I didn't know Trump levied a Birther charge against Cruz

[exotix]

Trump brings birther charge against Cruz


March 23, 2015, 04:17 pm

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236651-trump-cruz-faces-hurdle-for-canadian-birthplace


Real estate tycoon Donald Trump cast doubt Monday on whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) can run for president, because Cruz was born in Canada.
"It’s a hurdle; somebody could certainly look at it very seriously," Trump said during a phone interview Monday on My Fox New York. (http://www.myfoxny.com/clip/11264905/donald-trump)

"He was born in Canada.
If you know and when we all studied our history lessons, you are supposed to be born in this country, so I just don't know how the courts will rule on this."



http://thedailyedge.net/images/2013/08/WP_Trump_082013_v2.jpg

[Ethereal]

I didn't know...

There's a lot of things you didn't know.

[exotix]

I didn't know... There's a lot of things you didn't know.You didn't know either until I mentioned it .. I know this because usually you have some bizarre bashfest response instead of a one-liner-larry ... LOL

[Mac-7]

If Cruz wins the nomination I will support him 100%.

And the same with Trump.

[exotix]

If Cruz wins the nomination I will support him 100%.

And the same with Trump.TED CRUZ IS STALKING DONALD TRUMP

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/ted-cruz-is-stalking-donald-trump-20150827

The Texas Republican believes that when (not if) Trump falters, he'll absorb the current front-runner's followers.

[Mac-7]

TED CRUZ IS STALKING DONALD TRUMP

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/ted-cruz-is-stalking-donald-trump-20150827

The Texas Republican believes that when (not if) Trump falters, he'll absorb the current front-runner's followers.

Either one would be a better president than socialists in the democrat party.

[exotix]

Either one would be a better president than socialists in the democrat party.Cruz was born a socialist/communist so I'm not see'ng how you can say that ... LOL

[The Sage of Main Street]

TED CRUZ IS STALKING DONALD TRUMP

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/ted-cruz-is-stalking-donald-trump-20150827

The Texas Republican believes that when (not if) Trump falters, he'll absorb the current front-runner's followers. Thugface Teddy couldn't even stand up to Missy Megyn; Trump will peel him like a banana from Havana.

[texan]

I have know for a few years researched it and know he can run. End of story with the exception that Trump is continuing to push the media envelope.

[nic34]

You mean Joe McCarthy reincarnate?

http://cdn.newsbusters.org/images/2013/April/Cruz%20McCarthy%20423.png

[del]

he's almost as popular with hispanics as trump.

he'll be doing the perp walk sooner or later

[Adelaide]

His being born in Canada is rather irrelevant given that he meets the requirements to run for president. Trump is just being his usual asshole self. Doesn't matter that his verbal garbage is not accurate, so long as he is free to spout that garbage as much as he'd like then he is going to do so.

[Howey]

Trump is doing what other republican candidates have done. Put out a little misinformation and let it take off.

Eventually he'll say he was kidding or was misquoted but by then we'll be on a new lie.

[exotix]

... and then we have this ..



Trump: Don't know why I'm meeting Ted Cruz

7/15/15 7:43 AM EDT

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-meet-ted-cruz-2016-120138.html#ixzz3k2ukUvOD

Donald Trump is meeting with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in Manhattan on Wednesday, though he claimed in an interview on MSNBC that he does not know why.

“Ted Cruz called me.
And I don’t know why I’m meeting him, to be honest, but I do have respect for him,” Trump said on “Morning Joe” in a wide-ranging interview in which the Republican presidential contender commented on issues foreign, domestic and everything in between.



Ted Cruz and Donald Trump might campaign together

August 19, 2015 2:07 pm

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/ted-cruz-and-donald-trump-might-campaign-together.html/

WASHINGTON–Sen. Ted Cruz caused a stir when he met in July with Donald Trump. But the two could be making a joint campaign appearance soon, according to The Daily Beast. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/ted-cruz-s-secret-trump-strategy.html)

The two Republican presidential candidates’ campaigns discussed holding an event together in Washington, D.C., and Trump invited Cruz on his trip to the border, a Trump insider told the website.

2016 Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz met July 15, 2015 at Trump Tower in New York City. Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said they had a “very friendly” meeting about a wide variety of topics.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/files/2015/07/Screenshot-7.png

[Cigar]

Trump brings birther charge against Cruz


March 23, 2015, 04:17 pm

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236651-trump-cruz-faces-hurdle-for-canadian-birthplace


Real estate tycoon Donald Trump cast doubt Monday on whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) can run for president, because Cruz was born in Canada.
"It’s a hurdle; somebody could certainly look at it very seriously," Trump said during a phone interview Monday on My Fox New York. (http://www.myfoxny.com/clip/11264905/donald-trump)

"He was born in Canada.
If you know and when we all studied our history lessons, you are supposed to be born in this country, so I just don't know how the courts will rule on this."



http://thedailyedge.net/images/2013/08/WP_Trump_082013_v2.jpg

A Moron (Trump) calling and Idiot (Cruz) = a Spy :laugh:

[Tahuyaman]

Cruz was born a socialist/communist so I'm not see'ng how you can say that ... LOL

does Cruz know that he was a communist at birth?

[Tahuyaman]

A Moron (Trump) calling and Idiot (Cruz) = a Spy :laugh:

if Trump is a moron and Cruz is an idiot, what does that make you? Who would have ever thought that an idiot could graduate cum laude from Princeton and clerk for a Supreme Court justice.

[exotix]

if Trump is a moron and Cruz is an idiot, what does that make you? Who would have ever thought that an idiot could graduate cum laude from Princeton and clerk for a Supreme Court justice.Easy ... one has never had a job in Big Govt. and the other has never had a job outside Big Govt ... LOL

[Tahuyaman]

Easy ... one has never had a job in Big Govt. and the other has never had a job outside Big Govt ... LOL

Say what?

[del]

Easy ... one has never had a job in Big Govt. and the other has never had a job outside Big Govt ... LOL

actually, tailgunner ted worked a whole year in the dreaded private sector before he fastened himself to the govt payroll like a remora.

[exotix]

actually, tailgunner ted worked a whole year in the dreaded private sector before he fastened himself to the govt payroll like a remora.

That's more like a plecostomus ... LOL

http://img05.deviantart.net/7d65/i/2009/186/c/f/meh_plecostomus_by_draconiclight831.jpg

[Howey]

... and then we have this ..



Trump: Don't know why I'm meeting Ted Cruz

7/15/15 7:43 AM EDT

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-meet-ted-cruz-2016-120138.html#ixzz3k2ukUvOD

Donald Trump is meeting with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in Manhattan on Wednesday, though he claimed in an interview on MSNBC that he does not know why.

“Ted Cruz called me.
And I don’t know why I’m meeting him, to be honest, but I do have respect for him,” Trump said on “Morning Joe” in a wide-ranging interview in which the Republican presidential contender commented on issues foreign, domestic and everything in between.



Ted Cruz and Donald Trump might campaign together

August 19, 2015 2:07 pm

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/ted-cruz-and-donald-trump-might-campaign-together.html/

WASHINGTON–Sen. Ted Cruz caused a stir when he met in July with Donald Trump. But the two could be making a joint campaign appearance soon, according to The Daily Beast. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/ted-cruz-s-secret-trump-strategy.html)

The two Republican presidential candidates’ campaigns discussed holding an event together in Washington, D.C., and Trump invited Cruz on his trip to the border, a Trump insider told the website.

2016 Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz met July 15, 2015 at Trump Tower in New York City. Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said they had a “very friendly” meeting about a wide variety of topics.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/files/2015/07/Screenshot-7.png

Good Lord. Where did Cruz get that suit? Goodwill?

[Redrose]

Obama's questionable birth country and lack of definitive proof, has destroyed the citizenship requirement. By not vetting Obama properly and thoroughly, we have lowered the bar for all future candidates.

Wait until Mohammad Azul el Habib wants to be prez. We'll be wishing it was just a Canadian birth we were dealing with.

PS
Cruz is a legal citizen, his parents were working in Canada when he was born and they were US citizens.

[exotix]

Obama's questionable birth country and lack of definitive proof, has destroyed the citizenship requirement. By not vetting Obama properly and thoroughly, we have lowered the bar for all future candidates.

Wait until Mohammad Azul el Habib wants to be prez. We'll be wishing it was just a Canadian birth we were dealing with.

PS
Cruz is a legal citizen, his parents were working in Canada when he was born and they were US citizens.Who actually saw Cruz's birth in Canada ?

[The Sage of Main Street]

That's more like a plecostomus ... LOL

http://img05.deviantart.net/7d65/i/2009/186/c/f/meh_plecostomus_by_draconiclight831.jpg That looks more like a Texas high-school cheerleader in the locker room after the game.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Obama's questionable birth country and lack of definitive proof, has destroyed the citizenship requirement. By not vetting Obama properly and thoroughly, we have lowered the bar for all future candidates.


If it's ever proved that Obama wasn't born in the United States, the Supreme Court will rule that any baby born that has a US citizen parent is automatically a citizen no matter where it is born. It is also eligible to be President, just like Canooky Cruz. They will declare that the birthright citizenship law at the time, which didn't make his mother eligible because she needed another year's residence in the US, was unConstitutional.

[Adelaide]

Obama's questionable birth country and lack of definitive proof, has destroyed the citizenship requirement. By not vetting Obama properly and thoroughly, we have lowered the bar for all future candidates.

Wait until Mohammad Azul el Habib wants to be prez. We'll be wishing it was just a Canadian birth we were dealing with.

PS
Cruz is a legal citizen, his parents were working in Canada when he was born and they were US citizens.

Do you really believe that Obama is not an American, or born American? I associate that viewpoint with the insane, which you most certainly are not. I'm surprised if that is genuinely what you believe on the issue.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Who actually saw Cruz's birth in Canada ? Rick Moranis of the McKenzie Brothers. He was drunk at the time, but the law in Canada is that drunks are more reliable witnesses than sober people.

[birddog]

Do you really believe that Obama is not an American, or born American? I associate that viewpoint with the insane, which you most certainly are not. I'm surprised if that is genuinely what you believe on the issue.

I associate that viewpoint with an honest, common sense person, one who is not gullible for PC purposes. I guess you don't qualify.

What real proof has Obama given that he is qualified to be president by birth?

[Redrose]

Who actually saw Cruz's birth in Canada ?


Keep up that line of questioning and we may actually find out Obama was really born in a grass hut in Kenya.

[Redrose]

Do you really believe that Obama is not an American, or born American? I associate that viewpoint with the insane, which you most certainly are not. I'm surprised if that is genuinely what you believe on the issue.
Adelaide

We all have birth certificates, all of us. Just look back in your own life and recall how many times you have had to present it. I can recall at least 7 or 8 times myself. It's not a problem, no issue.

Barack Obama ran for president, he knew full well what the requirements are. Providing the birth certificate is a relatively basic, minor part of the process, yet he delayed, avoided, protested, made excuses and then flat out refused. Ask yourself why?

The Certificate of live birth is not the same thing and proves nothing.

Those of us who feel he was hiding something that would prevent him from being eligible to be president realize people only hide unfavorable things in their past, we never hide things that would benefit us, especially when running for president and even more when being a narcissist. Many of his and Michelle's records were sealed. WHY?

It's one of two possibilities, he was either born in Hawaii and is a lagal citizen, then his college applications are fraudulent since he registered as a foreign student to gain those benefits.

The other is he is not a natural born legal citizen and his college applications are legit.

Either way he is not eligible, by not being a legal citizen at birth or being guilty of fraud on a federal application. Both would eleminate him from being qualified to be president.

He was not vetted properly, at the mear mention of his birthright, questioners were shut down as racists.

The precedent that was created has lowered the bar for all future candidates. How can we vett them properly and thoroughly when Obama was allowed to skirt by? We can't say it was because of his skin tone. The process should be equal and fair to all.

My issue is the left apparently has no problem with how the Obama's manipulated the qualification process, but they have serious heartburn with anyone on the right and what they perceive as a disqualification.

It's nonsense.

[Adelaide]

@Adelaide (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=473)

We all have birth certificates, all of us. Just look back in your own life and recall how many times you have had to present it. I can recall at least 7 or 8 times myself. It's not a problem, no issue.

Barack Obama ran for president, he knew full well what the requirements are. Providing the birth certificate is a relatively basic, minor part of the process, yet he delayed, avoided, protested, made excuses and then flat out refused. Ask yourself why?

The Certificate of live birth is not the same thing and proves nothing.

Those of us who feel he was hiding something that would prevent him from being eligible to be president realize people only hide unfavorable things in their past, we never hide things that would benefit us, especially when running for president and even more when being a narcissist. Many of his and Michelle's records were sealed. WHY?

It's one of two possibilities, he was either born in Hawaii and is a lagal citizen, then his college applications are fraudulent since he registered as a foreign student to gain those benefits.

The other is he is not a natural born legal citizen and his college applications are legit.

Either way he is not eligible, by not being a legal citizen at birth or being guilty of fraud on a federal application. Both would eleminate him from being qualified to be president.

He was not vetted properly, at the mear mention of his birthright, questioners were shut down as racists.

The precedent that was created has lowered the bar for all future candidates. How can we vett them properly and thoroughly when Obama was allowed to skirt by? We can't say it was because of his skin tone. The process should be equal and fair to all.

My issue is the left apparently has no problem with how the Obama's manipulated the qualification process, but they have serious heartburn with anyone on the right and what they perceive as a disqualification.

It's nonsense.

I appreciate your explanation on your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. I can kind of understand why some might be skeptical but I still think don't think it is enough to deny his country of birth/citizenship.

[Redrose]

I appreciate your explanation on your beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. I can kind of understand why some might be skeptical but I still think don't think it is enough to deny his country of birth/citizenship.


Can you think of any good reason to hide that document? I can't.

It's a moot point now, water under the bridge so to speak. My concerns are what I stated above, it lowers the bar, it basically eliminates that citizenship requirement from the process which can expose my beloved country to people who could become president without a dedicated love and devotion to this nation because they were not born and raised here and want to hurt this nation. I say President Obama has already done that. He blames the USA for all of the world's ills. He has hurt our reputation worldwide and has divided us on multiple levels internally. He is divissive, he's not a uniter. He has weakened us. He treats our enemies better than he treats our allies. He repeatedly said he was "a child of the world" with his international upbringing and education. He sees the USA with a "foreign" eye from the outside not like a homegrown president. He is the most "un-American" president we have ever had IMO and I will stand on my opinion we need to better vett these candidates properly and not be shackled by color, gender or religion, so we don't get another "child of the world" as our president who was mentored by communists and America haters.

[nic34]

... and then we have this ..



Trump: Don't know why I'm meeting Ted Cruz

7/15/15 7:43 AM EDT

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-meet-ted-cruz-2016-120138.html#ixzz3k2ukUvOD

Donald Trump is meeting with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in Manhattan on Wednesday, though he claimed in an interview on MSNBC that he does not know why.

“Ted Cruz called me.
And I don’t know why I’m meeting him, to be honest, but I do have respect for him,” Trump said on “Morning Joe” in a wide-ranging interview in which the Republican presidential contender commented on issues foreign, domestic and everything in between.



Ted Cruz and Donald Trump might campaign together

August 19, 2015 2:07 pm

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/ted-cruz-and-donald-trump-might-campaign-together.html/

WASHINGTON–Sen. Ted Cruz caused a stir when he met in July with Donald Trump. But the two could be making a joint campaign appearance soon, according to The Daily Beast. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/ted-cruz-s-secret-trump-strategy.html)

The two Republican presidential candidates’ campaigns discussed holding an event together in Washington, D.C., and Trump invited Cruz on his trip to the border, a Trump insider told the website.

2016 Republican presidential candidates Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz met July 15, 2015 at Trump Tower in New York City. Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said they had a “very friendly” meeting about a wide variety of topics.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/files/2015/07/Screenshot-7.png

Are they looking for a ride?

[nic34]

Can you think of any good reason to hide that document? I can't.

It's a moot point now, water under the bridge so to speak. My concerns are what I stated above, it lowers the bar, it basically eliminates that citizenship requirement from the process which can expose my beloved country to people who could become president without a dedicated love and devotion to this nation because they were not born and raised here and want to hurt this nation. I say President Obama has already done that. He blames the USA for all of the world's ills. He has hurt our reputation worldwide and has divided us on multiple levels internally. He is divissive, he's not a uniter. He has weakened us. He treats our enemies better than he treats our allies. He repeatedly said he was "a child of the world" with his international upbringing and education. He sees the USA with a "foreign" eye from the outside not like a homegrown president. He is the most "un-American" president we have ever had IMO and I will stand on my opinion we need to better vett these candidates properly and not be shackled by color, gender or religion, so we don't get another "child of the world" as our president who was mentored by communists and America haters.
Hey, if Sherif Joe couldn't find anything then there's nothing to fret about. Ask his buddy Steven Segal.

[Howey]

Can you think of any good reason to hide that document? I can't.

It's a moot point now, water under the bridge so to speak. My concerns are what I stated above, it lowers the bar, it basically eliminates that citizenship requirement from the process which can expose my beloved country to people who could become president without a dedicated love and devotion to this nation because they were not born and raised here and want to hurt this nation. I say President Obama has already done that. He blames the USA for all of the world's ills. He has hurt our reputation worldwide and has divided us on multiple levels internally. He is divissive, he's not a uniter. He has weakened us. He treats our enemies better than he treats our allies. He repeatedly said he was "a child of the world" with his international upbringing and education. He sees the USA with a "foreign" eye from the outside not like a homegrown president. He is the most "un-American" president we have ever had IMO and I will stand on my opinion we need to better vett these candidates properly and not be shackled by color, gender or religion, so we don't get another "child of the world" as our president who was mentored by communists and America haters.

C'mon Redrose! Jump off the dumbwagon, willya???

As much as Obama is hated, don't you think by now someone, anyone, somewhere, anywhere would have been able to prove the man wasn't born in Hawaii??????


http://www.politifact.com/subjects/obama-birth-certificate/

Christ on a stick, I'm really wondering what rock these crazies crawled out from under when Obama was elected.

THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE'S BLACK.

[Common Sense]

http://cdn.soundpublishing.com/dailyweekly/BIRTHERS01.jpg

[del]

i remember the uproar over clinton and bush's birth certificate.

oh, wait.....

[birddog]

Some of us would like for Obama to prove he was born in Hawaii. That's not too much to ask considering what he and others in past years have said about him being a Kenyan. That proof has not been given.

The high and mighty people who thinks Obama has proved he was born in Hawaii either have an agenda or are extremely gullible.

Sheriff Joe did not find there was proof he was born in Hawaii, and neither have I.

[del]

Some of us would like for Obama to prove he was born in Hawaii. That's not too much to ask considering what he and others in past years have said about him being a Kenyan. That proof has not been given.

The high and mighty people who thinks Obama has proved he was born in Hawaii either have an agenda or are extremely gullible.

Sheriff Joe did not find there was proof he was born in Hawaii, and neither have I.


god love you

[PolWatch]

I think the birthers are all from another planet...they have fake documents....when they prove they are earthlings, I'll believe they have a legitimate question.

[Redrose]

C'mon @Redrose (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1123)! Jump off the dumbwagon, willya???

As much as Obama is hated, don't you think by now someone, anyone, somewhere, anywhere would have been able to prove the man wasn't born in Hawaii??????


http://www.politifact.com/subjects/obama-birth-certificate/

Christ on a stick, I'm really wondering what rock these crazies crawled out from under when Obama was elected.

THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HE'S BLACK.



C'mon Howey

You tell me why he had records sealed? C'mon give me one good reason. I'm waiting.

As my post stated, either he is a legal citizen born in Hawaii, then his college records are fraudulent.

OR he is not a legal citizen and his college applications are legitimate.

He sealed his records to hide one of those two realities. Either one makes him ineligible to hold that office. He's a fraud and maybe even criminal. Which one is he?

His color may matter to you. Not to me. He's black and white, and still a fraud IMO.

[Common Sense]

C'mon @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387)

You tell me why he had records sealed? C'mon give me one good reason. I'm waiting.

As my post stated, either he is a legal citizen born in Hawaii, then his college records are fraudulent.

OR he is not a legal citizen and his college applications are legitimate.

He sealed his records to hide one of those two realities. Either one makes him ineligible to hold that office. He's a fraud and maybe even criminal. Which one is he?

His color may matter to you. Not to me. He's black and white, and still a fraud IMO.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Nothing was "sealed".

[del]

oops

[Common Sense]

oops

She wont believe it anyway. She believes what she believes.

That perspective is far more appealing to her than the truth.

[Redrose]

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Nothing was "sealed".


You are incorrect about that. That has been established by much greater minds than ours for several years now. Some MSM outlets protected Obama and buried those stories. Typical.

If you truly believe what you say, nothing I say will change your mind. So be it.

[Howey]

Oy...

[birddog]

god love you

I know that he does, and God is with a capital "G." :grin:

[Redrose]

She wont believe it anyway. She believes what she believes.

That perspective is far more appealing to her than the truth.


....and I suppose you know the truth. The truth according to MSNBC? Really now.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I associate that viewpoint with an honest, common sense person, one who is not gullible for PC purposes. I guess you don't qualify.

What real proof has Obama given that he is qualified to be president by birth? His mother was an American citizen. QED.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I think the birthers are all from another planet...they have fake documents....when they prove they are earthlings, I'll believe they have a legitimate question. It's the corresponding absurdity to the multiculties' claim about the legitimacy of anchor babies. Looking at the spinning wheel from the Right, we are told to see that the child of an American isn't necessarily an American.

[birddog]

His mother was an American citizen. QED.

It's a technicality, but still a lawful one, but Obama's mother did not meet the age/residency requirement in effect when he was born. The law was changed, and Cruz's mother did.

[Dr. Who]

Obama's questionable birth country and lack of definitive proof, has destroyed the citizenship requirement. By not vetting Obama properly and thoroughly, we have lowered the bar for all future candidates.

Wait until Mohammad Azul el Habib wants to be prez. We'll be wishing it was just a Canadian birth we were dealing with.

PS
Cruz is a legal citizen, his parents were working in Canada when he was born and they were US citizens.
To be technical, only his mother was a US citizen, his father wasn't, he was still a Cuban citizen.

[Redrose]

It's a technicality, but still a lawful one, but Obama's mother did not meet the age/residency requirement in effect when he was born. The law was changed, and Cruz's mother did.


Don't cloud their delusions with facts, it's a losing battle.

[Dr. Who]

It's a technicality, but still a lawful one, but Obama's mother did not meet the age/residency requirement in effect when he was born. The law was changed, and Cruz's mother did.
So if he were born today, his citizenship is valid, but not then. But he was treated as an American citizen for his whole life. He wasn't required to take the citizenship oath. Very confusing - either you are a citizen or you have to apply to be a citizen. There is no gray area where you are a citizen by blood rite but not eligible to be president because your mother was too young at the time of your birth. That's just weird and inconsistent.

[Peter1469]

The word citizen is not relevant for one person: the president of the US.

For whatever historic reason, our Founders required not just a citizen as president, but rather a natural born citizen. The only use of that term in the Constitution is with the qualifications for president. That is a clue for further thought.

Staring into the distance and drooling on yourself can't get you past the fact that there is a difference between citizen and natural born citizen. But that is hard.

Never mind.

[Redrose]

To be technical, only his mother was a US citizen, his father wasn't, he was still a Cuban citizen.


You only need one.

[Redrose]

I was born in England but I am a natural born citizen. My parents were citizens. I just happened to be born while they were in England visiting family.

I did not have to become a naturalized citizen. I was never a British subject.

Cruz is a natural bron US citizen by his birthright through his mother.

[Dr. Who]

You only need one.
True, but Obama's mother was also a US citizen, yet we split hairs.

[Redrose]

True, but Obama's mother was also a US citizen, yet we split hairs.


True, but Hawaii was a new state, and it's my understanding she did not meet the residency nor age requirement when Obama was born. A technicaliy true, but a technicality nonetheless.

Personally I believe he was born in Hawaii, but he lied on his college applications and took advantage of the foreign student benefits as an Indonesian student under the name Barry Soetero, his adoptive fathers' name, and I believe there has never been proof he legally changed his name back to Obama.

[Dr. Who]

True, but Hawaii was a new state, and it's my understanding she did not meet the residency nor age requirement when Obama was born. A technicaliy true, but a technicality nonetheless.

Personally I believe he was born in Hawaii, but he lied on his college applications and took advantage of the foreign student benefits as an Indonesian student under the name Barry Soetero, his adoptive fathers' name, and I believe there has never been proof he legally changed his name back to Obama.
I have no idea whether he ever legally changed his name. It may well be that he thought he was a foreign student at the time. His mother may have been ignorant of blood rite entitlement to citizenship.

[Redrose]

I have no idea whether he ever legally changed his name. It may well be that he thought he was a foreign student at the time. His mother may have been ignorant of blood rite entitlement to citizenship.


All these questions have been out there about Obama for 7-8 years and have gone nowhere. Whatever.
What's done is done.

Given that, it infuriates me that some of our friends on the left have the audacity to question the citizenship of GOP candidates. That takes balls.

[birddog]

So if he were born today, his citizenship is valid, but not then. But he was treated as an American citizen for his whole life. He wasn't required to take the citizenship oath. Very confusing - either you are a citizen or you have to apply to be a citizen. There is no gray area where you are a citizen by blood rite but not eligible to be president because your mother was too young at the time of your birth. That's just weird and inconsistent.

Knowledge is powerful. Gain some.

[AeonPax]

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[birddog]

There is more proof that Obama was born in Kenya then there is that he was born in Hawaii! Fact! Gullible people and those who are afraid to not be PC disagree.

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's a technicality, but still a lawful one, but Obama's mother did not meet the age/residency requirement in effect when he was born. The law was changed, and Cruz's mother did. The Court will rule that the law limiting Obama's mother's right to give birth to a citizen was unConstitutional. This is a simple-minded issue and will be treated that way.