Sanders sucks at money management. Why trust a person unable to manage his affairs well at all?
How do you know that he's not giving it to charity?
PolWatch
08-11-2015, 09:25 PM
Obviously an elected representative should have not spent his time & effort representing those who elected him. He should have spent this time investing & taking bribes (from Trump perhaps?). If he operated like most politicians he would be a millionaire by now.
The fact that he opted to concentrate on representing his constituents instead of making money is more admirable than skill in rooking the public for more money.....to me at least. I guess it depends on what traits we admire and which we view with distrust.
How do you know that he's not giving it to charity?
I have been asked that before. What gives you that idea? How much of $174,000 would you expect him to give away?
How many $80,000 speedboats does Bernie have? :D
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html?ref=politics&_r=1
Cigar
08-12-2015, 10:28 AM
How many $80,000 speedboats does Bernie have? :D
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html?ref=politics&_r=1
Wait, the Right Love Elites Now. :D
maineman
08-12-2015, 11:44 AM
Hurray
Well donewhy, if someone is making a comfortable living, should they feel compelled to spend their time, talent, and energy parlaying their earnings into more earnings in excess of what they want and need to be happy? What about such a compulsion is "presidential"?
PolWatch
08-12-2015, 12:14 PM
How many $80,000 speedboats does Bernie have? :D
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html?ref=politics&_r=1
Selling an investment house for less than he paid, nearly losing it to foreclosure while buying an $80,000 boat? Unpaid government fees? His inability to handle his own finances proves he should never be considered for president....right Bob?
maineman
08-12-2015, 12:37 PM
Oh, no doubt about it. Rubio is CERTAINLY un-presidential by Bob's standards.
gamewell45
08-12-2015, 12:45 PM
Sure, he is a poor manager. Surely you try once in a while to look at property values, or stocks and other investments.
Bob, for the sake of the debate, hypothetically if Sanders net worth went up by 60% in 2016, would your opinion of his money management skills change for the better?
why, if someone is making a comfortable living, should they feel compelled to spend their time, talent, and energy parlaying their earnings into more earnings in excess of what they want and need to be happy? What about such a compulsion is "presidential"?
Good question. Somebody put him out of his misery and shout out an answer.
Bob, for the sake of the debate, hypothetically if Sanders net worth went up by 60% in 2016, would your opinion of his money management skills change for the better?
Sure enough. That is a huge increase in one year.
Common Sense
08-12-2015, 04:57 PM
Good question. Somebody put him out of his misery and shout out an answer.
I think he asked you that question.
Oh, no doubt about it. Rubio is CERTAINLY un-presidential by Bob's standards.
I don't know what that means. What is unpresidential when a person is not the president?
I think he asked you that question.
I punt. Your ball.
Common Sense
08-12-2015, 05:00 PM
I punt. Your ball.
You can just say "I can't answer that question posed to me".
He didn't ask me.
magicmike
08-12-2015, 05:03 PM
Selling an investment house for less than he paid, nearly losing it to foreclosure while buying an $80,000 boat? Unpaid government fees? His inability to handle his own finances proves he should never be considered for president....right Bob?
Wait until the David Rivera tryst gets out.
Selling an investment house for less than he paid, nearly losing it to foreclosure while buying an $80,000 boat? Unpaid government fees? His inability to handle his own finances proves he should never be considered for president....right Bob?
I am not considering him to be president. I follow my own advice.
See, it is fair game to go after a candidates inability to properly manage money. Now will the Democrats stop whining?
You can just say "I can't answer that question posed to me".
He didn't ask me.
Thanks for your permission.
Common Sense
08-12-2015, 05:11 PM
Thanks for your permission.
Yeah, no problem.
How many $80,000 speedboats does Bernie have? :D
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html?ref=politics&_r=1
How many times has Bernie Sanders earned $800,000 in one earning cycle?
maineman
08-12-2015, 08:47 PM
Good question. Somebody put him out of his misery and shout out an answer.
Because you, it would seen, are incapable of answering me. Coward.
Chris
08-13-2015, 07:20 AM
Don't call members names. And stop talking about talking. Address topic.
We will examine the finances, to the extent possible, of Bernie Sanders.
Add up his salary for a 6 year term in office. WOW Over a million dollars per 6 years.
I realize he pays income taxes, but a smart person can parlay this income into the tens of millions given his long era of being a senator.
The guy is a dud.
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Wait. You're complaining about him because he ISN'T feathering how own nest with corrupt practices? Really?
Selling an investment house for less than he paid, nearly losing it to foreclosure while buying an $80,000 boat? Unpaid government fees? His inability to handle his own finances proves he should never be considered for president....right Bob?
Bob will focus on the fact that at 175 grand a year, Bernie should have been a billionaire by now. ;-)
maineman
08-13-2015, 08:48 AM
why, if someone is making a comfortable living, should they feel compelled to spend their time, talent, and energy parlaying their earnings into more earnings in excess of what they want and need to be happy? What about such a compulsion is "presidential"?
waiting for Bob to answer this question.
what if some people find activities other than maximizing their wealth to be more important in their lives? Does that fact disqualify them for the presidency in your eyes?
Ransom
08-13-2015, 09:26 AM
How many repub candidates are suggesting an Amendment to ban gay marriage? That's discrimination/hate for one class of citizens. Is anyone saying they are violating the Constitution?
Is it?
How does that mean he is bad at managing money?
Agreed. Take it from someone who had a successful career in accounting: net worth, and changes in net worth, has diddly squat to do with ability to manage money.
Changes in net worth are snapshots, and say nothing about the reasons for the change in net worth.
Bob is trolling again. This whole thread is a non-issue.
Wait. You're complaining about him because he ISN'T feathering how own nest with corrupt practices? Really?
No...
Agreed. Take it from someone who had a successful career in accounting: net worth, and changes in net worth, has diddly squat to do with ability to manage money.
Changes in net worth are snapshots, and say nothing about the reasons for the change in net worth.
Bob is trolling again. This whole thread is a non-issue.
I don't troll.
Ever heard of Warren Buffett? HE knows money management.
waiting for Bob to answer this question.
what if some people find activities other than maximizing their wealth to be more important in their lives? Does that fact disqualify them for the presidency in your eyes?
I thought I told you that is fine with me. There are many reasons why Sanders is not qualified. Money management but one of them.
clearly, your own words show that, for you, personal money management and wealth accumulation IS important.
Thank you.
maineman
08-13-2015, 06:24 PM
Thank you.
so... you feel that having personal wealth accumulation as one's top priority is important for our chief executive. You must be a Trump fan. If such a metric is so important for you, why not just vote for the candidate with the highest personal net worth, regardless of their political philosophy?
so... you feel that having personal wealth accumulation as one's top priority is important for our chief executive. You must be a Trump fan. If such a metric is so important for you, why not just vote for the candidate with the highest personal net worth, regardless of their political philosophy?
Are you trying to make it seem there is something wrong with a potential president being a good manager?
maineman
08-13-2015, 10:52 PM
Are you trying to make it seem there is something wrong with a potential president being a good manager?
Not at all. Are you always so much of a pussy that you can't just answer a simple fucking question???
Not at all. Are you always so much of a $#@! that you can't just answer a simple $#@!ing question???
http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/types-of-troll-youll-meet-on-the-internet#.yfYq4JBX6
See number 4.
Not at all. Are you always so much of a pussy that you can't just answer a simple fucking question???
Not at all.
maineman
08-14-2015, 08:45 AM
try again then:
so... you feel that having personal wealth accumulation as one's top priority is important for our chief executive. You must be a Trump fan. If such a metric is so important for you, why not just vote for the candidate with the highest personal net worth, regardless of their political philosophy?
deciding to NOT concentrate on some activity in life - like maximizing one's wealth, for example - does not equate to being "bad" at that activity.
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